IT IS THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 1800, and Europe is once more on the verge of war.

The nations of Europe have been at peace for many years, but from the French revolution comes a dangerous new leader.

Napoleon Bonaparte.

Is he a diplomat or warrior? The old powers refuse to sit on their hands incase it is the latter, and start to rebuild their disbanded armed forces.

The great Admiral Nelson is preparing to defend Britain against any invasion, and Napoleon is preparing for conquest. Arthur Wellsley, soon to be the Duke of Wellington, is returning from a successful campaign in India to lead Britain's army. Prussia is trying to reunite it's nation, and Russia and Sweden size each other up.

Now Europe is rushing head long into war, and only the leaders can stop it...

RULES

The map is divided into provinces. Each capital is worth 5 credits(5c), and each other province is worth 3 credits.

A fleet costs 5 credits, and an army costs 3c.

Each unit just has to roll 7 or under in combat to kill an opponent. After all units have had this roll, combat is finished for that turn. If there are still defenders left, the attacker has to retreat. If there are no defenders left, but still some attackers, the attacker takes the province. If there are no attackers or defenders left, the province stays in the defender's hands.

Each unit can only move one province(or sea in the case of fleets) per turn. Fleets can transport any number of units in one turn, but only to a province on the other side of the sea it is currently in, or a sea adjacent to it. It stays in whichever sea is next to the province it is transporting to. It can only transport units to one location, and cannot move to the next sea if it is transporting units to a province that isn't adjacent to that sea.

Units can also embark the fleet, and move with it until they arrive at their destination.

Each province has militia which has to roll 5 or under to kill an opponent. Capital's militia fights as though it was a regular army(7 or under).

Militia isn't shown on the map, however fleets are represented by squares in your nation's colour in the sea it is in. Fleets cannot enter provinces.

Armies are shown by squares of either white or black(depending on which is easier to see) in your provinces.

Militia aren't shown on the map, but must be killed to take a province. They also automatically are rebuilt if they are killed(after the combat of course). Miltia cannot attack or move.

Each sea has a letter(there isn't one named O due to it's similarity to D), and each province has a letter(Sicily is part of Southern Italy, Corsica and Sardinia are joined, and Denmark is whole, not a lot of islands, and Istanbul takes up both sides of the mouth of the Black Sea).

YOUR ORDERS SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS: (Example is Britain)

Capital 6
1 army* - defend capital
1 army - move to 5

Province 5
1 army - take over 2

Sea C
1 fleet - move to D

It's that simple. Please put a star(*) next to units that are new that turn, like the first army in 6.

After I have received all the orders I will post the updated map.

Once 5 people have joined, the game will begin. I will control any nations which don't have players, and newcomers after the end of the first turn will have to put up with the decisions I made for that country.

EVERYONE STARTS WITH 5 GOLD DUE TO YOUR CAPITAL.

Also, your units cost you UPKEEP. This is one credit per turn per unit that you own. Say you have 2 galleys and 3 armies, that would cost you 5c. If you only have 6c coming in, that means you can only have 6 units at most. That means to buy another army you either need to conquer more territory or just wait the three turns to build up 3 credits.

Each turn will last about 3 days I think, at the beginning, then I will probably settle into a every weekend routine.

Finally, unused credits carry over to the next turn, and orders should be PMed to me.

ALSO NEW UNITS MUST START IN YOUR CAPITAL!

But one the game starts, I want all orders in as soon as possible, so I can post the updated map, hopefully before Wednesday.

Good luck everyone!

NATIONS OF EUROPE

Britain[King William III](Jason the King)
Red
Capital 6(London)

France[Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte](The Troquelet)
Blue
Capital 9(Paris)

Spain[King Ferdinand VII](Toasty)
Yellow
Capital 16(Madrid)

Libya(I know it's further east than on the map, but it sounds better than Tunisia!)
Pink
Capital 25(Tunis)

Italy
Light Blue
Capital 29(Rome)

Prussia[Kaiser Freidrich III](Das)
Green
Capital 37(Berlin)

Austria(Poto)
Brown
Capital 41(Vienna)

Ottoman Turkey[Sultan Kwansn](Kwansn)
Purple
Capital 48(Istanbul, as the Turks call Constantinople)

Russia[Tzar Chris](AnarchyRulz)
Turquoise
Capital 61(Moscow)

Sweden[King Charles Berglund XVI](.:KNAS:.)
Dark Blue
Capital 69(Stockholm)

NATIONS OF AMERICA

The United States of America[President John Bernard](WarlordMatt)
Blue
Capital 20(Washington)

The Confederate States of America(SKILORD)
Orange
Capital 25(Richmond)

Canada
Pale Yellow
Capital 11(Toronto)

Sioux(Kennelly)
Dark Brown
Capital 27(Sioux)

Iroquois
Dark Pink
Capital 5(Salamanca)

Here's the map of Europe:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanatics7.jpg

LINK: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanatics7.jpg

And here's the one of America:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiiexpansioncorrected.jpg

LINK: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiiexpansioncorrected.jpg

Have fun!

Nemesis

Looks an awful lot like a Diplomacy board, nemesis...;)

I'll take Spain.

Oh, by the way...you have the Turk capital at Ankara/Angora

Neutral nations are controlled by you I assume Nemesis? :D Well, this one is just too good to miss and I will be joining as Napoleon Bonaparte. I'll be gone for a week though, so here is my diplomacy now!

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World
From: Napoleon, Emperor of France

I announce the inception of a new regime in the glorious nation of France: that of Napoleon I. Napoleon wishes peace with all nations but warns that France is a sleeping tiger which could easily be awakened by threats, insolence, or arrogance. Peace be with Europe!

Napoleon claims the following lands as his own, and will NOT tolerate foreign invasion into the lands secured unto the French Empire by divine right!

Bretagne (7), Normandie (8), Arverne (11), Provence (13), and Pyrenee (12), are France's.


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His Majesty King of England
From: Napoleon, Emperor of France

Peace can exist between our nations if we cooperate. I would like our nations to move forward in diplomacy. That's why I invite you sign a DMZ (Demilitarized Zone) pact.

"Neither French nor English warships shall venture into the English Channel (D) to ensure easing of tensions between the two great nations.

Signed, Napoleon Bonaparte
Signed, __________________"

I hope that this move can be a precedent for furthur exchanges between our great nations.

Le roy le veult!

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His Majesty King of Spain
From: Napoleon, Emperor of France

Cordiality has always been the motto of our nations' relationship and I hope I may say the same for the future. France warmly wishes you the best of success in whatever enterprises you may choose to undertake, as long as they do not include seizing French land.

Le roy le veult!

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His Majesty King of Italy
From: Napoleon, Emperor of France

France hopes friendship will continue between our nations. Switzerland (32) is between our nations. However, since the Swiss speak German and French, not Italian, I hope you will let the question of this land's ownership be settled between me and the rulers of Austria and Prussia, and not interfere. Evil imperialism will not be tolerated by the French and the Swiss will not tolerate rule by cultural outsiders. France will come to the rescue of any and all oppressed peoples.

Meanwhile, France again wishes you luck in your affairs for the coming year. Italian tourists will be encouraged to visit the French province of Provence which sports marvelous beaches and good fishing.

Le roy le veult!

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His Majesty King of Austria, HMK of Prussia
From: Napoleon, Emperor of France

Hello and welcome from your brothers in France! Napoleon wishes the heartiest of salutations to his German and Austrian brethren. Our nations have much in common and the French people are of the opinion that an alliance between our three fair nations would cement this friendship and help it stand the test of time.

As the central figures of Europe many other nations across the world may seek to turn us against each other, forcing us to guard long internal borders and leave our nations ripe for being conquered. Napoleon hopes his German cousins will see the fallacy of this. As one alliance we can present an unbreakable frontier to the rest of the world, strong in the knowledge that the greatest nations of central Europe stand with us.

In an act of faith in our comradeship I am ceding all claims to Switzerland to the two of you, and letting you decide which nation deserves it most.

Consider this alliance and let me know how you feel about expanding the interests of the three greatest European nations.

Le roy le veult!

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So that all nations may see the honesty of my intent I am making my military orders clear for all to see.

I have 5 Gold in my Treasury and am purchasing 1 Army with 2 Gold left over. The Army is to seize Arverne (11) for France.

Army 1* Paris-Arverne (9-11)

Anyway, seeing that this is a more chance-based version of Diplomacy with more players, the following site might be of interest: www.diplom.org also you can visit the Dip section of our very own CivFanatics!

I will be Tzar Chris of The Russians

By the way, if the 2nd turn happens to pass before I return then merely spend all my money on armies and take the provinces I mentioned (real-life France)...

Right, I'll update the countries to include leader names soon.

Thanks to you all for joining!

And yes this was taken from a diplomacy site, then edited to suit my needs.

Also the Turkish capital was going to be the current one until I realised it was Istanbul. I'll move it now.

Nemesis

Hmm, on the next update I'll change the Turkish capital's number to white, I forgot to do it this time when I moved the capital, and it doesn't look right in black.

But it will do for now, and will be changed on the next update.

Also guys, I forgot to mention a huge part of the game - upkeep!

EVERY UNIT YOU BUY COSTS 1 GOLD PER TURN FOR UPKEEP.

Nemesis

The fine nation of Italy celebrates their new leader, ??? (nem I need a leader name).
He claims the provinces of Naples(27), East Italia(28), San Marino(31), Turin(30), and Sardinia(26) for Italy.

Final updates:

Corrected map(one numbered 70 now was unnumbered before).

Units MUST begin in your capital.

Fleets can pass freely through the Straits of Gibraltar, and from M to P so long as they own 48 or have an agreement with the person who owns it.

You can also fight your way into P or out of it by defeating naval forces that may try to stop you.

Nemesis

PS: WarlordMatt, about your coolbook: flattery won't get you any extra credits! :p

Finally, to clear up any confusion, you can move units as soon as they are built, and to take over a neutral province(when I said I would control neutral nations, I meant nations that had no leaders, not the unclaimed provinces!) just move an army into it.

Nemesis

RULE CHANGE: FLEETS CAN ONLY GO FROM M TO P OR VICE VERSA IF THEY OWN 48 OR HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

Fleets built in a capital that is near the sea must choose which sea to enter for their first move(they cannot move again after that).

Fleets built in landlocked capitals enter the nearest sea.

Finally, yes units can be built in enemy capitals, and you can build new production centres for 25 gold.

Chris AKA Nemesis

id be king of sweden if thats allright, this ill be my first NES though, i can make up a nice little intro later thought

oh and what if my capital gets conquered and i dont have any other production centers? do i immediately get a new one? and do i get do choose its location?

King Ferdinand VII continues the migty rule of the house of Habsburg in Spain. The country, beleagured by the fighting of colonies all over the world, now stays to fight whatever ambitions Napoleon may have to overtake Europe.

In order to maintain security for the glorious Spanish state and to keep what land is rightfully hers, the Spanish house of Habsburg hereby decrees that the following provinces must be attributed to their net worth:

Catalonia (15)
Galicia (14)
Portugal (17)
Granada (18)
Northern Morrocco (19)

The Spanish Empire stands to oppose whomever may deny us our rightful lands.

For King! For Country! For Spain!

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To: Emperor Napoleon of France
From: His Imperial Highness, King Ferdinand VII of Spain.
Subj: Re:

Unfortunately cordiality was only appropriate when a civilized house ruled over your people. Of course now I have a despot on my front doorstep.

The Swiss situation should most definitely include Italy at the negotiating table; the nation speaks four languages, being German, French, Italian and Romansch. If your intentions are towards peace you will allow them to have their say in lands that their people live.

Very well, Spain does not have any immediate hostile intentions towards the people of France; but note, we will be keeping an eye on you.

