At C. Roland's suggestion, I'm started a thread listing some of the leaderhead art required for the project.

In some case, LH art does not exist and we need someone to put something together for us.

In other cases, we have LH art, but it is either based on an overused template or isn't really that well done (probably one I did. :p) With the new LHs added by BtS, it may be time to re-visit some existing models.

Here is a list of our requirements, with links to pictures for reference. Where appropriate, I will update with the name of the person who volunteers to take it on:

Pierre Trudeau, Canada (bernie14) - COMPLETED
http://www.liceoberchet.it/ricerche/geo5d_04/America_Nord/Canada/immagini/trudeau.jpg

Bernardo O'Higgins, Chile (NikNaks93)
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=92964&rendTypeId=4

Helen Clark, New Zealand
http://last-straw.net/wp-content/uploads/helen_clark.jpg

Emperor Jimmu, Jomon (Wyz_sub10) - COMPLETED
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Emperor_Jimmu.jpg

Nelson Mandela, South Africa (bernie14) - COMPLETED
http://www.anc.org.za/images/people/nelsonm.jpg

Louis Riel, Vo'oestaneo'o (C.Roland) - COMPLETED
http://www.lackenbauer.ca/Hist103/pics/c052177.jpg

Chief Joseph, Ni-Mii-Pu (Amra/Wyz_sub10) - COMPLETED
http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/weblect/lec03/indian_chief_joseph.jpg

Geronimo, Dinnehih (bernie14) - COMPLETED
http://www.historyplace.com/specials/calendar/docs-pix/geronimo.jpg

Cochise, Dinniehih (Wyz_sub10) - COMPLETED
http://files.myopera.com/0nan/imagenes1/Cochise.jpg

Ajatashatru, Vedics(bernie14) - COMPLETED
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://thumbnail.search.aolcdn.com/truveo/images/thumbnails/B8/A5/B8A58B3CA00B15.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.videospider.tv/Videos/Detail/70338544.aspx&h=90&w=110&sz=3&hl=en&start=23&um=1&tbnid=vd8ARwwb2wJrgM:&tbnh=70&tbnw=85&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dajatashatru%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18% 26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Generic leader, Oxus (Amra/Wyz_sub10) - COMPLETED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria-Margiana_Archaeological_Complex

Emperor Yu, Yangshao (dutchking)
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/2/25/YuTheGreat.JPG

Olesuwon Obasanjo, Nigeria(bernie14) - COMPLETED
http://worldnews.about.com/b/a/611px-Olusegun_Obasanjo_(Brasilia_6_September_2005).jpg

Umaru Musa Yar'Adua, Nigeria
(see below)

I have models for some of these already, but they are inideal for whatever reason.

All of these require doing at some point, and our timelines are quite aggressive, so any help would be appreciated!

Emperor Yu, Yangshao
http://content.answers.com/main/cont...YuTheGreat.JPG
I'll take you up on that one.

I'll take you up on that one.

Done.

Thank yu. :p

As a French Canadien, I'll take Riel.

It is probably not the face that I think would be the funniest to make, but it's nice to have Riel in game :D

By the way, can we know wich civs are planned for the 4.0 ?

By the way, can we know wich civs are planned for the 4.0 ?

Here you go:

Ainu
Anishnaabek
Aniyonega
Armenia
Assyria
Baktria
Batavii
Bolivarian
Bulgaria
Buryat
Chile
Congo
Cuba
Czech-Slovak
Denmark
Dinnehih
Etruria
Goths
Harappan
Hittites
Italy
Jomon
Kanem-Bornu
Khoisan
Kushans
Majapahit
Mande
Mexico
Minoa
Mutapa
New Zealand
Nigeria
Ni-Mii-Pu
Olmec
Oxus
Phoenicia
Picts
Piliwni
Sami
Selucid
Somalia
South Africa
Tillikum
Troy
Tupi
Uyghur
Vedic
Vo'estaneo'o
Wales
West Indies
Yangshao
Yanomami

Here you go:

Ainu
Anishnaabek
Aniyonega
Armenia
Assyria
Baktria
Batavii
Bolivarian
Bulgaria
Buryat
Chile
Congo
Cuba
Czech-Slovak
Denmark
Dinnehih
Etruria
Goths
Harappan
Hittites
Italy
Jomon
Kanem-Bornu
Khoisan
Kushans
Majapahit
Mande
Mexico
Minoa
Mutapa
New Zealand
Nigeria
Ni-Mii-Pu
Olmec
Oxus
Phoenicia
Picts
Piliwni
Sami
Selucid
Somalia
South Africa
Tillikum
Troy
Tupi
Uyghur
Vedic
Vo'estaneo'o
Wales
West Indies
Yangshao
Yanomami

By South Africa, what do you mean ? Is it a kind of Boer Civ (and Rabbit made a nice UU if it is the case)?

