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Tasslehoff
Dec 24, 2007, 03:01 AM
European World Diplomacy III - True World War

The year is 1950. Over the past twenty years, the conflict known as World War II took place beginning when Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, then China in 1937, and when Germany, under the Nazi party, invaded Poland in 1939. In 1940, Germany signed an alliance with the United States of America and the SSSR, and quickly captured Norway and Denmark, and began an invasion of France. Despite being outnumbered, the French, British, and Italian Allies fought Germany and its allies to a standstill, aided by several large-scale rebellions in Germany in 1943.

Japan had conquered most of South East Asia by December 1941, when a large bombing in Hawaii brought the U.S. into the war. Clashes with Soviet forces brought the SSSR, also to war with Japan. By 1945, Australia was the only Pacific Islands unconquered by Japan. Nuclear physicists had just been successful in the creation of an atomic bomb, and several of the weapons were dropped on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Kyoto. These bombings were immediately followed by the collapse of Japan.

The success of these bombs resulted in the commissioning of several more, to end resistance in France, Britain, and Italy. As the preparations for launch were made, however, a radical group of Jewish Americans, angry at the US government's support of the anti-Jewish Nazi party, seized control of the nuclear launch station, re-targeted the bombs, and launched.

The resultant destruction of Berlin and Washington D.C. sent America into total anarchy, and greatly weakened Germany. Allied forces swept through Germany and the Eastern section of the SSSR. By 1947, peace had settled upon the major powers in the world. The European Union formed a single democracy through Europe, struggling to recover from the war. China, united by the fight on Japan, rose and formed a communist government.

The formerly British Australia and Quebec peacefully seceded to form democracies, Quebec annexing Eastern Canada, and some of New England. Nationalistic fervor in Chile led to a powerful union of southern South America, and the nation of Mexico took advantage of anarchy in the former US to seize California and Texas. The SSSR, though defeated, recovered from the loss of Moscow, and remains a world power. In the Middle East, Arab states united, re-establishing the Caliphate under a new Caliph. In South Africa, revolts against the apartheid system resulting in a huge nationalistic movement, eliminating ‘white’ control of Africa. Most recently, a man claiming to descend from the ancient kings of Ghana and Mali rebuilt the ancient Ghanaian empire, with himself as king.

The world has recovered from the huge World War II. But world powers are in conflict again. How will this situation end?

RULES

Introduction
Welcome to Diplomacy Europe (Not) III, the sequel to Diplomacy Europe and Diplomacy Europe II- A new dawn. This is a 10-player strategy game set in an alternate world, starting in 1955. History in this world is identical to our world until 10 (or so) years before the beginning of this game, at which point it becomes totally fictional.

The original game was destroyed when LosingT was captured by TEH MAFIA ALIENZ, and Diplomacy Europe II, hosted by Izipo, is now wrapping up, so it's time for my game. This will be the first game hosted on a shiny new map, ripped and brutally edited from a Diplomacy Board Game variant website er, hand-made by me :mischief: .

The rules have several minor (and a few major) changes from Izipo's rules, which have some changes from LosingT's rules, but the basic concept is the same as the original game, which was LosingT's invention.

The unit of currency is the abstract G, representing gold. Income is measured in GPT (Gold Per Turn), and spending is measure in G.
Players may discuss alliances, tactics, anything relating to the game in any way they wish. Then, they send me orders via PM before the deadline posted with each update. All moves are then resolved simultaneously and after all the calculations are done, I post a write-up, and the new turn begins.

Objective
The goal of the game is to control half of the map (i.e. a domination win). The map is made of 148 land territories. Controlling 74 territories will grant you a solo victory.
You can also win an allied victory with one or two allies: The domination requirements are raised to 3/4 of the map (111 territories) with two players, or 7/8 of the map (130 territories) with three players.

Terrain types
There are 4 different types of terrain.
- Territories are worth 10GPT
- Cities are worth 15GPT and can manufacture units.
- Capitals are worth 20GPT, and can manufacture units like cities. Additionally this is the seat of your government. Losing your capital will have various bad results depending on your overall situation (ranging from instant loss to minor inconvenience like losing all your gold reserve).
- Sea Lanes : There are 6 Sea Lanes around the map that grants you an economical bonus (10% income). When two BBs (see units) are on

Improvements
There are 2 different types of structures that you can build in territories you control.
- Naval Bases (NB) can be built on any Coastal cities, they cost 30G. Naval bases are required to make naval units. Building Naval base takes 1 turn, after which building Naval Units is possible.
- AirBases (AB) can be built in any territories, they cost 40G and take 1 turn to build. Airbases are required to produce Paratroopers. Paratrooper drops can only be executed from an airbase. Note: AirBases do not enable Paratrooper production unless in a city territory.

Units
- Infantry (I) : The king of the battlefield, infantry can be produced in any city you control (even those under attack). Infantry cost 10G, they can move and attack right out of the factory gates.
- Tank Regiment (T): After effective use in the first two World Wars, tanks have become a common weapon, with large fighting power. Also extremely mobile, it has a bonus movement point that can be used only in friendly or allied territory. Tanks cost 40G but have a fighting power equal to 3 Infantry. Additionally they give a 10% bonus to infantry fighting alongside (blitz).
- Paratroopers (P) : Also a recent development, Paratroopers are shock troops used to disrupt and confuse the enemy. They can only be built at Airbases in city territories and cost 20G. Paratroopers come from the air, which is another direction that can be used in flanking. Paratroopers ignore enemy lines of defenses and can be dropped 3 areas away from the airbase at which they are stationed. After a successful drop, Paras can move like regular infantry, and may airdrop again the turn after reaching an airbase. For the purpose of distance calculation, ocean territories count as two movement spaces. This means no paratrooping across the Atlantic.
- Battleships (BB) : Standard navy unit, they can only be built at naval bases and cost 20G. Although formidable at sea, BB cannot capture territories by themselves. They may assist a land or marine invasion by bombardment, adding their strength (equal to an infantry) to the battle.
- Transport fleet (Tr) : Standard cargo ship. Can be built at naval bases and cost 10G. They can hold 4 Infantry or 1 Tank. A loaded transport can be used to invade a coastal territory, unloading contents onto a territory. They have no fighting power and will sink with their load if faced with enemy BB, unless guarded by a friendly BB. Transports can Load and Move or Move and Unload, not both.
Naval units when built, start their turn in the seaport, they can then move to an adjacent sea territory.

Combat
Combat is resolved territory by territory.
Forces are matched by Strength, bonuses are added, random factor is added.
Highest total wins. Difference between winner and loser equals winning survivors.

*Bonuses
- Defense : 25% Only works if the unit is entrenched, meaning it hasn't moved this turn.
- Flanking : 10% Each direction from which an invasion attacks a territory adds 10% to the total attacking force
- Blitz : 10% When a Tank (or group of tanks) and an Infantry army attack the same territory from the same direction the infantry are given the 10% bonus.
- Naval Bombardment : BB attacking with other forces grant their strength to the attacking force, with a strength cap set at 4, as well as adding Flanking if applicable.
- Amphibious : -10% to the attacking force. A transport full of marines will have a strength of 3.6.
- Surrounded : -20% bestowed upon units that have no means of retreat. This depends on the type (Land or Naval) of the unit, and the map. Only units may block off an otherwise feasible invasion. For example, land units on Madagascar are automatically outnumbered.
- Overwhelmed : -50% if initial strength ratio is 10/1
- Surprise ! : -10% to all defending troops if the attack is totally unexpected.
- Untested : -10% Units built in a city that was attacked the turn before will be less effective and won't receive defensive bonus either.

*Randomness
There will be a dice roll for each side. Winner gets +1 strength. A roll of 6-1 will give +2 to the side that gets the 6.

*Rounding
Defenders have a high rounding : 1,5 and higher = 2
Attackers have a low rounding : 1,5 and lower = 1

*Resolution
The GM will use its own discretion as to what exactly survives.
Battleships in naval invasions cannot be sunk by ground troops (not even by spearmen). Transports can be rendered combat ineffective though.

*Capturing territories
To capture a neutral territory you need an army with total strength of at least three. The territory becomes yours immediately, and units may move again without forfeiting the territory.
To capture an enemy territory you need to successfully invade and wipe out defenders. The territory becomes neutral, and another turn with an army strength of at least three is needed to make it yours.

A unit moving into an allied territory is considered to be defending that territory. Two opposing armies moving into the same, non-allied territory will fight each other, the surviving army then attacking any defenders.

Economy
To buy all those shiny troops, you need G. G are mainly acquired through territories, in the method described under terrain.
The economic weight of your land at the start of the turn represents your income, or gpt.
To boost your total gold without expansion you have 3 possibilities:
- Trade : Trading is allowed when two countries either share a border, have a mutual ally who specifically allows trade between the two, or have a sea route between Naval Bases.
- Sea routes exist between Sea Lanes, and Naval Bases. A naval base (in a land territory) or a Sea Lane (in a sea area) is adjacent to any sea territory that borders the territory. A naval base or sea lane allows the controller to trade with any naval base that borders an adjacent sea area.
- For example, the naval base in Spain may trade with any naval base or sea lane adjacent to the Mediterranean or the North East Atlantic, including the Sea Lane in North West Atlantic. Should the owner of the Sea Lane in North West Atlantic allow it, Spain can also trade, by extension, with naval bases bordering the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean Sea, etc.
- Controlling a Sea Lane gives you an additional 10% boost to GPT per Sea Lane.
- Diplomacy : Extortion, Land/Unit sales, trade deals, any agreement is legal. Agreements that deal strictly with gameplay, such as sales and trade allowances, must be cleared with the DM. Unless your deal is unrealistic, or will make the game extraordinarily unfair, I will approve.
- Randomness. A random sum will be added or subtracted to each nation’s G on any given turn, to represent natural fluctuations in economy, as well as to make it more difficult to discover secret ability users.

Just so we're clear : At the start of the turn you have G (your treasury) that you can spend to buy troops and build stuff. You can keep some, it goes in your treasury. The turn is resolved and you gain or lose territories. Income is calculated for everyone and bonus are added accordingly. Trade bonuses are calculated at the same time. You have a GPT of 110G, your trade partner 150G. You receive 15G, he receives 11G. Your gold at the start of the turn is 110+15+your treasury. Controlling a Sea Lane will grant you an additional 11G, giving you a grand total of 136G + your treasury to spend on the next turn.

Diplomacy
Okay people, this is diplomacy. It's not just numbers and bonuses, it's mainly player interactions. It's hard to win alone, you'll need partners and there will be some backstabbing... probably.
You may make Proclamations, or Acts. For example, if Britain decides that the waters around Britain are threatened, he can issue a Proclamation saying that any country that attacks these waters will be declared upon. You can also say stuff like "Anyone who trades with Austria will be an enemy of the British nation". Make it real, make it lively.
Here is a very good example (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6050891&postcount=104).
Likewise, you can make Civ style pacts (Defensive, Open borders, Permanent alliance, Non Aggression...). Sort it out via PM and post your announcements in the thread.
It is best if most of the formal requests are made in the thread. Remember, this must be interesting for non-participants also.
The only agreements that [B]need[/B} to be cleared with me are things such as Open Borders, so I don’t have you attack an ally by accident ;) .

Espionage
The biggest addition in this game is the reworking/addition of general espionage. To achieve the overarching goal of making the rules of this game reach the complexity of a NES, I have added this new, complicated function. Any nation may allocate cash towards espionage missions that allow viewing of orders, sabotage of production, or sabotage of armies. Each mission has a success rate depending on the amount of cash allocated towards it. The minimum allocation grants the base % chance of success, and each addition increment adds 10%, to a maximum success rate of 90%. Some territory-centered abilities must be a certain distance or less from one of your cities to be executed.

- Mission Type
Minimum Allocation-Maximum Allocation (Increment)
Base Percent Chance, Maximum Distance
Description

- Steal Plans
10G-90G (10G)
60%
This mission allows you to view a portion of the target’s plans. This feature can be extremely helpful during war, allowing you to respond to your opponent’s movements. In addition to increasing success rate, you may choose to allocate increments of spending towards increasing the portion of orders stolen. No allocation reveals 25% of the individual orders. Each increment increases the portion by 12.5%, to a maximum of 100%. Executing this mission delays the deadline for YOUR orders until 24 hours after the normal deadline (to allow you to process the stolen orders).

- Bombings
50G-200G (30G)
40%, four territories
Through various sneaky methods, you plant a bomb in a targeted city, which devastates the city’s production and economy. Half to all of the city’s builds that turn are destroyed, although the building nation only pays half of the build costs. For the turn after, a nation only receives 10G from that city, all units cost 5G more to make, and receive the “untested” penalty.

- Sabotage
50G-150G (20G)
40%, two territories.
Saboteurs attack a targeted army entering or exiting an area, forcing that army to stop for repairs. Execution of this mission, if successful, will stop all units of a single type from either exiting an area, or entering an area. For example, you may choose to stop all infantry from entering a certain area, such as one of your cities, or stop all infantry from exiting an enemy city.
Miscellaneous
- You are allowed to burn your own cities, ports, and airfields. If an enemy is approaching, and you feel you can't defend a city, you may destroy your own city, so that he cannot use it to build, or get the extra 5G. You must have a unit however present in your city in order to burn it. You may not rebuild.
- You may disband your units for 50% refund.
- You cannot spend more than 2/3 of your treasury in the same city.
- There will be random events, and hopefully the other players will throw in surprises, too. Be prepared (or don’t, it’s more interesting that way).
- I will simulate the Diplomacy Board Game for update structure. You will be given a period of 2-3 days for diplomacy, after which I will post telling you to send in your orders. Diplomacy may still continue, but I will need orders by 24 hours after that post. Orders more than two hours late will not be counted, unless a special ability would delay the deadline, in which case you will have 24 hours to send in orders. Missing two sets of orders in a row without an excuse beforehand, or five sets of orders total will result in your removal from the game, to allow a reserve player to play. At some point after the order deadline, the update will be posted.

Tasslehoff
Dec 24, 2007, 03:02 AM
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Alright. We're up and running again!

The World Messenger, Fall 1961
Sabotage!

European saboteurs struck in Mexico City last week, killing President merciary, and preventing troops from exiting the area. Europe then landed a large naval force to reinforce Central America, and took California, reuniting, for the first time in a decade, the area that once made up the United States of America.

A large Australian fleet of battleships struck against South Africa in the Southeast Atlantic, defeating the South African fleet and destroying the entire fleet of transports.

In South America, Russian forces continued to press out of Brasilia, capture Belo Horizonte and Bolivia.

