Not who you predict will, but who you think *should* play, and why.

The #2 team, in my mind, is completely in the air.

Jesus Christ, if you told me any of this would have happened at the beginning of the year I would have

I would have
I would have

jesus freaking christ.

Since it is "should" I will have to say LSU, they have the best resume of all the teams there. But I'd prefer to play USC...though I guess I'll have to wait till September for that.

I went with Hawaii assuming they win tonight. They'd share a win over Washington (OSU's only 'quality' OOC opponent) and have a win over a top 25 team (a very good Boise State). I don't think they could beat LSU head to head, but I think they've had a better season.

edit: on the other hand, Hawaii is loosing 14-0....

Make that 21-0 only 10 minutes into the 1st quarter...

Voted a bit too soon... LSU then!

changed a bit too soon too.

I voted Va Tech. They have 2 quality losses, one of which they rectified and beat BC. They also won their division and look good.

LSU -- no brainer.

if LSU loses the NCG in overtime should they still be #1? ;)

Well they wouldn't be #1 going in . . .

if they were #1 though, and they lost in overtime, split championship?

Ohio State shouldn't play in the national championship. Should be LSU vs USC

if they were #1 though, and they lost in overtime, split championship?

How would that be different than if OSU -- or any other #1 team -- lost in OT?

Ok sorry, my first post was out of anger when I came home and got slapped in the face with the No 1 and No 2 seeds screwing up the scenario again- this year is a perfect argument for a playoff which will never happen because the current BCS picture favors the Big10. Oh, and screw the SEC too for not letting LSU play Georgia.

How would that be different than if OSU -- or any other #1 team -- lost in OT?

just trying to gauge your homorism for LSU. ;)

just trying to gauge your homorism for LSU. ;)

what.

Umm... isn't even an LSU fan.

Ok sorry, my first post was out of anger when I came home and got slapped in the face with the No 1 and No 2 seeds screwing up the scenario again- this year is a perfect argument for a playoff which will never happen because the current BCS picture favors the Big10. Oh, and screw the SEC too for not letting LSU play Georgia.

WVU didnt have to lose today nor did LSU have to lose twice. blame the people that lose for screwing stuff up. USC didnt have to lose stanford. stop blaming the team that lost 1 game and start blaming all the ones that lost 2.

what.

Umm... isn't even an LSU fan.

then he is just a bad sports fan. a close loss is still a loss.

WVU didnt have to lose today nor did LSU have to lose twice. blame the people that lose for screwing stuff up. USC didnt have to lose stanford. stop blaming the team that lost 1 game and start blaming all the ones that lost 2.

The Big10 didn't have to suck this year but it did.

The Big10 didn't have to suck this year but it did.

the entire conference doesn't really factor into all the losses across the board this year. ohio state didnt just lose one game because the big ten "sucked" nor did LSU lose 2 OT games because the SEC is amazing.

both teams lost because of a failure to execute as did every other team this year on at least 2 days of the year.

the entire conference doesn't really factor into all the losses across the board this year. ohio state didnt just lose one game because the big ten "sucked" nor did LSU lose 2 OT games because the SEC is amazing.

both teams lost because of a failure to execute as did every other team this year on at least 2 days of the year.

Great

Now explain why Kansas isn't in.

Great

Now explain why Kansas isn't in.

they lost an important game and didnt play their conference championship game.
maybe kansas should be in the running.

just trying to gauge your homorism for LSU. ;)

I'd prefer Georgia, since they're playing the best football right now among the top teams in the BCS. Or maybe Oklahoma; they're pretty close to a Georgia-level at this point in the season.

But the question was 'ought to', not 'want to'. Specifically mentioned in the OP there actually . . .

BCS is heavily favoured towards the 'big conferences'. I don't give a damn about strength of schedule. I'ts all about the record.

Hawaii is unbeaten. Colt Brennan has been writing NCAA history for the past two years. Hawaii should be in the championship game. I don't care who else gets to be there...

Now I know Hawaii won't be there, which sucks and is the biggest reason why I really don't care about college football. Those damn polls deciding who gets to play for a championship is just nonsense, IMHO...

Hawaii doesn't deserve jack. I'm sure the rest of these teams could go undefeated in a schedule with WAC teams, one halfway decent team, and one middling Pac 10 team.

Give them a Sugar Bowl, but keep them the hell away from the NCG.

Here is my rundown of the teams in no particular order, then a ranking. I'm not including stupid things like "THEY ARE FUN TO WATCH" or "THEY ARE REALLY HAWT RIGHT NOW". It's about merit, not TV ratings...to me at least :p

Georgia Bulldogs

Pros:
-ranked 4th in BCS
-hottest team in college football (moreso than USC)
-beat 4 ranked teams (they were ranked at the moment of playing them)

Cons:
-did not play in Conference title game
-lost to Tennessee (who DID play for it) and South Carolina
-two losses to unranked teams (Tennessee is ranked now, but was not then)
-having the Catamounts of Western Carolina on your schedule is a crime against humanity (but a rite of passage for SEC East teams)

Conclusion: Have fun in your bowl game, maybe even in Pasadena. You don't deserve the NCG game, probably should have beaten Tennessee if you wanted that. Sure there is no set in stone rule for having to play in your conference championship or even winning your conference, but I think once bitten twice shy on this....