If it is not to much difficult, can tou list the leaders that you have planned for each ? It is because I'm planning to recycle some old leaders and it may help me to find who I can transform to who :D

By South Africa, what do you mean ? Is it a kind of Boer Civ (and Rabbit made a nice UU if it is the case)?

We've decided to add a few more modern nations to 4.0. The goal is to cover, not only the world in a geographic sense, but in a historical sense as well. Thus, the Oxus and Yangshao are included at one end of the spectrum, and modern South Africa, Italy (and of course Canada, Brazil, etc.) at the other.

If it is not to much difficult, can tou list the leaders that you have planned for each ? It is because I'm planning to recycle some old leaders and it may help me to find who I can transform to who :D

Yup. I'll post in a few minutes.

Ainu (Shakushain*)
Anishnaabek (Tecumseh* and Donnacona^)
Aniyonega (Osceola^ and maybe Sequoya~)
Armenia (Mehai I*, Andranik - Amra's civ)
Baktria (Diodotus I^ - Aranor's civ)
Batavii (Civilis^ - Aranor's civ)
Bolivarian (Bolivar^)
Bulgaria (Stambolov - Amra's civ)
Buryat (Gesser*)
Chile (O'Higgins~)
Congo (Nimi^)
Cuba (Castro*)
Czech-Slovak (Maseryk*)
Denmark (Christian IV~)
Dinnehih (Geronimo~ and Cochise~)
Etruria (Porsena - Amra's civ)
Goths (Alaric - Amra's civ)
Harappan (symbolic leader^)
Hittites (Suppiluliuma - Amra's civ)
Italy (Vittorio* and de Medici*)
Jomon (Jimmu*)
Kanem-Bornu (Alooma*)
Khoisan (Witboi*)
Kushans (Kanishka - Amra's civ)
Majapahit (Mada - Amra's civ)
Mande (Aksia~)
Mexico (Hidalgo* and ?)
Minoa (Satur - Amra's civ)
Mutapa (Mutota~)
New Zealand (Clarke~)
Nigeria (Obasanjo^)
Ni-Mii-Pu (Hinmanton (Chief Joseph)~)
Olmec (Po Ngbe*)
Oxus (symbolic leader~)
Phoenicia (Hiram*)
Picts (Calgacus - Amra's civ)
Piliwni (Wovoka*)
Sami (Svaase^)
Selucid (Nicator^ - Aranor's civ)
Somalia (Daar*)
South Africa (Mandela~ and Botha~)
Tillikum (Skitigeit^ and maybe Comcomly)
Troy (Hector - Amra's civ)
Tupi (Cunambebe*)
Uyghur (Bayanchur~)
Vedic (Ajatashatru^)
Vo'estaneo'o (Riel* and maybe Kakit~)
Wales (Llewellyn - esnaz' civ)
West Indies (Patterson^ and Williams^)
Yangshao (Yu~)
Yanomami (Kopenawa*)

* = good LH exists
^ = LH exists but could be better
~ = no LH currently exists

"Could be better" usually means that not much has been added to the LH besides a re-colour or that something is "off" - skin tone, for instance.

LH's from Amra's civs can be seen here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2646

For Mexico, I don't know wich LH you are using, but he would be really easy to make with a recycled AstroTech (Final Frontier) Leader, so I'll do him if you can't convince me that the graphic you are already using is better :D (screenshot or link ?)

For his second leader, what about Lázaro Cárdenas for a modern Leader ?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255827

Also, I'm planning on doing a Zapata leader that could be use as a third Leader. (I really want to make a mexican LH with a hat :D)

What do you think ?

I've included Franz w/Austria in my 1790 AD for CIV Gold BTS scenario, but his eyes look weird. It'd be wonderful if anyone can fix this.:please:

I could help with that if you need me, just PM me if you feel the urge.