So if everyone claims land, on the first turn you'll have one province 5 gold conquer another for 2 total and have 2 left over, then a salary of 5+3+2-1=9 and can conquer 3 provinces with new armies and one with the old for a total of 6 provinces, then on the 3rd turn you'll have the 4 armies, but you'll have 5+3+3+3+3+3-4= 16 gold to buy 5 more armies for a total of 9. And then you'll need to go conquering to find the wherewithal to support those armies...

So everyone will have a pretty balanced military except Britain who will develop a bit slower because he needs a fleet....

His Imperial Highness, King Ferdinand VII of Spain.
From: Napoleon, Emperor of France.

And we shall be keeping an eye on you as well, Spain. In the meantime, mind your own affairs! Spain has no place in the affairs of central Europe. Would the French contest your claim to Northern Morocco even though the culture there is more Libyan than Spanish? No, because we know our place.

In the meantime, know that peace is still desired between our nations by Napoleon and he hopes you agree.

By the way, in the fullness of time France would like to place a fleet in the Gulf d'Lyon (J) to protect our southern coast. France has no intentions on Corsica, Spain, Italy, or any other land outside her boundaries, but we will not allow Spanish and Italian troops to parade behind our borders draining troops on guard from where they are really needed. France has no intentions on the Bay of Biscay (H) or the English Channel (D) however.

Peace!

Le roy le veult!

To: Napoleon, Emperor of France
From: His Imperial Highness, King Ferdinand VII of Spain
Subj: Gulf of Lyons fleet

I will tell you now, Monsieur Bonaparte, that placing a fleet will do no more than encourage war between our to countries. It severely limits my options in the Mediterranean Sea against Italy or Tunisia and makes it all the easier to head right up to Provence and Pyrenee.

If you ARE seeking war between us, then I congratulate you--you have found an innocent-looking way to give me few other options. But if you speak of your peaceful intentions, prove them to me now and allow my fleets passage through the Gulf of Lyon.

The newly appointed King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden seized power this Friday after a series of bloody riots concerning the incompetence of the previos King Inge Naning

His first adress to the citizens of Stockholm, mentioned the annexation of Norway, North Sweden, Denmark and Finland, territories 68,67,38,66,65 respectively. The citizens of Stockholm shout out their happiness about King Charles decisions and 1000 people volounteer for the Svealand militia (ie the miltia for territory 69, my capital)

To: Tzar Chris of the Kingdom of Russia
From: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden

I sincerely hope that Russia will realize that Sweden means business when it comes to the territories 66,65,67,68 and that territory 64 is, as far as Sweden sees it, up for grabs unless the Russian ambassador claims otherwise. I hope you will respect this by not moving in to our Finnish Protectorate before we have time to garrison it. Sweden would also like to declare that we send you, Tzar Chris of Russia a Peace Treaty wich i hope Russia will be wise enough to sign.



To: Monsieur Napolen Bonaparte of the Republic of France
From: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden

Mr. Napoleon Bonaparte, I King Charles Berglund XVI respect your territorial claims for Bretagne (7), Normandie (8), Arverne (11), Provence (13), and Pyrenee (12), and hope that you will do the same for Swedens claim on Denmark(38). We also send you a Peace Treaty hoping you will sign it for the best of the Republic of France and for the Kingdom of Sweden


His Majestys Orders:

Train an army in Stockholm for 3 gold, leaving me with 2 gold left

Capital 69
1 army* - take territory No.68 (Norway)

Napoleon

You said it yourself, O King, "it makes it easier to head right up to Provence..." which belongs to France!!

I am NOT seeking war with either you nor Italy. Your placing a fleet in the Gulf of Lyon could have no other purpose than to attack me, Corsica (Italian) or Italy itself. Likewise, for Italy, except they might have an excuse, not wanting to anger the Libyans by taking Corsica through K.

Spain placing a fleet in the Gulf of Lyons is the same as for example as France putting a fleet in the Bay of Biscay (H) and saying it is for peaceful purposes...

If you will not tolerate only French fleets in J, then you will kindly agree that NOBODY can put fleets there and make it a DMZ. Unless you really DO want war with me, Ferdinand. In which case I say to you, "Venez pour que je te fais une tannee!" (Come and get a beating!)

By the way, I'm not really that pompous and arrogant - I just have to act Napoleon.....

OOC: cant two fleets belinging to two different nations be in the same sea at the same time? and a sea dont give u gold like a province does, right?

To: Napoleon, Emperor of France
From: His Imperial Highness, King Ferdinand VII
Subj: Re: Gulf of Lyons Fleet

You have misinterpreted. If you want me to get involved in the Mediterranean, instead of sending my armies right up your back door, then you will allow my fleets passage in the GoL. In order to take any islands, or in the possibility of hostilites between me and the Italian, my fleets must have passage there. It makes it all to easy, NOT having passage there, for me to go after Provence and Pyrenee with my armies.

Again, I say: Show how peaceful your intentions really are, or I may yet be proved correct in my judgement of you.

Since nobody can go to sea yet except England I hope this question can be laid to rest until I return one week from now. Till then good luck all!

To: King Ferdinand VII of the Kingdom of Spain
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
Sweden hereby offers Spain a Peace Treaty in hope to improve the relations between our two great nations.

To: WalrordMatt of Italy
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
Sweden offers Italy the standard Peace Treaty, and its well wishing for peace in central Europe.

To: King Charles Berglund XVI of Sweden
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
Subject: Peace
We accept your offer for peace, and we hope for good relations with Sweden in the future.

To: Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte of France
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
Subject: Friendship
We would be very interested in being allies with France. May we assist you in any conflict?

To: The World
From: Tzar Chris of The Russian People
We have noted this age of growing borders. Russia will NOT be left behind. We demand claims to Area 62,63, 54, 53. Anyone who does not comply will be treated as an enemy of Russia.

ALL my money goes to growing my armies and land.

To: Tzar Chris of Russia
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
We the Swedish people respect Russias territory claims and hope that Russia does the same towards Swedens claims towards Finland. As we previously stated we consider territory No.64 "Finders Keepers" between our two great nations. Also as previously stated we offer the Russian people a Peace Treay to ensure the safety of our two peoples.

Nice idea! I, Friedrich III wil ltake ovewr Prussian NOW.

Oh, and could you upate the map sometimes?

To French: We agree that peace is the best for our two nations.

To Russia: We suggest that we will form a new alliance, so both of our mighty powers will always help each other in time of need.

TO THE WORLD: We proclaim the following lands that are rightfully ours as from now on poccessions of Prussia:

Hannover - 36

Prussia - 58

Westphalia - 35

Bavaria - 34

Silesia - 39

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To: Friedrich III, King of Prussia
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
I do hope that your filthy Germanic "warriors" can keep their greedy hand from Swedens territory, comply and our nations shall prosper together, violate this treaty and we will repeat our achievments in the 30 year war. Along with this message is a Peace Treaty, consisting of two parts:
1: Prussia will respect Swedens territorial claims and stay out of territory "obviosly" belonging to the Kingdom of Sweden
2: Sweden will respect Prussias claims in Central Europe and stay out of Germanic lands in general.

To: Prussia
From: Tzar Chris of The Russian People
I suggest that our two great nations form an alliance. We shall become The Euro Alliance. We shall be protecters of peace and sovernty of the European mainland.

Firstly, Das I cannot update the map yet, as it hasn't been three days.

Tomorrow night I will update the map, and probably a new turn will begin the next day.

Anyway, everyone please PM me orders! Don't put them in the thread! I'll accept those in it at the moment to save you time, but not afterwards!

Finally, fleets from the same nation CAN occupy seas peacefully together, they only fight if they are at war! The same goes for provinces, you can sign right of passage agreements as well. But you MUST state in your orders whether you are passing peacefully through a province or are attacking it.

In the event of two countries going for the same province, the larger force takes it. If they are equal, then neither takes it, unless they have specific orders to take it at any cost in which case a battle will ensue.

Whether a battle causes war or not is up to you, you can try and iron the problem out or go to war.

Anyway, for the last time, fleets and armies CAN occupy seas and provinces together peacefully, so long as there aren't orders to the contrary.

Also, if you try to pass through a province of someone and you don't have a right of passage agreement with them, then I will ask them on the thread if you are allowed access or not.

If not, and you still try to go through, there will be a battle.

Fleets don't need permission(except to go from M to P and vice versa), and only fight if they are at war or have orders to prevent any fleet entering that sea.

Nemesis

To: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
As new nations seem to rise like mushrooms from the wet autumn soil, We the Swedish people offer You, the Italian people an alliance to help further our common aims. Sweden acknowledges any and all Italian claims for land in Souther Europe and wish them all the best. I do believe, and hope, that our two nations will prosper together standing atop the mutilated bodies of our common enemies.

REMEMBER EVERYONE, YOU CAN'T JUST CLAIM PROVINCES! Yes, you can claim them to threaten others away from taking them, but to actually take them over you MUST move an army into them!

Nemesis

yea, i figured as much

but say if i build a ship in Stockholm, will it start in ocean E or F?

To: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Unworthy Italy
Subj: Alliance
We will gladly accept an alliance with Sweden and help our two nations to glory. We are flattered and will stay allied with Sweden no matter what.

If there are seas which are as close to your capital as each other, you can build them in whichever one you like.

Also, if you want a full lowdown on the rules, visit the Apolyton version, Civman has been helping me iron out all the rules!

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=53789

Nemesis

OOC: LOL nem your username at poly is cbraund? LOL /OOC

Matt: Well my name is Chris Braund lol.

EVERYONE: THE GAME HAS BEGUN, SO GET ALL ORDERS TO ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO I CAN UPDATE THE MAP!

Nemesis

hehe, I will take the challenge of being the British Magistrate.

To: All Nations of the world
From: The Royal Isle of Britain

Hail to all of the European states, I am King William of the Britains. I hope all of our peoples will live in reletive peace. As of now, Great Britain is proposing claims to North Africa, as she will move her armies in soon enough. Please respect these claims.

To: Napoleon of France
From: Great Britain King William

I accept your demilitarization of the English Channel, but under these circumstances:
1. The Channel strickly remain English territory.
2. In the event that you move any ship into the vacinity, it will be attacked, and vice versa.
3. In the event of a war between yourself and another nation, Britain has the authority to move her ships along the English coast to protect her mainland in the case of hostilities from France, and also vice versa.

To: Spanish Kingdom
From: Great Britain

Hail, fellow secluded friend of Europe. I offer an alliance to strengthen our two armies and navies, in the even of a war happens from France, we can strike from both sides, thus stretching the French military to a low hazard. Also, It will provide relieve of my people of the claimed British lands in North Africa.

ooc: Nemesis, I would like to restate the question of if a Sea gains you any amount of money. (maybe something like 1 or 2 gold?)

Oh Yes....

To all nations:

Britain also claims that of all of the Britain isle and Ireland

To: King William of England
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden

As ruling monarch of Sweden i cannot acknowledge your ridiculos claims for land on the opposite side of the world, however Sweden have no interest in that dispicable continent and will not attempt to interfere with you if you were to take those provinces. Sweden does however respect that the British Isles belong to you, and therefore demand that you likewise respect Swedens claims for Denmark(38) and Norway (68). We hereby send you, King William of England a Peace Treaty.

ooc: can ships be used to bombard land forces?

To: His Imperial Majesty, King of England, George III
From: His Imperial Highness, King Ferdinand VII of Spain
Subj: Re: Alliance

As one great King to another, I great you with open arms and happiness. Spain warmly accepts your offer of alliance and will back you in whatever course of action you may choose to take.