Virginia Tech Hokies

Pros:
-beat three ranked teams (ranked at the time of playing them)
-won ACC (4th best conference...maybe)
-have a recent win over a top 15 team that beat them last time

Cons:
-won ACC
-played Ohio, William & Mary, and ECU
-good thing they played LSU to even things out...but they got smashed (48-7, wasnt even that close)
-Atlantic Coast Conference

Conclusion: Should have made a game of it in Tiger Stadium. Considering that its that team they probably have to jump....they should have no shot. They won an inferior conference, they lost to inferior teams, and they were destroyed by 42 points by the team ahead of them. Case closed, have fun in the Orange Bowl.

Kansas Jayhawks

Pros:
-very competative in a good conference (2nd best)
-destroyed who they should have (Nebraska, Okie St, Baylor, Iowa State)

Cons:
-they play in the Big 12, but were unfortunately without Texas or OU
-beat 1 ranked team in KState
-lost to their ONLY test, Missouri
-played Central Michigan, Southeastern Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International, took a game off to play an actual game, then played Baylor

*Jim Rome mode* Auburn and the Citadel think that is a creampuff schedule. Re-diculous. Un-fathomable. In-credible.

-did not play for a conference championship

Conclusion: They are lucky they had a shot. Beating Missouri then Oklahoma was their only shot, and rightfully so. That schedule is pathetic. Nice setup to build up a program, but you should not be awarded a NCG for it.

West Virginia

Pros:
lolz

Cons:
-they made Wannstache look like a good coach (this strategy works in the longterm for them, Pitt probably believes he is now)
-lolz

Ohio State Buckeyes

Pros:
-won Big 10
-beat three ranked teams at the time of playing (Purdue, Penn State, Michigan)
-ranked #1 for 4 weeks
-only 1 loss
-Jim Delaney sacrificed himself for the Big 10's sins, which includes the Big 10 blowing chunks.
-would provide a good opportunity for them to get blown out again.

Cons:
-THE
-OHIO
-STATE
-UNIVERSITY
-don't play Youngstown State.
-Big 10 blows :)
-ranked teams defeated can't sniff the top 25 now (Penn State probably has the best bowl, Alamo here we come!)
-lost to Illinois, the best opponent on their schedule

Conclusion: I can't stress how much the Big 10 has fallen. 1 loss, sure, but when you have no conference championship or...you know...good teams to play against, that should not be too hard if you have a decent team. OSU is decent, but I don't want them in my NCG.

USC Trojans

Pros:
-beat three ranked teams (Nebraska, California, Arizona State)
-won Pac 10 (3rd best conference)
-they look purdy on TV

Cons:
-will play anyone, anywhere. Even if its the mighty Vandals in the Coliseum.
-will lose to anyone, anywhere. Even if its the mighty Cardinal in the Coliseum.
-kinda backed into a conference title when Dixon went out...
-the ranked teams they beat altogether suck (except for the impressive victory against ASU in ASU)

Conclusion: Put USC & OSU in the Rosebowl and give them another media trophy, but don't give them the real thing. Sorry you guys sucked in the middle of the season, that kinda puts you right outside worthiness.

LSU Tigers

Pros:
-beat SIX ranked teams (VT, South Carolina, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee)
-won SEC (best conference)
-played a real team in the OOC schedule and destroyed them

Cons:
-a loss is a loss is a loss, don't give me any "only in regulation" nonsense
-lost late at home in November to an unranked team

Conclusion: Lucky lucky lucky. Most years this would have been the story of a team with incredible amounts of talent failing to live to their potential, but now they have a chance at redemption. They have the best resume.

Oklahoma Sooners

Pros:
-won Big 12 (2nd best conference)
-beat former number #1 twice (double digits both times)
-3 ranked team wins (Texas, Missouri twice)
-did not lose at home
-tried to get a good OOC opponent with Miami

Cons:
-lost to some mediocre teams (Colorado, Texas Tech)
-North Texas & Utah State, tsk tsk
-lost a bit late

Conclusion: Ugh, it pains me to say...Oklahoma looks more worthy, slightly, than OSU or USC. Just go and play your silly little NCG with your silly little coach that could coach circles around Mack Brown :(

What the Bowls should be:

NCG- LSU Tigers vs. Oklahoma Sooners
Rose- USC Trojans vs. Ohio State Buckeyes
Sugar- Georgia Bulldogs vs. Hawaii Warriors
Orange- Virginia Tech Hokies vs. West Virginia Mountaineers
Fiesta- Missouri Tigers vs. Arizona State Sun Devils

What the Bowls will be:

NCG- Ohio State Buckeyes vs. LSU Tigers
Rose- USC Trojans vs. Illinois Fightin' Illini
Sugar- Georgia Bulldogs vs. Hawaii Warriors
Orange- Virginia Tech Hokies vs. West Virginia Mountaineers
Fiesta- Oklahoma Sooners vs. Arizona State Sun Devils

What the Bowls will be:

NCG- Ohio State Buckeyes vs. LSU Tigers
Rose- USC Trojans vs. Illinois Fightin' Illini
Sugar- Georgia Bulldogs vs. Hawaii Warriors
Orange- Virginia Tech Hokies vs. West Virginia Mountaineers
Fiesta- Oklahoma Sooners vs. Arizona State Sun Devils

How'd you reach that conclusion...?