BTW, I'll post my progress on that "yu" guy later. :)

For Mexico, I don't know wich LH you are using, but he would be really easy to make with a recycled AstroTech (Final Frontier) Leader, so I'll do him if you can't convince me that the graphic you are already using is better :D (screenshot or link ?)

I'm using Napoleon, and the LH is very simple. I'll post a screen tonight. Of course, I am always open to better LHs than the ones I do. :)

For his second leader, what about Lázaro Cárdenas for a modern Leader ?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255827

Also, I'm planning on doing a Zapata leader that could be use as a third Leader. (I really want to make a mexican LH with a hat :D)

What do you think ?

Both sound good to me!

I've included Franz w/Austria in my 1790 AD for CIV Gold BTS scenario, but his eyes look weird. It'd be wonderful if anyone can fix this.:please:

Hmmm, that's odd. There is an alternate Franz Joseph including in the BtS modula Austria. Maybe that's a better match.

Just as a suggestion, for those who haven't noticed, for Nigeria Obasanjo is no longer in power. Umaru Musa Yar'Adua is the new president and a better and more interesting leader. Obasanjo goes with the trend of power hungry and corrupt where Yar'Adua has shown he is a charismatic servant leader. If the leaderhead for Obasanjo is already under construction then keep up the good work but if not you may want to consider the current president as a better candidate. Good luck on 4.0 guys!:goodjob:

Info:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umaru_Yar%27Adua
LH pic:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Umaruyaradua07052007.jpghttp://images.scotsman.com/2007/07/04/2007-07-04T173314Z_01_NOOTR_RTRIDSP_2_OUKWD-UK-NIGERIA-MINISTERS.jpg
Traits: Charismatic, Industrious
favorite civic: Universal Suffrage

Great suggestion. I added him to the list. Maybe we can do both.

I already have an Obasanjo, but it isn't very good.

thank you Wyz!:) and if u don't mind, could you post a picture of the obasanjo leaderhead?

Updated the list to reflect completed work. Also, C. Roland added a LH of Hidalgo, which we already had but his version (as usual) is much better.

Any other takers out there?

ewu.7waker,

I'll try to do that tonight, but it's compleeeeeeete crap! :D

I may be interested but I'm still working on some leaders I wanted for my personal mod - Bolivar, some California leaders, George III, Ataturk...

Well, Bolivar is one we need, and we had Ataturk in an older version (but the LH was inaccurate). If you end up doing Ataturk, we may re-add him.

Either way, if you're doing Bolivar and Ataturk for your mod, we would love to be able to use them.

Sorry I've been taking so long...
I've been...busy! :p
I'll get on Wu soon.

No worries, thanks!

Updated LH progress.

Good Progress!! i would really love to see a screen of obasanjo

Here you are. It's just an image from NifSkope, so it doesn't look as sharp as it will in the game (with a background as well, of course).

Awesome Wyz. :)

Here you are. It's just an image from NifSkope, so it doesn't look as sharp as it will in the game (with a background as well, of course).
Great job bernie! :goodjob:

Yeah, that's alllllll bernie. He re-did a tonne of LHs for us and they're all gold! (...no pun intended)

Tonight I'll add a couple more.

lol I thought you made it. :p

Wyz,

Do you still need a LH done for Helen Clark of New Zealand? I've been working on another LH for my modpack which looks very similar to the image linked in post#1. Let me know if no one else has claimed her & I'll see what I can do for you.

That LH for Obasanjo is INCREDIBLE! Good job to all those who worked on it

lol I thought you made it. :p

Well, I made the original base...but seriously, by the time bernie was done is looked like a completely different model (and it was).

I suppose I can claim credit for putting the hat on him. :D

Wyz,

Do you still need a LH done for Helen Clark of New Zealand? I've been working on another LH for my modpack which looks very similar to the image linked in post#1. Let me know if no one else has claimed her & I'll see what I can do for you.

Yes I do!

There are really only 3 LHs remaining - Helen Clark, Bernardo O'Higgins and Emperor Yu. The first is currently not spoekn for. If you have something, that would be great!

If anyone wants Emperor Yu I can give him up, I'm busy, but I'll do it if no one else wants him. :p Pretty cool LH to make I'd say.
Wang Kon Hat, Kublai Khan Body...

