OK, lets try and stop this one turning into mass-confusion.

First 4 people (myself included) only post, in the order that they post, i.e. whoever post straight after this has to wait until I post again before their turn comes around. and please, no posting with a preconcieved notion of one country dominating all others, no matter what else goes before your post.

A bit more modern this time, maybe a summing up for the next 3 years per post?

2 PODs:

1. the USSR win the Polish Soviet war in 1920, and Poland becomes a full SSR in 1921.

2. Britain wins the Irish war of Independence, and Ireland never secedes from the UK. by 1921, the rebellion is over.

(I think it would be best if people tried to keep it "reasonable" - ie, no "they all land in greenland and freeze to death" and that sort of things, and no cheerleading for any country.)

(Also, I think two years work better than three - we'll run out of years pretty quick if we all cover three!).

The fall of Poland causes panic in the UK, which returns to the "wall of ship" policy, and refuse to participate in the Washington Naval Disarmament conference. In addition, England strengthen her alliance with Japan, much to Washington's disappointment. Japanese are extremely pleased with this, and open themselves further to British influence. Commonwealth assistance (mostly from Canada and Australia, but credited to Britain in the public mind) after the great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 only strengthen this.

The Soviet, meanwhile, send agents and money into Germany, where Communists elements throws near-constant uprisings, particularly in the eastern parts, such as Saxony. As a result, many Germans rally to the National-Socialists as the best defense against the enemy at the gate ; the Beer Hall Putsch is successful. Several western nations laud Hitler's energic repression of the Communists ; France and Belgium withdraws from the Ruhr (which they had occupied earlier in the year) as tokens of goodwill. The hyperinflation in Germany is slowly brought back under control.

Mussolini takes power in Italy in late 1922, and Ataturk in Turkey around the same time.

Thus things stand, on December 31, 1923.

As i suggested on the other thread, what we can do is people will have to "claim" posts. First they post a claim on a post, before editing it with their matierial. If there is a claim before your post, you must wait until that user posts his material. Sounds good?

(Also, I think two years work better than three - we'll run out of years pretty quick if we all cover three!).

Done.

The fall of Poland causes panic in the UK, which returns to the "wall of ship" policy, and refuse to participate in the Washington Naval Disarmament conference. In addition, England strengthen her alliance with Japan, much to Washington's disappointment. Japanese are extremely pleased with this, and open themselves further to British influence. Commonwealth assistance (mostly from Canada and Australia, but credited to Britain in the public mind) after the great Kanto Earthquake of 1923 only strengthen this.

going into 1924, Britain seems in a very strong position. a strong ally in the East, no inssurection to its west, and a Germany that can at least be seen as the lesser of two evils. however, this alliance is potentially troublesome. the UK has a huge working-class population, who hold fairly favorable views towards Lenins Russia and resent the UK govt alliance with the National socialist in Germany, fearing their Nazis attitude toward unions, etc could be replicated in England. tensions run high and sporadic riots break out in working class areas of London, Manchester, Dublin and especially Glasgow. the British govt form units of demobilised WW1 soldiers, who are knows as the black and tans in Ireland, and the Terriers in Britain...

The Soviet, meanwhile, send agents and money into Germany, where Communists elements throws near-constant uprisings, particularly in the eastern parts, such as Saxony. As a result, many Germans rally to the National-Socialists as the best defense against the enemy at the gate ; the Beer Hall Putsch is successful. Several western nations laud Hitler's energic repression of the Communists ; France and Belgium withdraws from the Ruhr (which they had occupied earlier in the year) as tokens of goodwill. The hyperinflation in Germany is slowly brought back under control.

and Germanys economy thrives, to the astonishment of everyone exceeding the levels of production it did in 1914. Jews are excluded from public life, and anti communism and anti semitism become the Nazis leader, the perviously unknown Adolf Hitler rallying cry. Hitler has many enemies in the party though, and his position is not completely secure. by 1925, Hitler realises though Germany is recovering well, he needs something to unite the entire country around him and quash dissent withint the party. He eyeballs the agrarian USSR, now led by Stalin... its unindustrialised countryside would be the perfect place to settle Germans...

Mussolini takes power in Italy in late 1922, and Ataturk in Turkey around the same time.

the US courts Attaturk in particular, him being seen as a potential ally againt the USSR, without being tainted by the facist tag that by now Hitler and Mussolini have.

thus stand things on 31/12/1925...

As i suggested on the other thread, what we can do is people will have to "claim" posts. First they post a claim on a post, before editing it with their matierial. If there is a claim before your post, you must wait until that user posts his material. Sounds good?