I think LSU should go, and SEC biast in the pollsters will guarentee that.

1. Hawaii has the weakest schedule in the nation and struggled against washington. They definitely deserve a bowl game, but not the national title. They are team #1 to be screwed,

2. Georgia- Didn't get to conference title, but argueably hottest team in nation. Team #2 to be screwed.

3. Kansas- played nobody like hawaii but lost to the only good team they played.

4. LSU- One of only acouple of teams that showed any consistency all year long, and their two losses were still in triple overtime and against pretty good teams (one of whom, Arkansas, has the best/second best Heisman candidate).

5. Virginia Tech- Lost to LSU head-to-head badly early on in the season, but finished strong versus Virginia and Boston College. Team #3 to be screwed over.

6. Oklahoma- A pretty strong case, lost in close games but not quite as good as LSU. Team #4 to be screwed.

7. USC- Another good, solid team that lost close games, including the Dennis Dixon Oregon. Team #5 to be screwed.

8. West Virginia- No way their going with that loss to Pitt.

THose were just off the top of my head, but its time for a tournament

Rose likes its (sometimes) stupid tradition, Illinois is in position to grab that Rose Bowl spot as the Big 10 rep if OSU makes it to the NCG.

I personally would take Georgia against USC, but I think these Rose Bowl guys will take Illinois. They did take Texas over Cal a few years ago, but I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt yet ;)

I have been thoroughly unimpressed with Virginia Tech and Ohio State. They would deserve a spot in a tournament but I would be very disappointed if they made it in the national championship game.

The realistic matchup I'd like to see is LSU vs. Hawaii. I think it's a little absurd that two years in a row, undefeated teams may miss the national championship simply because they played in the non-traditional WAC. Oklahoma looked better than Ohio State last year, so I think Boise State could have beaten the Buckeyes. While Hawaii struggled against Washington, they showed they deserve it. I have a feeling some of these big-name coaches would have just stuck to the gameplan, but Hawaii looked different as the game went on, they made adjustments and came back for a well-deserved win.

OSU was impressive last year before the Florida game...much more so than Oklahoma, who needed a Texas collapse (McCoy injury) to even reach the conference championship.

Boise did not deserve a spot in the NCG last year either. The WAC isn't just non-traditional...its below the Mountain West in terms of conference strength.

And it's easy to forget that last year, Ohio State went to Austin and beat that same Texas team 24-7 whereas Oklahoma lost to them 28-10. Even suggesting that Ohio State wasn't deserving last year is just silly.

Azale is right though on the Rose taking Illinois, they will do what they have to to preserve tradition. However, Kansas may also get in depending on how the ranking shake out. If they pass Georgia for the number 3 spot, they'll get an automatic bid and that'll most likely knock ASU out of a spot.

LSU Tigers

Pros:
-beat SIX ranked teams (VT, South Carolina, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee)
-won SEC (best conference)
-played a real team in the OOC schedule and destroyed them

Cons:
-a loss is a loss is a loss, don't give me any "only in regulation" nonsense
-lost late at home in November to an unranked team

Conclusion: Lucky lucky lucky. Most years this would have been the story of a team with incredible amounts of talent failing to live to their potential, but now they have a chance at redemption. They have the best resume.


Alright, calling South Carolina and Alabama ranked teams is a huge stretch. They are both 6-6 teams and don't forget Alabama lost to Louisiana Monroe. So no, they didn't beat six ranked teams this year. But they do have a good resume. (Don't forget the SEC only went 7-7 against other BCS conferences this year).

Obviously, we need a playoff.

Now, I'm sure, that thanks to the ESPN Hype machine, and the SEC-bias with the pollsters, we're going to see OSU and LSU. However, the team that deserves to be in that spot is Hawaii.

Hawaii has done something that no other team in the country has done. They have found ways to win all of their games, even against teams that aren't nearly as good as they are. LSU should be 13-0, but they choked away games against so-so teams (actually they could be 8-4 too. They're lucky as hell). USC lost to STANFORD, which could be in the bottom half of the WAC. OU dropped a gimme game to Colorado. Va Tech lost by a million.

The Warriors have struggled against teams it should have beaten. So has USC, OU (Iowa St??), Ohio State (Michigan St?), LSU, etc etc.