Yes I do!

There are really only 3 LHs remaining - Helen Clark, Bernardo O'Higgins and Emperor Yu. The first is currently not spoekn for. If you have something, that would be great!I'd like to try the Helen Clark LH, if that's okay.

I'd like to try the Helen Clark LH, if that's okay.

That would be great, thanks!

I , myself is making an Uyghur civ as well and here is the LH I made . though it may not be good quality , I wanna now if it's ok with you

I , myself is making an Uyghur civ as well and here is the LH I made . though it may not be good quality , I wanna now if it's ok with you

That's very cool. :goodjob:

I'm trying to do a LH of Byanchur Khan. I have one, but I'm not happy with it.

who did the patterson leaderhead???????????

who did the patterson leaderhead???????????

Bernie14.

Pretty awesome, huh? He used a photo overlay that worked perfectly.

amazing...just amazing

you need to post a screenshot of it..that alone will get people to download the awesome mod :D

the background .dds for Franz Joseph should be changed. I used this pic:
http://www.hotelpayment.com/html/Australia/Image/Belvedere_Palace_Vienna_Austria.jpg
keep up the good work.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=83405&rendTypeId=4

I'll see what I can do for Franz.

amazing...just amazing

you need to post a screenshot of it..that alone will get people to download the awesome mod :D

Thanks a tonne! And thanks to you for you LH work.

I need to get some screenies put together.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/16march08.jpg?t=1206675164
hiya. I spent a good part of my Sunday making C.Roland's Dido of Carthage (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=247286) more lifelike. Any feedback is appreciated.

Cool, mourndraken. Thanks!

Want to take a stab at a request or two??

I'm creating Imhotep for Egypt right now but I'm open to a few requests. I like to be working on 3 projects at a time; for mental variety ..

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/provenleaders46.jpg

(Again: ) Looks great! (Franz I? Is he redone? Is he?):goodjob:

BTW, any preview on Attila?:confused:

I'm creating Imhotep for Egypt right now but I'm open to a few requests. I like to be working on 3 projects at a time; for mental variety ..

Cool. Check your PMs.

may I request Ekmek/PW90's Taizong to be used

may I request Ekmek/PW90's Taizong to be usedIf you have that leaderhead, please post it in the downloads database. It's been missing since CFC got hacked. Me, I've been trying to find that work for a few weeks now.

I have it , but I've modified it

I don't care about XML. That art was great and now it's gone. whatever you have is better than what I have. I think less than 40 people got that before it was erased.

May I request Ekmek's new Dom Pedro & Avain's reskin of Cleo be included in the update. :please:

I'm trying to build a concept for a leader to represent the Nazca. Other than lines on the desert, pottery, cliff houses, and mummies, they really didn't leave much to future generations. From the remains, I can visualize a look for a leader. The thing that would really cement that leader would be a name. I was thinking King Hummingbird or something similar.

I'm trying to build a concept for a leader to represent the Nazca. Other than lines on the desert, pottery, cliff houses, and mummies, they really didn't leave much to future generations. From the remains, I can visualize a look for a leader. The thing that would really cement that leader would be a name. I was thinking King Hummingbird or something similar.

Why not call him Humming Bird?:mischief:

I scaled Shaka's nose to the same length as Ramses' and independently did the same with his lips to the same width as Ramses'. I equalized skin tones. I smoothed the seam. I colorized the head wrap to better match the body. I wanted a change from Ramses, so I copied Hatshepsut's neck saucer. I kept Ramses green eyes. I haven't seen Amra's work. What does he look like ?:blush:Sorry: I've checked but your Piye looks actually quite different from Amra's rendering.For the record, I think it looks better. Mine was just a simple reskin of Ram that I did quite a while back when Warlords first came out.Imhotep dat you ? I thought you was a Ramses with African features ?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/provenleaders10.jpg
not quite. that collar is changing. the bling beard is going. colors of threads changing. skin getting lighter.

