This is a follow-up to the poorly executed poll, "New Chinese Leader." Here, I actually spell the names right :) ......

Kangxi! Longest reigning Emperor of China. Beat the crap out of Russia, conquered mongolia and Modern Russian Manchu. Beefed up the millitary and tripled the money in the treasury. Created a super accurate calender for farming and compised one of the best dictionaries ever.

QianLong! Founder of the Qing Dynasty

HongWu! Founder of the Ming Dynasty, was a actually a peasant, overthrew the mongols and advanced farming techqiunes as well as overseerer of Zheng He's voyages

You didn't vote, aronnax.

You didn't vote, aronnax.

You didn't vote, aronnax.

Sorry for the triple-post. My computer did it by accident...

I posted before the poll went up

Sorry for the triple-post. My computer did it by accident...

I figured you did it intentionally three times because he mentioned three different Chinese leaders and didn't vote for any of them.

I would say Qin shi huang because of the great wall, his tomb, his statebuilding, expansion of chinese civ, etc. Although he basically started China he killed so much of the Chinese. Hongwu and Taizu too have their merits.

Zhuge Liang. He could kick anybody's *** ;)

But, other than him, many of the Chinese leaders are equally great. theres just too many! althuogh i'd put Mao Zedong LOWEST on the list above.

Zhuge Liang. He could kick anybody's *** ;)

But, other than him, many of the Chinese leaders are equally great. theres just too many! althuogh i'd put Mao Zedong LOWEST on the list above.

Zhuge Liang was never a leader so....

...and yes Mao shouldn't even be on that list much less numba 1.

Zhuge Liang lead an army, thus making him a leader. :p

Zhuge Liang lead an army, thus making him a leader. :p

He was more a strategist so maybe Sima Yi could be the best leader.:p

Now that I've put Taizu, I somewhat regret it. It think Hongzhi (he was the only emporer to have one wife and was a just ruler) or Wen/Jing of Han (just, benevolent rulers who spread Daoism).

Han Wu Di was also a brilliant leader ordered the first census in China, imvaded and conquered Korea, Kygstan and Vietnam and repel and kick barbarian butt(sorry) from invading China

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Han Wu Di was also a brilliant leader ordered the first census in China, imvaded and conquered Korea, Kygstan and Vietnam and repel and kick barbarian butt(sorry) from invading China

That may be just enough to earn him the title of "one of the greatest conquerors in history" :goodjob:

That may be just enough to earn him the title of "one of the greatest conquerors in history" :goodjob:

That is so modest of you.:)

The owner of Idea;"Lets build a Great Wall"
Who is this?

The owner of Idea;"Lets build a Great Wall"
Who is this?

Qin Shi Huang Di originally built it, but Zhu Di extended and renovated it.

Sheng-Ji Yang

Please tell me who this is.

Greatest Chinese Leader?
I have already modded my version of Civ III so that China's leader is Zhang Ziyi. :D

CurtSibling should be very happy...

On topic: Because I am a raving warmongerer I prefer the great conquerors rather than the cultural giants. :D In chronological order:
(1) Qin dynasty: Qin Shi Huang - unified the 7 kingdoms in more ways than one and for better or worse, ended the possibility of the area developing into multiple kingdoms (like Europe) and ensured that the ideal of a unified China will be pursued forevermore.
(2) Han dynasty: Han Wu Di - conquered every last inch of what will later become "core" China (this means the south) plus the area that we call Xinjiang today. A shame that we never got to keep northern Korea and Vietnam. :p
(3) Tang dynasty: Tang Taizong - ruled over the peak of the Tang dynasty, when China was probably the richest, most advanced and cultured domain in the world, and when Changan was definitely the biggest and brightest city on the entire planet.
(4) Qing dynasty: the emperor Kangxi - more than anyone else the one truly responsible for modern China's ideas about what she perceives to be her territory. Mongolia, Xinjiang and Tibet were all added during his watch.

The Greatest was Qin Shi Huang Di and the worst was Mao Zedong.;)

I have already modded my version of Civ III so that China's leader is Zhang Ziyi. :D

CurtSibling should be very happy...
Meh... Gong li is better namely her early movies like raise the red lantern or even shanghai triad.

^yes, but the newer one, is, well, "newer". ;)

but maybe in Civ5 they could make a Wu Zeitian leaderhead have an uncanny resemblance to the young actress? help raise sales. and in communist china too, maube. no, it'll be pirated versions, never mind. :D

I voted Tang Taizong, but Qin Shi Huang, Han Wu Di, Kangxi, Taizu (Song), Yongle (Ming), Zhu Di, Yongzheng are also good candidates.

Mao Zedong deserves an honourable mention because he pretty much shaped modern China and restored Chinese national pride (even if some of his policies are half-baked).

Please tell me who this is.