Because of the geographic location of Hawaii, it is very difficult for them to schedule teams. They had Michigan St. on the schedule...Sparty bought them out. They tried to go play Michigan in the big house...they opted for Appy State, and we know how that turned out. They tried to play USC, the Trojans opted for Idaho.

These teams KNEW the Warriors were a good football team, and bailed. What do you expect them to do, when nobody will play them? The Warriors can't make Fresno St and Nevada better!

In a typical season, I'd say the Warriors ought to be happy with the sugar bowl. However, we're about to send an overrated, 2 loss team over perfection...and not just perfection, but a team with one of the best quarterbacks to ever play college football. Ohio State and Hawaii would be an awesome game. One of the best QBs (and WR corps) in College Football against one of the scariest pass rushes and secondaries. Beanie Wells against a pretty good Warrior linebacking Corps. David vs Goliath. It would make a great story...and if the Warriors fall...then we know where the midmajors belong.

Whats the harm in letting them try? Because we know, the way this season is going, they might win, and thus, we'd be wrong about everything?

Redfusion's BCS bowl projections:

NCG: Ohio State vs. LSU
Rose Bowl: USC vs. Illinois
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. Hawaii
Sugar: Georgia vs. Kansas
Orange: Virginia Tech vs. West Virginia

If you let Hawaii play, and they win, you more or less just destroyed the BCS system.

A lot of coaches like the BCS. Harris only matters because of the BCS....

@red fusion, your kidding with Kansas in the Rose right? Don't you think Missouri still has a shot at something? I would think Mizzou, Georgia, and Illinois are all more attractive than Kansas. Put Georgia in the game and you might even have the AP Championship :p

Hawaii doesn't deserve anything...as reflected by their ranking. It's a shame that Hawaii or Boise would need to go to other major teams places to play them, or have to hope for 3 loss teams all infront of them...but hey, it's supposed to be about awarding the most deserving team.

They deserve BCS recognition. They do not deserve title recognition.

Hawaii would beat Illinois though ;)

So if Hawaii beats whomever, like Boise State last year, will we have another discussion about what should have been?

So if Hawaii beats whomever, like Boise State last year, will we have another discussion about what should have been?

We're going to have one anyway, hopefully the AP rebels and picks another champion and tries to crash the BCS (again).

rose bowl please please please pick georgia over illinois

AP top 5: OSU, LSU, Georgia, OU, Va Tech

I'm not including stupid things like "THEY ARE FUN TO WATCH" or "THEY ARE REALLY HAWT RIGHT NOW". It's about merit, not TV ratings...to me at least :p

Is that so?


Georgia Bulldogs

Pros:
...

-hottest team in college football (moreso than USC)

...

@red fusion, your kidding with Kansas in the Rose right? Don't you think Missouri still has a shot at something? I would think Mizzou, Georgia, and Illinois are all more attractive than Kansas. Put Georgia in the game and you might even have the AP Championship :p

Hawaii doesn't deserve anything...as reflected by their ranking. It's a shame that Hawaii or Boise would need to go to other major teams places to play them, or have to hope for 3 loss teams all infront of them...but hey, it's supposed to be about awarding the most deserving team.

They deserve BCS recognition. They do not deserve title recognition.

Hawaii would beat Illinois though ;)

Kansas in the Rose??? You misinterpret what I said, I meant that Kansas might get into a BCS bowl spot, definitely not the Rose though. But unfortunately I don't think Mizzou has a shot at anything but the Cotton bowl.

-THE
-OHIO
-STATE
-UNIVERSITY
-don't play Youngstown State.

You do know why Tressel scheduled that game right? He used to be Youngstown State's Head Coach, and when he left for OSU, he promised them he would schedule them to give them a big game. It took him six years, but he finally fulfilled his promise.

Plus Tressel is a big supporter of keeping the money in your home state, which is why Tressel plays mostly Ohio schools in non-conference. Get your facts straight before trying to bash Tressel for scheduling cupcakes.

As for who has the best resume to play the Buckeyes in New Orleans, I'm going to go with LSU. Despite the fact that LSU has looked VERY mediocre the last six weeks, they still have the most impressive schedule of the other conference champs in the running (I'm not including the Buckeyes in this assessment, since they are a lock). For those who say Georgia, Kansas, or Hawaii; I just have to say no. Georgia and Kansas are out, because if you can't win your conference, you have no business playing for the National Championship. Hawaii is a no go, for the simple fact that they only played one BCS school this season (Wasington) and they are not in a BCS conference. Couple that with the cupcakes they played all season and their shoddy defense (they score a lot, but give up a lot as well) and they have no case whatsoever for the National Championship, unbeaten or not.

How'd you reach that conclusion...?

Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed this.

He reaches that conclusion because the Big Ten Champ always plays in the Rose Bowl no matter what. However, if the Big Ten Champ is playing in the National Championship, then the number two team in the Big Ten takes the champ's place in the Rose Bowl. Since Illinois is that number two, they get a free pass to the Rose Bowl. Such is the advantage of playing in a BCS conference

Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed this.