However, I would like to note to you just how far away North Africa is from London. A long trip means you won't be there for quite some time, and odds are you will be exchanging blows with France, Sweden or Prussia by that time. Having your navies go so far South will only leave you exposed. While we strongly advise against it, we do respect whatever clims you may have.

To friendship, and to the great Anglo-Spanish alliance. May our cooperation be long lasting and fruitful.

For King! For Country! For Spain!

To: King Ferdinand VII of Spain
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
I, King Charles Berglund XVI of Sweden offer you the standard Peace Treaty, and wishes for continued friendly relations between our two kingdoms.

ooc: and besides, jason the libyans will prolly have taken all of north africa by the time u move your transports there

To: The Great Kingdom of Spain
From: King George III of Britain

I am very pleased with your response to a proposed alliance, and have also taken your advise wisely. Your advise has by far increased my visual standards of the world, and I am making the colonization of north africa a last priority. Perhaps, to strengthen our alliance, we ask that of Italy and Sweden to join alliances? This of course comes with penalties, for if they go to war, we will have to go too. I also would like to open up trade routes (Nemesis, can we? If we cant, disregard this last statement to Spain). Perhaps a trade for grain? Name your price.

OOC: Nemesis, do we anounce on the forum if we are attacking a province as well as the PM to you? Do we already have our buys if we PM'ed you?

To: King George III of England
From: King Ferdinand VII of Spain
Subj: Re: Alliance

I would suggest that our alliance remain solely between our two nations. The past has proved to us that large, unwieldy alliances do little more than create unnecessary tensions and increase the likelyhood of immediate tensions or hostilities. Spain is merely interested in peaceful, non-violent expansion at this point. The inclusion of more members would only go against that.

To: Spanish government
From: England

Ok, I agree. The Anglo-Spanish alliance shall remain soley between our two nations.

ooc: if someone takes an enemy production center, it would be a nice feature if he would be able to steal some cash from him then

No money is taken when you take an enemy production centre(don't you think the loss of it is bad enough?!).

Also, no money is gained from the sea(it's free passage for all in them, so why should it?).

The main types of agreements are military alliances(against nations), mutual protection pacts, and right of passage agreements.

Also, if you want to sign DMZ or trade agreements you can, but these just improve relations, they don't actually affect the game.

Finally, you don't need to declare when you're attacking someone(Napoleon never did!), and once your orders have been PMed to me, then you will know what happened at the next map update.

But once you've PMed me saying you've bought an army, then yes you have. The time between your orders and the map update can be regarded as the time they take to move.

Nemesis

Oh, and to answer one question I missed, no you cannot bombard land forces, to make the game easier(fleets only transport and rule the waves).

Nemesis

is there a limit as to how many armies a fleet can carry?

No

ok, say i wanna invade both 58 and 59 in the same turn, i have a fleet with two armies in it, can i unload each of them into each territory?or do i have to wait until next turn to unload the other army inot the other province?

Like I said in the rules, while a fleet may carry more than one army, it cannot carry them to more than one destination.

Nemesis

Right, seven places taken!

Only Austria, Ottoman Turkey and Libya left!

Get in quick if you want to play, else you will have to put up with the first move I make for those nations!

Nemesis

I need orders in from Das and AnarchyRulz, then I can update the map!(Remember you must say exactly what territory you first want to take! Not just say "I use all my money to take land", AnarchyRulz! :p )

Nemesis

To: King Charles Berglund XVI of Sweden
From: King George III Of England

I respect your point of view to my claims, and do also accept the peace treaty. May Sweden and England stay united in peace for ever!

The glorious Russian armies move into sections 62 and 53. And, if they can, also move into 63, 54

Russia only can buy one army! An army costs 3 credits, and you can only make a province part of your nation by sending an army into that province.

You have five credits, which means you can only buy one army.

For God's sake everyone, please make sure you read the rules!

Nemesis

Do we haev an army in beginning? ANyway I've sent my orders by PM.

Thanks Das. And no you don't begin with an army, everything you have must be bought.

Anyway, if AnarchyRulz decides between 62 and 53, then I can post an updated map.

Nemesis

Russia annexes section 62

Here's the updated map! Well done everyone for getting orders in, please remember to PM them to me next turn!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanaticscorrected.jpg

All of you now have 9 credits to spend(5 for capital + 3 for new province + 2 from last turn - 1 for unit upkeep = 9 credits)

Nemesis

And damn I forgot to show the armies of the neutral nations! Don't worry, they will be added by the next update, or tomorrow if I have time.

Nemesis

So right now units can only be built in your capital or in adjacent sea territories?

SO does the next turn start when you post a map? So is it turn two and we get money for new armies? For me, example, would this be right:

5c (captial) + 3c (Province 5) = 8c + 2c (for the my left overs from last turn) = 10c ?

minus 1c for upkeep of your army, so you have 9c to spend this turn, just like he (uknemesis) said when he posted his updated map

quote:All of you now have 9 credits to spend(5 for capital + 3 for new province + 2 from last turn - 1 for unit upkeep = 9 credits)

To: King George III of England
From::viking: King Charles Berglund XVI of the kingdom of Sweden

Sweden wishes England well and expresses its hope for continued relations between our two empires. If you were to go to war against the dictatorial Libyans over North Africa, Sweden would gladly assist England in any conflict there. However bevare that Italys interests go before yours in that matter, and if they were to collide...

To: King Charles Berglund XVI of the kingdom of Sweden
From: King George III of England

I thank you for your generous statement of Libyian conflict, but I worry about your statement of Italy. While Italia may be your allie, you must take into consideration that you first must judge his action before risking innocent lives. I fear of an uprising of Italian support, giving Italy power that could be misused.

To: King of Spain
From: King George III of England

I fear of an uprising of Italian Support in conflicts that might be harmful to our nations. I believe we should begin plans on how to better protect our two nations.

To: King George III of England
From: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden

I fear that there has been something lost in the translation from Swedish to English. What i meant was that if Italy were to go for North Africa as well, we would help them. Not work against England i anyway

To: King Charles Berglund XVI of the Kingdom of Sweden
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
I feel like I am being condemned. Can you please explain to me what is happing between you, Britain, and me?

ooc: warlordmatt, i dont really know, lol but sweden will stand by you no matter what

OOC: oh thanx /OOC

Are any places left?

Yeah, Austria, Turkey and Libya.

Just you'll have to accept my first move for those nations, and they do have an army in the province next to their capital like everyone else, just it isn't shown cause I forgot it lol, it will be updated soon.

Nemesis

MAP CORRECTED - Now all armies are shown.

Nemesis

Das, you have enough credits for 3 armies, or is that all you want?

I would have PMed this to you, but your box is full.

Nemesis

Also, I just need orders now from Toasty and AnarchyRulz!(I know about the Troquelet) If I don't have them by tomorrow night, I will make their moves for them.

Nemesis

Hey guys I have never played one of these before

I would be willing to take the Austrians . . . if they are still free that is

Poto

uhmm, comeone guys, this game is gonna be tight, keep posting!!!!!

That is all I want for just this while. I don't want to spend all my money now.

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To Sweden: Does Denmark LOGICALLY belogns to you?

To Das: Yes it does, considering the majority of the people there are of Viking heritage. Not Germanic heritage. Besides, Denmark and Sweden have been at war on many occasions and our annexation of Denmark is a response to The Stockholm Bloodbath over 300 years ago.

To Russia: I think that we coudl agree that province Poland will rightfully belong to you. This means that we already have a border.

To Everyone: The one who attacks Russia, attacks Prussia too, and this means a war with both Russia and Prussia, and I hope that no one will try to attacks us. I also hope that Russia will return the favour to us, and knowing Russians, I am confident that they do.

To Sweden: Thank you for response.

Poto, the Austrians are yours, I can assure you they are very strong at the moment. Just see the map for details!

NEW MAP UPDATE!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanatics2.jpg

CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN

Austria and France have 16 credits each to spend!(20 - 4 for upkeep)

Italy and Turkey have 13 credits to spend!(17 - 4 for upkeep)

Britain and Libya have 12 credits to spend!(15 - 3 for upkeep)

Spain has 17 credits to spend!(20 - 3 for upkeep)

Russia has 11 credits to spend!(14 - 3 for upkeep)

Prussia has 18 credits to spend!(20 - 2 for upkeep)

Sweden has 14 credits to spend!(17 - 3 for upkeep)

Have fun all!

Nemesis

Thanks for the start Nem - Just so happens that was the move I was planning on doing. :)

TO ALL

Greetings to the leaders of the European Continent. I would like to bring you all up to date on the political status of Austria. We have had an uprising and deposed our current leader for someone of more "homegrown" beliefs on how we should live and grow as a state. The current government has been set up and is still trying to find everything.
In the next few hours we will make another statement regarding our plans for the future of the Baltics as we see it.

More to come

To Prussia:
We are glad you feel Poland is rightfully Russian. We also pledge to help defend Prussia in case of an attack.

To The World:
Do not dare attack Russia or Prussia. Doing so will activate a Mutual Protection Pact. If you dare attack either one of us, I promise you, you and your empire will be destroyed.

To: Russia
From: Sweden
I hope you are not planning on capturing south Finland. Any such event will lead to war with Sweden and her ally Italy. Otherwise i hope our two nations can live in peace, and maybe even sign a Non Agression Pact?

Turkey for me!
I'll be playing as Sultan Kwansn...

TO SULTAN KWANSN:

FROM KING POTO OF AUSTRIA

I am hoping that we can come to a mutual agreement of the Baltics. I am sure that between us we can come to an suitable agreement that will achieve both of our goals. I can state that I feel for the security of the Austrian homeland we need control of Albania and for this we will concede control of Romania to the Turks. If you have any suggestions that we can come to agreements upon please let me know. We in Austria are eager to start off in a non-aggressive campaign that should benefit all that come in contact with us.

To Sweden:
We or not nor were we ever considering on taking land that is rightfully Swedens. We also respect your need for a Non-Aggresion Pact. We will accept your terms. This is in no way an alliance with you and Italy, but a measer to protect the sovernty of both of our nations.

To Prussia:
In case a war does arrise we expect your help.

To: Sweden
From: Britain

I hope we can come to an agreenment on an alliance of all types. Perhaps we can become military allied along with mutual protection? Together, our power in the north will reach the south!

To King Poto of Austria-Hungary
I understand that the k.u.k. monarchy needs to feel secure but I want to lead my empire to the glory and might it once possessed. To achieve this I plan to occupy both Albania and Serbia, territories that are rightfully ours. I hope you understand this and assure you that I have the most peaceful intentions.
Sultan Kwansn

To: Sultan Kwansn
From: King Poto

Fair enough . . . Albania and Serbia are yours to do with as you see fit. We will claim Romania and we will call it good. I hope that we can both strive for future peaceful dealings.

To: Libya
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
We are greatly unimpressed by you taking the island west of us, Sardinia, which rightfully belongs to Italy. I am simply letting you know this, if you ever reconsider....

To: Italy
From: Sweden
We will support you no matter what you do with Sardinia and Libya.

To: Britain
From: Sweden
You are welcome to join the Italy-Sweden alliance if Italy agrees to it. Otherwise a Non Agression Pact is offered.

To: Prussia
From: Sweden
We would like to sign a Non Agression Pact with you.

Right, I need orders in from Toasty, Poto, Das, .:KNAS:., and the Troquelet(if he has returned, otherwise I will move for him).

They must be in by midnight tonight my time(GMT), unless not enough have sent in orders in which case tomorrow night.

Libya is the only nation now free.

Nemesis

To Russia: Our alliance is guaranteed.

To Sweden: We agree on non-agression pact, but Russia is our ally, and we have a MPP with them!

Right, simple rules.

Armies can move one province per turn. They begin in your capital. They cost 3 credits.

