Simple Yes/No question: Is the value of the entertainment you have received from BTS greater than or equal to the cost of purchasing the game?

For example, if you spent $20 on the game, have you gotten at least $20 of entertainment value from the game?

Yes. By quite a large margin.

Yes, many times over. A first-run move costs as much as the the game (and is all too often less entertaining).

Despite its faults, of which there are disappointingly many, Yes.

Yes, although its ~$90NZ where I live.

Especially multiplayer, I gain much more utility from playing multiplayer 'games' than almost any other form of screen entertainment.

(system shock 2 if you can get it running...Ive had (renounced good boy) mongrelmob children scared of that game)

But I understand the question...Ive brought plenty of titles, even full priced ones, that I curse as sunk costs; leave to grow dust.

Nope,BTS is really a good game indeed but I can't forget about the efforts to make it as it is now,those efforts are called civ vanilla, patches, warlord, patches, BTS, patches, Bhruic job,mainly.

Not to mention all the skilled modders and DJ Anjon for the manual efforts.

I would say that everyone in this community make it a masterpiece,the game alone doesn't scream,its fans deserve great part of BTS success

Yes, although its ~$90NZ where I live.

Especially multiplayer, I gain much more utility from playing multiplayer 'games' than almost any other form of screen entertainment.

(system shock 2 if you can get it running...Ive had (renounced good boy) mongrelmob children scared of that game)

But I understand the question...Ive brought plenty of titles, even full priced ones, that I curse as sunk costs; leave to grow dust.

$90? Dude, I picked up Civ 4 Complete for $70 from a store on Queen St. What part of the country are you in?

Yes - easily - some of the best money I've ever spent.

$90? Dude, I picked up Civ 4 Complete for $70 from a store on Queen St. What part of the country are you in?

I think the $NZ means New Zealand Dollars - only a guess though... Although the poster has given the location "New Zealand", so maby not all that guessy...

To avoid confusing people who use different currencies, lets assume that BTS costs 10:gold: . I put the item, cost, and time of usability on my list

BTS: 10:gold:, 18 months

Movie: 7:gold: , 1-3 hours

Book: 1-15:gold:, 1 week-1month

Halo 3: 30:gold: , 1 year

Your mom: 50:gold: , 30 minutes;)

By and large, strategy games are good values due to their replayability, and BTS is no exception.

Definitely worth more than the cost. Able to spend hours playing a single game. Kept me from studying for many a night...

I think the $NZ means New Zealand Dollars - only a guess though... Although the poster has given the location "New Zealand", so maby not all that guessy...
Er....Seeming that he asked what part of the country the other was in, and also has "Middle Earth" has his location, I'm pretty sure he's from NZ himself.

Yes, for sure, even though I bought both expansions separately.

It's still not quite at the cost/benefit ratio of Starcraft, though. I'm still playing that game....

well...

it stops me studying which could make my degree a class lower and end up with me earning thousands less pounds over the course of my life, and you know, it will still be worth it, lifes here to enjoy and BTS is great fun :)

I think the $NZ means New Zealand Dollars - only a guess though... Although the poster has given the location "New Zealand", so maby not all that guessy...

Yeah, and I am from NZ too, hence my disbelief at it costing $90. And the fact I mentioned Queen St, which is like our version of, um, whatever the main streets of London and New York are...

Only crappier...

(see to the left? Middle Earth? See what I did there? :p )

It's already worth it and I haven't even explored all the different features yet. I'll have to get a WWII game going soon, that one seems really interesting.

Civ4 + expansion packs have probably been best value for money/entertainment i've spend my euros, ever. Even beer doesn't come close :p.

So long as you get the unofficial patch posted here, absolutely.

definately yes.

its on a par with the pro evo's 1 through 8 and FM (formerly CM) 94 through 2008.

no other games have ever touched those 3 in terms of entertainment value and replayability.

CivIV, one of my favorite all time games

I'd say yes, I got in excess of the original $29.00 worth, though it may have taken 3 months of patching and the community's mod efforts.
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Simple Yes/No question: Is the value of the entertainment you have received from BTS greater than or equal to the cost of purchasing the game?

For example, if you spent $20 on the game, have you gotten at least $20 of entertainment value from the game?

Considering the essentially unlimited replay value of Civ 4, yes it is.

If BtS ruined Civ4 for you then I could see why you would disagree, but I think BtS is a good expansion that adds depth and makes the game better.

No, it was not worth it . Due to constant MAFs which i never got before BTS.

If I could get this much entertainment value from every twenty dollars I spent on entertainment I could probably get by on about 40 bucks a year for entertainment. This game and this franchise are somethings I will always use and come back to for many years to come.

Definately got my money's worth.

I wish could buy the game for $90. It cost me $100AUS for vanilla and then $50 for each expansion.

It's much better than Vanilla or Warlords (or both put together) so yes.

BtS is definitely worth the money.

My bad dude, its $90NZ for 'Complete'

I think locally (new plymouth) BTS is about $64NZ at TWL...?

And again, yes it was worth it!

And would a MAF be what happens if I play like a 18Civ Earth map and about the time when my espionage is large enough to see half the citys on the world and im playing in a slightly higher res than I should and Beep...computer restarts? or is that because I haven't been feeding the mouse enough lately?

And would a MAF be what happens if I play like a 18Civ Earth map and about the time when my espionage is large enough to see half the citys on the world and im playing in a slightly higher res than I should and Beep...computer restarts? or is that because I haven't been feeding the mouse enough lately?



I used to be able to play 18 civ earth map fine. I used only low anti aliasing. I would get slowdown. But not MAFs. Before BTS that is. BTS sometimes gives me MAFs when a game has barely started and the world is almost empty.