He reaches that conclusion because the Big Ten Champ always plays in the Rose Bowl no matter what. However, if the Big Ten Champ is playing in the National Championship, then the number two team in the Big Ten takes the champ's place in the Rose Bowl. Since Illinois is that number two, they get a free pass to the Rose Bowl. Such is the advantage of playing in a BCS conference

Explain to me all the Pac-10 teams that got screwed when USC was going to the NCG.

@commodore, that might be true but Youngstown is still a cupcake and it does not help their schedule strength.

@commodore, that might be true but Youngstown is still a cupcake and it does not help their schedule strength.

Agreed, I wasn't really happy about the game either. I was just trying to point out that it 's not like OSU just goes out and schedules easy teams to pad their win column like some others do (*cough* *cough* Kansas, Hawaii *cough*).

@Kraznaya: There are exceptions when it comes to the Rose Bowl, but for the most part, they always try to make it a PAC 10 vs. Big Ten game. Sometimes they just won't put a PAC 10 or Big Ten team in if they are not the champion and there are much better teams out there. This might exclude Illinois this year, but with Illinois being ranked and number two in the Big Ten, their pretty much a shoe-in for the Rose Bowl this year. Although, Illinois will probably get soundly trounced by USC if they do go.

Agreed, I wasn't really happy about the game either. I was just trying to point out that it 's not like OSU just goes out and schedules easy teams to pad their win column like some others do (*cough* *cough* Kansas, Hawaii *cough*).


Yeah, we kind of do. Sure, we like to keep the money in-state and everything, but thats really only because no other college in Ohio is ever a threat to beat us. Losing an instate game would be a recruiting disaster, and we're going to make sure it doesn't happen. Cincinnati, after we play them again in the next year or two, might be taking a break from our schedule, so we can get back to playing Kent St and Bowling Green.

Hawaii played cupcakes because they COULD NOT GET OTHER GAMES. We play cupcakes to keep the money in state...and break in new players.

Also, in the next 6 years, Ohio State is playing Army and New Mexico St out of conference. We've also played San Deigo St and San Jose st and Rice. We do cross country cupcakes too.

Hawaii, just to screw with everyone. :p

But it appears selections are to happen shortly. Something for my quite mild interest (and lack of understanding at times) of college football to notice.

ASU and Mizzou just got friggin screwed.

I dont know who they should play, but Hawaii has earned the right. The BCS was supposed to give smaller schools a chance and with a 12-0 season combined with the inability of any other 2 teams to dominate Hawaii deserves it

I wanna see that offense go up against someone really good

But they're going to the Sugar Bowl to play...

who dat? They should get the #4 team

USC v Illinois >>> USC
Oklahoma v West Virginia >>> Oklahoma
Virginia Tech v Kansas >>> VT
Hawaii v Georgia >>> Hawaii
LSU v OSU >>> LSU

ASU and Mizzou just got friggin screwed.

ASU's quality win was....?

ASU and Mizzou just got friggin screwed.

Missouri gets Arkansas in Cotton

ASU gets Texas in Holiday

ASU's quality win was....?

Surviving the Pac-10 gauntlet outside of USC and Dixon led Oregon. What exactly did Illinois do to rid themselves of 3 Big-10 losses?

All the slots are filled--time for the annual Bowl pick'm thread :D

ASU and Mizzou just got friggin screwed.

I don't think ASU has a case but Missouri should . .. .. .. .. . about Kansas and their 109th rated schedule ahead of them

Missouri just got royally screwed...oh my would I be mad if I was Gary Pinkel.

Oh, and stupidity (aka tradition) reigns over common sense. USC vs. Georgia...epic, basically a second NCG...but no, they take an above average, 3 loss Big 10 team. USC will smash them and we'll all wonder what Georgia could have done.

@Kraznaya, Illinois lost 1 to Missouri, so it was 2 Big 10 losses. That's 2 too many.

Surviving the Pac-10 gauntlet outside of USC and Dixon led Oregon. What exactly did Illinois do to rid themselves of 3 Big-10 losses?
They beat the number 1 team in the nation. Has ASU beaten a ranked team?

That gauntlet doesn't even have enough bowl eligible teams to fill its ties. Honestly, outside of Oregon (with dixon), and USC..who's good? UCLA got drilled by Utah and Norte Dame, Cal has been free falling...and everybody else is belong .500. Color me unimpressed. They'll lose the Holiday bowl to Texas.

They beat the number 1 team in the nation. Has ASU beaten a ranked team?

That gauntlet doesn't even have enough bowl eligible teams to fill its ties. Honestly, outside of Oregon (with dixon), and USC..who's good? UCLA got drilled by Utah and Norte Dame, Cal has been free falling...and everybody else is belong .500. Color me unimpressed. They'll lose the Holiday bowl to Texas.

Ohio State is definitely not the No 1 team in the nation and LSU will see to that.


Illinois lost to Michigan, who lost by 31 to Oregon at home. Its absolutely ridiculous that a 3 loss Big-10 team got picked over a 2 loss Pac-10 team.