:trophy: Order award to Niklas of China, and Backwards Logic of Europe



Territories
Australia: 2 Capitols, 8 Cities, 17 Territories, 27 Total, 3 NB, 1AB, 1SL
SSSR: 1 Capitol, 7 Cities, 5 Territory, 13 Total, 2 NB, 1AB
Europe: 4 Capitols, 20 Cities, 17 Territories, 41 Total , 4 AB, 7 NB, 2 SL
South Africa: 1 Capitol, 8 Cities, 12 Territories, 21 Total, 2 NB, 2 SL, 1 AB
Mexico: 1 Capitol, 1 City, 2 Territories, 4 Total, 2 NB,
China: 1 Capitol, 17 Cities, 17 Territories, 35 Total , 3 NB, 2 AB 1 SL

Economy (Spending Limit in One City {rounded down to 5G}) [Trading Partners]
Australia- Stuck In Pi: 635G (420G) [Mexico, Europe]
SSSR- Frozen In Ice: 303G (202G) [China, South Africa, Mexico, Europe]
Europe- Backwards Logic: 794G (525G) [Australia, China, South Africa, SSSR]
South Africa- LightFang: 497G (330G) [Mexico, China, Europe, SSSR]
Mexico- merciary: 200G (130G)
China- Niklas: 1506G (1000G) [South Africa, Mexico, Europe, SSSR]

Units:
Australia:
1st Army- 18I @ Sho (Fortifying, from barracks, NDe)
3rd Army- 4I @ NDe (From SoP)
4th Army- 6I @ BAT (Fortifying, merged with 9th Marines)
5th Marines- 4I @ Chi (From Men)
7th Marines- 3I @ Sao (From Bol)
10th Marines- 3I @ BAi (From Ura)
1st Armored- 1T Bra (From BHo, DEAD)
2nd Armored- 1T Bra (From Ama, DEAD)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Bra (Fortifying)
2nd Transport- 12 Transport @ TSe (From PIS)
3rd Transports- 2 Transports @ SeP (Holding pattern)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ CAO (Holding Pattern)
2nd Fleet- 7BB @ Pis
3rd Fleet- 1BB @ SeA (From SwA, Lost 2BB)
4th Fleet- 10BB @ SeA (From Sho, DEAD)
SSSR:
1st Army- 20I @ Yak (C, Reinforced from barracks)
2nd Army- 20I @ WSi (C, Reinforced from barracks)
3rd Army- 7I @ Bra (Reinforced from Guy, Lost 3I)
5th Army- 5I @ Guy
6th Army- 3I @ BHo (From Sal, DEAD)
7th Army- 20I @ ESi (Reinforced From Barracks)
8th Army- 15I @ Rec (C, From barracks)
9th Army- 5I @ Ala (C, From barracks)
10th Army- 5I @ YTe (C, From barracks)
11th Army- 3I @ Bol (From Bra, split from 3rd Army)
12th Army- 13I @ Sao (From Bra, split from 3rd army: DEAD)
1st Marines- 5I @ Ala (From Transports)
2nd Marines- 20I @ BCo (Reinforced from Barracks)
4th Marines- 3I @ BIs (From Transport)
5th Marines- 5I @ NwT (From Transports)
1st Armored- 2T @ WSi (Fortifying)
1st Transports- 3Tr @ AOc (From Bfs)
2nd Transports- 3Tr @ BfS (From AOc)
Europe:
1st Army- 8I @ Syr (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 7I @ Cal (From InT, Nev, lost 20I)
3rd Army- 31I @ Cen (From Transports Lost 14I)
4th Army- 3I @ Trk (Fortifying)
5th Army- 4I @ Mos (Fortifying)
6th Army- 2I @ Texas (From DSo, Reinforced from Barracks, Lost: 14I)
7th Army- 10I @ StP (From Sca)
8th Army - 3I @ Niger (From Mali)
9th Army - Merged into 1st Marines
10th Army - 8I @ Gha (From Mali)
11th Army- 3I @ Libya (From barrack, fortifying)
12th Army- 3I @ Gui (From Mali)
13th Army- 24I @ Merged with 2nd Army
14th Army- 8I @ CSe (In 3rd Transports, from Flo))
15th Army- 3I @ Flo (From Uni)
16th Army- 5I @ Merged with 2nd Army
17th Army- 3I @ Thu
18th Army- 2I @ God
1st Marines- Merged with 3rd Army
2nd Marines- 4I @ Ven (From Transport, Lost 20I)
3rd Marines- Merged with 3rd Army
4th Marines- 28I @ NeA (In 5th Transports)
1st Airborne - 7P Alg (Fortifying)
3rd Airborne- 5P @ Sas (Fortifying)
1st Armored- 1T @ Alg (From Mor)
2nd Armored- 2T @ Cal (From InT)
3rd Armored- Merged with 2nd Armored
4th Armored-1T @ Cal (From Tex Factory: DEAD)
1st Transports- 3Tr @ NwA (From CSe)
2nd Transports- 7Tr @ CSe (From NwA)
3rd Transports- 2Tr @ NwA (From CSe)
4th Transports- 6Tr @ CAO (From NeA)
5th Transport- 7Tr @ NeA (From Spa)
Task Force 1 - 8BB @ CSe (From GoM, Bombarding Ven)
Task Force 2- 4BB @ CSe (From NwA, Bombarding Mex)
Task Force 3- 1BB @ NeP (Bombarding Mex)
Task Force 4- 8BB @ CAO (From NeA, Bombarding Ven)
South Africa:
1st Army- 3I @ Cam (From Cha)
2nd Army- 17I @ Con (From Zai)
3rd Army- 6I @ NSu (From Eth)
4th Army- 3I @ Nge (Fortifying)
5th Army- 21I @ SAf (fortifying)
6th Army- 16I @ Tan (From barracks, fortifying)
7th Army- 4I @ Cha (Fortifying)
9th Army- 3I @ Ang (Fortifying)
12th Army- 2I @ Zai (Fortifying)
1st Marines- 38I @ SeA (In transports: DEAD)
2nd Armored- 1T @ Con (Fortifying))
1st Transport- 8Tr @ SeA (DEAD)
2nd Transport- 4Tr @ SeA (DEAD)
3rd Transports- 4Tr @ NeI (From Tan)
1st Fleet- 7BB @ NeI (Holding Pattern)
2nd Fleet- 7BB @ SeI (Holding Pattern)
4th Fleet- Merged with 1st Fleet
6th Fleet- 2BB @ SeA (DEAD)
7th Fleet- merged with 2nd Fleet
8th Fleet- 5BB @ WAO
9th Fleet- 10BB @ NwI (Holding Pattern)
10th Fleet- 10BBB @ SeA (DEAD)
11th Fleet- 10BB @ EAO (From SeA)
Mexico:
1st Army- 19I @ Ven (Fortifying, Reinforced from barracks, DEAD)
3rd Army- 10I @ Mon (From Clf)
4th Army- 36I @ Mex (Sabotaged! Reinforced from barracks)
5th Army- 25I @ Col (From Per)
8th Army- 17I @ Clf (Fortifying, From barracks: DEAD)
9th Army- 9I @ Cen (From Col, DEAD)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Col (From Per, Fortifying)
5th Armored- 1T @ Cen (From Ven: DEAD)
6th Armored- 2T @ Clf (Fortifying:DEAD)
China:
1st Army- 17I @ Egypt (fortify)
2nd Army- 3I @ Vla (fortify)
3rd Army- 72I @ SIO (from NeI, joined with 7th Army, on 1st Transport)
4th Army- Merged with 1st Army
5th Army- Merged with 3rd Army
6th Army- 3I @ Jap (fortify)
8th Army- 4I @ Iran (fortify)
9th Army- 32I @ WAu (fortify)
1st Airborne- 2P @ Egypt (fortify)
1st Armored- 7T @ Egypt (fortify)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Western China (fortify)
1st Fleet- 11BB @ SIO (from NeI, joined with 4th Fleet)
2nd Fleet- 5BB @ WPO (from CPO)
3rd Fleet- 10BB @ WPO (from NwP)
5th Fleet- 10BB @ NeI (from ASe)
1st Transport- 18Tr @ SIO
2nd Transport- Merged with 1st Transport
3rd Transport- 8Tr @ NeI (split from 2nd Transport)
Rogues:
Recife Honor Guard- 1I @ Rec (Defending Rec)
Out-of-use Malian Battle-cruise-ships- 2BB @ SeP (Touring the Antarctic Coast)

Public Treaties: (Participants)
[S]The Treaty of Friendship (South Africa and Mali): Broken!
The Treaty of Asian Peace (SSSR and China): Broken!
Treaty of Thailand (China and Australia)
Treaty of Karachi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6320491&postcount=146) (China and the UAC): Broken!
Australlia-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6331725&postcount=164) (Australia and the UAC): Necessary Member Dead!
SSSR-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6332313&postcount=167) (SSSR and the UAC): Trade routes cut!
Mali-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6332744&postcount=173) (Mali and the UAC) Broken!
Treaty of America (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6338788&postcount=199) (Quebec, Mexico, and Chile) Doubly Broken, with two members gone!
Treaty of International Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6340714&postcount=208) (Australia, the UAC, China, Mali, Quebec, Mexico, South Africa and Europe. Note that some nations do not receive full benefits due to various wars)
The South Treaty (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6365203&postcount=274): Broken!
Treaty of Formerly British Dominion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6389967&postcount=313) (Australia, Quebec) One member gone!
Treaty Of Moscow (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6508918&postcount=440) (Europe, SSSR)
Published Proclamations (Author and Country)
The LightFang Doctrine (LightFang of South Africa)
Proclamation of the Northwest Indian (LightFang of South Africa)
Proclamation of the Northwest Atlantic (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6363632&postcount=273) (D'Artagnan59 of Quebec)
Proclamation of Quebecois Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6358005&postcount=243) (D'Artagnan59 of Quebec) (Note that this proclamation is obsolete due to the Treaty of International Trade, but 'tis the thought that counts ;))

And the Mappe!

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DIPLOMACY PHASE STARTING. ENDS TUESDAY JULY 1, AT 3:00 PM, GMT-8!

I recounted territories and notice that I had made a mistake. VICTORY CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN UPDATED, PLEASE CHECK POST 1!

If you find mistakes, please send me a PM as soon as you discover it.


In another change from the previous games, the special abilities of nations are no longer public, but will be sent to each nation in a PM, so special espionage abilities are surprising, and can be performed without other nations knowing whodunit.

I’m still looking for good ideas about special abilities. PM or post if you’ve got an idea.

The Nations:

Australia: Gray - Kol. 7 Dropped Out Fall 1959, Stuck In Pi takes over.
Territory: 1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 4 Territories, 1 Naval Base: 95G

SSSR: Green-Gray - thomas.berubeg Dropped out before Spring 1958, Frozen In Ice takes over for Spring 1958
Territory: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 2 Territories: 90G

The United Arab Caliphate: Purple - The Loser: Loss, Fall 1957
Territory: 1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 4 Territories: 95G

Europe: Blue - Backwards Logic
Territory: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 2 Territories: 90G

South Africa: Dark Green - LightFang
Territory: 1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 3 Territories: 95G

Chile: Red - sirtommygunn, Leeksoup takes over Fall 1958, Defeat Spring 1959
Territory: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 2 Territories: 90G

Mexico: White - merciary
Territory:1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 2 Territories: 90G

Quebec: Brown-Green - D'Artagnan59, Stuck In Pi takes over Spring 1959, Defeat, Fall 1959
Territory:1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 4 Territories: 95G

Mali: Yellow - Izipo: Defeated Spring 1959
Territory: 1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 4 Territories: 95G


China: Dark Red - Niklas
Territory: 1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 4 Territories: 95G

Reserves:
1) The13thRonin
2) Open

Tasslehoff
Dec 24, 2007, 03:04 AM
The World Messenger, Fall 1958
The Last Stronghold of Chile, and Fallen Mali!

In a stunning series of military victorious, the self-proclaimed "Arctic God" of Antarctica defeated each and every military force owned by Chile, reducing Chilean land to a few scattered territories and the single city of Recife.

Mali, assaulted on three sides by Chinese, European, and South African forces, sent vicious attack missions aimed to recapture Algeria and Mau, to remove the European paratroopers, and found... they weren't there. European paratroopers concentrated and took full control of Mali, at the heart of Mali.

In other news, the author of this article has to read 70 pages of an insane lady trying to map the human mind by tomorrow, and couldn't make this article more interesting.

Awards:
:trophy: Best Order Award goes to Izipo for flawless, helpful orders.
:trophy2nd: 2nd place to Backwards Logic and Kol.7 for in-depth, flawless orders.
:trophy2: Special award to Leeksoup for an excellent story to show his orders.



