Ok, so Steve McClaren hasn't exactly been sacked yet (although the Football section on the Guardian website claims he has) but I'll jump the gun here and say it's pretty much a known fact he's gonna be sacked.

So, who do you think will be up for the job?

Scolari is a possability again but then again when he was first thought of he rejected the idea because of the 'invasive' British Press, but will he have changed his mind a few years later?

I suppose Lippi is another possability. Proven manager at Juve and obviously a WC Winner, and he's obviously available. Or perhaps the 'Chosen One', throw enough money his way and he's yours, although I hear he's got his heart set on Spain or Italy.

Here at work we had a wee discussion and I can't really think of any solid England managers who could take over, or if the FA would even have one after Steve.


And of course, there's always Sven? ;)

And of course, there's always Sven?

He did have the best win ratio of any manger (certainly in recent years)


Or perhaps the 'Chosen One', throw enough money his way and he's yours, although I hear he's got his heart set on Spain or Italy.


If you had said that before the Croatia game i would have shot myself if he did, but now he suddenly becomes a possible choice to get England back on track.

I suppose Lippi is another possability. Proven manager at Juve and obviously a WC Winner, and he's obviously available.

Again another good choice and one i would certainly back, he decline the Birmingham job, probably for being such a small team at the bottom of the premiership, so maybe the England job is more to his liking!

Personally i would like to see several people, Martin O'Neil, Steve Coppell (although he said he wouldn't take the job if offered) and Alan Curbishley come to mind, although my dream would be a return of Bobby Robson, although he is ill and i wouldn't wish it on him!

I heard that Mourinho was free from duty....

No matter who the new manager is, he's doomed to fail, as the problem isn't the manager, but the British press and its unreasonable expectations. Eriksson must be having a good laugh!

I agree totally with that statement. The only way the English press will accept an England manager is if he wins the WC cup whilst simulataneously developing a cure for cancer in the center circle and while he's at it, delivering the second coming of Christ.

And even then, some will moan abotu the fact that he played x player over y player at right back.

The editor or sports editor of the Sun! He'd be the best. He clearly knows more about football than the whole of the world put together, and would be able to keep the press positive and off his back. :D

I agree totally with that statement. The only way the English press will accept an England manager is if he wins the WC cup whilst simulataneously developing a cure for cancer in the center circle and while he's at it, delivering the second coming of Christ.

And yet there would still be a sense off disappointment with him! :lol:

We have our first interested person! Capello!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7107060.stm

I've been reading about an forum (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=250964) taking over a team; maybe CFC should apply...?

Great idea, we would do a much better job!

i want the job of throwing the nearest item to hand at the players when we lose! :D

Some potential sucessors, ones that stand but not mention yet in Mark Hughes, who has done wonders with Blackburn so far this season.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7106968.stm

With that list we need to make up a poll about which one of these possible candidates will take over the Job for England.

My money would be on Mourinho to do the Job, that is if he wants to go to a National team.

There's always Martin Jol ;)

They have to decide first whether they can face having another non-English manager. I'm not sure the FA like the idea of this, but, equally, I just don't see any English manager who is up to the job.

Oh, and McLaren has indeed been sacked.

I just don't see any English manager who is up to the job.

yes, but there are a good few British managers out there

I can't see a Scot takign over England tbh, unless it was Fergusson I just don't think he'd be accepted.

Well, it was just a matter of time:

McClaren Sacked (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=483968&cc=3888)

Some potential sucessors, ones that stand but not mention yet in Mark Hughes, who has done wonders with Blackburn so far this season.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7106968.stm

Hughes has been doing well at Blackburn for a few seasons now however I doubt he would be interested in the England job.

Capello and O'Neill seem to be the early favourites with Mourinho apparently not interested. I don't think the FA will be keen on waiting until after Euro 2008 for some manager's contracts to expire.

Klinsmann. :mischief:

He has been mentioned but I can't see that working.

It'll be Capello, which'll make it as easy for me to hate The English squad as it's been for me to hate Real Madrid

There is only one answer.

There is only one possibility.

There is only one Berti Vogts...

Well, Berti Vogts has won more titles than England, Spain and Holland combined. ;)

Eric Ribbeck :mischief:

Yeah, excellent choice.

I heard that Mourinho was free from duty....

He's not interested in managing a national team at this stage in his career.