Fleets can move one sea per turn. They begin in the sea nearest your capital, and can't move for that turn. They cost 5 credits.

TRANSPORTING

You can transport an unlimited number of armies from ONE province to ONE destination province using one fleet. To get troops from another province to the same destination province in that turn(or from the same province to a different destination in that turn), you must use another fleet.

The destination MUST border the sea that the fleet is currently in, or an adjacent sea. Fleets can convoy as soon as they are produced, and can move and then transport.

However, if they are transporting to a province that only borders the one they are currently in, then they cannot move for that turn.

DISPUTED TERRITORY

If two nations try to take the same province, the one with the larger force takes it and the other retreats, unless the smaller force has orders to take it at all cost.

Equal forces create a disputed territory(unless one side has orders to take it at all costs), in which neither owns it but both have forces there. This can only be resolved by combat, diplomacy or one side moving out(or moving more in so they outnumber the enemy).

Fleets of different nations can occupy the same sea so long as they aren't at war(they will fight if they are), and you can send your troops through your ally's provinces so long as he agrees. If he doesn't, then his forces will defend against you.

Finally, you get 3 credits from each province, and 5 from your capital and manufacturing centres. Manufacturing centres provide a place other than your capital where units can be built. They cost 25 credits to build.

Also, each fleet or army costs 1 credit per turn upkeep. This will be automatically taken away in the credit list that I post with each map update.

Simple enough? This should make it easier for everyone.

Nemesis

Poto, I need Austria's orders by midnight tonight, otherwise I will make the moves for you.

Well done everyone getting your moves in!

Nemesis

soon very soon within the hour

You should have it

Bloody motherf*cking server! F*cking page wouldn't load, I go back to this, and it's all f*cking gone!

Ah f*ck it. Give me ten minutes and it will be up yet again!

Nemesis

If this doesn't work, I'm quitting CivFanatics for good :p , cause I lost update thanks for your reply page wouldn't load!

Anyway, here it is again!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanatics3.jpg

Well done all for getting your orders in so soon, and for them making sense!

CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN(Already has upkeep deducted)

Russia has 16 credits to spend!

Britain has 18 credits to spend!

Turkey has 22 credits to spend!

Italy has 13 credits to spend!

Sweden has 13 credits to spend!

Prussia has 26 credits to spend!

Spain has 16 credits to spend!

Austria has 19 credits to spend!

France has 27 credits to spend!

Libya has 12 credits to spend!

Good luck everyone!

TO SPAIN
FROM LIBYA

We will let you have 20 and 21 if you will sign a MPP with us.

TO ITALY
FROM LIBYA

We are not scared by your naval parades near our Sardinian colony. It is ours by rights, and we will keep it.

Nemesis

Also, one final thing(I did it in first draft that going back got rid of, but forgot in this update)!

To see what armies look like on board fleets, take a look at Sea E, where Sweden has two armies on one fleet.

Britain took Denmark(38), after intimidating the one Swedish army that landed there with two British armies. The Swedish army retreated to the fleet that carried it.

MAJOR RULE CHANGE

Each fleet can only carry UP TO 4 ARMIES. This is to make it possible to show them in transit on the map(one white square on each corner of the fleet). One fleet can still only transport units from ONE province to ONE destination. But now if there are 5 units, you need two fleets.

Nemesis

Damn, I realised I made a mistake on one(that's what happens when I try to run it on two forums lol!).

WarlordMatt, you said that the army at 28 should stay there, but I moved it to 31 by mistake!

Anyway, you can either keep it as is(with the mistake made), or I can change it back to how it should be(28 staying).

Tell me what you want to do.

Nemesis

Libya,
We are going to take 20 and 21 with or without your permission, and have no reason to tango with Italy.
Good day.

The Royal King walked up and down his corridor like a madman, trying to think of what really was right for his nation. Should he join the Sweden pact? After many tirades on the stone florr of the castle, he had made up his mind.

To: Sweden
From: Britain

We are excited to have been invited to your alliance. We accept the invitation, and are happy to be a part of the alliance. Long live the alliance!

To: France
From: Britain

We still have no word of your reply to the English channel, and are afraid of the time you have, in which you may be plotting against Britain. I would like to inform you that Britain is now allied with that of the Swedes and their ally, and hope you reconsider. Until you respond, the English channel is now under British Occupation.

To: Britain
From: Sweden
If you are to join the alliane, Italy must approve of it first. Secondly we demand that you cede control of Denmark (38) to us, or risk total devestation to your empire. I expect you to have given it back to us within 24 hours.

To: Sweden
From: Italy
Britain may join our pact.

To: Libya
From: Italy
Please forgive me for being so rude. It is just the island is right next to us. May our two nations live in peace.

To: Sweden
From: Britain

I no way shap or form was Denmark your land. I will not cede the territory to you. You have to understand that Britain does not respond to such demands.

To: Italy
From: Grwat Britain

I request your aid in the conflict between me and Sweden, Denmark is rightfully ours, in no way shape or form should I have to cede it to the Swedes. Don't you agree?

To: Britain
From Sweden
To quote myself from the first page: His first adress to the citizens of Stockholm, mentioned the annexation of Norway, North Sweden, Denmark and Finland, territories 68,67,38,66,65 respectively. The citizens of Stockholm shout out their happiness about King Charles decisions and 1000 people volounteer for the Svealand militia (ie the miltia for territory 69, my capital)

So if you were to get your head out of your ass you would realize that Denmark belongs to Sweden. The Prussians agreed, i recommend you do to. Naturally you are no longer part of our alliance, so you would be wise not to threaten the French.

To: Italy
From: Sweden
I hope you will honour our long lasting alliance and join me in a war against England. Ill take Denmark, Ice land and Southern Ireland, and youll get the rest. Fair deal to say the least, dont you say?

CLARIFICATION OF RULES - What happens when you lose your capital?

If you lose your capital, you may build a temporary one for 10 credits.

This new capital can build units the same turn it is bought, but has a few restrictions:

Armies cost 5 credits when bought in a temp. capital.

It cannot build fleets.

You may only have one temporary capital.

You never get the 10 credits back.

But with a few good points:

The militia of a temp. capital fights the same as one from a capital.

If an enemy captures your temporary capital, it is disbanded, and you can build another.

When you recapture your capital, your temporary capital is disbanded.

A province with a temporary capital in it gives you 5 credits.

To Russia: What do you suggest we are going to do with the new criisis between British and Swedish? Shall we intervenne? Or shall we stay neutral?

To Prussia:
We have sent a messenger named "PM" to give you our plans.

To Sweden:
In case war does arrive between you and the British expect no help from Russia.

To Britian:
If war does arrive between you and Sweden expect no help from The Russians.

To: Sweden
From: Great Britain

Seeing no peace can be dirived from this situation, consider yourself that you are now at war with the British. Our royal forces will leave no remorse for your people. Good Day.

To: France
From: Great Britain

Unfortunatly, I have to agree with Sweden. I desire no quarral with you, and restate the terms I had submitted to you before.

To: Austria
From: Great Britain

Hello, friend. I bring you tidins from Great Britain, but all is not well. I am now at war with the Swedens over land that never was theirs, and what they claim was theirs. Denamrk whall stay British, but I fear the many, many lives lost. I suggest your help in the war, fighting on the side of the good, so that we can calm the rampaging Swedish. Are you on my side, or theirs?

To: Russia and Prussia
From: Great Britain

I respect your wishes to remain nuetral in this conflict between myself and Sweden, but would like for you to reconsider. You would be great allies in this trecherous and sad war. Please, join the side of the good.

To: World
From: Charles Berglund XVI
The only one who has been treahcerous here is Britain! They said themselves that they would respect Swedens territorial claims. Yet they go and take Denmark! If you were to join in on this war, join in on Swedens side. Sweden is not the agressor in this war, Britain is. And to say that Sweden is "rampagin" is ridiculous, we have respected all of your territorial claims, including Britains. So how can we be rampaging? It is the English who threaten world peace here.

To: Britain
You will be singing a different tune while the Swedish armies pillage London. This time we wont let you get away with just another "Danegeld" to pay. Brittanica will be annihilated.

To: Sweden (Also fowarded to every nation)
From: Great Britain

Territoy claims are just TERRITORY CLAIMS. You calim to own something, but it is not yet yours. It is a first come first choose basis, not a game. The world is not a game (hehe). And I think we will be singing a different tuen when the great forests and icelands of Sweden become under Britain's and her allies control. Britain is not the aggressor, it is Sweden that ORDERS another nation off of their own land. Britain in no way aggressed on Sweden. Your agressions shall stop here. All Britain want's is PEACE.

To: The World
From: Great Britain

I understand you all have your own problems, but sincerely urge you to join the fight with Britain against evil Sweden. Like everyone know, a territory claim is a territory claim, and dosn't fully belong to that of ones nation until the nation has occupied it. It would be like Britain saying "Territory 59 is Britains" and no one else can take it. It is not just, and should not be tolerated.

To:
Great Britain

I believe you are the victom. However, I do not wish to plunge my great nation into a war UNLESS I get something. If I declare war, what is in it for me?

To: Russian Empire
From: King of Great Britain

Whats in it for you is the territory. If you help me militarily, you may recieve provinces 65, 64, 66, 67. The rest of the territory would either be left for a post-war Sweden or will be added to Great Britain.

To Britain:
From: King Poto Austria

I received your communication regarding your "Swedish problem". We, however, cannot support you or your claims towards Denmark. We simply have no avenue at this time to send any support. You must understand we may appreciate your concern over the disputed lands we can do nothing at this time. We wish you best in your mission.

To: Britian
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
You dare to take territory that ancesterally belongs to SWEDEN? And when you are quarreling you declare WAR? This is unbelievable! We declare WAR on you, and we will wipe your scum off the face of the Earth!

To: Sweden
From: Italy
We will aid you in you rightful conquest of Denmark, of course. Let us have a secret conference about tactical plans against the "nation" of Britian. (PM me about your troop movements and tell me what I should do.)

To: Russia and Prussia
From: Sweden
We hope that you will remain neutral during this conflict.

To: Italy
PM has been sent

To: Dispicable Britain
From: Arch Nemesis Sweden
There are no icelands in Sweden, fool. Where did you learn geography, driving school?

OOC - Just all remember that everyone is playing in character. I know you all are, just reminding you so that hatred in this game doesn't spill out into the forum :p

Nemesis

OOC: I know, nem. I am just ACTING mean, remember! /OOC

I know, I'm just making sure everyone remembers.

Nemesis

Hello, everyone! I am back from Stockton. Played in a pretty professional orchestra (Beethoven's 3rd and 5th Symphonies, all prepared in just 6 short days!)

So excuse any excessive in-character crankiness because I'm just a bit tired...

OOC I see (before I check up on the messages [6 pages!!!] I just looked at the map) that Turkey is huge! How did that happen? OOC (Is Turkey a player nation?) I also see that I have Belgium - I hope I didn't fight anyone for that....

Anyway off to read for an hour or two! You verbose people! :D

LIBERTE, EGALITE, FRATERNITE

Dispatch from La Mocheot, newspaper of the French People!

This morning the news finally came to expectant French ears that Napoleon Bonaparte, ruler of the mighty French Empire, has been cured of the cholera which at one point threatened to take his life and steal from France its most charismatic and forward-minded leader in all of its remembered history.

A still haggard Napoleon held a press conference this morning. As much as his ceremonial robes seemed to hang loose on his frame, the fire which has led the French from tyranny under a spiteful monarch to a new age of civilization and law was still recognizable in his eyes. After waving down the cheers with a small smile, Napoleon, speaking from the balcony of his unceremonial house on the Left Bank, said:

"People of France! I am still a bit sick and therefore I will be brief.