Territories
Australia: 2 Capitols, 10 Cities, 17 Territories, 1 SL, 3 NB, 1AB
SSSR: 1 Capitol, 2 Cities, 1 Territory, 1 NB
Europe: 2 Capitols, 9 Cities, 7 Territories, 2 AB, 1 NB
South Africa: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 10 Territories, 2 NB, 1 SL
Chile: 1 Cities, 4 Territories
Mexico: 1 Capitol, 7 Cities, 6 Territories, 5 NB,
Quebec: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 7 Territories, 3NB, 3AB, 2 SL
Mali: 1 Capitols, 1 City, 5 Territories, 1 SL
China: 1 Capitol, 14 Cities, 15 Territories, 2 NB, 1AB 1 SL

Economy (Spending Limit in One City {rounded down to 5G}) [Trading Partners]
Australia- Kol.7: 535G (355G) [China, South Africa, Quebec, Mexico, Europe, SSSR]
SSSR- Frozen In Ice: 323G (185G) [China, South Africa, Australia, Mexico, Quebec, Chile, Europe]
Europe- Backwards Logic: 530G (350G) [Quebec, Mexico, Australia, China, South Africa, Chile, SSSR]
South Africa- LightFang: 461G (305G) [Australia, Quebec, Mexico, China, Europe, SSSR, Chile]
Chile- Leeksoup: 282G (155G) [Mexico, China, SSSR, Europe, Quebec]
Mexico- merciary: 336G (220G) [Europe, South Africa, Australia, China, SSSR, Chile]
Quebec- D'Artagnan59: 700G (465G) [Europe, South Africa, Australia, China, SSSR, Chile]
Mali- Izipo: 106G (60G) [None]
China- Niklas: 1163G (775G) {:eek:} [Australia, South Africa, Quebec, Mexico, Europe, SSSR, Chile]

Units:
Australia:
1st Army- 3I @ Nov (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 4I @ Men (From Sao: DEAD)
3rd Army- 10I @ Men (From BAi, reinforced from barracks, lost DEAD)
4th Army- 3I @ MBL (Fortifying)
5th Army- 23I @ Bra (From Sao, Lost 21I
7th Army- 16I @ NDe (Fortifying, Merged with 2nd and 3rd Marines)
1st Marines- 5I @ Sal (Fortifying, Reinforced with 4I from Barracks, lost 4I)
2nd Marines- 10I @ Sao (Fortifying)
4th Marines- 3I @ Ind (From Transport, transported from Jpn)
5th Marines- 4I @ Men (From SCr)
6th Marines 10I @ Men (From Chi: DEAD)
7th Marines- 3I @ Chi (From Transport)
8th Marines- 3I @ BAi (From Transport)
9th Marines- 3I @ SCr (From Transport)
10th Marines- 3I @ Ura (From Transport)
1st Armored- 1T @ Bra (From Sao: DEAD)
1st Transport- 1 Transport @ SeI
2nd Transport- 1 Transport @ WPO (From SCS)
3rd Transports- 10 Transports @ SwA (From WAO)
1st Fleet- 6BB @ NeI (Merged with 2nd Fleet, reinforced from shipyard)
SSSR:
2nd Army- 5I @ WSi (Fortifying)
1st Marines- 12I @ AOc (In Transports)
1st Armored- 2T @ WSi (Fortifying)
1st Transports- 3Tr @ AOc
Europe:
1st Army- 8I @ Syr (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 9I @ GrB (Fortifying)
4th Army- 3I @ Trk (Fortifying)
5th Army- 4I @ Mos (Fortifying)
7th Army- 10I @ Sca (Fortifying)
1st Airborne- 1P @ Mal (From Alg, Lost 2P)
2nd Airborne- 3P @ Mal (Fortifying)
3rd Airborne- 3P @ Mal (From Mau: DEAD)
4th Airborne- 3P @ Lib (From Bal, Lost 6P)
South Africa:
1st Army- 6I @ SSu (From Uga barracks)
2nd Army- 7I @ Zai (Merged with 5th Army)
3rd Army- 6I @ NSu (From Eth)
7th Army- 9I @ Cha (From SSu and NSu)
9th Army- 3I @ Ang (From Zam)
12th Army- 2I @ Uga (From Ken)
1st Marines- 3I @ APe (Fortifying)
1st Armored- 1T @ Ang (from Zam)
2nd Armored- 1T @ Zai (From Tan)
1st Transport- 1Tr @ SwA (Fortifying)
1st Fleet- 6BB @ NwI (Patrolling)
2nd Fleet- 4BB @ SwI (Patrolling)
3rd Fleet- 5BB @ SeA (From SAf)
5th Fleet- 3BB @ EAO (From SeA)
Chile:
1st Army- 13I @ Bra (Fortifying: DEAD)
2nd Army- 4I @ Sal (From Rec: DEAD)
3rd Army- 15I @ Men (Fortifying: DEAD)
Mexico:
1st Army- 13I @ Ven (Fortifying, reinforced from Barracks)
2nd Army- 1I @ Nev (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 4I @ Flo (Fortifying)
4th Army- 1I @ Clf (Fortifying)
5th Army- 25I @ Per (Fortifying, reinforced from Col)
6th Army- 1I @ DSo (Fortifying)
7th Army- 3I @ Cen (Fortifying)
8th Army- 3I @ Mex (Fortifying)
9th Army- 3I @ Col (Fortifying)
10th Army- 1I @ Tex (Fortifying)
11th Army- 3I @ Mnt (From Mex)
12th Army- 9I @ Uni (Fortifying)
13th Army- 8I @ BCo (From Ind, Lost 3I)
14th Armored- 3I @ Sas (From Ind, split from 13th Army: DEAD)
1st Armored- 1T Clf (From Mex)
2nd Armored- 1T @ Sas (From Ind: DEAD)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Ven (From Col)
4th Armored- 1T Nev (From Mex)
5th Armored- 1T @ Ven
6th Armored- 1T @ Tex (From Mex)
7th Armored- 1T @ Mon (From Mex)
8th Armored- 1T @ Flo
9th Armored- 1T @ DSo
1st Fleet- 2BB @ NeP (Fortifying: DEAD)
2nd Fleet- 3BB @ Mex
4th Fleet- 2BB @ NeP (From EPa: DEAD)
Quebec:
1st Army- 3I @ YTe (Fortifying)
2nd Army- NwT (Fortifying)
6th Army- 6I @ Qbc (Fortifying, reinforced from barracks)
7th Army- 3I @ Sas (Fortifying, reinforced from barracks, Lost 6I)
8th Army- 6I @ Ont (Fortifying, reinforced from barracks)
9th Army- 3I @ BCo (Fortifying, from barracks: DEAD)
10th Army- 3I @ Alb (Fortifying)
11th Army- 3I @ Man (Fortifying)
12th Army- 3I @ New (Fortifying)
1st Marines- 3I @ God (Fortifying)
2nd Marines- 3I @ Thu (Fortifying)
1st Paratroopers- 3P @ Ala (Fortifying)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ NwA (Reinforced from Qbc: Lost 2BB)
2nd Fleet- 2BB @ NPO (Patrolling)
3rd Fleet- 1BB @ NeP (From NPO, Lost 3BB)
1st Transports- 2 Transports LSe
Mali:
2nd Army- 8I @ Libya (From Cha: DEAD)
3rd Army- 5I @ Cam
4th Army- 8I @ Algeria (reinforced from Libyan barracks)
5th Army- 5I @ Mali (from Gha Barracks: DEAD)
1st Tank- 1T @ Cam
4th Tank- 1T @ Mau (from Gha factory, via Gui)
3rd Air- 1P @ Mau (airdropped from Chad)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ NeA (Bombarding Mau)
1st TrF : 2Tr @ NeA (Disbanded)
China:
1st Army- 17I @ Egypt (from Saudi Arabia)
2nd Army- 3I @ Vla (fortify)
3rd Army- 24I @ SoO (on 1st Transport from Vla)
1st Airborne- 1P @ Egypt (fortify)
2nd Airborne- 1P @ Egypt (from Iran)
1st Armored- 7T @ Egypt (from Saudi Arabia, merged with 2nd Armored)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Western China (from Irkutsk)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ Northwest Pacific (fortify)
1st Transport- 6Tr @ SoO (from Vla)

Public Treaties: (Participants)
The Treaty of Friendship (South Africa and Mali): Broken!
The Treaty of Asian Peace (SSSR and China): Broken!
Treaty of Thailand (China and Australia)
Treaty of Karachi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6320491&postcount=146) (China and the UAC): Broken!
Australlia-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6331725&postcount=164) (Australia and the UAC): Necessary Member Dead!
SSSR-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6332313&postcount=167) (SSSR and the UAC): Trade routes cut!
Mali-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6332744&postcount=173) (Mali and the UAC) Broken!
Treaty of America (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6338788&postcount=199) (Quebec, Mexico, and Chile)
Treaty of International Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6340714&postcount=208) (Australia, the UAC, China, Mali, Quebec, Mexico, South Africa and Europe. Note that some nations do not receive full benefits due to various wars)
The South Treaty (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6365203&postcount=274)
Treaty of Formerly British Dominion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6389967&postcount=313) (Australia, Quebec)
Treaty Of Moscow (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6508918&postcount=440) (Europe, SSSR)
Published Proclamations (Author and Country)
The LightFang Doctrine (LightFang of South Africa)
Proclamation of the Northwest Indian (LightFang of South Africa)
Proclamation of the Northwest Atlantic (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6363632&postcount=273) (D'Artagnan59 of Quebec)
Proclamation of Quebecois Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6358005&postcount=243) (D'Artagnan59 of Quebec) (Note that this proclamation is obsolete due to the Treaty of International Trade, but 'tis the thought that counts ;))

And the Mappe!

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/967/ed3spring1959cs2.gif

DIPLOMACY PHASE STARTING. ENDS WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 27TH, 4:00 PM, GMT-8!

Animation map has been updated, last update map has been corrected. Please tell me if you notice any other mistakes.

The Loser
Dec 24, 2007, 05:14 AM
I have never played this game before, but i want to give it a go as The United Arab Caliphate.

Ekolite
Dec 24, 2007, 05:44 AM
Hey Tasslehoff can I have australlia?
I think you owe it to me :P

D'Artagnan59
Dec 24, 2007, 06:20 AM
I'll take Quebec.

P.S. You forgot Quebec's income.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 24, 2007, 08:20 AM
D'art! i wanted Quebec...

anyway, i'll take the SSSR

merciary
Dec 24, 2007, 08:49 AM
I'll be Mexico

sirtommygunn
Dec 24, 2007, 09:02 AM
ill take chile

D'Artagnan59
Dec 24, 2007, 09:33 AM
I'd call Quebec bronze.

Brisingamen
Dec 24, 2007, 11:06 AM
lurker comment...you miscounted chile's gpt

LightFang
Dec 24, 2007, 12:40 PM
South Africa is mine!

sirtommygunn
Dec 24, 2007, 02:47 PM
if i counted correcly i should have 105 gp.

Backwards Logic
Dec 24, 2007, 02:55 PM
I'll be Europe.

D'Artagnan59
Dec 24, 2007, 04:43 PM
I have 90 Gold.

Tasslehoff
Dec 24, 2007, 05:05 PM
Players updated; the mistake in Chile was a map mistake, not a counting mistake, the map is updated.

Wow! Spots filled up really fast. Reserve sign-ups are still up, but I'm saving the first few for players from the last game- I think they deserve it.

Sorry to those who missed signing up due to Christmas. In hindsight, I probably should have posted after. Sorry :( . You may still sign as reserves, and I may add another African nation, depending on the number of reserve sign-ups.

I still need special ability ideas!

thomas.berubeg
Dec 24, 2007, 05:10 PM
SSSR could have something along the lines of a huge power taking a while to get mobilized, but being nearly unstopaable after that...

sirtommygunn
Dec 24, 2007, 08:39 PM
i think all nations should get at least 90 gp. otherwise some nations can get 3 territories in one turn while others can only get 2. that first territory could cause a cycle of income growth while the others slow down behind.

or maybe it wont make a difference anyway and will just cause some nations to have a slightly smaller landgrab.

LightFang
Dec 24, 2007, 09:36 PM
I PMed some ideas over, I hope you liked them. :)

Tasslehoff
Dec 24, 2007, 11:03 PM
I got them. They're really interesting, but I'm afraid I'll have to adjust them a lot so you don't know what's what ;) . I've also increased the beginning cash for each country by 5G

Ekolite
Dec 25, 2007, 06:22 AM
In the last game izipo liked to hear what we were planning and what are aims were, if we send our aims in our orders and our orders are stolen by someone else, will you tell them our aims that were in our PM to you?

If they will I think I'll keep my plans to myself lol.

EDIT: Also, is there still the domination style victory? The same as in Izipo's?

Stuck in Pi
Dec 25, 2007, 06:47 AM
I'll take a reserve sign up!!

Backwards Logic
Dec 25, 2007, 09:41 AM
I don't mean to gripe here, but it seems like Europe doesn't have a whole lot of territory to expand to compared to the rest of the world. I'd hate to be at a disadvantage because I can't expand as far as everyone else.

Ekolite
Dec 25, 2007, 09:58 AM
Europe has a great expansion opportunity if you do the right thing on your firt turn.

Tasslehoff
Dec 25, 2007, 03:02 PM
Overall plans will not be revealed in plans when stolen. See objective for the victory details.

Balancing expansion opportunities was one of the most difficult things for this map. I had originally planned to include India and Ghana as nations (I may yet do so), but I was afraid of the limitations on Europe, Australia, and South African expansions. As it is, Europe has decent expansion into Eastern Europe, and may also expand into North Africa. If I deem that a country has a much weaker expansion, that country will receive a proportionately stronger special ability.

EDIT: And thanks to everybody who has sent in Special Ability ideas! :)

LightFang
Dec 25, 2007, 03:51 PM
Can't wait till the game starts. I'm dying to know what my special ability is. :)

Ekolite
Dec 25, 2007, 05:00 PM
Yeah same here.

Are we waiting for Izipo's to finish before this one starts? TBH it is pretty much finished anyway, I doubt me and Italy will last too much longer lol.

EDIT: Also, I was thinking, an interesting variant to DE would be 'Ancient diplomacy' centered around the med' sea, Nations would be Rome, Greece, Egypt, Carthage, Gauls, Germanian barb tribe, etc. Also, if someone could design a map there could be a diplomacy FFH lol. You could use city names for the regions. Obviously for either of these ideas the rules would need to be reworked quite a bit but still, would be cool.

Tasslehoff
Dec 25, 2007, 05:49 PM
Chances are, I'm going to add a West African nation and an Asian nation before starting, because I want to give Izipo a spot. Might also tweak some starting area to encourage more even expansion.

As for specials, I still need to figure them out :crazyeye: . I'll send out the ability PMs as soon as I figure it all.

Glad to see the players are as excited about the game as I am! :)

Backwards Logic
Dec 26, 2007, 12:15 AM
Just curious, but why does W Au already have a naval base according to the map?

Tasslehoff
Dec 26, 2007, 12:58 AM
I put the naval base on to give Australia a decent chance at keeping up with expansion. Otherwise, Australia's first turn is basically wasted while they build one.

Izipo
Dec 26, 2007, 11:04 AM
Merry Christmas to everyone ! :)

Tasslehoff, just one thing : WTF IS THIS ??!!?!!

:joke:

Seriously now, where's my country ?
I'll be Mali if that's in the books. Sign me up as a reserve otherwise (South Africa I'm watching you closely... ;))

This is looking good, excellent map. I'll have a closer look at the rules, but I'm glad the franchise is living a life of its own :goodjob:

EDIT : What a nice set of rules :D
I spot a small problem : Paratroopers built in Florida, can airdrop in France... :eek: You might wan to add a limitation or something...
Also, if you want feedback on the combat process, do not hesitate to PM me.

Niklas
Dec 26, 2007, 12:09 PM
:gripe: Sign-up during christmas eh? Maybe I'll break the alliance with France just to keep that game lasting a bit longer, just to spite you. :p (or not)

Seriously though, I'll confirm that reserve spot you've saved for me (thanks!) and hope for a similar unfolding of events as for Izipo's game. ;)

Ekolite
Dec 26, 2007, 01:02 PM
Yes, similiar, but not quite the same. :p

Also, Im, not quite sure if I like the espionage thing. I really get it and I dont know i people are going to be able to afford it as well as an army bigger then next door's. How much woyuld it actually help anyway.

Tasslehoff
Dec 26, 2007, 02:34 PM
Izipo, I've put you in as Mali. Niklas, if Frozen In Ice doesn't come for India, it's yours. If he does, you've got first reserve.