I'm trying to build a concept for a leader to represent the Nazca. Other than lines on the desert, pottery, cliff houses, and mummies, they really didn't leave much to future generations. From the remains, I can visualize a look for a leader. The thing that would really cement that leader would be a name. I was thinking Hummingbird or something similar.The Nazca left a functional aquaduct that is still used today. In that parched land Nazca people tapped into an underground run-off stream that originates faraway in the Andes Mountains. Water flows an incredible distance, through a series of cracks in the bedrock and the Nazca ingeniously tapped that water. It is now thought by some that the drawings and lines trace aquifers and fissures. One scientist tested this theory using a water wytch ( stick in each hand as he walked around until they crossed .. ? .. ) with amazing success.

He found that there was a relationship with water, ruins, lines, and his wytch.

I can't imagine that a Nazca UU would be terribly potent. Mabey something as terrible as the Summerian Vulture ? Their entire culture disappeared long ago. Even the people who live there today are not genetically related to the mummies in the desert.

Imhotep dat you ? I thought you was a Ramses with African features ?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/provenleaders10.jpg
not quite. that collar is changing. the bling beard is going. colors of threads changing. skin getting lighter.

Mmm, looking fine already. Though indeed I don't think Imhotep was a Nubian; he was the father of Egyptian medicine and in the afterlife aquired a status comparable to Asklepios to the ancient Greeks. (And that was just part of his achievements...);)

It's my opinion that he looks somewhat African here. Imhotep may have been born in Ankhtowë, a suburb of Memphis early in Egyptian history. However, other classical writers suggested that he was from the village of Gebelein, south of ancient Thebes. This area was/is very African.
http://touregypt.net/featurestories/imhotep2.jpghttp://touregypt.net/featurestories/imhotep7.jpg
Imhotep, Doctor, Architect, High Priest, Scribe and Vizier to King Djoser (http://touregypt.net/featurestories/imhotep.htm)
If I pluck the feathers from Sitting Bull's headress, it's possible to use that hat on Imhotep ? I could grey out Sitting Bull's feathers, build an egyptian coat for him. Then I could Africanize Sitting Bull's face ...

African for sure, Nubian never. Nubia is where Egypt got many slaves from and they certainly wouldn't treat an enemy like a demi-god (unless it was a conqueror ofcourse - as in the Late Period... Hey, things change, don't they?)

BTW, the statues look nothing African to me. Ancient statues were mostly colourfully painted, as were the temples - they never were marble-white (unless unfinished, ofcourse). Also, Egyptians - then and now - are rather darkskinned, tanned, if you will. Curious how the first pic suggests a slightly elongated head - a sure pharaonic sign (but then, the pharao was the god-protector of the land, the living Horus) - well, in official ideology at least).

the statue on the left looks like it was painted black. Check the arms and the protected flanks. This peice is almost 5,000 years old, so paint on more exposed surfaces has disappeared. My whole opionion that Imhotep was a black man is based on that. The statue on the right has African features as well, especially the mouth. Egyptian statues really don't usually have defined features like that. My mouth could have been cast more simply ... I think my foot can fit in there snugly ...

The history between Kush and Egypt is long and interesting because they were friends, then rivals, and then enemies. During the time of Imhoptep, these nations were kin, allied, and Upper and Lower Egypt had not yet been thought of. There was only "this very Egypt".

During the time of Imhoptep, these nations were kin, allied, and Upper and Lower Egypt had not yet been thought of. There was only "this very Egypt".

From the link you attached I read that one of Imhotep's titles was "Chancellor of the king of Lower Egypt", Zhoser (or Djoser), who, apart from ordering the building of the Step Pyramid of Sakkara, was fond of campaigning both in the Sinai and Nubia (quite impossible if Upper and Lower Egypt hadn't been united yet). All this places him in the 3rd dynasty (and the 1st unification of Upper and Lower Egypt may well have been pre-historic, according to the oldest sources).

BTW, if Imhotep really was black, wouldn't the Nubians haven't made at least some sort of reference to such a high placed Nubian in the Egyptian empire?

I think that you are supposing that race was an issue. Are you serious ? Do you think that hiroglyphs are the same as words ? Do you suppose that we can even hope that everything has been found, identified, translated correctly ? Egyptians reused statutes, temples, and even relocated entire cities. They took time to remove names from cartouches's and chisled the names off kings monuments.. There are so many reasons why the specific reference YOU require may not exist. Do you think that ancient people are a celeb concious as modern feebs ?

I say he was black because of evidence. You say he wasn't black because you don't think it was possible. Open your eyes. OR make you own.