"Relations with the other great nations of Europe have gone neglected during my illness, and I vow that this will not go unremedied.

"First and foremost I wish to speak to all nations at the moment, when I tell them that France's glorious armies are building fortresses at the frontiers and digging in. Offhand talk of war with France, such as certain evil nations have been suggesting, will not be tolerated. Nations unlucky enough to be under the reign of rulers who say such things will, naturally, be liberated.

"Regardless of past actions France is willing to move forward. That is why France heartily accepts the friendship of Italy as offered, and peace with all other nations - under certain conditions.

"It is in the best interests of France to be friendly with all nations. Only the kingdom of Germany shares borders with more rulers than France. That is why my message is a peaceful one, and my hopes are that war will not break out across Europe."

END

Right, I now just need orders from Toasty and .:KNAS:.

If they are not in by tonight, I will move for them, and the moves will not be reversible.

Nemesis

ooc: so France is allied with Italy?

From Napoleon

For the time being, I am remaining neutral in the Danish conflict. However, I merely wished to return the warm welcome that Italy gave to my arrival in office, and hope that in the future we may have a chance to act together against common enemies.

I do not, under any circumstances, wish war against Britain or its allies. Britain has been a friend across the ocean and its actions have no meaning to me unless they involve humanity or the land of France.

To: Napoleon France
From: Challe B-Lund of Sweden
We hope that after the British have been dealt with, that Sweden and France could enter a military alliance. Also it would be nice if you would help pressure Russia and Prussia to remain neutral in this war.

From Napoleon, Emperor of the Fair and Equal French

I repeat once more that I wish peace with Britain! I am not happy to see you advocating war with Britain as if it was a game. You were not in France to see the bloodshed of the Revolution and you have no idea what war is.

My armies have a mere 2 goals at the present time. I wish to put a fleet in the Bay of Biscay to observe and mediate between Spain and Libya, since the affairs of Africa interest me. I also wish to send armies to Belgium because this is the weakest of my provinces and will be building a factory in the near future and thus needs protection.

War is not one of my goals at the moment. I will not be drawn into war.

Period.

To: France

I never asked you to participate, only to keep others from joining in

To:
Sweden

Why ask France to pressure Russia and Prussia? Do you think I am afraid of any army in the world? Do you call the Russia people cowards? Well we are not cowards. You better watch your mouth, because next time you say the, it may mean war.

To:
France
We wish to sign a non aggresion pact with you.

To:
Prussia

Can you believe Sweden? I think you better start wartime mobilazation in case of a conflict.

To: Russia
From: Sweden
The Russian people are our friends. Our Finnish garrisons were however worried about the British offering you a piece of Sweden. We wish not war with Russia, hell we never even wished for war with England either. But it is happening, and i hope Russia will not join in on either side.

Russia, I think you're getting paranoid. In order to reach your lands I would have to fight my way through 3 other nations!

Still, if you wish a non-aggression pact, so be it! France wants peace with you.

People seem to be thinking of me as the pivot in European affairs. While that IS flattering, rest assured that I will stay neutral except in the utmost emergency.

To Turkey:

Russia wishes to sign a non agression pact with you in hopes that our people will feel secure on our border.

To The World:

Rumors have been passed around that Russia is paraniod. I ask you, which leaders are not? All great leaders should concern themselves in world affairs, to protect their countries and there people. That is all...

To Russia
From: Great Britain

I have heard rumors of teh Swedes not wanting war, that it actually funny to me, seeing as they gave me a 48hr. timelimit on to giving MY LAND UP. If that seems like the want peace to themselves, then there is another reason to take it over. :).

To: Britain
The people of Denmark are in no way related to Britain. They are Scandinavian, just as the people of Sweden are.

[dance] All i want is peace with Britain, a peace of Denmark, a little peace of Wales a tiny peace of Ireland....[dance] :lol:

OOC: Got to admit Knas, that was funny as hell to me! LOL

OOC: yea, i stole it from Mel Brooks:) (i think)

Well as this one doesn't need such a kick up the ass like 'Poly's version does(they seem to be quiet there, possibly plotting :p ), I will update the map tomorrow instead of tonight(cause I'm shattered, I'm currently writing WTWGMAD(see stories), running the Poly contest while Civman is away, and managing the two UKNES2s, and still having to have a life, which is why most of this is done at midnight or so my time lol).

SO THIS IS A WARNING TO THOSE WHO HAVEN'T YET GOT PMS IN, OR WANT TO CHANGE ORDERS.

DO IT NOW!

Nemesis

FINAL BULLETIN BEFORE YEAR'S END

To: World

From: Napoleon, Emperor of France

I hope that after the first battles of this war are over you will see the futility of fighting and agree to sit down to a French-mediated conference.
In the meantime, France befriends all but trusts no-one. Our armies are on the way to our Belgian colony to prevent a sneak attack, and we are putting a fleet to sea on the West Coast to guard France's beaches.

- NAPOLEON

UK: Did you get my PM with the question?

France: No, I did not.

Uh? I said did UK get the PM...

Oh I get it: UK means UKnemesis to me, United Kingdom to you :lol: don't worry, I'll call you King William..

hehe, I am Britain in the game, I thought you meant me....lol

Oh brother...

I guess diplomacy is over for now until the new map update. Just some random headlines for your personal enjoyment...

MANUFACTORY TO BE BUILT IN BRUSSELS, ARLES, BREST

Today Napoleon I unveiled his plans to build new manufactories across France.

"While this will slow our military growth, France will rocket ahead of competition in trade and wealth in a few years".

The money to build these elaborate modern workplaces will be collected in the following years. France has about the income to build one factory each year, and their increased income will accelerate their growth rate and allow them to build faster. When asked which province would be given priority, Napoleon was quoted as saying "That depends on the events"....

In addition, various public projects were unveiled today under the "Civil Code" proclamation. These include libraries, a revamping of the judicial system, a modernization of the military, various new laws encouraging trade, and a system of roads and urban renewal.

Napoleon: "France will not be left behind in matters both internal and external. Our nation will soon be known as the greatest of Europe!"

Libya:
We have reconsidered and will accept your offer for an MPP in exchange for peace in Northwest Africa.

Italy:
We encourage you not to take any action against England as that would only involve yourself with us in a Mediterranean war. If you are only seeking to provoke one, then march ahead, but I advise that you don't.

England:
Hopefully Spain will not find herself embroiled in a Mediterranean war but if Italy does seek confrontation we will not hesitate to support you.

France:
Now that you are back from your short vacation, we ask solely for a right of passage in the Gulf of Lyons. Rest assured, Spain has no hostile intentions, and does not seek war with France.

TO LIBYA

France would like to make you a gift of 1000 Francs (1 gold) to use as you wish (UK, subtract it from my salary next turn). We know that Napoleon's acting Consul was neglectful of your nation during N.'s illness, but France wants nothing but friendship with the nations of Africa.
In the meantime we urge you to stay neutral in the war. Show yourselves to be the noble people you are and, like France, sensibly remain neutral in a war that has no interest for you.

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Spain, Napoleon wishes peace with you but he cannot rest idle while you join in the tussle of foolish nations wasting their young men in useless battles. Napoleon grows more and more sick daily as he realizes what a hell the nations of Europe are in for.

Rest assured, moreover, that an affront to Italy is an affront to France.

Therefore, while France neither possess the men, nor the resources, nor the will to go to war with our friendly Spanish neighbors, a Spanish-Italian war will result in a French trade embargo on Spanish products until peace is concluded.

The right of passage through the waters of the Gulf of Lyons to Spanish war ships is DENIED. Likewise, may I add, the right of Italian ships to float in these waters is also abrdiged. If you wish war with Italy, please, do not conduct it on my land or my water. Spanish troops will no more pass through the Gulf, than they shall pass through Provence.

I regret this action and the hostile overtones it may have, but France is a poor nation and does not possess armies to cover all her borders. Therefore, nations which we do not intimately trust will not be allowed to trespass on French possessions.

The detection of Spanish troops of ANY KIND in 12, 13, or J, will lead IMMEDIATELY and UNCONDITIONALLY to a declaration of War against Spain, and Peace will not be resumed until Spain cedes at least half its territory and apologizes.

I hope you will not prove so foolish as to test my bluff. French troops are already on their way to the various borders of France, but will not step over unless you provoke them.

Again, Peace to all neighbors of France.

[OOC] Toasty, I am sorry but my limited resources will not allow me to harbor Spanish Galleons in seas where they may immediately launch an attack against the ally of their enemy. I STRONGLY urge you to stay neutral. You can't gain anything from this war.

Also, Libya, we wish to sign an MPP with you, cementing our ties to your nation. We offer you another 1000 Francs if you do so, as well as the pledge to protect Tunisian territory with the last drop of our blood.

Agreed?

(UK: which side does an MPP join if it has 2? The agressor or the defender?)

I find it amusing that first after rejecting the Libyan MPP proposal in a rather hostile manner, as soon as it starts to heat up a little, they come crying for help. Stay away from Italy...

I'm willing to forego a North African war when larger pressures arise, and I'd assume any sane leader would do the same. Appearantly, that would disclude the Swedish King, who would disobey common sense for the destruction of a not-so arch nemesis.

As tensions strain, the French are less and less likely to remain neutral.... and I warn you, France can be a pivot in a war. So don't provoke us, either side.

To Prussia:

As soon as our borders meet, I wish to sign a Right of Passage. This way, our armies can attack together or defend together. If we are attacked, we can counterattack fast and effictively.

To France:

We want you to understand that if you decide to go to war we will support you. Also, if you stay nuetral, we will support you.

To Sweden and Italy:

We urge you to end this foolish war. You are the agressor. If you dare attack any British Ship or army, consider yourselves at war with Russia(and perhaps Prussia).

To Britain:

We ask for an alliance if Sweden and Italy if they attack you.

Russia: Thank you for your kind support in these troubled times. France hopes that war will not be necessary, in any case, since we are a peace-loving people.

By the by, have you guys seen the Apolyton NES? It's pretty strange... I'm glad I'm not as weak as the French player in UKNES2A! :lol: They lost one of their own provinces to Italy...

lol, well firstly I made sure I grabbed everything you wanted while you were away Troq., and some more :p

Also, Trickey isn't the most experienced player I'm afraid. But he does now have the armies to take it all back...

Oh, and Troquelet, in reply to your question, if two people you have Mutual Protection Pacts with, it's usually the defender you side with(as you are protecting them lol). But then again, you may decide to side with the others. It's up to you.

MAJOR RULE CHANGE

I've been thinking about in Civ3, nations hate you if you break a right of passage agreement and use it to attack them. This will be reflected in the game by all of that civ's armies defending at +1 against the aggressor for that turn(to reflect the anger against them. This includes against those you've sneaked into their capital using the passage rights!). Those of you who say it should be more, remember that the attacker would have the advantage of surprise, but doesn't get a bonus because once the betrayal has been realised, they will have one hell of a fight on their hands, as the bonus shows.

Anyway, Libyan responses:

TO SPAIN
FROM LIBYA

We will gladly sign a mutual protection pact with you, and will also allow you right of passage through our provinces and our seas(including I, K and L, because we consider these Libyan and Italian waters, or just international waters).

TO FRANCE
FROM LIBYA

We will happily accept your two credits next turn. Also, we will sign a Mutual Protection Pact with you.

Libya doesn't hide it's sympathies for the United Kingdom. The Swedish had no right to that land, but Libya will remain neutral.

COMBAT REPORTS:

Well, Austria took 56 before the Russians just by a show of force(2 armies to 1).

Sweden(1 fleet) v Britain(1 fleet) in Sea E

The Swedish won this bitter duel, and went on to land troops in Denmark.