As for paratroopers- I could've sworn I put something in there... Mumblemumble edit rules. For the purposes of paratrooping, water areas act as two movement. So at best, you can paradrop across one body of water, coast->coast.

@Kol.7: I think Espionage will be quite useful when combined with good strategy. If you stop all infantry going into a key territory you're attacking, you can save much more cash in saved troops than you spend.

As it is, espionage is way more expensive than it's worth. However, 5-10 turns in, the much increased budgets could easily make Espionage worth it. I might change the espionage costs, perhaps make it based on average income? If you have suggestions, I'm willing to hear them.

LightFang
Dec 26, 2007, 02:44 PM
I'm making a note right now that I've never played Diplomacy before (I don't count Switzerland, seriously guys :p) so I expect the almighty mod to help me with orders. I'll turn them in early and expect some critique or something. >:|

Niklas
Dec 26, 2007, 03:07 PM
LightFang, you've played Diplomacy many times before, and even hosted a game of your own. Then again, this game isn't Diplomacy, even if it's based on it and called the same thing. :p

Regarding espionage, I think costs should be fixed. Either that or based on the economic value of the nation being spied on, not your own income.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 26, 2007, 04:02 PM
I can see a version of this game based on Orson scott card's Shadow series (the bean quartet)

Tasslehoff
Dec 26, 2007, 04:14 PM
World Map updated. China and Mali are now on the map, SSSR territory changed, WAu Naval Base moved.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 26, 2007, 04:33 PM
Can the next reserve be the hegemony?

(based in brazil, with random territories throughout the map?)

:p

oh... and bris won't play. (unless she posts here herslef to say she will, but i seriously doubt it)

LosingT
Dec 26, 2007, 08:27 PM
I can make a pretty big world map, if you are looking to fill more people in, because I see a bunch that wants to play :p

D'Artagnan59
Dec 26, 2007, 08:37 PM
LosingT! You escaped TEH ALIENZ!

Tasslehoff
Dec 26, 2007, 08:52 PM
It's alright, LosingT. We've actually only got two people as confirmed reserves.

LosingT
Dec 26, 2007, 09:10 PM
Allright, just incase any of you guys wants a huge map for their game, heres a link.
http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07524/123.PNG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs122&d=07524&f=123.PNG)


GL to all the players! :D

merciary
Dec 26, 2007, 10:25 PM
thomas, I'd join if you got one going based on the bean series.

LightFang
Dec 27, 2007, 12:52 AM
Allright, just incase any of you guys wants a huge map for their game, heres a link.
http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07524/123.PNG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs122&d=07524&f=123.PNG)


GL to all the players! :D

Such hideous colors. Just use a NESing map.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 27, 2007, 08:28 AM
thomas, I'd join if you got one going based on the bean series.

i don't haev the time to run something as complex as this, but i would join too, if someone else ran one.

Izipo
Dec 27, 2007, 04:50 PM
Okay, DE II has finished... Time to wrap up the fine points and start this one.

Frozen In Ice
Dec 27, 2007, 04:58 PM
EDIT: Actually, I'll sign up as a reserve.

Tasslehoff
Dec 27, 2007, 07:31 PM
Alright, Niklas is playing as China, Frozen In Ice is first reserve. Leeksoup is currently second, but if he doesn't confirm before I start the game, Stuck In Pi gets second.

Now I'll run off and sort out the special abilities before y'all slaughter me. :hide:

LightFang
Dec 27, 2007, 07:34 PM
You should just use mine so I know what they all are. >:D

Also: there should be some sort of espionage thing where you can divine other people's special abilities. Although that should cost a lot.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 28, 2007, 09:07 AM
Tasslehoff: the map's down

edit: if there's espionage, maybe one fo the things in it should be counterespionage?

Leeksoup
Dec 28, 2007, 10:56 AM
Leeksoup dives through the door, narrowly dodging an explosion

NOOOOO!

I wish I had known about this before it was too late to sign up! Ah well. I'm a reserve!

Ekolite
Dec 28, 2007, 04:47 PM
Sorry if this is in the rules, I might have missed it. How many units/turn does it take to capture a region? In Dip2 I think it was 2 infantry or a tank and it took 2 turns, I dont know, I just sent everything I had at it when I wanted some more land - and thats what led to my eventual crushing by Niklas so it would be helpful, thanks.

Izipo
Dec 28, 2007, 05:13 PM
The number you are looking for is three...

Tasslehoff
Dec 28, 2007, 05:18 PM
Alright. Map has been updated for the very last time. As I write this, PMs are being sent, and we're ready to start. As soon as I send all the PMs, I'll write the first update.

And yes, it takes a strength factor of three (three infantry, one tank, three paras) to capture a neutral territory. It takes a single turn, unless you're capturing from an opponent, in which case it turns neutral after the first turn, and is yours the second.

Tasslehoff
Dec 28, 2007, 08:52 PM
The World Messenger, Spring 1955
World on Edge of Change, Say Analysts

According to analysts, the status of our world seems on the very edge of change, say historian analysts. Since the events of World War II in the 1930s and 40s, the once-superpowers in Europe and America have been weakened or destroyed.
"We now have several large nations, across the world, each with the potential to become the next superpower," an unnamed analyst reported.
With these nations, all roughly equal in military, it seems likely that a large-scale war will develop.
"The largest war of our times- World War II- occurred when several large nations of roughly equal strength vied for power, mostly in Europe. We now have a similar scenario, but with nations across the entire world. Barring a large, unforeseeable change, it is quite possible that a huge war will soon envelop the entire world, possible more bloody than any other." The analyst concluded.
Will this pessimistic prophecy come to pass? Will peace last, or will the entire world be plunged into war?


http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9722/e3worldik4.gif

All stats and such on the first page, it's time to get started!

I highly suggest and support Diplomacy in this thread, it makes it easier to keep track of.

Diplomacy phase ending Sunday, 12-30-07 at 7:00 GMT-8, at which point I'll post telling everybody to send in orders.

merciary
Dec 28, 2007, 09:03 PM
From El Presidente

To the respected leaders of Quebec and Chile:

In all of our new found world power status I believe that the three American powers should in an effort to keep the peace and to set an example to the world try to attempt to work together. My advisers would like a alliance but I don't think anyone is ready to trust each other but I believe we should at least coordinate expansion in order to prevent any debate over land. Please respond back with your response. I thank you for your time.

D'Artagnan59
Dec 28, 2007, 09:34 PM
Sure.

I get Union, Midwest, and Florida. I also lay down claims to all of former Canada and Alaska, so if anyone plans on taking them, don't, eh?

LightFang
Dec 28, 2007, 09:49 PM
PROCLAMATION!!!11one

The President of South Africa awoke, as if from a slumber. He had quietly run most of his years in office without incident. Now, though, the times were changing. He threw the newspaper down on his mahogany desk where it landed with a less than satisfactorily whap and grinned. His pearly white teeth glistened in the bright fluorescent light.

"I have an idea," he said, grinning. "Get me some parchment!"

"What if you make a mistake, Mr. President?"

"Good point, my dear secretary. In that case, get me a computer!"

"It's on your desk."

"Oh," he said, without batting an eyelash, and furiously typed.

To: Mali
From: South Africa

I have prepared a treaty of sorts. As fellow African people, we should stick together in these coming turbulent times. Let the world know that Africans take care of Africans.


The Treaty of Friendship

We, the nations of Mali and South Africa (hereinafter referred to as the undersigned) agree to the following:

1. No nation of the undersigned will declare war on another nation of the undersigned. Any attempt to unlawfully seize territory from another part of the undersigned will result in a state of war and is thus prohibited as part of this treaty.

2. Any attempt by any other nation to unlawfully seize territory or seaports belonging to a nation of the undersigned will automatically cause a state of war to exist between themselves and all of the undersigned.

3. In a spirit of friendship (from which the treaty gets its title), the two African nations will agree to work together to settle territorial disputes and shape the world to its liking.

Signed,
President "LightFang" of South Africa
-----------------------------------

Now, if you would care to sign this, we can happily be on our way to greatness in the future together.

Izipo
Dec 29, 2007, 04:40 AM
The camera pans across a luxurious and lush landscape. The ocean can be seen in the distance when coming atop a hill the camera heads towards a magnificent white marble palace. Entering by a French window, we find ourselves staring at the impressive desk of the Malinese leader.
On his desk a sleek black computer is beeping 'you have received mail'.
Grabbing the rodent, the DERL of Mali stares at the screen for a few seconds...

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9296/mansasmallsr0.jpg

"So, it is starting..."

The Treaty of Friendship

We, the nations of Mali and South Africa (hereinafter referred to as the undersigned) agree to the following:

1. No nation of the undersigned will declare war on another nation of the undersigned. Any attempt to unlawfully seize territory from another part of the undersigned will result in a state of war and is thus prohibited as part of this treaty.

2. Any attempt by any other nation to unlawfully seize territory or seaports belonging to a nation of the undersigned will automatically cause a state of war to exist between themselves and all of the undersigned.

3. In a spirit of friendship (from which the treaty gets its title), the two African nations will agree to work together to settle territorial disputes and shape the world to its liking.

Signed,
President "LightFang" of South Africa
DERL Izipo of Mali

Before hitting the send button, he makes sure to add a few lines.

Dear president,
We, the Diplomatically Elected Ruler for Life Izipo of Mali, welcome such friendly acts with joy. Let us state that the only true goal of Mali is the colonization of other planets. To do so, we will use our financial genius to our advantage. If you're ever in need of Gold, please do not hesitate to ask about our competitive rates of interest.
On a side note, we hope you will understand that the territories bordering Mali (namely Congo, CAR and Chad) are of utmost strategic importance to us.
Hoping we will reach a peaceful agreement;
Yours truly,
DERL Izipo.

LightFang
Dec 29, 2007, 05:03 AM
From: President LightFang of South Africa
To: DERL Izipo of Mali

We agree. You will also then realize that the territories bordering South Africa (namely, Angola, Zaire, and Tanzania) are of utmost strategic importance to us.

Let peace ring throughout Africa! The Africans do indeed take care of Africans.

-----

Mr. President's moniker was of course LightFang. Nobody knew where he got that name except the President himself, and he wasn't telling anybody. He grinned, and the strong ray from his lamp glistened against his fanged tooth prettily.

He thought of another brilliant idea and fired off another piece of vital mail. Things had changed since he awakened from his peaceful slumber. Diplomacy was taking place!

To: Chile and Australia

The Treaty of Antarctica

We, the nations of Chile, South Africa, and Australia (hereinafter referred to as the undersigned) agree to the following:

1. Chile will receive sovereignty over the West of Antarctica: namely, the key city of BAT as well as APe, Marie Byrd Land, and San.

2. South Africa will receive sovereignty over the Middle of Antarctica: namely, the key city of Showa as well as Nov, Mawson, and Norwegian Dependency.

3. Australia will receive sovereignty over the East of Antarctica: namely, the key city of Len as well as Ross Ice Shelf, DMv, and Casey.

4. Vostok and the South Pole will remain demilitarized.

5. The undersigned are free to exchange territories lawfully.

6. Any seizure of territories done unlawfully will automatically cause a state of war to exist between all the undersigned against the aggressor.

Signed,
President LightFang of South Africa
---------------------------------
---------------------------------

Feel free to edit it, comrades.

Niklas
Dec 29, 2007, 05:45 AM
http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07526/jiangzemin2.png

From: First Chairman Nao Zedong

Ehum. The world is at peace. And for this peace to last, it is required that strong powers maintain a firm control over lesser states, since only strong powers can maintain an armed and vigilant status quo in this new world.

In the wake of the Japanese brutality, China hereby indicates its intention to become the herald and guardian of peace in southern and eastern Asia. Transgressions by any other powers in this area will be seen as hostile and will be answered with massive deadly force, in order to preserve peace and stability.

China hereby declares its immediate area of influence to range over the Central Asian territories of Kyrgyztan and Tadjikistan, all of India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, as well as Inner Mongolia.

ps. Thanks to bernie14 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6260145#post6260145) for the great image.

Ekolite
Dec 29, 2007, 05:55 AM
To my dear friends, the nations of China and South Africa,

We are an Island, a tiny little island, we have no where to expand but into Antartica and South East Asia. I am personally insulted that you would seek divide these lands so unfairly regarding us. South Africa, you have all of Africa to grow into, China, Asia, as such Australlia hereby claims the regions of Bom, Clc, Bur, Tha, Vie as well as Indonesia and the Philipenes. In Antartica, I claim the regions of South Pole, Norwegian Dependency, and every thing east of Showa. Chile and yourself may divide the rest between you, you both have plenty of other land to take over. This is negotiable, only, not very. Please sign below. If you do not agree to this, for your own selfish reasons, I tell you now I will NOT sign this 'Treaty of Antartica', therefore it will be invalid - null and void and will mean nothing.

Thank you,

Yours Sincerely, President Kol, Australlia.

________________________ (China)
________________________ (South Africa)
________________________ (Chille)

Niklas
Dec 29, 2007, 06:03 AM
http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07526/jiangzemin.png

From: First Chairman Nao Zedong

Preposterous. The tiny island nation of Australia, not fit to be considered a major power, and as such not suited to help maintain peace in this new era, makes claims to Asia. How laughable. Persist in this folly and massive deadly force awaits you, all in the name of peace of course.

You are welcome to claim the Philippines and Indonesia, though the presence of any military ships in the Yellow Sea, the South China Sea and the Bay of Bengal will not be tolerated.

Ekolite
Dec 29, 2007, 06:05 AM
I'm afraid I cannot accept. I will sign no agreements and be threatened by no threats. All of the remaining Powers in this world are of equal strangth, I would like to remind you. I may be willing to compromise. (Funny, I thought you'd at least be willin to compromise after dip2)

Niklas
Dec 29, 2007, 06:09 AM
(OOC: I like playing each game differently. Roleplaying is part of the deal, and China will be a blast to roleplay. Where's the fun in doing the same all the time? :p)

From: First Chairman Nao Zedong
To: the Austronesians

Agreements? We have not asked for your signature on anything, have we? We see no need to, we merely state what the contingencies will be of certain actions of yours. You will not need our signature on paper to know that we mean what we say.

Ekolite
Dec 29, 2007, 06:13 AM
Well in all honesty, fine, that land is ours, I hope we dont have to fight over it, but, if necessary, we will. I would like to state, again, that I am open to negotiations via PM, thank you.

(Man I hate having you as a neighbour, Niklas, you're not even pretending to be friendly this time)

Ekolite
Dec 29, 2007, 06:20 AM
From, the most fantastic nation of Autrallia (and new zeland)
To: The United Arab Caliphate

I propose a treaty of peace and friendship between our two nations, may it last for several years.