He's interested in far more control... ie. far more time with his players. Only club football can give him that.

Benitez for England?? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7108721.stm)


Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has said he may be interested in the England job after an apparent disagreement with the club's owners over transfer targets.

From reading it I think it's a case of frustration on his part. He's not going to leave club football, not when teams like Bayern Munich want him. He's probably just trying to rattle the chairmans (men?) cage a little.

And Mark Hughes is out of the running too

Linkie (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/7108934.stm)

^^^^^

Damn!

Hmmmm

O'Neill will not take England job (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7108992.stm)

Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill has ruled himself out of the running for the vacant England coach's position.
The Northern Irishman, 55, who was interviewed for the job last year, was among the favourites to take over following Steve McClaren's dismissal.


Hmmmm, I guess the constant mauling from the press really is putting people off.....

Keeno says too many ego's are the problem with the national team. I say counter that by bringing in the biggest ego, the special one.

As for the feral press, he just loves it. Remember how every time his players did something wrong on the pitch he would say something deranged in the post-match. The back pages would lead with "Special One claims to be Second Comming" not "Horror Tackle: What Action from FA".

He claims not to be interested, but for the right price and the right power he'ld do it.

Or O'Neil. He says no, but he would if the FA offered it to him. He wont submit to publically attending interviews etc that make him appear less commited to his club, but post him a contract with a SAE and he'll sign.

The real kicker is that they have to have a less public process. Whoever they get has to appear to be the first choice, otherwise they will forever be castrated. Dont publically offer the job unless you know it will be accepted. Tricky with the press all over it, but critical.

Roy Hodgson may be a very strong candidate. With the material of the English team, he could lead them to glory again. He sure knows how not to concede goals(Finland conceded 7 goals in 14 matches), and English attack is better than Finnish attack.

Hodgson is still tainted in England by his lack of success with Blackburn. I'd be surprised if the FA would allow themselves to forget that.

I'm not surprised nobody wants the job, even though it would pay VERY well.

The English media is insane - there is soooo much pressure. Much more pressure than coaching any other country in the world.

Not to mention having to pamper to all the superstars..

A coach should have ONE thing on his mind, the next game. This is impossible when you coach England. You have to think about the crazy media, the superstars, all the politics and drama... Who would want a job like that?

I wish Domenech decided to quit coaching France now and take the English job. He probably would get burned by the press quicker than Joan of Arc, but at least it would be a good laugh.

I'm not surprised nobody wants the job, even though it would pay VERY well.

Capello apparently wants the job.

what's wrong with shearer? is nobody considering him?

I wish Domenech decided to quit coaching France now and take the English job. He probably would get burned by the press quicker than Joan of Arc, but at least it would be a good laugh.

:lol: nice one:lol:

It looks like Scotland are going to lose their manager ... to Birmingham City. It looks like it has already a behind the scenes done deal. I say this because the reporter Chick Young spoke to Alex McLeish, telling him "the bookies [betting organizations] have closed betting on you becoming the next manager there" and Alex responded "it's a pity I didn't put a bet on then". That's sounds pretty ominous.

Am I the only one who thinks this mercenary treachery? Walter Smith earlier stabbed his country in the back at the first opportunity, and the press let him away with it. Would never have happened a decade ago.:mad:

what's wrong with shearer? is nobody considering him?

He has no management experience and I think after McLaren most people want someone who already has a good track record.

I read a report about Jurgen Klingsman being lined up for th ejob but I was thinking, would the English fans accept a German manager? Just a thought.

I pray McLeish won't go but unfortunately that's the problem with international management, there's no future in it really. all the best managers need to prove themselves at domestic level. There's more money there as well...

Although if he goes I want Souness. without a doubt.

Klinsmann is very popular in England. Which is why I would be cautious about the job being handed to him. It sounds too much like a stunt to appease the masses and the media (like when Keegan was offered the job).

Capello would be excellent. He has little time for excessive egos and isn't afraid to make unpopular decisions. Necessary traits to counter the media frenzy.

BTW, apparently Scolari has ruled himself back into contention for the English job. The Portuguese media are gonna run a story to that effect tomorrow.

