Mitchell is talking right now. Pretty interesting stuff.

Here's the report

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

wow - I had heard it would be a bad day in the bronx, but I didn't expect to read names like Knoblauch and Justice.

Ohs noes, not Tim Laker and Steve Woodard!!! Say it ain't so:(

9 Yankees on 2000 championship team named

As if we needed another reason to hate the Yankees.

Roger Clemens? Really? This dissapoints me.

I'm not completely taken by surprise by anyone else, except maybe Andy Petitte, Albert Pujols, and Nook Logan.

Pujols is not in the report, despite early reports that he was in it. You can do a search of the report yourself for his name, you won't find it mentioned once.

No Mcguire-no sosa

This is depressing, not only for the Yankees, but the amount of other players named also.

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646)

Players listed in the Mitchell Commission report

ESPN.com

Updated: December 13, 2007, 4:09 PM ET

According to the Mitchell Commission report, here are players mentioned and how they are linked to performance enhancing substances:

Information Learned During this Investigation Concerning BALCO and Major League Baseball (8 players/ 3 active in MLB in 2007)
From the report: "I requested interviews of all the major league players who had been publicly implicated in the BALCO case."

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde


Information Regarding Purchases or Use of Performance Enhancing Substances by Players in Major League Baseball (53 players/ 18 active in MLB in 2007)
From the report: "The following discussion is organized in roughly chronological order. Records do not exist to document every transaction described by witnesses. [Kirk] Radomski stated that, with one exception noted below, the payments he received from professional baseball players were for performance enhancing substances, as opposed to personal training or other services, and this assertion was confirmed by those players who agreed to speak with us about their dealings with him."

Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier "Nook" Logan


Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball (16 players, 8 active in MLB in 2007)
From the report: "Since the initial news reports of the raid by New York and Florida law enforcement officials on Signature Pharmacy and several rejuvenation centers, the names of several current and former major league players have appeared in the media as alleged purchasers of performance enhancing substances through these operations. These include:"

Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
David Bell
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

Jesus....

Here is a list of names from the report, courtesy of Yahoo

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjvOk5W9L2IYWHQkJ.6EjWE5nYcB?slug=ys-mitchellnames121307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

I only see one real Phillie on the list- Dykstra... no wonder everyone has kicked their butts for 10+ years :mischief: .


Curious to see the list by team, seems like a high number of Yankees, A's and Orioles :eek: . What other teams are sticking out to you guys :scan: .

Pujols was mentioned in the news conference from what I hear (I did not see it.) I'm probably wrong, I just realized the poster of the list I was looking at did at 1 PM.

This is depressing, not only for the Yankees, but the amount of other players named also.



Jesus....

You figure 100 players ( majors & minors ) failed tests in 2003 alone--most of them are not on the list.

Curious to see the list by team, seems like a high number of Yankees, A's and Orioles :eek: . What other teams are sticking out to you guys :scan: .I don't think they have a high number of ex-players on there, but Houston's got the blow of native sons Clemens and Pettitte plus the trade for Tejada.

You figure 100 players ( majors & minors ) failed tests in 2003 alone--most of them are not on the list.

Definitely all that as well.

An interesting article in this morning's New York Times.

link (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/sports/baseball/14george.html?_r=1&oref=slogin) (may require free login)

A Tough Investigator Calmly Defends His Work

By RICHARD SANDOMIR
Published: December 14, 2007

George J. Mitchell loves baseball and once hoped to be commissioner in the 1990s, but the closest he got was the board of the Boston Red Sox, where he now sits.

That connection raises a simple question: did his membership in Red Sox Nation color his investigation into the use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball and lead to the paucity of Red Sox and the abundance of former and current Yankees implicated in his report?

As with everything else in his public life — as a prosecutor, federal judge, United States senator from Maine, Senate Majority leader and a broker for peace in Northern Ireland — Mitchell projected a careful, meticulous and diplomatic style.