Treaty of South Asia
1. The nations of Australlia and UAC will sign a non-aggression pact which will last until this treaty is declared null and void.
2. The undersigned nations will trade freely and automatically, whenever possible.
3. In the unlikely event that China invades either of our nations, the undersigned will agree to join forces against them.

President Kol.
_______________ (UAC)

Niklas
Dec 29, 2007, 09:41 AM
From: First Chairman Nao Zedong

China strongly encourages the Arab Caliphate not to sign any agreements with the Australian nation that goes beyond non-aggression and trade. We also strongly encourage the Arab Calophate to immediately take control over the nation of Pakistan, so that trade may flow along the silk route once more.

We wish to make it clear to the world at large that China has no intention of invading Australia, and will not to anything to jeopardize the peace and stability in the area. Only if Australia conducts a hostile invasion of the Asian mainland will we be forced to act, to preserve said peace and stability.

(Kol, as I said before, sometimes (often!) it's more fun to play against people. I kinda like having you as a neighbor and go through these diplomatic maneuvers, I think this will be a lot of fun! :))

Ekolite
Dec 29, 2007, 10:08 AM
(Oh, dont worry I know. Jesus, I did a little roleplay in Dip2 and now everyone seems to be, we even have pictures from some people :O. Its just that it will be more fun if I win :p)

Australia would like to remind China that it does not own the whole world as of yet and it has no authority over the regions of Bur, Tha and Vie or any of India. Australlia may decide to take land in mainland Asia, this would have nothing to do with China and so I wish you would not see this as some sort of threat, we wont touch anything that belongs to you, i wish you'd be willing to compromise about this.

Also, nothing personal, Lightfang, but you have plenty of land north of your location to expand into, I am not at this time willing to sign any treaty, dividing Antartica. As far as I'm concerned, its first come, first served over there. I would also suggest that the UAC ignores any threats they recieve from China, he is no more powerful then anyone else. I have personally had enough of being bossed around by other countries, first Britain, then China. We're not a colony any more.

Thank you.
President Kol on countries getting too big for their boots. At a world conference in Victoria.

EDIT: I would also like to add that I will not be '''hostilely invading'', I may choose to claim land on Mainland Asia, I will not seek to claim anything already under the control of the Chinese government. This will not be seen by the world as a hostile invasion but a peaceful expansion of my Nation into neutral lands, lands that are not under your control. I would also kindly ask you to stop bullying the Arab Caliphate, they will make their own decision, hopefully it will be the right one.

Niklas
Dec 29, 2007, 11:00 AM
From: First Chairman Nao Zedong
To: SSSR

We welcome you to reestablish control in northern Asia, for greater peace and for the promotion of the true Communist ideals. We sincerely hope you will move to pacify at least one of Mongolia and Korea this turn, so that our two nations can trade freely. We have drafted the following treaty, for your viewing, commentary and approval:
Treaty of Asian Peace

1. The nations of SSSR and China will sign a pact of non-aggression.
2. The nations of SSSR and China will agree to free trade, as soon as trade routes are opened.
3. China recognizes the claims of SSSR to northern Asia, including the territories of Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Hei and Korea, and anything north and west of these.
4. SSSR recognizes the claims of China to southern Asia, including the territories of Inner Mongolia, Kyrgyztan and anything south and east of these.

Signed
First Chairman Nao Zedong
____________________________ (SSSR)

merciary
Dec 29, 2007, 11:39 AM
Sure.

I get Union, Midwest, and Florida. I also lay down claims to all of former Canada and Alaska, so if anyone plans on taking them, don't, eh?

I'd only find this acceptable if you give up claims to Florida, as we could split the former US into North and South equally. I find it would be much fairer since former Canada and Alaska have much more cities than the US. As with this deal you would get four cities while I only get one. I have no problem with you having Canada and Alaska as they are much closer to you and more similar in climate than to us down here. I hope you except these terms.

sirtommygunn
Dec 29, 2007, 12:33 PM
To: Mexico
From: Chile

I understand that you wish to expand but are stuck between 2 powers that also wish to do so. I will let you expand into south america but please only take Col, Ven, and peru. Everything else in south america rightfully belongs to me. I hope you can see this as a fair deal.

merciary
Dec 29, 2007, 01:25 PM
That is fine, that was all I was planning on taking anyways.

LightFang
Dec 29, 2007, 01:50 PM
The President of South Africa cursed. Nobody wanted peace in Antarctica! They would turn it into a bloodbath. Fine. He angrily drew up another document.

The LightFang Doctrine

South Africa herein establishes its hegemony in the South of Africa and as of thus would like to make claims to these territories:

1. On water, these zones will remain South African. No ship will enter these waters: Southeast Atlantic, Southwest Indian, MCh.

2. On land, these zones will remain South African. No troops will enter these territories: Angola, Zaire, Tan.

3. Enter the East Atlantic Ocean carefully. This zone is a large zone but we will warn you to warn us before entering it, as it threatens our interests.

He also proposed an Addendum, but this one would have to be co-signed.

Addendum:

a. Africa will remain for Africans. The nations of South Africa and Mali will unite to ensure that foreign encroachment of African lands does not occur.

He wondered what that guy in Mali would think.

Ekolite
Dec 29, 2007, 01:59 PM
I'm sorry, I don't seem to understand. Are you saying you'll stay put in Africa? I think that would be an excelent idea. Autrallia currently has no interest in colonising Africa, we will probably steer clear although if it becomes apparent that we need to pass through this area, we will warn you in advance. In return, you're ships will not enter the Southern Indian Ocean or any area of water bordering mainland Australlia. Do you agree?

Izipo
Dec 29, 2007, 02:01 PM
That guy in Mali proposes a toast of fine champagne to help us chill.
I understand your concerns, but remind you that we share the same ocean, surely our navy (if we ever have one someday) will be able to move freely in the East Atlantic ?
Anyway, I would gladly hear what the leader of Arabia has to say, his silence is quite unnerving.
In the meantime, here's a toast to free trade and science.

LightFang
Dec 29, 2007, 02:19 PM
Oh, yes, I had forgotten about that. We both will share sovereignty over that. Acceptable? Also we should establish free trade as soon as possible.

Izipo
Dec 29, 2007, 02:30 PM
Cheers !
I knew champagne would make you see the light.
Agreed on both counts.

Backwards Logic
Dec 29, 2007, 03:26 PM
The European Prime Minister awoke with a start. Sweat poured from his temple as he struggled to find his glasses. Another nightmare... bombs, explosions, carnage, death. He'd seen it all, all too frequently. Finally though Europe was at peace, he told himself. At peace, and united under one banner.

The morning paper greeted him with its usual headlines: the weather, news, sports, and so on. Until one article struck him: "...several large nations...potential to be next superpower...huge war soon envelope the whole world..."

"This can't be," he muttered. "Another outbreak of another bloody conflict on the horizon." He sat down. Nausea took hold of his ailing body, as his nightmares seemed to turn into reality once again. After two devastating wars, he couldn't comprehend a third.

Europe needed to expand, if only to fortify its holdings. The rest of the world too was claiming territory, and already verbal battles raged across Antarctica and Asia.

He called a press conference. He shuffled his papers, braced himself on the podium, and took a labored breath.

"Europe has finally begun a new era of peace. Decades of war have passed over this bloodied continent and finally, we have peace. We only hope this peace will last, so our children and their children will only know peace.

"With that being said, Europe will be expanding to fortify itself from any hostile actions. Therefore, the territories of Ukr, Pol, Bst, and StP will be under European rule while the cities of Bal, Bel, and Scan will also fall under European jurisdiction. We also hope across the world all territory disputes will be settled without bloodshed. We thank you for your time."

He stepped down, and wondered what would happen next. He felt a chill, but dismissed it. A new era had begun.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 29, 2007, 07:44 PM
To:
Chairman Nao Zedong
Prime Minister of Europe

The SSSR has completely recovered from the Civil wars instigated by the fall of the former Premier Stalin. As such, We seek to reextend our benevolent rule over the territories that have been without it. we will not seek to extend ourselves beyond our former borders, unless called to do so by the people of said territories.
We Lay our claim to the territoires of:
STP, BST, Ukr, Bel, Moscow, Kazahkstan, West Siberia, Mongolia, Hei, and Korea.

Nothing less than our Former glory will satisfy us. By all means, squabble over the rest of the world, but leave the SSSR it's own.

Thomas, Premier of the SSSR

Backwards Logic
Dec 29, 2007, 08:03 PM
To: Thomas, Premier of SSSR

The European Empire may be a peaceful nation, however, when our very means of survival are threatened, we will defend ourselves. Your selfish claims to territory that is rightfully mine will not go unnoticed. Do you honestly expect me to agree to stifle my expansion so that I lag behind the rest of the world? I think not. I am only requesting the territories that are rightfully considered to be part of Europe.

As your short-sighted proposal states, currently, you will end up with a final total of 9 cities and 8 territories, leaving me with 6 cities and 3 territories. That is absolutely unacceptable. And don't tell me to take Africa, that land is rightfully Mali. Or tell me to expand into Turkey, as that should be Arab. What I have claimed previously is mine, and we will treat any incursion on your part into said territories as an act of war. You have been warned.

D'Artagnan59
Dec 29, 2007, 09:52 PM
To: Thomas, Premier of SSSR and Merciary, President of Mexico
From: D'Artagnan, President of Quebec (known as Your Sexiness to the women)

Union, Midwest, Indian Territory, Alaska, Alb, BCo, and YTe are mine. You can have the southern portion of what remains of Stupidstan (someone unbelievably stupid would get his brother to rig the election so he could win the U.S. election in 2000). SSSR, don't even consider for a minute taking Alaska. You're getting enough territory from the Chinese, and you will not be getting Alaska. I will not split the Union, but you will get Florida, Redneckia, and Nevada. Besides, your ancestors colonized Florida, so it's only fair you get it.

Also, I claim Greenland.

Niklas
Dec 30, 2007, 05:25 AM
From: First Chairman Nao Zedong
To: Thomas, Premier of the SSSR

We are glad to see that your claims fully coincide with the territories we already suggested you should claim for the sake of peace and stability. Will you then sign the treaty (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6304940&postcount=71) we have drafted? In particular since tensions seem to already build in your west, having a stable and peaceful Asia would greatly benefit us both.

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 06:27 AM
China, I hereby warn you that if any hostile action is taken towards us upon our landing in Asia, you will regret it. We could have been a powerful friend to you, you underestimate our abilities. Fight us, and watch the world, rather quickly, turn against you. Also, I would suggest that the SSSR really doesn't need to listen to their powerhungry southern neighbours. You are weak, china.

Niklas
Dec 30, 2007, 06:49 AM
Australia, I have already warned you that setting foot in Asia will be considered a hostile action and will be responded to as such. Your petty threats mean nothing to me, and there will be no place for you to land in Asia that we have not already claimed.

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 06:53 AM
And I have already told you comrade that landing on Asia will not be a hostile action against you, I will not claim any land already under your control and I will not attack your forces except for self-defense.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 30, 2007, 09:33 AM
To: Thomas, Premier of SSSR

The European Empire may be a peaceful nation, however, when our very means of survival are threatened, we will defend ourselves. Your selfish claims to territory that is rightfully mine will not go unnoticed. Do you honestly expect me to agree to stifle my expansion so that I lag behind the rest of the world? I think not. I am only requesting the territories that are rightfully considered to be part of Europe.

As your short-sighted proposal states, currently, you will end up with a final total of 9 cities and 8 territories, leaving me with 6 cities and 3 territories. That is absolutely unacceptable. And don't tell me to take Africa, that land is rightfully Mali. Or tell me to expand into Turkey, as that should be Arab. What I have claimed previously is mine, and we will treat any incursion on your part into said territories as an act of war. You have been warned.

So, you seek to remove from SSSR control territory that has been part of it for longer than the EU has been conceived of? Be glad that we did not claim poland, as it would reightfully have been ours, we having conquered it in the last great war. We will not be denied what is ours!

To China:

Treaty of Asian Peace

1. The nations of SSSR and China will sign a pact of non-aggression.
2. The nations of SSSR and China will agree to free trade, as soon as trade routes are opened.
3. China recognizes the claims of SSSR to northern Asia, including the territories of Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Hei and Korea, and anything north and west of these.
4. SSSR recognizes the claims of China to southern Asia, including the territories of Inner Mongolia, Kyrgyztan and anything south and east of these.

Signed
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
Premier Thomas (SSSR)

However, i suggest an amendum allowing Australia a territory in southern Asia, perhaps Thailand?

Niklas
Dec 30, 2007, 09:51 AM
From: First Chairman Nao Zedong
To: Premier Thomas

It pleases us greatly that peace and stability will reign in Asia. But we will not abide that southern upstart, or any other power, to make colonies in mainland Asia.

merciary
Dec 30, 2007, 10:28 AM
to President D'Artagnan,

I find this acceptable, what I meant by splitting the US was splitting the territories that once belonged to the US not the territory Union, that you are free to.

D'Artagnan59
Dec 30, 2007, 10:33 AM
Cool. Then let's split.

You get Redneckia, Florida, and Nevada, I get Union, Indian Territory, and Midwest.

Backwards Logic
Dec 30, 2007, 10:46 AM
So, you seek to remove from SSSR control territory that has been part of it for longer than the EU has been conceived of? Be glad that we did not claim poland, as it would reightfully have been ours, we having conquered it in the last great war. We will not be denied what is ours!

To China:

Treaty of Asian Peace

1. The nations of SSSR and China will sign a pact of non-aggression.
2. The nations of SSSR and China will agree to free trade, as soon as trade routes are opened.
3. China recognizes the claims of SSSR to northern Asia, including the territories of Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Hei and Korea, and anything north and west of these.
4. SSSR recognizes the claims of China to southern Asia, including the territories of Inner Mongolia, Kyrgyztan and anything south and east of these.

Signed
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
Premier Thomas (SSSR)

However, i suggest an amendum allowing Australia a territory in southern Asia, perhaps Thailand?

To Thomas, Premier of SSSR

"We will will not be denied what is ours" Actually, you just have been. They aren't yours. I've claimed it and it is non-negotiable. Any attempt on your part to seize these territories will be considered an act of war and you will be met in force. So, may I humbly suggest to you to back down, as they are mine.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 30, 2007, 11:04 AM
The people of these territories seek the return of the benevolent rulership of the SSSR. who protected them when Hitler spread his talons over Europe? who held out long after the rest of Europe had fallen?

it was the USSR.

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 11:06 AM
When will the update be? I've sent my orders.