If Scolari is up for it, then I'd expect he would get it. His work with Portugal over the last year or so just reinforces that he would have been a good choice when he turned the FA down before.

what? punching a player on the opposite team? ;)

Suppose that might help, I don't think there's a single Englishman in the land who doesn't think the new manager should have a little fight about him

Slight issue with Scolari is that we would have to wait until after Euro 2008 to make the appointment which is a reasonably long time particularly if they do organise a UK tournament.

Oh, come on Dell. What were England going to be doing until after Euro 2008 anyway ? Arguing about which hotel to stay in when visiting Kazakhstan ?

*Sigh*

Suppose it's not just England anymore. damn mercenary

Mercenary bastard (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm)

*Sigh*

Suppose it's not just England anymore. damn mercenary

Mercenary bastard (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7114028.stm)

For Birmingham? That must sting - i'd expatriate him! As for the new manager:

There is only one answer.

There is only one possibility.

There is only one Berti Vogts...

*Steviejay kicks Till to death...... but in a good way*

;)

The names being floated for a replacement atm are Billy David and Souness.

Steve McClaren need not apply.

*Steviejay kicks Till to death...... but in a good way*

Don't hold back please. I assure you, the more enemies Till makes, the better.

A bloody nasty blow to Scotland, no doubts there. I would hate to think of it as a 'get out on a high' :(

The rumour mill's kicked off now. People are getting linked.

Billy Davis, John Collins, Craig Levin, Fergie and Souness all seem to be favourites. Another rumour was Souness coming in and Gary Mac as his number 2 but we'll see.

On the English front, after a week of ultimate rejection by it seems every manager in the land (and abroad) people are starting to take interest. Mourinho has apparently said he'd take it if offered. Hiddink (sp?) has implied he'd be interested and Lois van Gaal has also apparently suggested he'd consider it.

Do you think a way to avoid the situation happening with Scotland (and I suppose it happens elsewhere too) would be to allow a manager to take charge part time, to prevent him leaving the very second someone shoves money in his face. It's either that or raise the money being given to a premiership level, but even then there's always someone with more money.

I think the England solution has been to offer the manager a lot of money with no risk of losing out even if the team doesn't qualify which is the same with league jobs.

I don't think a part time manager would work at all as any down turn in club form would be blamed on the national job and the reverse would be true. Peter Taylor and Stuart Pearce have both tried managing two teams at once and ended up losing at least one job.

Yeah that's true. The club board were pretty pissed when Pearce took the job if I remember.

Gordon Smith (SFA big wig) has said that there's no rush to get a new Scotland manager in and it'll be the new year at the least. Suppose I've no problem with that, we're not really doing anything and I'd rather he took the time and got it right.

I think Klinnsman is a great idea. The way he brought up the German National Team from the state it was in 04-05 was amazing. Maybe that's what England needs.

I think Klinnsman is a great idea. The way he brought up the German National Team from the state it was in 04-05 was amazing. Maybe that's what England needs.

Some say it was Joachim Löw who did all the tactical work (and all of the work when Klinsmann was in California) though...

See I'd heard that too. I dunno where from though. who is that guy?

And does anyone else think it odd that no one has mentioned Tommy Burns as a potential Scotland manager? he's got quite the rep after all

i subscribe to the view that löw was/is the mastermind behind the way the team played in the wc. löw is, unlike klinsmann, a real coach. he has the knowledge of the game, while klinsmanns role was another one.

klinsmann administered the staff, assigned shrinks and physiologist, adapted new training methods from the states and so on. he was the head behind difficult decisions inside the fa. he was stubborn and popular enough to deal with all those old and grey functionaries and officials in the fa, who were offended by too many changes.

so, klinsmann reformed the fa and its structures, while löw reformed the tactics. besides, if you look at that movie about the wc, with scenes of half time talk etc, you can see what a lousy motivator klinsmann is.

there are clearly better options for england than klinsmann.

I'll agree with kalif here because I'm certain I've read something about that before.

But I doubt he'd got the job anyway, I think it could be Van Gaal to be honest

Maybe I shoudl just change this thread's name to the 'Managers wanted' thread

Hodgson quits as Finland manager (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7120879.stm)

This a good or bad thing Hittie?

I would say bad - Finland did so well this qualifying campaign.

Will they do better under a different manager?

Make Fatih Terim England boss.I would be relieved,very happy...

What do England fans think of this analysis (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=496466)?