“I have not in 40 years seen George lose it,” said Berl Bernhard, a law partner of Mitchell’s at DLA Piper and a friend since the 1960s when they worked for Senator Edmund Muskie, the Maine Democrat. “The challenges that have confronted George have not given him the luxury of being irresponsibly high or low.”

At his news conference Thursday in a packed Manhattan ballroom, Mitchell, 74, defended how his investigation ended up naming more Yankees than Red Sox.

“The investigation did not focus on any one club or any one player,” he said, adding that Kirk Radomski — a critical witness who was a former Mets clubhouse attendant and a supplier of performance-enhancing drugs to players from 1995 to 2005 — “lived in New York and as a result dealt with more players from New York. We did not select Kirk Radomski or the players he dealt with. We just asked him to tell us what happened.”

Brian McNamee, a former personal trainer to Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte, implicated both pitchers in his statements to investigators: Clemens for using steroids and human growth hormone and Pettitte, who earlier this week agreed to return to the Yankees for one season, for using H.G.H.

In a reference to his role in the peace talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland in 1998, Mitchell said he faced doubt about his fairness then because he was an American, a Catholic and the grandson of Irish immigrants.

“The criticism I received there was far more harsh and intense than anything I got here,” he said. “But I didn’t quit. I stayed with it, and eventually we got a peace agreement.”

He added that there was no pro-Red Sox bias in the report, which includes accusations about Mo Vaughn during his post-Boston tenure with the Mets, and Eric Gagné, who played for Boston last season and recently signed with the Milwaukee Brewers.

“Judge me by my work,” Mitchell said. “Read the report.”

He recalled his time in Northern Ireland when he recommended that the players named in the report not be punished by Selig, except in the most serious cases. The transgressions are several years old, and more than half of those implicated are no longer active, he said.

“I learned that letting go of the past and looking to the future is a very hard, but necessary, step toward dealing with an ongoing problem,” Mitchell said.

He could have looked back on a very different past had he not turned down President Bill Clinton, who wanted him to replace Harry A. Blackmun on the Supreme Court in 1994.

“I believe that after being commissioner of baseball, he deeply would have liked to have been on the Supreme Court,” said Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska who is the president of the New School. “We didn’t think he was crazy. Those of us who were there thought it was a noble gesture to turn down the Supreme Court.”

Had he not disappointed Clinton, and then left the Senate after not running for re-election in 1994, he probably would not have helped bring peace to Northern Ireland, led the three-month investigation into the bribery scandal that revolved around Salt Lake City’s successful bid to hold the 2002 Winter Olympics, or become the chairman of the Walt Disney Company, a position he retired from at the end of last year.

When he delivered his Olympic findings and prescription for reform in early 1999, Mitchell cited a “culture of improper gift-giving” that had become endemic to the Olympic movement and he blamed the United States Olympic Committee for its lack of oversight of the bid.

With the Olympics’ institutional crisis as an example from his past, Mitchell described a broad-based failure by baseball commissioners, team and union officials, and players to deal quickly with the growth of illicit performance-enhancing drugs.

“There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged,” he said. “As a result, an environment developed in which illegal use became widespread.”

Mitchell offered no rhetorical flourishes Thursday. He deflected questions that he deemed outside his investigative purview and left the lectern in less than an hour.

“George has trained himself not to luxuriate in drama,” Bernhard said.

Roger Clemens? Really? This dissapoints me.

I'm not completely taken by surprise by anyone else, except maybe Andy Petitte, Albert Pujols, and Nook Logan.

Really? Surprised by Clemens? Ever since the 70 homerun seasons I thought he was a candidate... how else could he pitch like that into his mid forties? Gagne for sure, such a hard throwing pitcher who got injured - probably because he temporarily went off the juice.

I only see one real Phillie on the list- Dykstra... no wonder everyone has kicked their butts for 10+ years :mischief: .