Damn it. My fault.

OK claim by reserving a post in future? Start form my one above, apologies for not wating my turn

Meanwhile, in Asia...

The French colony of IndoChina is suffering problems. THe year is 1924, and a massive famine occurs. The Vietnamese are terribly angered. Finally, one leader arises - Nguyen Khoi, a descendant of the Vietnamese emperor Quang Truong. A massive rebellion starts in Vietnam.


Meanwhile, to the north, Japan's imperialistic ambitions fail as a series of anti-imperialism ministers take over in 1924.

so i claimed this post?

Ok i'll edit it with the goodies :)

Edit: Missed Cybrxkhan's post above. I assume you have to add to the above discussion? well i fail at knowledge about SE Asia in this particular time period so skip me...

No, you could write your part about another bit of history. We're covering the whole world.

So yes, you could, hypothetically enough, have Poland try to revolt. Although obsessing over a single country and cheerleading them on is discouraged. Not that I'm thinking of any (South-)East Asian country whose name start with "V" here. (Kidding. For now :-D)

no offense. but its historically bound of happen, Vietnam rebelling, so i thought, might as well make it more interesting and make it happen when Hitler's on the rise in Europe to distract France, much like in real history. :D

Four people? Well, I'll just post once...

In 1926, Scotland's worker class revolts and kills the local Parliament member. The defeated Irish are inspired and rise up, as do the Welsh and Cornish. In France, Brittany rises up. The revolting areas combine and form the Republic of Celtica.

In Hungary and Czechoslovakia, workers revolt and join the USSR (with some "persuasion" from Stalin). Germany is angered, as it is expanding its influence in Czechoslovakia. Hitler declares war on Stalin. Japan, Britian, China, and France see this as an opportunity for grabbing land and enter the war on Hitler's side.

America is angered by this land-grab and president Coolidge declares war on Germany, Japan, Britian, China and France, and signs an alliance with Russia. Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Vietnam, Celtica and Cuba enter on Russia's side as well.

So it is on December 31, 1928.

(And all semblances of realism fly straight out of the window...)

(And all semblances of realism fly straight out of the window...)

Qouted for the truth. My coffee flew out of my nose when I read that

WWII Started early this time. Well to continue.

Poland see's this as an oppurtunity to gain some of it's land back from before the Partisans of Poland, (Lithuania, Ukraine, Latvia, Balarus etc.) and sides with Germany against the Soviets.

So it is on December 31st 1928 on the "polish side".

(this should be interesting)

The war, however, soon proves no more than a matter of small-scale skirmishes, because the nations of Europe, bloodied by World War I less than a decade earlier, simply don't have the manpower to fight any sort of global warfare, while America's navy cannot manage cross-oceanic operation against the might of the Royal and Imperial Japanese Navies.

Moreoever, many participants drop out of the war almost as soon as it begins. America is among the first, following the election of Democrat Al Smith to replace Coolidge (the Republicans fails to get more than a single state's support), after a 1928 electoral campaign largely based on the war. Smith rapidly conclude several peace treaties.

Similarly, in Canada, an armed Loyalist uprising in Ontario rapidly force William Lyon Mackenzie King to withdraw his country from the war. He is nonetheless jailed, and later tried and executed on charges of high treason, Canada being still a Dominion of Great Britain, and many English-Canadians feeling highly loyal to the Crown. Many of the "traitors" flee to Québec, where they are hidden among the french community. Repression against french-Canadian begins anew.

The other American nation, being powerless to intervene without any sort of navy, effectively drift out of the war.

Meanwhile, in Europe, things essentialy devolve into three separate conflicts : France against Celtica (in Brittany), England against Celtica (in Ireland and Scotland), and the uprising in the various SSR (and the independent nations of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia), backed by Germany, which keeps Soviet forces busy. Celtica, isolated by extensive Royal Navy blockades, soon begin to wither. In addition, in Asia, Japan attempts to invade Vietnam, but while they take Saigon, Hue and Hanoi, they are unable to make much progress beyond that, with the Viet forces holding the countryside with effective guerilla warfare.

By the end of 1930, France has retaken Brittany, and England is making good progress in Ireland, which had most of the resistance beaten out of it a decade earlier. Scotland, however, is managing to hold its own, as is Vietnam. The uprising is still ongoing in Europe, while the Japanesse have abandoned trying to wage war on the Vietnamesse, and are contenting themselves with holding the three cities, and maintaining naval patrol off the coast.