>JEELEN I will not defend any of my creations from you. I'm going to continue to make my stuff. I will no longer respond to critics or I would not be able to make things. I've added you to my ignore list because when I read these theads, I don't care to get slammed after every post. If you keep after me I'll quit posting and return to being a guest. I just released a few things and I sure don't need your stamp of approval and you need to stop acting like some sort of internet stalker. This is the last time I speak about this.

I don't want to interrupt here, but I will say only that the use of dark/light in depicting people actually had little to do with skin colour.

Only offering that as an aside.

Having said that.... I think this is an amazing model, but I would love to use this in replacing my Taharqa LH. Taharqa was certainly black, and as a pharaoh the dress would be bang-on appropriate!

This is really good work!

There is no way that I want anything that I've spent time on to be seen as a hack job. Everybody is free to use any modified nonshader I post and I don't want to cause bad feelings. Hi Wyz_sub10
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8870
I'm happy if my efforts add some enjoyment to anybody's game. It's great if you have found a home for this.

1) I never criticized the Piye LH: I think he looks great.*
2) I'm really looking forward to your Nazca LH.
3) If you want to represent Imhotep as black, that's your prerogative. (I just don't agree. So what?)

"And that's all I have to say about that." Forrest Gump

*In fact I think you should start your own LH thread.

Here is a button for the African Pharaoh: http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/piye.jpg1) I never criticized the Piye LH: I think he looks great.*
2) I'm really looking forward to your Nazca LH.
3) If you want to represent Imhotep as black, that's your prerogative. (I just don't agree. So what?)

"And that's all I have to say about that." Forrest Gump

*In fact I think you should start your own LH thread.Yup I get moody when it comes to defending my creations. I'm not ignoring you anymore. Sorry.

I have started only one thread and nobody replied. I'm new to modding and few people have seen anything that I've made. If some of the things I make end up included in other people's mods, then it's more likely that when I do release a modpack, people will actually download it. I have a leaderhead modpack that I'm building. There isn't enough original content in there yet. I'm building the pack up one LH at a time and creating some awareness about my efforts.

Cool, mourndraken! Eager to see more of your LHs!:) (And sorry for giving the wrong impression - I can be overly critical, I know...:blush:)

mourndraken,

I think your stuff is awesome. Like I said, if you can bang out some LHs for the Moche and Nacz and/or Mapuche, I would be thrilled!

Good job. I had mentioned that I'd use this to replace Taharqa, but I may just add it as Piye instead.

Nice work!Thanks for the 5-star :lol:

As far as LH choices go, why not use both ? or take Taharqua's head wrap and make it white and call him a Lybian ? on the texture, there is a single cast shadow which is fairly simple to throw across a whiteout. I dunno it's all in your hands...

I had a good session working on Hummingbird yesterday and will continue tonight. I had a blue screen crash that wasted my last 20 or 30 minutes of effort. That crap happened just as I was completing his face. So no screenies until tomorrow at best.

Cool, mourndraken! Eager to see more of your LHs!:) (And sorry for giving the wrong impression - I can be overly critical, I know...:blush:)Don't sweat it. I'm flattered that you care to respond. I'm not always rational and I blame the Gaels in my ancestry ..

this is how he looked before the blue screen of death
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/hummingbird.jpg
I'll get this done today.

Cool! I'm getting the rest of the Nazca info together.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/mourndraken/final1.jpg?t=1207630576
any words for this lady ? Just getting ready to give her up to civfanatics.
ver 1.0 here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6694088#post6694088)

We can make room for her somewhere. Let me look around. Did you already have an identity for her?

the XML calls her Theodora of Byzantium. She was requested by ambrox62 to be Queen Teuta of Illyria.

I'm happy enough with our current Teuta and think she'd be a great replacement for Theodora.

Any luck with Hummingbird yet?

no Hummingbird yet. Sorry that's taking forever.

Here is an archive. It's not done. He needs clothing. I may resume, but this is as far as I've bent asoka into hummingbird. I'm making an attempt to make Blender work. The rock in his head needs to be taken out in the model. Mabey add a collar or jewelry ? Some animations besides Asoka ? If that gets done, I'd be excited to finish this fellow.

No worries. I'll take a look and play with it a bit. I know how it can be when you spend too much time on one thing and it never gets to be quite what you want.

I sat on that so long, that I'm surprised that it never hatched.