Losses: 1 British fleet


Sweden(4 armies) v Britain(3 armies and 1 militia) in Denmark(38)

The Swedish were unable to inflict any serious casualties on the British, but suffered 50% losses themselves(sorry .:KNAS:., those dice were really against you! Even the militia managed a kill!).
The remaining two Swedish armies retreated, leaving Denmark in British hands.

Losses: 2 Swedish armies

UPDATED MAP:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanatics4.jpg

CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN (Already has upkeep deducted)

Russia has 16 credits to spend!

Britain has 15 credits to spend!

Turkey has 17 credits to spend!

Italy has 10 credits to spend!

Sweden has 12 credits to spend!

Prussia has 30 credits to spend!

Spain has 23 credits to spend!

Austria has 16 credits to spend!

France has 11 credits to spend!

Libya has 15 credits to spend!


As you can see from France, Sweden and Italy, upkeep is really mounting up! You can disband units, btw.

Good luck and good hunting!

Nemesis

To Sweden:

Consider yoursef at war. We give you direct orders not to attack yet you still do.

To Italy:

Your at war with Russia.

To Britian:

We wish to ally with you.

To Prussia and Austria

We, the Russians, wish to form a MPP with you two great nations to form the "European Sovernty Alliance" or ESA. Together, we will be the most powerful nations in the world.

To The World:

We, the great Russian people, will end this bloody conflict. We are sorry to say it has come to war. We wish for other nations to do their part to stop wars in Europe.

Oh, and who is at war with who?! I need to know, cause if your fleets are in the same sea, they fight etc, and I need to know if you are travelling through an ally's province or attacking that province!

Please everyone, in your PMs, declare who you are at war with(I'll make it a new part of the map update, who's at war)and if you are attacking a province, please say that you are attacking, not just "go to"!

Nemesis

Can i join in ?
I saw the whole history and I would take Lybia (quite weak but an interesting challenge)

Yeah sure. You have MPPs with Spain and France at the moment, and France is paying you 2 tribute this turn.

btw guys, I forgot to put France's tribute into the paychecks.

So France only gets 9 credits, and Libya gets 17.

Nemesis

Finally, for both NESs I'm working on a Diplomatic Picture(like the Diplomatic Advisor screen in Civ3).

This will be posted with the map at each update, and show the relations between everyone(likely colours: green means allied(mutual protection pact(MPP)), red means at war, yellow means neutral, and blue means non-aggression pact(NAP). The other agreement is a right of passage one, which can be between neutral, allied and NAP countries, unlike the others, and so can't be shown by a colour. This will instead be shown by the line being dashed.

Nemesis

To: Juliennew of Libya
Me, Sweden and Italy are currently at war, and as part of the MPP I hope that you will follow through and declare war on them as well. I'm sorry that our alliance must be tested so soon, but things come up and along with them problems.
We should cooperate in taking out that Italian fleet in sea I. It presents a huge threat to both of us, and we will commit our naval forces to defeating it.
We look forward to punishing the Italians in the Mediterranean for their foolhardy moves against our allies.

Pardon my saying, but I'm presuming you are female by your name. I wouldn't ask if you weren't French, and I'm not too fimiliar as Julienne could easily mean an English Julian :).

To: Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte of France
As both of us are now allied to Libya an MPP would be no more than a formality. We are upset by your massing of armies in Flandres, and are afraid that this might be a move against our ally in London. Such a move would cause a large confusion in the Mediterranean. We hope that you will refrain from any such rash actions.
I hope you will realize that the Italians are forcing our hand on this matter. The armada they have in the Mediterranean can only be a move against me or my (and your) ally. Therefore, we hope that you will not be offended by this.

To: King William III of England
Spain has your back as we always will in foreign affairs. The Anglo-Spanish alliance remains strong, and we will fight for us and you in the Mediterranean.
Godspeed.

To: France
From: Great Britain

I do hope the massed forces in northern France is a mistake. I have no bad intentions towards you, and hopefully you to me. I wanr you however that if an attack is incurred, then Britain and it's allies will hold no remorse.

To: Sweden
From: Great Britain

Already many lives have been loss, I suggest you move for peace.

To: Italy
From: Great Britain

Our navy sees all, and your ship full of troops in the mediterranean is of importance to use as you are near my allie. Hopefully you will come to your senses and call of an attack.

To: Spain
From: Great Britain

I am overfilled with joy that you have come to aid a victim allie. You, if war goes to plan, will be held in the highest of friends by the British. Long live the anglo-spanish pact! Also, a messenger PM has been sent to you, be sure he arrives.

To: Lybia
From: great Britain

A messenger named PM has been sent to you

To: Russia
From: Great Britain

British hearts have risen considerably due to your support of our cause. I thank you with all the thanks a man can give, and due herby accept your alliance proposal. A meesenger PM has been sent to you carrying plans of battle. Long live Mother Russia!

From Calif Abu Bakr to Napoleon the Great Ruler of the French
May the great relationship between our two people live forever !
May i ask you to mediate between Italy and Spain. A war in the mediterranean area would be catastrophic. And I should honor (Muslim fate) my MPP with Spain in case of an Italian attack on him.

From Calif Abu Bakr to the King Giovanni Bernadino of Italy
Lybia want peace. But you must know that any attack against Spain will make our two countries enter in war. I count on your wisdom to avoid this kinf of disagreement between us.

From Calif Abu bakr to the King of Spain
You must know that I disapprove any war between you and Italy. But you can count on me in case of war.

From Calif Abu Bakr to Ottoman Empire
Dear Muslim brother. The mediterranean area is on the verge of war. I wish I can count on the brothership of our two people in case of war against Italy, Inch' Allah. I send you a MPP who is waiting for your signature.

From Calif Abu Bakr to the world
My heart wants peace. I urge Sweden and England to find a political solution at their conflict. Spain and Italy too. I disaprove greatly Russia and Prussia entering this conflict.

Um, some things OOC first, for UKnemesis. I had bought a fleet and, as we agreed, I placed it in the Bay of Biscay (H). However, it doesn't seem to be on the map. A mistake I hope? :lol:

OK, Gotcha. I have 9 Gold today right? Poor me. :( No more armies. But what I have is enough to protect me I guess.

All right, to avoid confusion my diplomacy is going in a different post.

FROM: NAPOLEON, EMPEROR OF FRANCE

To: World

If I understand correctly, Sweden is at war with Britain, Spain and Russia have joined Britain, Italy has joined Sweden. Meanwhile on the side Libya has MPPs with France and Spain and wants one with Turkey, while Russia wants to join in alliance with Prussia and Austria.

It's a small world, no?

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To Great Britain:

Do not worry, friend. The troops in Normandie are merely on their way to Belgium, which is currently too weak to be trusted alone especially when other nations have direct fleet links to it. Our agreement about the Channel stands I suppose? Neither French nor British ships will ever be seen in the Channel. While I may not like your war with Sweden, ally of my friend Italy, I don't want war with you. I hope that you don't either...

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To Spain:

Your fleet in the Bay of Biscay, even while we are aware of your friendly intentions, frightens the inhabitants of the West Coast of France. That is why we are putting our own fleet in this sea (even though UK forgot about it!!!! :lol: ).

Again, the Gulf of Lyons remains and will continue to remain off-limits to all but the French. As you can easily see our poor nation needs every bit of protection we can get.

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To Prussia:

Brother nation, you never replied about my question of an MPP? I know my nation would feel stronger knowing we were standing back-to-back, and perhaps you feel the same way. If so, please reply with all possible speed, or send me a PM.

PS - This MPP would be one-sided, by the way. I would help you defend yourself and attack others, but you would only need to help me if I was attacked, not if I was attacking (that would be your option). So what do you say?

If you feel the need for stronger ties between our nations, one of my daughters is of marriageable age and she has been casting furtive glances at one of your princes (or so goes the court rumor)... let me know.

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Ok, here are the "whos in war" stats for everyone's sake:

Britain: At war with Italy and Sweden, allied with Spain and Russia
Russia: Allied with Prussia (I think??) and Britain, at war with Italy
and Sweden
Spain: Allied with Britain, MPP with Lybia and France at war with
Sweden and Italy
Lybia: MPP with France and Spain
France: MPP with Spain and Italy
Sweden: Allied with Italy, in war with Spain, Britain and Russia
Italy: Allied with Sweden, in war with Spain, Britain, and Russia
France: MPP with Spain and Lybia

This is all I know for now, and all that are Militarly importance right now in the war.

I do NOT have an MPP with Spain that I know of... :lol:

Look, the sides are basically Sweden-Italy vs Russia-England-Spain. So one side will always fight another side. Then Libya has an MPP with France and Spain.

There are no other formalized MPPs to speak of - yet. France asked Prussia for one, Libya asked Turkey for one, and Russia asked Prussia and Austria for one. If Prussia and Austria join Russia that would bring them into the war on the English side.

Libya would join on the English side as well except for the MPP with France, a neutral nation - however, it will join on the English side if Spain is directly attacked by Italy, or so I read Julienne's post.

To Russia:
Dear Tzar Chris,
The Great Ottoman Empire agrees to your proposal of non-aggression. May our glorious armies never have to face each other in battle and may Allah bless you and your children!
Sultan Kwansn

To Libya:
Dear Sultan Abu Bakr,
Of course we will stand by our brothers and agree to sign a MMP. Together we shall defend the words of Allah!
Sultan Kwansn

To Austria:
Dear King Poto,
The Great Ottoman Empire wishes a NAP with your nation.
Sultan Kwansn

To: The World
From: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy
Please, do not declare war on me! I only wish for war with Britain! We lost the race to gain the most provinces, and we are unable to defend ourselves! I request peace with every nation I am at war with besides Britain! I was simply supporting my ally Sweden by declaring war on Britain.

To: Spain
From: Italy
Please forgive me for any tensions by my fleet's presence near your nation. I request a Right of Passage with you so I may pass to attack Britain.

OOC : Sorry guys, i'm a Male :D My name's Julien, and I'm french.
How many untis can I build in one turn ? One day = One turn ?

From Calif Abu Bakr to Italy :
I declare war. I can't tolerate furthermore your fleet loaded with armies cruising my coast and Span coast.

From Calif Abu Bakr to Spain :
Count on our friendship against Italy.

From Calif Abu Bakr to France :
Dear friend.
You must know that I can't tolerate furthermore the arrogance of Italy who is cruising near my coast. Lybia expect respect from Italy, thing she didn't have from the King Giovanni Bernardino.

From Calif Abu Bakr to Turkey :
Dear brother.
My heart is consumed with joy at the MPP signed between our two people. May a long brothership arise.

From Calif Abu Bakr to England :
You can count on me for help against evil Italia.

From Calif Abu Bakr to the world :
I encourage all the world to bringa lesson to Italy and Sweden for their responsability in this new European War. May peace arise from this conflict.

Julien, a turn is not over until everyone submits their orders to UKnemesis by Private Message. Then UK resolves the orders, posts the update and a new turn starts. So usually turns take a couple days.

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To TSAR of RUSSIA

Friend, I think that adding more nations to the pile is not the right way to solve this dispute. Surely you could instead help me organize a conference between the Swedish and British to conclude a ceasefire and an agreement? After all, the dispute only concerns them - nobody else claims Denmark, and the other nations were drawn into war only by MPPs - neither Spain nor Italy can reach Denmark anyway!

TO BRITAIN and SWEDEN

I invite you to a conference (to be posted on a separate thread) for just us and Russia if he agrees, to determine the fate of Denmark.

May we succeed in ending this war.

To: Russia
Who do you think you are to give Sweden orders? And the fact that you broke our Non Agression Pact angers me even more.(check page 5, post97) However, since no attack has yet been made, i am willing to forgoe the pleasure of sacking St. Petersburg and Moscow.