Late in november, Japan succesfully surprise the defenders of Vladivostok, and occupy the city.

On the last day of December, Britain formally recognize the independance of Scotland, which in turn proclaim its independance from Celtica, and signs peace with Britain. The treaty recognizes that Britain and Scotland shall now be two separate nations, with separate institutions, but in personal union and ruled by the same king or queen.

In the United States the Republican party has entered a spiral of self-destruction, its national credibility entirely lost. In Canada, the French have slowly begun arming themselves, and talks of independence in Québec are growing more and more prevalent.

Thus things stands on December 31st, 1930, as the world prepares to enter a new decade.

(Sorry, but let's be realistic here. It's been less than a decade since World War I ; Canada is still a british dominion populated by loyalists, Nothing has been done to make America less isolationist, and most of these "new nations" haven't even had the time to build a proper military, etc. Therefore, I tried to bring these factors into play while still making something interesting out of the previous posts.

In 1926, Scotland's worker class revolts and kills the local Parliament member. The defeated Irish are inspired and rise up, as do the Welsh and Cornish. In France, Brittany rises up. The revolting areas combine and form the Republic of Celtica.
Leftist Scots- "Red Clydesiders" were a largely Unionist group, favouring a pan-British socialist state to any form of Scottish or Celtic nationalism (an ideology which would not become widespread for many decades). They did not see the United Kingdom as an oppressive occupying power state, as most Catholic (and some Protestant) Irish did, nor did they view the English working class as enemies; rather, they saw them as potential comrades in a struggle against the British (not just English) bourgeoisie.

In short, your proposed "Republic of Celtica" is simply not a realistic eventuality. That sort of thing would require a massive build up of pan-Celtic nationalism, which, considering that this ideology was virtually non-existent at the point of divergence, would require a considerably greater period of time to develop than you allow. There was Irish nationalism, alongside limited Scots, Welsh, Breton, etc. nationalism, but they were disunited, and, bar Irish nationalism, a fringe ideology (and in this time line, remember, Irish nationalism has been crippled by the failure of the Irish War of Independence).
Plus, even in 1925, Scotland had more than one "local parliament member". It was, after all, a country of several million, not a small rural county.

Or, if you want to cut back on the details...
(And all semblances of realism fly straight out of the window...)

And American republicans of the 20s (such as Coolidge) were hardcore anti-war isolationist, not gung-ho world policemen.
And Canada was still a dominion of the British crown and highly loyal. They might have stayed out, but never actually declared on Britain.
And Vietnam, newly independant, would have had no army to speak of. Same for so-called Celtica.
And Britain and France wanted nothing more with war after the Great War.
And their manpower had taken a ghastly beating in 1914-1918.

As I said...completely kicking the realism out of the window.

I think I more-or-less brought things back down to a manageable level. Particularly if we pretend Celtica was a loose, informal alliance.

I said I was only going to post a story once, so, just take it away:cool: !

(I am not a very good storywriter. Thus, I only posted once....)

In fact, disregard my widely crazy comments.

I might be interested in this if it was believable alt history going back to Wiggum's post..

I might be interested in this if it was believable alt history going back to Wiggum's post..


By all means, someone take it away

Yeah... now I realize I screwed it up.......... In fact, start over from the year I made from (1926???) DELETE MINE!! (Oh wait, I can do that).

I propose the following

1)You may make a new post if either of these two conditions are met :
-At least three other posters have made story posts since your last story post.
OR
-It has been twenty-four hours since your last post, and at least one other person had made a story post.

2)We rewind back to Crbxkhan's entry where Vietnam became independant, erase everything that came after, and continue down from there.

Mm, I was worried you would be offended because that would erase your effort to retie all the loose ends created by strange things such as the Republic of Celtica.

1 is fine, I'm taking a "got it" post right now.

Chiang Kai-shek's KMT launches the Northern Expedition, aimed at unifying China and destroying weak Japanese backed warlords, who were weakened by Japan's new softer agenda.

However, the Anglo-Japanese alliance quickly grows alarmed, especially when there is news that the KMT's most elite troops have received German expertise and training. Thus, the militant and imperialist factions of Japan, such as the Sakura Group, quickly dispose of the reactionary anti-imperialists, whether it be by public scandal and disgrace or more violent (and yet as underhanded) means. The United States is alarmed and condemns the Anglo-Japanese alliance and subsequent Japanese naval buildup, which surpasses League of Nations limits but is tacitly supported by Britain. However, the popularity of the US isolationist policy holds sway.