Backwards Logic
Dec 30, 2007, 11:11 AM
If by protection you mean beheadings and mass murder, then yea, you hit the nail on the head there. Or no freedom of speech, freedom of travel, freedom, of, well, damn it, EVERYTHING. Yea, you did them a whole lotta good.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 30, 2007, 11:54 AM
There's no denying that Stalin was slightly insane, but we are not stalin. The recent Civil War removed those unpleasent elements, and we are now a free and just as can possibly be wanted.
however, as a gesture of goodwill, we are prepared to relinquish our claims to BST, Bel, and Ukr.

do not presume to ask for more.

Backwards Logic
Dec 30, 2007, 12:08 PM
Do the words "non-negotiable" not appear in the Russian dictionary?? Anything less then what I have claimed is unacceptable. I will not back down. Reason: I'll end up with 7 cities and 4 territories, you with 8 cities and 5 territories. So no. StP is mine.

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 12:13 PM
China I have sent you a PM stating a new peaceful negotiation. This is still open to negotiation, I don't want war this early in the game and neither should you. However, at the bottom line I want Thailand and Bur, as well as the phillopines and Indonesia.

I hope you will see sense.

sirtommygunn
Dec 30, 2007, 12:35 PM
To: south africa & austrailia
from: Chile
it has come to my attention that we need a way to split antarctica so i think we should split it like this:

Chile will get the following provinces, aPe, BAT, Marie Byrd Land and the south pole. this gives me a total of 50 income

south africa will get the following: San, Nov, Showa, Mawson and Norwegian dependency giving him a total of 55 income

Austrailia will get the following: Vostock, Casey, Dmv, Len, and ross ice giving him a total of 55 income

i hope you can see this as a fair deal.

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 12:58 PM
Chille, you have no competion in South America you hav already aggreed with mexico, Australlia has no where else to expand into but Antartica, I believe I sent you a pm. I will not even consider splitting antartica equally with you. You have so much room to the north you dont need any land in the southand you're arrival there will not be met with a warm welcome. Be warned.

China, for what its worth, you will sign this promise,

I, High Chief Comrade (W/e) Niklas, of China hereby solemnly promise not to build an Air base or naval base or amass an army that is stronger then seven strength in the provence of Tha. I do this as a respectful sign to the people of Australlia that I do not plan on launching an invasion onto mainland Australlia or its asociated islands, breaking this promise will prove to the world that I am not to be trusted and should be imiediately destroyed by all my neighbours :p. I will also allow the australlians to claim indonesia and the phillipenes because I am far too greedy and powerhungry to allow them any land on the South East Asia mainland, which is of couurse rightfully theirs.

I also promise not to be such a complete bastard in the future. (no offense)

_________________________________ (China)
President Kol, Australlia

sirtommygunn
Dec 30, 2007, 02:23 PM
all of antarctica to you would make you too strong, it needs to be split by at least 2 people (in this case 3). One country should not own an entire continent (except europe and austrailia) you already have one continent i really think you shouldnt own another entire landmass. besides you also have asia to expand too.

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 02:29 PM
Australlia's not a continent, besides, thats not the point, I have 6 regions in australlia, no counting New zeland.

Me and South Africa are running a first come first served aproach with Antartica. Your pressance will not be tolerated in antartica, I believe the map was changed to give you more room to expand into on you own continent. Do so. If you had practically all of s. america and a third of antartica you would be too powerful.

Apart from that, I don't really care to be honest. Its not negotiable, I will not divde my land with you.

sirtommygunn
Dec 30, 2007, 02:36 PM
your land? it is not anybodys land yet austrailia, also why is it both of you can get land there yet i cant? im willing to give up claims on the south pole but the rest ive claimed is rightfully mine. i dont want a war to start over your greed so just let me be in antarctica.(also i believe the map was changed so id have less land at the start but im not really sure)

Ekolite
Dec 30, 2007, 02:50 PM
You are not entitled to any land in antartica because you have so much land in the north to expand into. Australlia has no where else to expand into, therefore, it is you, selfishly crippling us by not allowing us to expand into the only area we can.

I'm sorry but Im not willing to compromise here and I wont respond to any more arguments you may present.

thomas.berubeg
Dec 30, 2007, 02:57 PM
Ha? non-negociable? nothing is none-negociable...

Izipo
Dec 30, 2007, 04:12 PM
I'd say, champagne for everyone...
Say, does anyone want to trade ?
Gold for technologies would be appreciated.

Kidding, too bad we don't have techs. ;)

Tasslehoff
Dec 30, 2007, 04:56 PM
5/10 Orders in. I'm posting this early, but mreh.

ORDER TIME! Diplomacy may still continue, but please start writing your orders.

ORDERS DUE TOMORROW, 12-31, AT 7:00 GMT-8

Backwards Logic
Dec 30, 2007, 05:42 PM
Ha? non-negociable? nothing is none-negociable...

Apparently non-negotiable isn't in your dictionary, since you managed to misspell it twice. If you really want war this early, then by all means, take StP. I'll be waiting for you.

LightFang
Dec 30, 2007, 08:04 PM
Orders sent! Critique them at will.

Ekolite
Dec 31, 2007, 03:58 AM
Treaty of Thailand

This is a treaty between China and Australlia designed to avoid war in Asia.

1. China will not build an Air or Naval base in the region of Thailand. (Tha)
2. Australlia will not claim land on mainland Asia.
3. China will not claim the Philipenes or Indonesia.
4. China will not amass an army stronger then seven strength in Tha.
5. The breaking of this treaty by either party will be an act of war.
6. Australlia will not move loaded transport ships into the Bay of Bengal or Yellow Sea
7. China will not move loaded transports into the Bay of Bengal, South China Sea or any sea bordering mainland australlia.

President Kol
________________

The reason for number 4 is that I have no way of stopping you from breaking number 1 short of landing an army there and destroying it myself, so its just to make sure I can. Don't worry about the possiblity of me invading, I have better things to do right now and besides, you'd easilly take Thailand right back.

So sign the treaty.

Ekolite
Dec 31, 2007, 11:20 AM
President Kol's angry letter to ''Chille'

all of antarctica to you would make you too strong, it needs to be split by at least 2 people (in this case 3). One country should not own an entire continent (except europe and austrailia) you already have one continent i really think you shouldnt own another entire landmass. besides you also have asia to expand too.

Also, as you can see in the Treaty of Thailand, myself and Niklas have come to the decision that we will stop messing in each others business. I can't expand into Asia, I haven't got anywhere else to expand into unlike you. You have all of South America to expand into. I would suggest that you focus your efforts there before Mexico decides he wants more land, then you would have Mexico coming in from the North and you will have me crushing anything you might send into Antartica. Chille will therefore be completely powerless and hopefully Mexico would finish you off. Its for your own good, so stay out of Antartica.

Also, if you build a sea or air base this turn, BIG MISTAKE.

1. You would have wasted a whole lot of money which you could be using to get land in S.America, you will miss out on a lot of early expansion and suck for the rest of the game.
2. I will be angry. (and you dont want that :p)

merciary
Dec 31, 2007, 11:36 AM
And who says I'll go back on my word. I have other plans than go after land that's not worth the loss of men. Mexico is peaceful and will not attack unless provoked.

Ekolite
Dec 31, 2007, 01:16 PM
Not now maybe, but in a couple of turns who knows?

Anyway, I was just proving my point. They don't know you wont go back on your word ;).

Tasslehoff
Dec 31, 2007, 06:36 PM
The World Messenger, Fall 1955
Aggressive Expansion and Diplomatic Battles May Bring Conflict

Since our recent article on the possibility of world conflict, and the possible violent doom it may mean, it appears that the world nations are bent on making the prophecy come true. Verbal battles occurred throughout the entire world, as leaders argued and sparred, each trying to divide the world in a favorable manner.

While treaties in Africa and the Americas put the powers there at easy peace, most other treaty and diplomatic attempts flopped, the South African treaty for the division of Antarctica being rejected by both Australia and Chile, the nations of China and Australia viciously struggling and arguing for power in Southeast Asia, and the SSSR and Europe viciously bickered over former West Russia, ending with threats of war.

After the vicious diplomacy, each nation proceeded to annex much of surrounding area, bring the nations closer together, and making the possibility of conflict loom more dangerously.

Analysts say this is similar to the years before the World War II, but worse, as this war includes all major powers aggressively annexing territory, rather than just a few before the previous war. If history is to be an indicator of the future, huge wars are coming.

On a lighter note, the secretary-general of the United Nations has awarded several nations awards for good "orders," whatever they might be. Claims he's following "Izipo's GMing tradition." He's quite mad, they say. I wonder if he realizes that Izipo's the leader of Mali, and has never "GMed," whatever that means.

:trophy: Award for most in-depth orders to LightFang
:trophy2nd: Award for clear, in-depth orders to Izipo, Kol.7, and Backwards Logic


Territories
Australia: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 5 Territories, 1 NB
SSSR: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 2 Territories
The United Arab Caliphate: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 5 Territories
Europe: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 2 Territories
South Africa: 1 Capitol, 4 Cities, 3 Territories
Chile: 1 Capitol, 4 Cities, 4 Territories
Mexico: 1 Capitol, 4 Cities, 4 Territories
Quebec: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 6 Territories
Mali: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 4 Territories, 1NB
China: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 4 Territories

Economy (Spending Limit in One City) [Trading Partners]
Australia- Kol.7: 130G (80G) [None]
SSSR- thomas.berubeg: 128G (85G) [China]
The UAC- The Loser: 120G (80G) [None]
Europe- Backwards Logic: 120G (80G) [None]
South Africa- LightFang: 130G (80G) [None]
Chile- sirtommygunn: 125G (80G) [None]
Mexico- merciary: 120G (80G) [None]
Quebec- D'Artagnan59: 130G (85G) [None]
Mali- Izipo: 115G (75G) [None]
China- Niklas: 146G (95G) [SSSR]

Units:
Australia:
1st Marines- 3I @ Len
2nd Marines- 3I @ Vostok
1st Transport- 2 Transports @ SeI
SSSR:
1st Army- 5I @ WSi
2nd Army- 4I @ MnG
The UAC:
1st Army- 3I @ Egy (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I @ Trk
3rd Army- 3I @ Afg
Europe:
1st Army- 3I @ Pol
2nd Army- 2I @ Ger
1st Tanks- 1T @ Bal
South Africa:
1st Army- 3I Zai
2nd Army- 3I Tan
Chile:
1st Army- 3I @ Bra
2nd Army- 3I @ Bol
3rd Army- 3I @ Rdj
Mexico:
1st Army- 3I @ Col
2nd Army- 3I @ Nev
3rd Army- 3I @ DSo
Quebec:
1st Army- 3I @ Alb
2nd Army- 3I @ Uni
3rd Army- 3I @ Mid
Mali:
1st Army- 3I @ Alg
2nd Army- 3I @ Nge
China:
1st Tanks- 1T @ Bur
2nd Tanks- 1T @ Del
3rd Tanks- 1T @ Kyr

Public Treaties: (Participants)
The Treaty of Friendship (South Africa and Mali)
The Treaty of Asian Peace (SSSR and China)

Published Proclamations (Author and Country)
The LightFang Doctrine (LightFang of South Africa)

And the Mappe!

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9048/ed3fall1955vd4.gif

DIPLOMACY PHASE STARTING. ENDS JANUARY 2ND, 5:00 PM, GMT-8!

And, to see my awesome animation-map, check post #3!

Niklas
Dec 31, 2007, 07:30 PM
(( Nice update! (though I can't help but wonder what was wrong with my orders, wasn't "perfect" good enough? :p Seriously though, if there's anything you want me to do differently then say so, all for the GM you know ;)).

Also a few nitpicks/questions:
First of all I spent only 90 of my 95G, so I should still have 5 left (maybe that's what wasn't perfect about my orders, I should have been more clear on that issue ;)). I think the same goes for some others too, checking their assets vs spendings.

Second, why are we not trading with each other in Asia? At least China and SSSR should be trading since we signed a public treaty about it. As for China and the UAC, we were just about to but never got that far before the update. If we agree on trade now, will we still get the +10% bonus for the coming update?

Third, the missing red color in the B in Bur looks really ugly. :p

Fourth, for the (really cool!) animation map I would make the end-to-start transition wait a bit longer so you can get a better view of the latest stage.

All minor nitpicks though, on the whole you're doing great. :thumbsup: ))

sirtommygunn
Dec 31, 2007, 07:31 PM
oh... i didnt even notice the south african proposal of splitting antarctica :blush:

Tasslehoff
Dec 31, 2007, 07:36 PM
Your orders were perfect, just everybody else put in long term plans and such. LightFang went especially overboard, put in several possible long-term plans, and linked to the LightFang Doctrine and the Treaty of Friendship, even though they were unnecessary.

If you sign an agreement to do free trade, I'll update the first post for your additional G. As for the changes in G, I added a small randomness factor to economy. Some people lost 5G, some gained 5G, and most people lost/gained nothing. Adding in the China-SSSR trade now. There is a possibility that I missed a few non-full spendings, but I can't be sure which ones. To avoid similar mistakes in the future, I'd appreciate everybody putting a "save: __G" line somewhere in the orders.

And I'll change the B in Bur eventually :p

Izipo
Dec 31, 2007, 07:43 PM
Great update, nice to have that for the new year.
btw, happy new year everyone.


Second, why are we not trading with each other in Asia? At least China and SSSR should be trading since we signed a public treaty about it. As for China and the UAC, we were just about to but never got that far before the update. If we agree on trade now, will we still get the +10% bonus for the coming update?


I think I might be able to answer that one. Tasslehoff, correct me if I'm wrong.
This is because trade possibilities are calculated right at the beginning of the turn. So on the first turn, noone can trade. On the second, China can trade with the SSSR and UAC, Europe with the UAC...

Fourth, for the (really cool!) animation map I would make the end-to-start transition wait a bit longer so you can get a better view of the latest stage.


That is awesome. Please explain how you did that (via pm) so I can add the final touch to DEII.

All this is OOC of course.
Did I mention that posting while drunk is very hard ? :crazyeye:
Happy new year.

EDIT : now that's a long crosspost.

sirtommygunn
Dec 31, 2007, 07:54 PM
wait howd china get 3 tanks (120 income) on the first turn?

Niklas
Dec 31, 2007, 08:00 PM
(( Gotcha on the trades, that's good because I counted on those extras. ;)

As for gold randomness, I knew there was such a factor, but since the rules say that "a random sum will be added to each nation’s G", I didn't think it was possible to lose G from it. Of course -5 is a random sum, but then I'd argue the formulation in the rules is a bit misleading.

As for long term plans... what? This is diplomacy! Flexibility for the win! :D ))

From: First Chairman Nao Zedong
To: The Caliph in Damascus

Arabian friends, as noted over private channels we are more than willing to trade with you. Please examine and, if found to your liking, sign the treaty attached.