To: Libya
I encourage you not to attack Italy. It will be your demise.

To: Prussia
We hope that you will be wiser then Russia, and not enter the war. We have made peaceful agreements before, and we can surely do it again.

And the fact that the world sees Sweden as the agressor on this war appauls me. It was infact Britain that first used the word WAR, we merely demanded Denmark as a term for them to enter the alliance. And secondly, they first attacked my fleet in the Baltic. It was that action that made me order the attack on Denmark.

Regardless of who started what, I think peace can only be achieved by mediation. By fighting you're only making yourselves weak and easy prey..

To Turkey:

I will be happy to sign a NAP with you. I would even go so far as to sign a MPP with you. We in Austria want to assure peace in the Baltics and hopefully our example of peace can carry over to the Netherlands.

Austria

To: King Giovanni Bernardino III of Italy

You foolhardy mongrel, there is no way in hell that you will get past the straits of Gibralatar! Spain is an ally of Great Britain, and in your tiny little corner of ignorance you assume that we are enemies with one of our closest friends?!

You have declared war on one of our allies and have done nothing but gotten yourself all tangled up in a war in the Mediterranean. If you sought to gain trouble, you have aquired more than is healthy for any single person.

Enjoy your stay, Giovanni--it will be your last.

To France:

We would enjoy peace, aswould any nation. I tried to take a peaceful stand. But, it did not work. Now, Sweden MUST be punished for its aggresion. However, I will set up a peace conferance. I fear it may not work, however, becausenations will make outragous demands that will be totally unfair. But, in order to gain peace, Russia will host the peace conferances.

To Sweden:

HOW DARE YOU? Mock Russia? Threaten Moscow? HA! Sweden will soon learn that making war against Russia is impossible to win.

To Italy:

We did not want war. But your declaration of war upon Britian started it.

To Spain:

We wish for a Non Aggresion Pact with you. Let our friendship reign forever!

To Prussia:

We have once again sent "PM", our fastest messenger to you.

To Britian:

We hope that soon this war will be over. We are going to send you our plans for a postwar world.

Whu would we send a messenger to a lande we are at war with? Sweden will not attend any conferences in Russia, except for after we have destroyed them

Well, it looks like Sweden and Italy are down the drain now :( 2 players vs 5...

To Sweden:

Alright. If you wont attend, I think we should hold the conferance in a neutral country, such as France or Austria

UKnemesis, please ignore the orders I sent you! I need to change my orders... let me think about what to do for a while. I'll send you the REAL orders shortly, k? sorry...

To the untrained eye it may seem so, but we have a few cards up our sleeves...

Britain and Spain, I would like to add you to my list of MPP'd nations besides Libya. Will you agree?

Italy and Sweden I have decided that the sooner this war is over the better it will be for Europe as a whole and France specifically. That is why I am helping to hasten the outcome.

Italy and Sweden, consider yourselves at war with France.

Prussia, I still have not heard from you regarding the proposed MPP between us. As noted before, you would not need to join my war against Italy and Sweden unless you wish. If you don't want an MPP, I hope at least a NAP will show the friendship between our nations.

Spain, PM me so we can discuss a split of Italy's lands.

Libya, your MPP with me need not bring you into the war on my side unless you wish.

Russia, good luck conquering Sweden. However, be cautious!

UKn, my orders are coming your way by 9:00 today...

WARNING: after the war I am disbanding ALL my units to show that France is a peaceful country. I also hope that this will help reveal exactly who are the greedy imperialists who need to be dealt with - so be warned! :lol: (I need to disband military so I can build factories, so I'll be out of this war after the conquest of Italy, sorry...)

To Sweden: Your thereby may consider yourself in war with Prussia.

I almsot forgot: Italy is in war with me too.

So.... is Italy the ONLY country im not at war with, lol

To Britain: Do you want to send soem forces to help you out in Denmark?

To Britain: Do you want us to send some forces to help you out in Denmark?

To Every Nation in War with Italy and Sweden
From: Great Britain

I am overjoyed with the amount of support for the British people! I thank all nations.

To: Sweden
From: Great Britain

I naval attack never happened from my warships in the begining. Your lies are plaguing the land of Europe, and I hope you will cease it.

Britain, your lips move but all i hear is: bla bla bla...

OOC : How many armies and fleet can I build at max during one turn ?

However many you have the money to buy.

Nemesis

You have 17 Gold, right Julienne? And fleets are 5 each, armies 3 each.

Julienne, I sent you a PM.

ATTENTION ALL NATIONS ALLIED WITH BRITAIN: I have started a thread devoted to our war plans.

ATTENTION TO ALL OTHER NATIONS: To keep the game fair, please do NOT spy on it or UK will remove you from the game.

Quick question:

Is there still a Russian Army sitting in #56 left over or is that a typo of sorts? It appears rather hidden in the number "56" Of course I could be losing my mind which is entirely possible.

Too much work not enough Civ

OOC : The Troquelet, I didn't receive your PM.

No, I decided to post my ideas for what you should do in the ALLY thread instead: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=358294#post358294

To Prussia:

I have sent PM once again to tell you what I think our post war world should be like.

To Austria:

I have send PMs son, PM Junior, to tell you our plans for a post war world.

To France:

We, the Russian people. give you a great salute. Your actions to urge peace and leadership are quite remarckable.

The French people graciously accept your praise. We hope the future will not remain a mystery to us for very much longer?

To: Sweden
From: Italy
We are at war with every other nation in Europe. As much as I would love to make peace with Britain, I will fight alongside you until the very end. We are sadly outnumbered, but I believe we can put up a good fight. Best of luck to us both.

Russia:

PM's Son must have died en route to Austria. Never got it.

To: Italy
From: Sweden
When we have won the war, we must divide the territories between us. I suggest Sweden gets 53,54,57,59,60,61,62,63,58,37,36,38,35,2,3,4,5,6,3 9. And Italy will get the rest.(Spain, Libya, France and parts of Prussia) Agreed? And you did recieve my PM?

There is no way you could possibly win this war, Sweden, except by convincing one of us to double cross, and even then it would only prolong the inevitable. Say gbye to your nation, Sweden.

...and say hello to the Viking Empire :D

And how do you propose to conquer 5 nations with the armies of 2?

To The World:

This war is won. But there is fighting in the allies. Well, Russia is about to become the strongest nation in the world. And we are tired of taking orders from nations on the other side of Europe. So Russia introduces a new policy. First take, keeps it. Russia is NOT going to give up ANY land that we conquer UNLESS we get our fair share.

To Sweden:

You've gone mad, sir.

To France:

Russia is sorry that your going to disagree with our plans. We hope that you understand.

To Prussia:

Hello, friend. We sent PM again to meet with you.

To Austria:

PM Junior is on his way over.

To Ottoman Turkey:

PM's brother, PM II is on his way over.

I am sure that, tired as you are of arguing with me, you would still rather not fight me. That's why I urge you to invade Sweden, not France. Be careful which nation you pick, friend. Sweden is helpless, France has the might of the "other side of Europe" as you so quaintly call it, behind it. Annoy us and you WILL lose out in the end.

Has Russia ever made a threat to France? I think not! And I feel Russia has also been a vital role in the allies, which you will soon see in the upcoming months of the war. Perhaps everything would go better if France didnt act like The King of Europe.

I'll be honest with you. I need your help but I don't trust you one bit, nor your RAP alliance - and I'm sure you feel the same way about me. We can work together first and argue later. So for now, just let's take care of the war with Sweden and Italy...

France, you are deemed worthy to finally meet the great and mighty PM.

I await eagerly his coming.

ORDERS NOT RECEIVED:/

No orders were received from Poto(Austria) and so I moved for him(but because the borders were okay in my opinion, I actually just stored the credits).

DISBANDMENTS
Perhaps in a show of friendship towards Europe's foremost seapower, Britain, France has disbanded her only fleet, the one in Sea H(the one I forgot to put on the map lol).

COMBAT REPORTS

Province 64(Swedish)

2 Russian armies attacked across the border against one defending Swedish army and the Province Militia. Both Russian armies failed to make an impact, while the Swedes destroyed one Russian army. The other fled back across the border.

Losses: 1 Russian army

Sea E
A bold attempt to attack the Prussian capital with 4 armies by the Swedes was foiled by an Anglo-Prussian effort. Both the British and Prussian fleets scored hits on the Swedish, with the British eventually sacrificing themselves to save the Prussian fleet which had armies aboard.

All 4 Swedish armies went down with their ships.

Losses: 1 Swedish fleet, 4 Swedish armies, 1 British fleet.

Sea K

A brave attack by the small Libyan nation upon the powerful Italians paid off.

2 Italian and 2 Libyan fleets, all but one(an Italian fleet) having armies aboard.

Both Italian fleets were sunk, and one Libyan fleet. One of the Italian fleets had 4 armies aboard, and the Libyan fleet had one army aboard. The 4 armies on the remaining Libyan fleet went on to attack Rome.

Losses: 2 Italian fleets, 4 Italian armies, 1 Libyan fleet, 1 Libyan army.

Province 29(Italian capital)

Four Libyan armies landed to take on 2 Italian armies and the Capital Militia.

The Italians were quickly routed, but inflicted serious damage(50%) upon an enemy which outnumbered them.

Rome has fallen, will this bring Italy to the negotiating table?

Losses: 2 Italian armies, 2 Libyan armies.

UPDATED MAP
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/uknesiicivfanatics5.jpg

CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN (Already has upkeep deducted)

Russia has 14 credits to spend!

Britain has 12 credits to spend!

Turkey has 14 credits to spend!

Italy has 10 credits to spend!

Sweden has 12 credits to spend!

Prussia has 31 credits to spend!

Spain has 15 credits to spend!

Austria has 30 credits to spend!

France has 10 credits to spend!

Libya has 13 credits to spend!

Good luck everyone!

Nemesis

UKNemesis, I have a question. Maybe I'm missing out on the math part of it a bit, but nobody has been building factories. Is this because they are too expensive? At 25 Gold and a 2-Gold increase in income, they take 13 turns to break even. We've only played four turns so far! Could you lower the price a bit so as to make them more appealing, because I'm sure it would have more interest to the game (like suddenly some provinces are more valuable to protect/attack, or if you build one on the border they think you're going to attack them etc,...)

I think you should be able to buy one with just 5 gold! They pay off in 3 turns. Now remember that in 3 turns, we went from a peaceful Europe to a quarrel over Denmark to the whole world joining in to the conquest of Sweden and Italy. So a lot can happen in 3 turns! :lol:

Hmm... I have an idea lol.

MAJOR RULE CHANGE

You can buy a production centre for 25 credits, which allows you to build armies and fleets in that province, and increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a black circle with white inside(like your capital).

You can buy a barracks for 15 credits, that can only build armies, and increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a black square with white inside.

You can buy a dockyard for 10 credits, that can only build fleets, and increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a white circle with black inside.

You can buy a town hall for 5 credits that increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a white square with black inside.

You cannot upgrade from one to the other, if you want to change the type of building, you must pull down the other one and build a new one there.

EACH PROVINCE CAN ONLY HOLD ONE TYPE OF BUILDING.

Nemesis

Time to show Frances true color...


The Troquelet wrote on Jun 30, 2002 07:34 PM:
From Napoleon

Yes, I am planning war with Britain, but keep it quiet! Please don't try to make me publically join your side anymore. I have no interest in Denmark, so why don't you attack that, and I'll take Ireland. Then we can deal with England.

Again, secrecy is a MUST. Shh!

- Napoleon :D your ally in secret.

PS - feel free to forward this to Italy if you want. I don't see how Italy can aid our conflict yet, but I want to gain his friendship.


and:


The Troquelet wrote on Jun 30, 2002 08:00 PM:
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

KNAS! Next turn I am sending 8 armies by convoy to London! Do NOT attack London, I'm attacking London! UKnem will think we are fighting each other! Change your orders!