With the world economy now booming in the Roaring Twenties, the worker revolts fizzle away. Britain continues to seek to further interests in China and Africa, but does not seek to help France in Indochina nor dissuade Hitler's Germany or Stalin's USSR.

France sends troops to suppress the growing indignation in Southeast Asia, but fails to retake the jungle from the guerillas. French troops continue to occupy major cities.

The Italians continue to practice military exercises which are budget failures and accomplish little. The trains on average run 28 minutes late in Rome...

Just as the world counted on the USSR and Germany to hold each other in check, USSR and Germany sign a friendship treaty and 10 year alliance, and Germany annexes Austria with the support of the Austrian popular vote. There is some condemnation of Nazi thugs on the streets "influencing" the outcome, but international condemnation is quiet and in shock because of the NaziComm alliance. The Czechoslovak government is in panic behind private doors in the cold winter of 1926 as the two behemoths stand at the gates...

Hey, no worry, I'd much rather get this game on the proper road again than hog my precious loose-end-tying.

Anyway.

ASIA

Following several Kuomintang/Communist incidents, Hitler is forced to denounce his support of the KMT to salvage his alliance with Moscow. He nonetheless secretly sends off several officers and weapons to China, under the cover of a purge. Stalin remains unaware, or chose to ignore this.

The western powers, however, do not ignore the incidents (and Japan and England takes a dim view on the sudden appearance of "exiled" german officers among the KMT forces). In August '27, England and Japan occupy Shanghai, with carrier support from HMS Eagle and Hosho. As most of the other western powers were concerned with the events in China and the threat to their concessions (indeed most quietly increased troop presence in their own concessions, even America), they stay silent. Further attempts to retake Shanghai lead to little; the anglo-japanese remains there.

The stalemate in Indochina continues. England and Japan quietly agree to provide France such naval support as she needs.

Late in 1928, Hirohito is crowned as Emperor of Japan.

EUROPE

Benito Mussolini makes a State Visit to Paris just in time to see Charles Lindbergh arrives. In Paris, he meet french politicians and american envoys. Over the next few months, resolutely free market isolationist America, France (scared into electing a rare stable right wing government by the German-Soviet alliance), and Fascist Italy arrives at a treaty whereby they agree to collaborate in intelligence gathering and police activities meant to contain the spread of communism.

Although England and Japan, due to hostility with the United States, do not formally join, they begin quietly collaborating with France and Italy all the same.

Informed of this development, Hitler is said to have laughed in childish delight at the news for several hours.

AMERICA

The United States spend most of 1927 troubled by the Catholic rebellion against the anti-clerical constitution of 1917. The revolt dies down slowly . As 1927 grows into 1928, the rebellion die down, and America enters an election year. The Election proves an easy victory for Republican Herbert Hoover.

MEANWHILE (all historical stuff!)

Trotsky is kicked out of Russia, the Australian parliament has a first meeting, Saudi Arabia becomes independant, the Academy of Motion Pictures is founded, Mickey Mouse is created, Elliot Ness begin cleaning Chicago, and the changeover from silent to talking movies occurs.

At the end of 1928, thus...

Alliances
Anglo-Japanese Alliance : British Empires, Japan, the Dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zaland, South Africa).
Treaty of Mutual Collaboration against Communist Infiltration (Rome-Paris-Washington Axis) : Italy, France, United States.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact : Germany, Soviet Union (Hitler at least planning to turn Stalin into a Commie-Kebab as soon as he can)

Wars
Chinese Civil War : Kuomintang (backed in secret by Germany) vs People's Liberation Army (backed in secret by the Soviet Union)
Indochinese Rebellion : Vietnam rebels vs France (with limited naval support from England and Japan)

Other Conflicts
Shanghai Situation : Kuomintang (no backing) vs Anglo-Japanese alliance. No actual fightin, but high tension.

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'Nuff said.

'Nuff said.

Poland is an SSR... its just chaffing under Stalin's Russian Nationalism like all the other minor SSRs... you want to go next?

As Kraznaya said, everything that happened as a result of the Highly Impossible Post...didn't happen.

Poland, as of right now, is part of the USSR.They have poor odds of rebellion, what with (of the potential supporters) France, Italy and America being very much focused on self-preservation/isolation, English and Japan being busy in China, and Germany being allied with Russia - and Stalin most likely maintaining heavy presence in the newest SSR.