Treaty of Karachi

1. China recognizes the claims of the UAC to Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Afghanistan as well as any territories west of there.
2. The UAC recognizes the claims of China to Kyrgyztan, Tadjikistan, all of India and any territories east of there.
3. China and the UAC agree to open trade.

Signed
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
_______________________(UAC)

(OOC: Kol, I'll check your new treaty when I'm a bit clearer in my head. Merry New Year to you all! [party] )

Niklas
Dec 31, 2007, 08:01 PM
wait howd china get 3 tanks (120 income) on the first turn?
Now that's a very good question. I'm sure you can figure it out if you think hard enough. ;)

thomas.berubeg
Dec 31, 2007, 09:33 PM
To: The Caliphate
From: the SSSR

We propose a treaty for the seperation of eastern asia.
1. To the SSSR will go Kazahkstan and Moscow
2. to the UAC will go Uzbekistan
3. the SSSR will recognize All UAC claims to Muslim Africa
4. The SSSR and UAC will trade at the soonest possible opportunity
5. The UAC and SSSR will sign a non-aggression Pact

Thomas, Premier of the SSSR
________________________(UAC)

LightFang
Dec 31, 2007, 11:34 PM
That was a good update. I didn't even think my orders were that detailed, heh. :p

So, to quell my suspicions about trading:

Trade : Trading is allowed when two countries either share a border, have a mutual ally who specifically allows trade between the two, or have a sea route between Naval Bases.

This, in effect, means that I can't trade with anybody as of right now. Right?

Tasslehoff
Jan 01, 2008, 03:20 AM
Yes, LightFang, you cannot (yet) trade with anybody. Niklas, I edited the rules slightly. It now says added or subtracted. Happy? ;)

Happy New Year all [party]

The Loser
Jan 01, 2008, 04:28 AM
To: The Caliphate
From: the SSSR

We propose a treaty for the seperation of eastern asia.
1. To the SSSR will go Kazahkstan and Moscow
2. to the UAC will go Uzbekistan
3. the SSSR will recognize All UAC claims to Muslim Africa
4. The SSSR and UAC will trade at the soonest possible opportunity
5. The UAC and SSSR will sign a non-aggression Pact

Thomas, Premier of the SSSR
________________________(UAC)

1. Trade between our two countries will occur when possible.
2. The SSSR will get Moscow, but we need Kazachstan.
3. We will not claim anything in Africa.
4. A non-aggression pact is possible after these other points are reached.

Ekolite
Jan 01, 2008, 05:11 AM
Hey Tasslehoff, I had 15G left over from last turn. Can you add it to my budget please?

The Loser
Jan 01, 2008, 08:26 AM
I have no stats or units at the end of the update!

Backwards Logic
Jan 01, 2008, 09:35 AM
To: The Caliphate
From: Europe

Greetings! Since we now share a border, I suggest we open it to allow trade between our two great peoples. What do you say?

Tasslehoff
Jan 01, 2008, 02:20 PM
Territories
The United Arab Caliphate: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 5 Territories

Economy (Spending Limit in One City) [Trading Partners]
The UAC- The Loser: 120G (80G) [None]

Units:
The UAC:
1st Army- 3I @ Egy (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I @ Trk
3rd Army- 3I @ Afg

What's this about no stats or units? :hmm:

Kol.7: Wow, I really did miss a bit on the economy :crazyeye: Mistakes in economy corrected.

@Izipo: if you have an animation program, it should be fairly easy. Otherwise, it depends on the paint/draw/edit tool you use. Anything that uses layers can create animations.

Ekolite
Jan 01, 2008, 02:51 PM
Ok thanks.

Niklas can you sign the treaty of thailand or an ammended version or whatever, you're lucky I'm letting you have it in the first place :p.

@Tasslehoff: Can I move ships through Indonesia?

Niklas
Jan 01, 2008, 02:55 PM
Here is the amended version of the treaty, for your signing.

Treaty of Thailand

This is a treaty between China and Australlia designed to avoid war in Asia.

1. China will not build an Air or Naval base in the region of Thailand. (Tha)
2. Australia will not claim land on mainland Asia.
3. China will not claim the Philippines or Indonesia.
5. The breaking of this treaty by either party will be an act of war.
6. Australia will not move loaded transport ships into the Bay of Bengal, South China Sea or Yellow Sea
7. China will not move loaded transports into the Bay of Bengal, South China Sea or any sea bordering mainland Australia.

First Chairman Nao Zedong
________________ (Australia)

Ekolite
Jan 01, 2008, 03:11 PM
Hmm, ok I'll sign. Thinking of all the little annonomous army people this will save I s'pose, from your side of course.

Treaty of Thailand

This is a treaty between China and Australlia designed to avoid war in Asia.

1. China will not build an Air or Naval base in the region of Thailand. (Tha)
2. Australia will not claim land on mainland Asia.
3. China will not claim the Philippines or Indonesia.
5. The breaking of this treaty by either party will be an act of war.
6. Australia will not move loaded transport ships into the Bay of Bengal, South China Sea or Yellow Sea
7. China will not move loaded transports into the Bay of Bengal, South China Sea or any sea bordering mainland Australia.

First Chairman Nao Zedong
President Kol, Australlia

Tasslehoff
Jan 01, 2008, 03:36 PM
Since Indonesia is an Island territory, ships may move through it as if it were also a sea territory. Battleships, however, may not bombard anything while inside Indonesia, and effectively have no strength unless in combat with other Battleships.

Treaty of Thailand will be on the next update.

Niklas
Jan 01, 2008, 03:52 PM
(( So where can I find the updated economic stats?

EDIT: Never mind, I see you've been updating the latest update, great. :)))

LightFang
Jan 01, 2008, 05:07 PM
I'd like to say that South Africa should have 5G left over from last turn's spending. I didn't even bother looking at the stats, but judging from all the whining about the economy, I figured that I should.

Unless of course the discrepancy is hidden by RANDOM GOLD ACTION EACH TURN OMG

Tasslehoff
Jan 01, 2008, 05:38 PM
Psst, LightFang. Check the stats. You have your 5G left over ;).

And yes, if (when) I make a mistake in the update, I'll edit directly into the update to fix it.

sirtommygunn
Jan 01, 2008, 05:45 PM
im still confused as too how china got 3 tanks...

Niklas
Jan 01, 2008, 05:55 PM
And you'll be confused until you figure it out by your self. It's not that hard. :p

Psst, The Loser, please go sign this treaty (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6312537&postcount=120) so we can trade.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 01, 2008, 07:06 PM
Mexico, wanna trade?

merciary
Jan 01, 2008, 07:36 PM
Sure why not. A little extra money is always good and it'll help bring our people closer.

Tasslehoff
Jan 02, 2008, 07:48 PM
Alright, it's that time again. Order time!

DIPLOMACY PHASE ENDING NOW. DIPLOMACY MAY CONTINUE. Please begin writing and sending in orders, due tomorrow, 1-3, at 6:00 PM GMT-8!

thomas.berubeg
Jan 02, 2008, 07:57 PM
I'll sendem tomorrow

The Loser
Jan 03, 2008, 06:31 AM
To: The Caliphate
From: Europe

Greetings! Since we now share a border, I suggest we open it to allow trade between our two great peoples. What do you say?

We agree to your offer!

Niklas
Jan 03, 2008, 06:37 AM
(( Argh, The Loser, go sign our treaty (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6312537&postcount=120) already! :run:

Does the end of the diplomatic phase mean no more treaties (trade in particular) will be considered for this update? Grr, I need those Arabic trade goods. :mad: ;) ))

Ekolite
Jan 03, 2008, 09:51 AM
Hey Tasslehoff, would you mind putting AM/PM on the order deadlines in the future. I have enough trouble working out what it is in London time as it is lol.

I'm guessing its 6:00 pm GMT-8, to get it to GMT+0 I add 8 hours, yeah? Making it 2:00 AM the following day, my time?

Just checking lol.

The Loser
Jan 03, 2008, 10:12 AM
Treaty of Karachi

1. China recognizes the claims of the UAC to Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Afghanistan as well as any territories west of there.
2. The UAC recognizes the claims of China to Kyrgyztan, Tadjikistan, all of India and any territories east of there.
3. China and the UAC agree to open trade.

Signed
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
Ali Baba (UAC)

Tasslehoff
Jan 03, 2008, 12:35 PM
Alright, I stuck PM there, Kol. In the future, I'll also put the equivalent in GMT if you'd like.

Niklas: Yes, once the diplomatic phase is over, you can't get the trade benefits this turn, but they will be in effect next turn.

Ekolite
Jan 03, 2008, 12:47 PM
Thanks, although I think I have it worked out now. Just as long as theres an AM or PM I'll be fine :p.

Tasslehoff
Jan 03, 2008, 03:23 PM
Ahem. 5 hour warning! still missing orders from Chile, South Africa, and the UAC.

LightFang
Jan 03, 2008, 04:44 PM
I just woke up and I'm proud to say that I will be sending orders at the moment.

Tasslehoff
Jan 03, 2008, 08:06 PM
ORDER PHASE OVER

I'm still missing two order sets! Those two nations receive the penalty black mark thingy unless they appear with a valid excuse. If orders come within the next 24 hours (before I update) early enough to be processed, they will be used, but the mark thing is un-erasable. If not, I'll do some minor NPC movements.

Ekolite
Jan 04, 2008, 04:57 AM
Aww I was looking forward to an update today. Get those orders in people!

Tasslehoff
Jan 05, 2008, 12:49 AM
The World Messenger, Spring 1956
Worldwide Expansion Continues, Spurs Economic Growth

The expansion predicted by our analysts to precede a huge war has continued since our last issue, with the large nations dividing up what seems like the entire world- only a few small areas remain neutral. This arms and land race has also boosted the economies of these nations- there is no doubt that these ten nations will dictate the future of the world- only how the influence will play out remains a mystery.
While the possibility of war between SSSR and Europe continues, each nation appears to be treading carefully, and no provoking movements have occurred. Across the world, it seems the heated diplomacy and negotiations have died down, and most hostilities seem to have ended. But how long will this last?
In other news, Chile has spent many of the last six months in civil unrest, resulting in the lack of newly trained troops.
Lastly, our unfortunately insane Secretary-General of the U.N. has awarded a new set of awards:
:trophy: Prize to LightFang of South Africa for perfect, clear, and in-depth orders.
:trophy2nd: Prizes to Niklas, Backwards Logic, Izipo, and Kol.7 for flawless, clear orders.



Territories
Australia: 1 Capitol, 4 Cities, 7 Territories, 1 SL, 1 NB
SSSR: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 3 Territories
The United Arab Caliphate: 1 Capitol, 4 Cities, 5 Territories, 1 NB
Europe: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 4 Territories, 1 AB
South Africa: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 6 Territories, 1 NB
Chile: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 6 Territories
Mexico: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 5 Territories
Quebec: 1 Capitol, 4 Cities, 7 Territories, 1NB, 1AB
Mali: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 4 Territories, 1NB
China: 1 Capitol, 7 Cities, 7 Territories

Economy (Spending Limit in One City {rounded down to 5G}) [Trading Partners]
Australia- Kol.7: 165G (105G) [None]
SSSR- thomas.berubeg: 198G (130G) [China]
The UAC- The Loser: 175G (115G) [China, Europe]
Europe- Backwards Logic: 163G (105G)
South Africa- LightFang: 180G (110G) [None]
Chile- sirtommygunn: 280G (185G) [None]
Mexico- merciary: 175G (115G) [Quebec]
Quebec- D'Artagnan59: 226G (110G) [Mexico]
Mali- Izipo: 175G (115G) [None]
China- Niklas: 249G (165G) [SSSR, UAC]

[U]Units:
Australia:
1st Army- 6I @ NDe (From Len)
1st Marines- 3I @ SoP (From Len)
2nd Marines- 3I @ Maw (From Vostok)
3rd Marines- 3I @ DMV (Transported from WAu)
1st Transport- 2 Transports @ SeI
1st Fleet- 2BB @ NeI (From WAu)
SSSR:
1st Army- 5I @ Mos (From WSi)
2nd Army- 4I @ Hei (From MnG)
3rd Army- 2I @ Vla
The UAC:
1st Army- 3I @ Egy (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I @ Trk (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 3I @ Afg (Fortifying)
4th Army- 4I @ Pak (From Iran)
1st Armored- 1T @ Iran
Europe:
1st Army- 3I @ BsT (From Pol)
2nd Army- 3I @ Pol (From Ger, merged with 1I built at Pol)
3rd Army- 3I @ Bel (From Pol)
1st Armored- 1T @ Ukr (From Bal)
2nd Armored- Bel (From Pol)
South Africa:
1st Army- 3I Zai (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I Uga (From Tan)
3rd Army- 3I Ken (From Tan)
4th Army- Angola (From Zam)
1st Marines- 3I SeA (on First Transport from SAf)
1st Transport- 1 Tr SeA (From SAf)
1st Fleet- 1BB SwI (From SAf)
Chile:
1st Army- 3I @ Rec (From Bra)
2nd Army- 3I @ Ama (From Bol)
3rd Army- 3I @ BHo (From Rdj)
Mexico:
1st Army- 3I @ Ven (From Col)
2nd Army- 3I @ Nev (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 3I @ Flo (From DSo)
4th Army- 3I @ Clf
5th Army- 3I @ Per (From Col)
6th Army- 3I @ DSo (From Tex)
Quebec:
1st Army- 3I @ BSo (From Alb)
2nd Army- 3I @ Qbc (From Uni)
3rd Army- 3I @ Int (From Mid)
Mali:
1st Army- 3I @ Lib (From Alg)
2nd Army- 3I @ Chad (From Nge)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ NeA
2nd Fleet- 2BB @ EAO
China:
1st Armored- 1T @ Bom (From Del)
2nd Armored- 1T @ Taj (From Kyr)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Vie (From Bur)
4th Armored- 1T @ Clc (From Del)
5th Armored- 1T @ Western China (From Del)
6th Armored- 1T @ Tha (From Lan)
7th Armored- 1T @ IMo (From Lan)

Public Treaties: (Participants)
The Treaty of Friendship (South Africa and Mali)
The Treaty of Asian Peace (SSSR and China)
Treaty of Thailand (China and Australia)
Treaty of Karachi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6320491&postcount=146) (China and the UAC)

Published Proclamations (Author and Country)
The LightFang Doctrine (LightFang of South Africa)

And the Mappe!

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2305/ed3spring1956nf1.gif

DIPLOMACY PHASE STARTING. ENDS JANUARY 7TH, 3:00 PM, GMT-8!

And, to see my awesome animation-map, check post #3!