Ohio State is definitely not the No 1 team in the nation and LSU will see to that.


Illinois lost to Michigan, who lost by 31 to Oregon at home. Its absolutely ridiculous that a 3 loss Big-10 team got picked over a 2 loss Pac-10 team.

Transitive Property of Football =/= good science.

USC lost to Stanford, who lost to Notre Dame...who beat UCLA. What kind of conference is that?? At least in the Big 10, most of our teams have winning records.

Don't like it, get a playoff.

Nobody in the media is going to give Ohio State any kind of chance at all...just like Florida in 2006, and OSU in 2002. Anything can happen.

Arizona State & Mizzou >>> Illinois & Kansas

That is all for this thread.

Transitive Property of Football =/= good science.

USC lost to Stanford, who lost to Notre Dame...who beat UCLA. What kind of conference is that?? At least in the Big 10, most of our teams have winning records.
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Discounting ASU's wins is transitive as well... so everyone uses it. Quit complaining. Winning records? Pac-10 is tough and goes round robin, while Big-10 doesn't go round robin, and plays I-AA and MAC. Don't give me that.

Discounting ASU's wins is transitive as well... so everyone uses it. Quit complaining. Winning records? Pac-10 is tough and goes round robin, while Big-10 doesn't go round robin, and plays I-AA and MAC. Don't give me that.

I know I used transitive..to show how its stupid. The PAC-10 also plays lower tier WAC (Idaho, San Jose St = Kent St, Akron Western Campus)

I'm not whining. I think all of this is fair, except I think Missouri should be in over Kansas. ASU doesn't deserve a BCS slot.

I know I used transitive..to show how its stupid. The PAC-10 also plays lower tier WAC (Idaho, San Jose St = Kent St, Akron Western Campus)

I'm not whining. I think all of this is fair, except I think Missouri should be in over Kansas. ASU doesn't deserve a BCS slot.

So who does over ASU?

So who does over ASU?

Illinois. Let us compare.

ASU's schedule:
09/01 San Jose St W 45-3
09/08 Colorado W 33-14
09/15 SDSU W 34-13
09/22 Oregon St W 44-32
09/29 at Stanford W 41-3
10/06 at Wash St W 23-20
10/13 Washington W 44-20
10/27 #21 California W 31-20
11/03 at #5 Oregon L 35-23
11/10 at UCLA W 24-20
11/22 #11 USC L 44-24
12/01 Arizona W 20-17

So, they're best victory was over Cal, who was ranked 21st at the time (good job), but now is 6-6. Oregon St is a decent win...but they also beat some pretty bad teams by the skin of their teeth.

Illinois.

09/01 Missouri L 40-34
09/08 W Illinois W 21-0
09/15 at Syracuse W 41-20
09/22 at Indiana W 27-14
09/29 #21 Penn State W 27-20
10/06 #5 Wisconsin W 31-26
10/13 at Iowa L 10-6
10/20 #25 Michigan L 27-17
10/27 Ball St W 28-17
11/03 at Minnesota W 44-17
11/10 at #1 Ohio St W 28-21
11/17 N'western W 41-22
01/01 vs #7 USC 4:30 PM

These guys beat two top 5 teams this year! (Wisconsin is still in the top 25). They have one awful loss...and then they dropped close games to Michigan and former number one missouri. Respectable.

Plus, the Rose Bowl wants that traditional matchup.

Illinois. Let us compare.

ASU's schedule:
09/01 San Jose St W 45-3
09/08 Colorado W 33-14
09/15 SDSU W 34-13
09/22 Oregon St W 44-32
09/29 at Stanford W 41-3
10/06 at Wash St W 23-20
10/13 Washington W 44-20
10/27 #21 California W 31-20
11/03 at #5 Oregon L 35-23
11/10 at UCLA W 24-20
11/22 #11 USC L 44-24
12/01 Arizona W 20-17

So, they're best victory was over Cal, who was ranked 21st at the time (good job), but now is 6-6. Oregon St is a decent win...but they also beat some pretty bad teams by the skin of their teeth.

Illinois.

09/01 Missouri L 40-34
09/08 W Illinois W 21-0
09/15 at Syracuse W 41-20
09/22 at Indiana W 27-14
09/29 #21 Penn State W 27-20
10/06 #5 Wisconsin W 31-26
10/13 at Iowa L 10-6
10/20 #25 Michigan L 27-17
10/27 Ball St W 28-17
11/03 at Minnesota W 44-17
11/10 at #1 Ohio St W 28-21
11/17 N'western W 41-22
01/01 vs #7 USC 4:30 PM

These guys beat two top 5 teams this year! (Wisconsin is still in the top 25). They have one awful loss...and then they dropped close games to Michigan and former number one missouri. Respectable.

Plus, the Rose Bowl wants that traditional matchup.