Poor odds of rebellion? HAHA Which country had a major revolt against prussian, austrian and russian rule atleast ounce every decade in the 1700's? :P Even if the odds of success is low, us poles would revolt anyway :D

I'll be back with a version of the story that takes more detail to europe, in particular eastern europe and Poland.

Poor odds of rebellion? HAHA Which country had a major revolt against prussian, austrian and russian rule atleast ounce every decade in the 1700's? :P Even if the odds of success is low, us poles would revolt anyway :D
Yeah, but history has shown us that when the Soviets have all your prominent nationalist executed it takes you 50 years to get round to it. Why should this timeline be any different?

I'll be back with a version of the story that takes more detail to europe, in particular eastern europe and Poland.

Isn't there a rule against cheerleading or godmodding a specific country?

Yes, there is, though I'm not sure TLO intends to break them.

And once every decade means there,s still time for it. It just didn't happen in 1927-28.

If you want to write a polish rebellion, it can happen in 1929-30.

Well yeah, Lastone, take your go at it, just don't forget to include historical events like the Great Depression.

Well...that's up to him, really. Will the great depression necessarily happen this time around? Will it be as bad as it was? Will it begin in 1929. 1930. 1931 or even later?

That has yet to be decided ;-)

For the record, I think the idea of a Polish rebellion this soon is . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Stalin, presumably as tyrannical in this reality as in our one, would have gone to great lengths to stamp out any and all non-Russian nationalism, so the chances of a significant Polish rebellion within decades of our current time period are hugely unlikely.
In our reality, a Polish puppet state- not even an SSR- took fifty years to break free of Soviet control, and that required the economic collapse of the Soviet Union to be successful. Why would this reality- in which Poland is even more thoroughly under the heel of the Kremlin- involve a sudden, inexplicable surge of Polish nationalism?

Well, the Russkies would definitely be the conquering invaders in this scenario, while after WWII it was a matter of debate whether they were liberators or conquerers. Yes, I know Stalin did terrible things to Poles in the real world, including the massacres, the annexation of traditional Polish land, and the destruction of the former system of government; but don't underestimate Red Army propaganda, especially after the Poles had tasted Nazi Germany.

Isn't there a rule against cheerleading or godmodding a specific country?

Yes, but i'm talking about a specific area of europe. Not just 1 country. What i meant is, Soviet affairs, communism, eastern europe etc.

For the record, I think the idea of a Polish rebellion this soon is . .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. Stalin, presumably as tyrannical in this reality as in our one, would have gone to great lengths to stamp out any and all non-Russian nationalism, so the chances of a significant Polish rebellion within decades of our current time period are hugely unlikely.

I agree. That is why a full scale Polish Rebellion is unlikely. But who said it had to be a full scale rebellion?




In our reality, a Polish puppet state- not even an SSR- took fifty years to break free of Soviet control, and that required the economic collapse of the Soviet Union to be successful. Why would this reality- in which Poland is even more thoroughly under the heel of the Kremlin- involve a sudden, inexplicable surge of Polish nationalism?

Remember, Nationalism can be caused in many ways.

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I got a huge Uni project coming up that I just found out today, and won’t be able to write it. But for the next writer, don’t forget all the excitement caused by Alexander I of Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The Lateran Treaty might be of some importance, and somehow include the rise of Polish Nationalism. (I was thinking of the soviets kicking the poles out of Ukraine and more importantly Vilnius. In the years 1920-1939 Poles made up 65% of the population, Jews 28%, 4% Russians, 1% Belarusians 1% Lithuanians. And most of those jews were Polish. So kicking them out might cause some disturbance in Poland)

I feel really bad. I bailed on you guys twice. :(

Well, the Russkies would definitely be the conquering invaders in this scenario, while after WWII it was a matter of debate whether they were liberators or conquerers. Yes, I know Stalin did terrible things to Poles in the real world, including the massacres, the annexation of traditional Polish land, and the destruction of the former system of government; but don't underestimate Red Army propaganda, especially after the Poles had tasted Nazi Germany.

How about we make things different in this story though. When we get to the time before the war, Instead of Poland refusing the treaty germany offered against the soviets, what if Poland accepted it thinkign it was a chance to grab land in Belarus and Ukraine?

Well, except the part where, who would the Nazi negociate that treaty with? ;-)

And of course, that assumes nothing silly happens between now and then.

You know, silly things like Hitler and/or Stalin using their alliance to sneakily undermine the other. With assassins, for example.

Anyway, anyone want to claim since TLO can't do it?

If no one takes it in the next 24 hours I'll get it, don't really want to do an Oda-Me-Oda-Me though.