I would have payed $100 for it. So yes, to answer the question.

Completely overprized.

Let me see, I played the game probably 2 months straight... and it cost me $29.99... is two months of my life worth only $29.99?

Maybe, thats up to you and your government.

So a MAF is when the comp goes blink? or is there a particular error given?
Ive noticed since espionage has been thrown back in that there has been a slight increase in hardware strain, despite BTS being futher optimised....just more maths I guess.

Yes, it was worth it. How many people have honestly gone back to warlords in disgust and refused to play BTS again? Or do they continue to play BTS and just complain endlessly about Firaxis doing their job and giving them what they wanted so much.

Of course. :D

Of course it is. While there are some flaws, it has given me plenty of good gameplay.

So a MAF is when the comp goes blink? or is there a particular error given?
Ive noticed since espionage has been thrown back in that there has been a slight increase in hardware strain, despite BTS being futher optimised....just more maths I guess.



MAF is when the the game exits to desktop suddenly, without warning. After wards a error message apears announcing a Memory Allocation failure.

Simple Yes/No question: Is the value of the entertainment you have received from BTS greater than or equal to the cost of purchasing the game?

For example, if you spent $20 on the game, have you gotten at least $20 of entertainment value from the game?

This must be the most absurd question I've found in the forum, and there is very good competition I must add.
Obviously, I don't undestand the concept "..have you gotten at least $20 of entretainment value from the game?".

This must be the most absurd question I've found in the forum, and there is very good competition I must add.
Obviously, I don't undestand the concept "..have you gotten at least $20 of entretainment value from the game?".

I am trying to show that a majority of forum users have gotten their money's worth from the game. The dollar figure I gave was just an example.

Since the main goal of a game is entertainment, a game could be considered successful if the value of the entertainment one receives from it is greater than what one paid.

There have been a lot of posts in some other threads that have been very anti-BTS (and Firaxis) which I think are somewhat extreme and most likely constitute a vocal minority. My attempt in this poll was to provide an alternate point of view without asking a leading question, and to show that many, many people feel that BTS is indeed successful and worth the money spent on it.

I agree that on the face of it it is an absurd question, but only because the results are so lopsided (as predicted).

Please note that I am not saying the game does not have it's faults, or that it can not be improved.

I am trying to show that a majority of forum users have gotten their money's worth from the game. The dollar figure I gave was just an example.

Since the main goal of a game is entertainment, a game could be considered successful if the value of the entertainment one receives from it is greater than what one paid.

There have been a lot of posts in some other threads that have been very anti-BTS (and Firaxis) which I think are somewhat extreme and most likely constitute a vocal minority. My attempt in this poll was to provide an alternate point of view without asking a leading question, and to show that many, many people feel that BTS is indeed successful and worth the money spent on it.

I agree that on the face of it it is an absurd question, but only because the results are so lopsided (as predicted).

Please note that I am not saying the game does not have it's faults, or that it can not be improved.

I voted "Yes", but I do think Take2/Firaxis have misbehaved over the patching. The people at Firaxis are not my friends, and I owe them no "loyalty"; they are people whose products I buy - or used to buy. If they leave BtS hanging the way they did with the last XP for Civ III I really doubt that I'll buy Civ V.

Played Civ more than any other game and I play a lot of games, but civ is something I come back to again and again.

The thing that keeps civ alive for me is that they keep improving it. I rarely play the original version for long, because along comes an expansion, ("Test of Time" or "BTS", etc), or along comes a really great mod ("Rhye's and Fall" or "Fall from Heaven" etc), and it's these expansions and mods that I play to death.

I like the early periods of most games more than the middle to late periods, and I really don't mind losing. I'm struggling to get my first BTS win on Immortal at the moment, and I think this is my seventh attempt. This seventh game is really close, and this time I might just do it. If I don't, then it will be my fault, and I will come back for attempt number eight or nine or ten - LOL.

I think that's the core to civ. I don't mind losing, because the game is fair and 99% of the times that I do lose, it's because I did something wrong, usually because I didn't think something through properly. As to the depth of play, well it doesn't matter if you play the game at Chieftan level, or earn a civ degree and play it at Deity level - the game is just a huge and a huge amount of fun.

Regards - Mr P

Played Civ more than any other game and I play a lot of games, but civ is something I come back to again and again.

The thing that keeps civ alive for me is that they keep improving it. I rarely play the original version for long, because along comes an expansion, ("Test of Time" or "BTS", etc), or along comes a really great mod ("Rhye's and Fall" or "Fall from Heaven" etc), and it's these expansions and mods that I play to death.

I like the early periods of most games more than the middle to late periods, and I really don't mind losing. I'm struggling to get my first BTS win on Immortal at the moment, and I think this is my seventh attempt. This seventh game is really close, and this time I might just do it. If I don't, then it will be my fault, and I will come back for attempt number eight or nine or ten - LOL.

I think that's the core to civ. I don't mind losing, because the game is fair and 99% of the times that I do lose, it's because I did something wrong, usually because I didn't think something through properly. As to the depth of play, well it doesn't matter if you play the game at Chieftan level, or earn a civ degree and play it at Deity level - the game is just a huge and a huge amount of fun.

Regards - Mr P

I agree with you. I often decide not to play a game to finish because I have had a thoroughly good time and now want to play another game. And I've played Civ since the original version back in Anno Dazumal. It was love at first play. I think this enjoyment even when one doesn't finish a given game is one of the greatest assets of Civ. It would be a great pity io the producers of this wonderful game would alienate its supporters because some number cruncher thinks they "shouldn't waste any more money on this one".