You've got to be kidding me. Everyone knows that Wisconsin is vastly overrated to start the season, as was most of the Big-10. Not only are you saying Illinois has a tougher schedule, but you're saying that the schedule is tough enough to warrant having one more loss. No no no. You're obviously just trying to justify how Ohio State lost to this team. Try finding someone that'll agree with Illinois > ASU outside of the Big-10 and corrupt Rose Bowl officials.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. You can plug your ears and chant overrated again and again, but the math doesn't lie. Even if Wisconsin was overanked to start the season, they're still in the top 25. Illinois has beaten the number one team in the country (I'm sorry you don't like it, but thats what the polls and the BCS computers all say), and several other ranked teams and teams with winning records.

Arizona state hasn't. They don't have any quality wins. You keep talking about this tough Pac-10...but these tough teams all have losing records! USC, Dixon's Oregon...they're great teams, but ASU didnt beat either of them! Furthermore, it is played poorly in several of its victories. I'm not trying to rationalize Ohio State at all...The buckeyes are a much better team than Illinois, and there was no excuse for losing that game.

I do believe that if you are able to upset the number 1 team in the country on the road, *and* if you started the season unranked...you ought to have a little leeway. Beating Ohio State makes up for losing to Iowa. If ASU had beaten USC and lost to say, Oregon St, they would have a more compelling resume.

I'm doing arguing this though.

Playoffs NAO. That's the only real valid thing to be gleaned from all of this.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. You can plug your ears and chant overrated again and again, but the math doesn't lie. Even if Wisconsin was overanked to start the season, they're still in the top 25. Illinois has beaten the number one team in the country (I'm sorry you don't like it, but thats what the polls and the BCS computers all say), and several other ranked teams and teams with winning records.

Arizona state hasn't. They don't have any quality wins. You keep talking about this tough Pac-10...but these tough teams all have losing records! USC, Dixon's Oregon...they're great teams, but ASU didnt beat either of them! Furthermore, it is played poorly in several of its victories. I'm not trying to rationalize Ohio State at all...The buckeyes are a much better team than Illinois, and there was no excuse for losing that game.

I do believe that if you are able to upset the number 1 team in the country on the road, *and* if you started the season unranked...you ought to have a little leeway. Beating Ohio State makes up for losing to Iowa. If ASU had beaten USC and lost to say, Oregon St, they would have a more compelling resume.

I'm doing arguing this though.

even though youre right, he wont be satisfied until the big ten is div-aa

then he is just a bad sports fan. a close loss is still a loss.

:confused: He didn't say anything about how close the losses were. You did. How is he a bad sports fan for thinking LSU should be the two-loss team in the NCG? Because he said it was a no-brainer? How do you even know what his reasons for saying LSU are? It seems like you think "he is just a bad sports fan" because he disagrees with you. That's dumb. If that's not why, please enlighten us.

As for your pick: Va Tech. In a heads-up game against another team being discussed they were spanked 48-7. They are eliminated from discussion. Sorry, thanks for playing, Ole Miss put up more of a fight. ;)

Yeah, we kind of do. Sure, we like to keep the money in-state and everything, but thats really only because no other college in Ohio is ever a threat to beat us. Losing an instate game would be a recruiting disaster, and we're going to make sure it doesn't happen. Cincinnati, after we play them again in the next year or two, might be taking a break from our schedule, so we can get back to playing Kent St and Bowling Green.

Hawaii played cupcakes because they COULD NOT GET OTHER GAMES. We play cupcakes to keep the money in state...and break in new players.

Also, in the next 6 years, Ohio State is playing Army and New Mexico St out of conference. We've also played San Deigo St and San Jose st and Rice. We do cross country cupcakes too.

True, we schedule cupcakes, but we also schedule more BCS schools than most other programs do. We just did a home-and-home with Texas, and we have a home-and-home with USC starting next season. Plus, even though the Big Ten wasn't really that good this season, it usually is a very strong conference. As Jim Rome said, the SEC is tough, but for the most part, in the Big Ten you are playing a bowl eligable team week in and week out.

As for Hawaii, they can get games, they just don't want to. I mean look at how their defense gets shredded by the teams they play now. What do you think would happen, if they played a Florida, LSU, or USC. Another problem for Hawaii, is they try to play as many home hgames as possible. I know every college team does that, but due to geogrphical location, Hawaii is going to have to go on the road more than other teams. Let us also not forget that a lot of teams won't play Hawaii because of the way they are treated when they go there. I know for the last seven years, the Bearcats have been unwilling to go play Hawaii because last time they played, Hawaii fans threw things at them and the Hawaii players would viciously taunt them constantly. The Bearcats aren't the only team that have reported this kind of behavior from the Warriors either. So basically, if Hawaii wants to play better teams they have to be more willing to go on the road, and they need to clean up their act and show a little more class on the field.

As an aside, why is it that almost everyone in the national media blasts Ohio State for their schedule, but not anyone else? You never hear about LSU (just to use them as an example) playing Middle Tennessee State or Tulane. Oh, but let Ohio State go out and play Youngstown State or Akron and they get crucified. The fact remains that EVERY team schedules cupcakes, but for some reason it is only wrong when OSU does it. Let us not forget that this season was also supposed to be a rebuilding year for the Buckeyes; so yeah, they are going to schedule lower caliber opponents than they normally do.