Sorry, I'm really worried. :worried:

Italy's 2 armies cannot possibly help the war. Look at it from a common sense viewpoint.

If you attack Denmark now, even with a token force that is BOUND to fail say 2 armies, England will send more armies to Denmark. Then, while his armies are funneling east you can attack out of the North Sea and seize Scotland and Iceland, and I can take London from the Channel.

It makes MUCH more sense to attack Denmark now! It means Britain is unprepared for our joint attacks on his homeland.

I STRONGLY URGE you to change your orders. Please! I don't want this war to fail, and trust me, if you attack London it will fail.

For the moment, I AM attacking London and I will takes Wales as well if I have the strength left.

PLEASE! HURRY! And tell Italy to change his orders as well!

- Napoleon


and finaly:


The Troquelet wrote on Jul 01, 2002 03:21 AM:
If Spain remembers his MPP, Italy and I will take the oppurtunity to conquer him.

A much larger threat is Turkey. After we remove some nearby enemies we MUST think what to do with him. He is much too large to be trusted, but maybe we can keep him at peace for a while.

I am worried as well about Austria. Austria was stupid enough to let Turkey have Serbia and Albania without a shot, and Austria lies directly in the path of Turkey's expansion.

Also, what are all those Italian armies doing in Switzerland? Hopefully not attacking me? I tell you I will respond very crabbily to a double-cross.

Besides, Italy should be wary of the Austrian armies nearby. Warn him. All the eastern countries are not to be trusted - they're up against a wall and will do anything to expand...

Wishing you luck in Denmark,

Napoleon

(forward to Italy as well)

Should we perhaps get another member to the alliance?


Now, sum up nations who have broken pacts with me: Russia (NAP), France (Secret Alliance, but it has not yet been broken, since he has not attacked Me or Italy... yet) I can see very clearly how Sweden is an agressive militaristic regime...

:p

You're brilliant, UK! (I had an idea in my own NES I'm plotting that you could upgrade a province from a town to a city to a metro each with a different level of income but this is MUCH better! :lol: )

Anyway, you said I had 10 gold left over, right? So I don't want to bank it, I'll build 1 Town Hall each in 13 and 8. (It costs nothing to tear one down, right? You just have to pay for the new one?)

If Poto doesn't get orders in this turn or the next, he's outta the game and the first player to be destroyed can take Austria.

After that, or if Poto returns, then players destroyed can come back in revolutions or invaders. I will PM you when you are defeated giving you a purpose.

The first will most likely be an invasion rather than independence.

Nemesis

It costs nothing to tear stuff down(you could even rip down your capital if you wanted(and if you're dumb :p)).

Also, is Sweden telling the truth? Has he revealed Napoleon's true colours? Or is he lying, and France have honest reasons at heart?

Only time will tell!

Nemesis

OH, that's cute Sweden? Just can't lose a war honorably can you?

Actually, I'll be honest with all of you! They aren't forged. I DID write these letters to Sweden.

Here were my war plans: I would pretend to remain neutral, in the meantime, I would move my armies to Picardie (8). I would tell Sweden this was a plot against Britain, and this would make him keep his paws off London (as you saw, I told him mainland Britain would be mine, so he stayed away from it). Then next turn 2 pair of fleets would take my armies to Sweden, thereby double-crossing him. He would have sent all his armies to Denmark as I advised him, I would reveal to Britain how I had saved his neck from a Swedish naval invasion (which, as you saw WAS part of Sweden's plans before I stopped it). Then I would join the Alliance, with the extra advantage of having taken some territory without asking anyone's permission.

Then, 2 things happened: Sweden reminded me by accident that he was allied with Italy, and I realized I was leaving my back door open to an Italian attack when I crossed Sweden. Then also, I realized how hard it would be to hold onto Sweden when Britain and Prussia both want it (and you saw yourself how much we've bickered, it was probably a good idea for me not go North).

So, still pretending to be Sweden's ally, I changed my plans to move my armies south. Next turn when Sweden could no longer be in doubt of my intentions, I declared war on him and Italy and offered to join the Alliance.

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Anyway, that's the history of my nation so far. And yes, as you can see, Sweden, I double-crossed you. That's diplomacy. You can't trust anyone. I didn't trust you for instance - you never offered me MPP, which would have made both of us more reluctant to attack each other, which gave me a suspicion you were going to double-cross ME anyway!

Originally posted by The Troquelet
OH, that's cute Sweden? Just can't lose a war honorably can you?


I sure as hell cant:D

and BTW, im not loosing....:rolleyes:

Alliance members, by the way, know that even when I was pretending to be Sweden's ally I had joined the Alliance (this is on the turn I had 8 armies in Picardie). We discussed a huge naval convoy of that army to Sweden's capital, 69, but it fell apart when Britain and Prussia never responded. Also by that time I felt the Italian threat was too great to be ignored: also, my staunchest allies were now in the Mediterranean (Spain and Libya) and I felt that splitting Italy with them would be safer since I had MPPs with them (unlike Britain, Prussia, and Russia) and also the territory was closer to home.

So, yes, I'm a scoundrel at heart (this is the country that produced Talleyrand!) but the only thing I've done is D-C Sweden.

but it has only been a few turns yet...

"I'm not losing...."

Anything but your mind? :lol: Don't worry KNAS, you have 2 turns at most after a Prussian/Russian invasion, and your ally Italy will have only 1 territory next turn.

[OOC]Sorry we had to pick on you, man. But I think UKnem will bring you back somehow :D so no worries! Also, I enjoyed trying out that ploy on you even if you didn't :( Have you ever played Diplomacy?

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that right of passage agreements that are used to put troops into positions to attack your ally, or breaking a MPP by attacking you ally will both result in the person you backstabbed getting a +1 bonus to all dice rolls made against your country(attacking AND defending!).

This is the rule that makes it harder for people to backstab.

Nemesis

ooc: no i havent.... i said it at the beginning, this was my first NES...:) /ooc

now, the Russian Army is ill equipped and poorly trained. They dont stand a chance. Britains navy is albeit large but it sucks. Their army got lucky. The Prussian fleet only won cuz my boat had already killed two British fleets. All others have yet to step up onto the chopping block...

"only been a few turns yet..."

True. but World: rest assured I'm not going to double cross anyone in the next few years. Or even attack anyone. You all know my demilitarization procedures for post-war (I hope some sensible nations will someday follow in my footsteps!).

I can confirm that France definetly isn't double crossing anyone this turn, and has orders to demilitarise if everything goes well.

Nemesis

ooc: a great suggestion about money, what do ya say bout giving each player an equal amount of gold as their PC is..... I think its fair...:D

Yeah, UKnemesis, that should make it a lot harder :D and it means we Western nations can stand back to back with no fear.

Anyway, a backstab is basically just being two steps ahead. That's a maxim of diplomacy, if you're on the same level as your neighbor you've lost the game. Even if you're one step ahead, the other guy can usually guess what you;re up to and usually prevent it. You have to be 2 steps ahead of the enemy.

For example, right now my armies are outside Italy. Assuming I'm going to attack Italy is being on the same level. Now, if I were to turn around and attack Libya by fleet, that's 1 step. But if I were to be Libya's ally, convince him to send all his armies by boat to Italy, and leave his home totally undefended, and THEN attack, that's 2 steps.

Now obviously I'm not going to attack Libya (sorry for using you as the example Juliennew!) for 3 reasons:

1 - I like Libya :D Libya's always been nice to me and fair to everyone else

2 - I have an MPP with Libya

3 - There are more gains to be had in attacking Italy than Libya, because Libya has a larger income and army, more allies, and is farther away.

So as you can see, I would take the 1st step and attack Italy. Now, Italy can't prevent this because he has nothing to stop me with and he has no double step against ME. So Italy, being on the same level as me and with less armies, is bound to lose eventually. His only solution is diplomacy, for which it's a bit late now because I have cemented the France-Spain-Libya alliance.

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Lesson learned: to win, be a terrific diplomat or have an army 5x the size of everyone else's! Both very hard to do.

.. or just really rely on luck [dance]

OK, I'm just posting this in as many places as possible so maybe Prussia and Austria will read it.

I HAVE GIVEN MY TROOPS ORDERS TO FIRE ON ALL NON-FRENCH TROOPS SEEN IN 30 OR 32.

So stay out unless you want to be attacked! :lol:

To Turkey:

Why the sudden buildup of Turkish troops on the Russian border?

To France:

Why cant Austria get land? It seems only allies YOU invited into the allies get land.

I claim MY FAIR SHARE, 2 provinces, and anyone who trespasses on my land faces war. It's just that simple! Austria only tried to join when he saw we could easily win and there was land for the taking.

If you want, give him part of Sweden. But I am telling you here and now, that Italy's borders are permanent.


I didn't "invite" anyone into the Alliance. Libya and Spain joined by themselves.

To prussia :
When did Prussia began to take care of the catholic church ? Prussia is a Lutherian country since the 16th century and your constitution doesn't associate your state with the Vatican. Find another pretext for me to leave Rome dear Kaiser.

To the world :
As I said three months ago, Lybia won't invade the Vatican and leave religion liberty to all occupied Italian's lands. This message especially belongs to Spain but the King never emiitted an objection in this Vatican's case.
And we're in the 19th century and the French Revolution has already broke these ancient times, when the Pope was ruling upon the Europeans leaders.

To Russia :
You seem to have a poor memory dear Tzar.
Spain and England have a MPP.
Italy and Sweden have a MPP.
Sweden attacked England. This action bringed Italy and Spain into the war.
I have a MPP with Spain and France. An Italian fleet was cruising at my friend's border without asking for a permission to do it. This fleet was direclty menacing Spain.
My MPP and my sense of honor bringed me into this war to protect Spain and to eradicate the Italian's threat. This incident, I confess it, is also a chance for me to extend my weak nation and to bring me on the European scene with these Italians lands annexed. With this done, I will have more diplomatics power to counter your bad willings for Europe.
The MPP France had with me bringed him into this war too.
But you dear Tzar ? Do you have a MPP with England ? No With Spain ? No With France ? No With me ? No
Thats' why you should be more humble in this war dear friend.

OOC: You guys know im acting like an idiot to be like the real Russia, right?

OOC : What are the current states of the MPP between nations ?
Lybia have MPP with France, Spain and Turkey.

Yeah. Sometimes acting in character gets to be a bit straining... I'm sick and tired of being a whiner and a trouble-maker, but that's what France is... and just like Russia (or, that's the impression I get), she wants to take over the world...

Oh well! As long as I don't have TOO many enemies! :lol:

OK, here are the MPPs:

First we have the Med Alliance, which is Libya, France, Spain, and Turkey, who all have MPPs with each other. Turkey only has an MPP with Libya, but if for example France fights, Libya has to, and then Turkey has to as well.

Then we have the RAP Alliance, which is Russia, Austria, and Prussia, who all have MPPs with each other, and they have Right of Passage Agreements as well.

Then there is a DMZ, where nobody can go, in the English Channel, agreed upon by France and England.

Finally, England has an MPP with Spain, which makes him part of the Med Alliance as well if Spain fights.

Now, Italy and Sweden have an MPP but that hardly matters since soon they'll be gone :D

Last of all, there are 2 links between the West (Britain, France, Spain, Libya, Turkey) and the East (Russia, Prussia, Austria).

If I'm not mistaken, Russia has an MPP with Turkey, so in a war between West and East Turkey will fight with the defender, supposedly.

Also, France has an MPP with Prussia, but it's not as strong a pact as there is between France-West and Prussia-East. Still, France and Prussia will defend each other if attacked.