It's official! (http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=512668)

FA Set To Hand Capello England Job

Talks with the FA yesterday proved fruitful, and reports suggest Fabio Capello will be England's new boss by the weekend. Speaking yesterday, the Italian says he knows how to turn England's fortunes around - and it starts in the players' heads.

By Wednesday night things appeared to have brightened significantly in the FA camp, for it appears that, after all the speculation, they have finally got their man.

Fabio Capello flew into London yesterday to hold talks with Brian Barwick, Sir Trevor Brooking and the rest of the committee, and the FA were impressed with what the Italian had to say.

“I’m pleased to say the discussions with Fabio Capello were extremely positive and without any problems," enthused their communications director Adrian Bevington.

Lengthy Talks, Big Money

The discussions with the former Real Madrid man lasted three hours, and were followed by a tour of Wembley stadium, where Capello's first match would be played against Switzerland in February.

Flying back to Milan at the end of the meeting, Capello left his lawyers behind to finalise the small details of what would likely be a £4.5m-a-year deal, rumoured to take him until the end of the 2010 World Cup.

Rubber Stamping

The appointment still requires the approval of the FA board today, but as officials, consulted managers and players all seem happy with the choice this should be little more than a formality.

Capello The Psychologist

As for the man himself, he has vowed to turn England around, to lift psychological defects that appear to take hold of so many great club players when they pull on the Three Lions jersey.

“There is tremendous difference in the attitude they show from one game to the next. How can players of the level of Beckham or Owen have performances so different when they play for their national team?" questioned Capello. “It’s clear the shirt is very heavy even for those great champions."

The Italian also admitted he was shocked that players of England's calibre could not even make it through to next summer's European Championships. But, unlike Steve McClaren, Capello has vowed that he knows exactly how to turn this problem of underperformance around for the future.

Analysing Steve

"It’s clear there is a mental block," he said. "Otherwise how can you explain their elimination from Euro 2008? We managers ask ourselves how can England, with the players they have, not qualify for the 2008 European Championships? The English team, much like the Spanish team, wins very little despite having some very good players.

"I’ve watched some of the games of the English," continued the Italian. "In the match against Russia in Moscow they played defensively. They sat right outside their own 18-yard box for 90 minutes despite having the advantage after taking a 1-0 lead in the first half. Against Croatia at Wembley they were all playing up front. They lost 2-3 when a draw at home would have been enough for them to qualify.”

Heh it's not official until he's signed and the media start their publicity storm ;) I will grant it's very likely.

So, England fans, any thoughts? I think it raher good to note that it seems that the English have went through the exact opposite of what Scotland has recently, they had a bad foreign manager so we now operated exclusivey with home grown ones while england had a bad domestic manager and now see foreign managers as the way to go.

Stevei, you need to remember that Scots can actually manage football teams - the trouble is convincing the best ones to take the national job. English managers, well, it's the other way round - they can't really manage at the top level, but they all reckon they can do the big one (Keegan, McLaren, Harry, Big Sam...).

Heh it's not official until he's signed and the media start their publicity storm ;) I will grant it's very likely.

So, England fans, any thoughts? I think it raher good to note that it seems that the English have went through the exact opposite of what Scotland has recently, they had a bad foreign manager so we now operated exclusivey with home grown ones while england had a bad domestic manager and now see foreign managers as the way to go.

Capello is the best
everywhere he goes he wins ;)

Hope my english mates

Do I laugh now or later?

In regards to what man? Do you not rate Capello or do you just refuse to believe that England will win the WC?

Well, I think that people should wait and see if he can get results before talking him up so much. It's just asking for a huge disappointment come World Cup qualifiers.

Capello is going to become a legend. Wayne Rooney said so, and he should know what he's talking about.

I think it was Pele who said it best-

"Just because England have a foreign coach, or a big name, doesn't mean they are going to win anything."

Makes sense, they thought that with Sven, and although he did do good, the expectations from him made it that second best was just not good enough. Will it be the same again?

Do I laugh now or later?

Can i advise you?
laught after you've drinked a cup of poison

you will laugh more :lol:

I think it was Pele who said it best-

"Just because England have a foreign coach, or a big name, doesn't mean they are going to win anything."

Makes sense, they thought that with Sven, and although he did do good, the expectations from him made it that second best was just not good enough. Will it be the same again?