:confused: He didn't say anything about how close the losses were. You did. How is he a bad sports fan for thinking LSU should be the two-loss team in the NCG? Because he said it was a no-brainer? How do you even know what his reasons for saying LSU are? It seems like you think "he is just a bad sports fan" because he disagrees with you. That's dumb. If that's not why, please enlighten us.

As for your pick: Va Tech. In a heads-up game against another team being discussed they were spanked 48-7. They are eliminated from discussion. Sorry, thanks for playing, Ole Miss put up more of a fight. ;)

take away that one loss to BC from va tech and there wouldn't be a discussion. i think the tit for tat nature of the BC games this season did that for me.

i think its the fact he would give a split championship to any #1 team that lost in overtime. a loss is a loss is a loss in a championship game.

take away that one loss to BC from va tech and there wouldn't be a discussion.
a loss is a loss is a loss

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He is also contradicting in his support of this plus his support of the Illinois>ASU.

There are quite a few Ohio State fans here, who seem to love the under dog role and feel the media is all against them- and saying anything won't change that, but don't you think the national media feels betrayed after hyping OSU and the Big-10 so relentlessly last year?

They didn't hype the Big 10 last year...they hyped Ohio State and Michigan, and rightfully so, because they were outstanding football teams. (although they both choked in bowls)

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how is that confusing. if we did x, y would happen. we didnt do x though.

*bump*

I'll like to take this opportunity to laugh all the fools who picked Hawaii..

...or Arizona St? :)

"Sweet Clive, laugh derisively at him."

"Heh heh. Heh heh heh heh."

...or Arizona St? :)

Hey, I'm sure A-State could beat Hawaii ;)

how is that confusing. if we did x, y would happen. we didnt do x though.

You say VT over LSU because "if we [VT] did x [not lose to BC], then y [VT in the NCG]". That's confusing. It makes no sense. Especially in the light of your reason against LSU; "a loss is a loss is a loss."

You say VT over LSU because "if we [VT] did x [not lose to BC], then y [VT in the NCG]". That's confusing. It makes no sense. Especially in the light of your reason against LSU; "a loss is a loss is a loss."

god, you don't know how to process a hypothetical situation, do you?

You don't know how to use capital letters. :mischief:

OR REALIZE THAT BY VIRTUE OF A 42 POINT LOSS TO THE TEAM IN QUESTION, VT IS ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATED.

I mean, LSU was inconsistent all year long and rarely put away teams it should. Hell, Tulane stuck around for a half. VT stood no chance though, from the very beginning, and as we saw...VT could not even beat the third best (maybe fourth best depending on how much you like Texas) team from the Big 12.

god, you don't know how to process a hypothetical situation, do you?

Hypothetical situations I get. What I don't get is how you use a hypothetical situation to overturn an actual situation. You are saying we should have VT playing for a national title over LSU because IF VT HAD NOT LOST TO BC IT WOULDN'T MATTER THAT THEY LOST TO LSU. That's silly... and contradictory when considering your beef with LSU playing for the title; IF YOU LOSE, YOU LOSE, END OF STORY.

So, we're suppose to forgive VT losing to LSU because they split the series with BC and thus are more worthy than LSU who stomped them and have an identical record after a more difficult schedule. That's RE-DIC-U-LOUS. :mad:

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Hypothetical situations I get. What I don't get is how you use a hypothetical situation to overturn an actual situation. You are saying we should have VT playing for a national title over LSU because IF VT HAD NOT LOST TO BC IT WOULDN'T MATTER THAT THEY LOST TO LSU. That's silly... and contradictory when considering your beef with LSU playing for the title; IF YOU LOSE, YOU LOSE, END OF STORY.

So, we're suppose to forgive VT losing to LSU because they split the series with BC and thus are more worthy than LSU who stomped them and have an identical record after a more difficult schedule. That's RE-DIC-U-LOUS. :mad:

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No, VT was 2 loss team. they lost to LSU and BC. If they had only lost to LSU they should have gone to the title game. Do you still not get that? How many ways can I break this down for you before you understand that the correct decision was made, but if circumstances were different in the first game between BC and VT I would have a bone to pick about the BCS game.

No, VT was 2 loss team. they lost to LSU and BC. If they had only lost to LSU they should have gone to the title game. Do you still not get that? How many ways can I break this down for you before you understand that the correct decision was made, but if circumstances were different in the first game between BC and VT I would have a bone to pick about the BCS game.

I'm glad you can admit what all of us have now seen. (and before the game, I will add.) However, you claimed that VT should have been there based on a hypothetical situation. I think you are an idiot. Based on actual event LSU is better than VT. END OF STORY....

I'm glad you can admit what all of us have now seen. (and before the game, I will add.) However, you claimed that VT should have been there based on a hypothetical situation. I think you are an idiot. Based on actual event LSU is better than VT. END OF STORY....

:lol: having you call me an idiot is a badge of honor.