Name: Sheng-ji Yang
Rank: Commander
Position: Chief of Security
Country of Origin: China
DOB: 01-09-1999
Height: 170.6 cm
Weight: 73.2 kg

Service Record:
Born 1999, Wuhan, China; father a prominent Chinese lit scholar. Master of the Five Excellences: calligraphy, poetry, painting, traditional medicine, and martial arts (including martial t'ai-chi, wushu, and others). Studied Chinese Literature and Military History at Beijing University, later acquired a PhD in Psychology from same. Taught joint lock techniques to Chinese military during the Second Golden Revolution, then commanded Golden Emperor's personal security force. Vanished for several years following the Crimson Succession, to resurface in United Nations security training force. Selected Chief of Security, U.N. Alpha Centauri Mission.

Psych Profile: Protectionist
Exceedingly deep and powerful mind; near flawless visual and kinesthetic recall. Somewhat antisocial, security minded to the extreme, with elaborate psychological defense mechanisms against emotional entreaties. High stability and loyalty to mission indicated.
Driven primarily by need for security and control. Powerful will; leadership potential high but strong tendency to control and manipulate followers can result in almost cultlike following. Tolerance for pain exceedingly high; .96 on Atherholt Trauma Function Test.

CAUTION: Earlier psych tests show suspiciously near perfect normals along all axes. Subject may use strong will and extensive knowledge of psychiatric indicators to manipulate test results in his favor.

Name: Sheng-ji Yang
Rank: Commander
Position: Chief of Security
Country of Origin: China
DOB: 01-09-1999
Height: 170.6 cm
Weight: 73.2 kg

Service Record:
Born 1999, Wuhan, China; father a prominent Chinese lit scholar. Master of the Five Excellences: calligraphy, poetry, painting, traditional medicine, and martial arts (including martial t'ai-chi, wushu, and others). Studied Chinese Literature and Military History at Beijing University, later acquired a PhD in Psychology from same. Taught joint lock techniques to Chinese military during the Second Golden Revolution, then commanded Golden Emperor's personal security force. Vanished for several years following the Crimson Succession, to resurface in United Nations security training force. Selected Chief of Security, U.N. Alpha Centauri Mission.

Psych Profile: Protectionist
Exceedingly deep and powerful mind; near flawless visual and kinesthetic recall. Somewhat antisocial, security minded to the extreme, with elaborate psychological defense mechanisms against emotional entreaties. High stability and loyalty to mission indicated.
Driven primarily by need for security and control. Powerful will; leadership potential high but strong tendency to control and manipulate followers can result in almost cultlike following. Tolerance for pain exceedingly high; .96 on Atherholt Trauma Function Test.

CAUTION: Earlier psych tests show suspiciously near perfect normals along all axes. Subject may use strong will and extensive knowledge of psychiatric indicators to manipulate test results in his favor.


WOW! How long did this take you?

About 40 seconds.

Sun Yat Sun is one of my all time favorite revolutionaries, but I can't honestly vote him #1 leader of China. No, for me, that would be Wu Di. Started the "real awesome part of" the Han Dynasty, greatest of the Chinese Dynasties.

No, for me, that would be Wu Di. Started the Han Dynasty, greatest of the Chinese Dynasties.

it was Gaozu who started the Han. WuDi was the one who conquered a bunch of things... including the near-impossible VIetnam. :D

Yeah, Gaozu started it, but that was really just the Chin without all the death. Wu Di really started what became the legacy of the Han.

^but you said "started the Han dynasty", not "started the real awesome part of the Han Dynasty". There is a difference. :D

I appologize then. I'll edit it.

Well, lets see... my personal analysis of the various important dynasties...

Zhou: Important to Chinese history because they brought about political developments, culmunating in the Warring States and Confucianism and Taoism, the two most important philosophies of China.

Qin: Great Wall and Grand Canal, but more importantly, the first emperor.

Han: First real "international" dynasty. Expanded into Central Asia and Eastern Asia, sort of started the Silk Road, and had a little bit of contact with the Romans, thuogh the darn Parthians got in the way.

Tang: Second "international" dynasty, and considered by Chinese to by the greatest, second only to the Han. Great exansion, especially into Central Asia, occured; the economy boomed, as did culture. China essentially, with the Muslim Empire, became one of the most powerful countries in the world.

Song: Not as large as the Tang dynasty, but more notable for the developments in science, culture, and a massive population boom. This was the dynasty that could have sped China into a really weird "industrial age", had some of their people just been slightly more innovative, thuogh probably they wouldn't have developed like the Europeans.

Yuan: Mongol dynasty, doesnt count sort of, but this was when the EUropeans started realizing that China existed - major implications on the world.

Ming: The biggest dynasty yet. Expands China, and the economy, culture, population, whatever booms... but the Ming, althuogh with a few centuries lead compared with Europe (in advancement), start to bring in isolation and stagnation of innovative and scientific development.

Qing: The last and biggest dynasty. Expands China to a size larger than the present day. The population really skyrockets, but it is during this final dynasty that Europe finally surpasses China as the richest and most advanced place in the world. Nevertheless, the Qing play an important role in East Asia during the Victorian Era.