England lose because of players

England lose because of players

I agree. Which baffles me because of their quality and the size of the pool of players they can draw from. I'm scottish and even I'll admit they have some amazing players.

Primadonnas(sp?) perhaps?

I personally think England need to go old school. Go back to the roots, they need players like Stuart Pierce and Tony Adams, players that'd put you 10 feet in the air if you tried to get past them. They need fighters and no amount of skill from the man in charge will give them that.

I agree. Which baffles me because of their quality and the size of the pool of players they can draw from. I'm scottish and even I'll admit they have some amazing players.

Primadonnas(sp?) perhaps?

I personally think England need to go old school. Go back to the roots, they need players like Stuart Pierce and Tony Adams, players that'd put you 10 feet in the air if you tried to get past them. They need fighters and no amount of skill from the man in charge will give them that.

I agree
England doesn't need lazy player who thiks only sex parties and don't take seriously national matches
England need the George Best's descendant!!!!

heh, the thing is, if a player happens to enjoy a sex party, then that can be good too (George Best for example)

The Rangers team of the 90's (when we won 9 titles in a row) was much like that and Ally McCoist, then a player but now the Assistant Manager said 'a team that drinks together, wins together' and because they were so close we won everything in the league.

England players are too soft now, they're not fighters. and to win you can either be incredibly skillfull (teams like Italy) or just brute force it and slug it out (Scotland in the qualifiers), England are in the middle and unless they get it fixed then they won't win anything.

English players are also horribly over-rated in England. To hear the BBC's pundits talk, you'd imagine that the English midfield would all be automatic choices for a World XI, with Rooney and Ferdinand joining them. In reality, they have a midfield which doesn't gel and appears to lack creativity at the top level, one and a half good forwards, and a defense and keeper which are usually just an accident waiting to happen.

Don't think the manager is going to be able to change a lot of that.

Well, an Italian coach. We have seen years of SGE tactics which were far too defensive minded...

Maybe, for a start, Capello could field only one primadonna at a time and not three as seen in the past years. I would be glad if he would ban Lampard and Gerrard alltogether.

England can learn some things from successful teams such as Greece or Germany. You don't win with having only self proclaimed superstars. Get back the good old fighting spirit.

To hear the BBC's pundits talk, you'd imagine that the English midfield would all be automatic choices for a World XI, with Rooney and Ferdinand joining them.

I'd pick Pirlo, Gattuso, Vieira, Fabregas, Riquelme rather than Gerrard or Lampard

I'd pick Pirlo, Gattuso, Vieira, Fabregas, Riquelme rather than Gerrard or Lampard

Why don't we pick Ezechiel Lavezzi or Marcelo Zalayeta? :p

because they are forwards :p

because they are forwards :p

At least so England can compete with Italy ;)

THe problem with England, is that we don't take any notice what happens outside Britain, in Spain, Italy and other countries, so therefore we never see the European greats in their own countries league. Up until approx 2004, i never saw Zidane play for his club, i have never seen any of the great Brazilian players play for their clubs because i have no way of watching them, except for a very early highlight progammes in the morning. The only foregin full matches we get on freeview channels is from Italy. Therefore i suspect, i may be wrong, that people here just assume that our players are the best because they never see players from outside the Premier league and we underestimate their players.

The other thing is whether they would give every onuce of strength to play for England, there are some players that don't, some will be because playing for England is a very big stage to play on and some people will fall under the pressure, people like that are fine, because it must be quite daunting to play for 50 million odd people, for example Lescott and Carson, both good players but put in a situation that puts them under more pressure than normal and they fell under the pressure.

However there are people who arn't playing to their full commitment, ie Frank Lampard, or A. Cole, and debatable John Terry who missed out the Croatia game and then played for his club the following saturday. Steven Gerrard i think has always played with full commitment, even if he didn't play well, i mean he played against Israel and Russia with a broken foot and drug up with painkillers!

I think the main problem with England is that they haven't had a good leader in a while.

John Terry is a great leader - for Chelsea... don't get me wrong.

Is he such a great leader for England, though? Does he direct and inspire the rest of the team? Is he able to do that? I think the big egos of other players prevent him from being an effective leader.

And thus you have a team with no real driving force. All the players drive themselves - they are not driven by a leader.

England has some of the best players in the world.. it's the teamwork that has to improve for them to get anywhere in the next major tournament (that they qualify for)