Now I know how he almost singlehandledly beat one of the top 3 offensive teams of all time in the World Series :scan:

still Dykstra = one of the best players ever

i remember them mentioning dykstra way back when (in '93-'94) that he was on 'roids. no surprise there although it's disappointing.

todd pratt was on the list, too, as far as phila phils are concerned.

ryan franklin was another former phil, too. and then there was jason grimsley but he was a phil a long while ago before all of this went down.

todd pratt was on the list, too, as far as phila phils are concerned.

ryan franklin was another former phil, too. and then there was jason grimsley but he was a phil a long while ago before all of this went down.


Didn't Pratt play for about 15 different teams though? Franklin and Grimsley
were well traveled players too, I was speaking of guys I considered true Phils.
Even though Lenny was a true Phil, I'll always say it was the Mets that corrupted him :lol: .

yes :lol: yes :lol: i agree.

that waste of flesh, David Bell, was named, too.

Benny Santiago and Bobby Estelella as well.

and how much more ridiculous does Lo Duca look now that the cat's out of the bag...that guy should be strung up...weasel that he is.

Really? Surprised by Clemens? Ever since the 70 homerun seasons I thought he was a candidate... how else could he pitch like that into his mid forties? Gagne for sure, such a hard throwing pitcher who got injured - probably because he temporarily went off the juice.

The same way Nolan Ryan did among other pitchers.

there was one passage in the Report about Benito Santiago. it was said that writers from one of the SF rags were coming into the clubhouse and wanted to 'test' a few of Giants players for steroid use. and Santiago is said to have "ran" out of the clubhouse :lol: but returned 20 minutes later...

Well, well, well...

:)

I've been waiting for this report to come out for a long, long time. And very little of it surprises me.

the names really didn't surprise me that much either. it was the lurid details that shocked me (buttocks injections, shadowy dealings/radomski, and the middle men like that scumbag lo duca and segui). they should make a friggin' movie out of that report!

And even the list of players named in the Mitchell report is the tip of the iceberg as far as players, past and present, who have used and who are using.

And the managers who turned a blind eye, because they wanted to win a division... or at least not finish in last place and get fired.

And the general managers and owners who wanted to draw fans with this suddenly more productive power hitter.

There's a very interesting excerpt from the Mitchell Report reprinted in the New York Times today. It's a quote from a general manager or somebody of that nature, talking about Lo Duca, presumably in the Dodgers organization since that's where he played at the time, and it was discussing his past use or his pattern of use, in regards to trade talks, casually, as though it were any other part of a scouting report or disclosure about a guy he wanted to trade. "Doesn't hit curveballs from lefties well, batting average with runners in scoring position is 30 points higher than normal, and he'll juice up in the last year of his contract." [I'm paraphrasing. But check the article out. Seriously.]

That's just a taste of how deep this runs, and how pervasive use is.

Not only are lots of guys using... But lots of suits have spent years passively encouraging it, or pretending it wasn't happening, or just counting the money they raked in.

No Mcguire-no sosa

sosa was corking :)

The same way Nolan Ryan did among other pitchers.

Different eras. Clemens has pitched in a league/time period in which a lot of the hitters were juicing. Hell Clemens has been superhumanly effective up until very recently. Is it really that surprising he juiced? "They say" more pitchers were on anabolics than hitters.

That's just a taste of how deep this runs, and how pervasive use is.


Look at it this way: in cycling, everyone juices. In many Olympic disciplines, people juice (Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson etc). In ultimate fighting, most juice. In bodybuilding, everyone juices to the extreme. So if steroids/growth hormone can actually help you in your sport, there's a good chance everyone at the world class level will be using - otherwise you won't be able to keep up with the competition. The pervasive model is already present in other sports, and we're learning it's in baseball too.

Pettitte admits he was on HGH, it wasn't illegel till 2005. I bet alot of these guys will "admit" to HGH and say "hey it wasn't illegel then"

Pujols was mentioned in the news conference from what I hear (I did not see it.) I'm probably wrong, I just realized the poster of the list I was looking at did at 1 PM.

Pujols was never mentioned in the news conference or the report itself. By all accounts that was a baseless rumor. Read it All Here (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071213&content_id=2326063&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl).

Pujols, at least, has still been honest. As far as we know anyway.. and we have no evidence to point otherwise.