LightFang
Jan 05, 2008, 02:18 AM
Nice update, Tasslehoff!

PROCLAMATION!!!!111one~

President LightFang of South Africa hereby lays claims to the Northwest Indian Ocean. That is all.

Ekolite
Jan 05, 2008, 03:59 AM
Tasslehoff, I think you've misscounted my G again. Could you check it over for me before I write my orders, I got that sea lane as well remember, I'm not sure if I saved anything last turn but that will be in my last orders, thanks.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 05, 2008, 08:48 AM
PROCLAMATION FROM QUEBEC:

The Northwest Atlantic is hereby Quebecois territory. Mali, if you plan on taking this Sea Lane, I will have some African holdings. Hmm... Mau looks appetizing if you do this. Also, Greenland is hereby Quebecois. Europe, don't get any ideas...

Backwards Logic
Jan 05, 2008, 10:22 AM
To: Quebec
From: The European Prime Minister

Of course you can have Greenland, since you claimed it long ago. Just please, do me a favor and do not build any airbases on the land-mass. Thank you.

Tasslehoff
Jan 05, 2008, 01:19 PM
Kol.7- just re-checked your income- it's correct.

Ekolite
Jan 05, 2008, 01:48 PM
Oh Ok, can I trade with anyone now? Got a sea lane.

Tasslehoff
Jan 05, 2008, 02:04 PM
You can trade with anybody with Naval Base bordering SeI, BoB, SCS, NWi, SIO, ASe, and JSe.

The rules are kind of complicated... but that's it. So the only country that you can trade with right now is the UAC.

Ekolite
Jan 05, 2008, 02:26 PM
Australlia-UAC Trade Agreement

The Loser do you want to trade? Please can you sign this treaty before next turn, thanks.

President Kol.
________________ (UAC)

D'Artagnan59
Jan 05, 2008, 05:01 PM
To Europe:

I will not build Airbases in there, but I will build a naval base bordering the Norwegian Sea so I can trade with you.

To Mexico:

Why are there 3 Infantry in California, Nevada, Deep South, and Florida?

merciary
Jan 05, 2008, 09:26 PM
No reason other than I can no longer expand so I'm beginning to fortify all of my territories. I want at least three in all territories during times of peace, I just ran out of money for the rest of the territories. Do not worry this is not an act of aggression, this is just keeping a military readiness.

The Loser
Jan 06, 2008, 05:18 AM
Australlia-UAC Trade Agreement

The Loser do you want to trade? Please can you sign this treaty before next turn, thanks.

President Kol.
President Loser(UAC)

D'Artagnan59
Jan 06, 2008, 08:37 AM
Cool. Because of this, I'm doing the same thing!

thomas.berubeg
Jan 06, 2008, 10:01 AM
SSSR-UAC trade agreement

Would tthe United Arab Califates like to trade with the SSSR? sign if so.

Thomas.berubeg, Premier of the SSSR
_________________ Caliph of the UAC

The Loser
Jan 06, 2008, 10:07 AM
SSSR-UAC trade agreement

The SSSR-UAC trade agreement!

Thomas.berubeg, Premier of the SSSR
The Loser President of the UAC

thomas.berubeg
Jan 06, 2008, 10:08 AM
Would Uerope like to trade, and maintian our borders to what they are now?

Backwards Logic
Jan 06, 2008, 10:23 AM
I suppose I'll trade with you, and I'm glad you finally have come to your senses about the border dispute.

merciary
Jan 06, 2008, 10:25 AM
Cool. Because of this, I'm doing the same thing!

That's fine with me, I expect everyone will soon.

Ekolite
Jan 06, 2008, 10:27 AM
@Tassleoff: Now I'm trading with UAC i can trae with anyone bordering them as long as i have their consent cant I?

The Loser
Jan 06, 2008, 10:39 AM
To: Mali
From: UAC

Would you please sign our trade-pact?

President of the UAC: The Loser
.............................................

Izipo
Jan 06, 2008, 12:31 PM
To: Mali
From: UAC

Would you please sign our trade-pact?

President of the UAC: The Loser
Diplomatically Elected Ruler for Life (DERL) Izipo of Mali

There is now free trade between our two great nations.

@ S. Africa : I had kind of hoped we would be able to do the same this turn... Next turn, then. You could also trade with the UAC via my territories if you choose to do so.
@ Quebec : You'll have to do better than empty threats to frighten me...

LightFang
Jan 06, 2008, 04:25 PM
I thought I couldn't trade with anyone since I didn't border anybody. Yeah. I'm still really confused as to how trade works.

Tasslehoff
Jan 06, 2008, 08:24 PM
Once the UAC specifically states that you may trade through their territory, you may.

And I've decided against re-updating the update for new trades, it changes economy too much. All trade treaties will give auto-trade next turn. Nobody's benefitted from reverse-trade yet, anyway.

EDIT: LightFang, Izipo was saying he had hoped your territories would meet this turn. It's true, you cannot (yet) trade with anybody.

Ekolite
Jan 07, 2008, 10:37 AM
Hey, the loser, I can trade through your territory can't I?

USSR, Mali, Europe, China: Do you want to trade? (If UAC says it ok of course ;).

Backwards Logic
Jan 07, 2008, 10:40 AM
To: Australia
From: Europe

Greetings!! We would love to trade with you. I just hope our friends in the UAC permit us to the exchange goods.

The Loser
Jan 07, 2008, 11:11 AM
Hey, the loser, I can trade through your territory can't I?

USSR, Mali, Europe, China: Do you want to trade? (If UAC says it ok of course ;).

We will alow trade between Australia and trade-partners!

Niklas
Jan 07, 2008, 02:11 PM
China agrees to trade with Australia.

Izipo
Jan 07, 2008, 04:03 PM
If the UAC will allow my caravans to go through his territories, I would gladly trade with Europe, the SSR and China.

EDIT : Also, Quebec we will trade soon, I'll have a Sea Lane right off your coast. :p

Ekolite
Jan 07, 2008, 04:21 PM
Izipo, forgetting someone? Do you want to trade?

Izipo
Jan 07, 2008, 04:31 PM
Of course I do. I just wasn't aware we'd be able to.

EDIT : See below. Agreed, don't forget to put that in your orders.

Backwards Logic
Jan 07, 2008, 04:51 PM
To: Mali
From: The European Prime Minister

We would love to exchange goods between our people.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 07, 2008, 04:53 PM
The Northeast Atlantic Ocean is CLEARLY QUEBECOIS WATER! The only one who should be competing with me for it is Mexico! Florida and the Caribbean Islands border it, and for me, Quebec, the Union, and Newfoundland are my provinces bordering it. This is a warning: Stay out of my Sea Lane or I will force you out.

So, if they steal what is rightfully ours, I suggest something: Embargo Malinese goods tainted with the theivery of Chilean and Quebecois waters!

I am building a Naval Base in British Columbia, and I am not taking SSSR's Sea Lane because that is Siberian waters! Respect boundaries or I will make you respect them!

Izipo
Jan 07, 2008, 04:58 PM
To : Quebec
From : Mali
Re : Sea Lane
Wait, you own the Atlantic now ? So who's gonna stop me, you and what Navy ?
Are you sure you want to test the Mighty Malinese Navy in Open waters ?

With the push of a button, the DERL of Mali sets all ships in Autofire mode.

thomas.berubeg
Jan 07, 2008, 05:00 PM
The SSSR would like to announce it's support of Mali. no nation has the rights to completely clami an ocean. it should be used for all, for the benefit of the poeple.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 07, 2008, 05:02 PM
I don't own the Atlantic, but I am surely the better navy. STAY AWAY FROM MY PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC! Do you notice my men coming into your land to steal it?

And that is a bunch of hypocritical piece of poo. You're taking all of the Atlantic Ocean as your own. We know there's a theory that your ancestors came here, but that does not mean you can control all Atlantic trade. I'm not saying the Atlantic is mine, just that you can't take my sea lane as much as you can take my territory. How would you like it if I took Mau away from you?

Izipo
Jan 07, 2008, 05:09 PM
Come,
We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

Wait, has this been said before ? :mischief:

thomas.berubeg
Jan 07, 2008, 05:12 PM
China:
who's taking Japan, you or me?

someone needs to take it into our socialistic fold after it's abandoment after the collapse of the Capitalist empires.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 07, 2008, 05:12 PM
Your thievery of the Sea Lane is bullcrap, blasphemy, and madness. But it's not Sparta. Sparta is European territory.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 07, 2008, 05:14 PM
Or we can just keep it capi*gets shot*

Niklas
Jan 07, 2008, 05:27 PM
China:
who's taking Japan, you or me?

someone needs to take it into our socialistic fold after it's abandoment after the collapse of the Capitalist empires.

China is willing to allow the SSSR to lay claim to Japan, for peace and stability and spreading the true communist values.

thomas.berubeg
Jan 07, 2008, 06:01 PM
We thank the Great nation of China

merciary
Jan 07, 2008, 06:06 PM
Mexico is in support Quebec's claim to the sea lane. It is on his borders and is wisest that it belong to him.

SSSR: Your statement makes no sense because if you support Mali then you support the Atlantic being controlled by one nation, but if you go by what you said in then end than you would support Quebec's claim because it would divide the ocean among other nations.

Final Statement: Mexico is willing to assist our neighbor in the ocean. If it goes to a land battle Mexico will not participate. If you say that we don't have a navy just wait. We no longer can expand so we can move funds to pure development.

thomas.berubeg
Jan 07, 2008, 06:29 PM
I support mali's right to have access to the ocean.

i would have supported any nation over another's claiming it own the oceans.

that is merely what i said.

LightFang
Jan 07, 2008, 06:54 PM
South Africa lends its support to our African brethren.

Tasslehoff
Jan 07, 2008, 07:16 PM
Alright, ORDER WRITING TIME!

DIPLOMACY PHASE ENDING, DIPLOMACY MAY CONTINUE

ORDERS DUE WEDNESDAY, 1-9 at 5:00 PM, GMT-8!

Please note: If you wish to trade with anybody, you must have a treaty allowing free trade and signed by all necessary members, or everybody must put the trades in their orders. That means that Australia may not trade through the UAC without a treaty signed by Australia, the UAC, and all the trade members, or specific mention in each of their orders.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 07, 2008, 07:46 PM
Treaty of North America:

We, Quebec and Mexico (refered to as the undersigned), agree on the following.

1. The undersigned will have an alliance and a non-aggression pact.

2. If any nation of the undersigned declares war on the other, then may this treaty be folded.

3. If the claims of the undersigned, land or sea, are molested, then it is taken as a declaration of WAR!!!

Signed:

President D'Artagnan of Quebec
__________________________

merciary
Jan 07, 2008, 09:08 PM
Treaty of North America:

We, Quebec and Mexico (refered to as the undersigned), agree on the following.

1. The undersigned will have an alliance and a non-aggression pact.

2. If any nation of the undersigned declares war on the other, then may this treaty be folded.

3. If the claims of the undersigned, land or sea, are molested, then it is taken as a declaration of WAR!!!

Signed:

President D'Artagnan of Quebec
President Merciary of Mexico

I sign this with a few additions:

1. Chile is free to join this
2. I do not plan on going to war if your land claims go beyond that of those touching borders. I plan on staying defensive for a while and only wish to maintain strong borders
3. I don't plan on joining in any conquest wars you may join unless they directly impact my nation. See above reason.

I hope you find this acceptable.

Ekolite
Jan 08, 2008, 01:13 AM
Treaty of World Trade

1. The UAC will alliw trade between Australlia and her neghbours to commence through their terittory.

2. The nations of China, USSR, UAC, Europe, Mali.

President Kol
_________________ (UAC)
_________________ (China)
_________________ (USSR)
_________________ (Mali)
_________________ (Europe)

Niklas
Jan 08, 2008, 05:30 AM
Treaty of World Trade

1. The UAC will alliw trade between Australlia and her neghbours to commence through their terittory.

2. The nations of China, USSR, UAC, Europe, Mali.

President Kol
_________________ (UAC)
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
_________________ (SSSR)
_________________ (Mali)
_________________ (Europe)

Izipo
Jan 08, 2008, 05:47 AM
Treaty of World Trade

1. The UAC will allow trade between Australlia and her neighbours to commerce through their terittory.

2. The nations of China, USSR, UAC, Europe, Mali, will allow free trade between themselves.

President Kol
_________________ (UAC)
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
_________________ (SSSR)
DERL Izipo (Mali)
_________________ (Europe)


I took the liberty to correct some typos, and rephrase the 2nd point.

thomas.berubeg
Jan 08, 2008, 06:25 AM
Treaty of World Trade

1. The UAC will allow trade between Australlia and her neighbours to commerce through their terittory.

2. The nations of China, USSR, UAC, Europe, Mali, will allow free trade between themselves.

President Kol
_________________ (UAC)
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
Premier Thomas.berubeg (SSSR)
DERL Izipo (Mali)
_________________ (Europe)

D'Artagnan59
Jan 08, 2008, 06:30 AM
I sign this with a few additions:

1. Chile is free to join this
2. I do not plan on going to war if your land claims go beyond that of those touching borders. I plan on staying defensive for a while and only wish to maintain strong borders
3. I don't plan on joining in any conquest wars you may join unless they directly impact my nation. See above reason.

I hope you find this acceptable.

Acceptable with me.

Backwards Logic
Jan 08, 2008, 07:22 AM
Treaty of World Trade

1. The UAC will allow trade between Australlia and her neighbours to commerce through their terittory.

2. The nations of China, USSR, UAC, Europe, Mali, will allow free trade between themselves.

President Kol
_________________ (UAC)
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
Premier Thomas.berubeg (SSSR)
DERL Izipo (Mali)
The European Prime Minister (Europe)

Ekolite
Jan 08, 2008, 09:44 AM
To: Premier Thomas.berubeg of the mighty Soviet Union.
From: Your humble servant, President Kol

Australlia would like to make a claim to the Japanese Isles, if you don't mind, I think it would be fruitless for you to waste money building a naval base and fleet to gain such little territory, why don't I take it? It is far more conveniant for me to travel there, I already have a Naval Base and a small fleet. I was already planning a mission there before you and China went into discussion about it, I hope you will approve, and take my advice to stick to your strengths, and allow me to rule these waves. I am happy to discuss this privately if you have any concerns although you really have no need to be,

Yours,

President Kol,

The Loser
Jan 08, 2008, 10:20 AM
If the UAC will allow my caravans to go through his territories, I would gladly trade with Europe, the SSR and China.

EDIT : Also, Quebec we will trade soon, I'll have a Sea Lane right off your coast. :p

We will allow trade through our territorys!

The Loser
Jan 08, 2008, 10:21 AM
Treaty of World Trade

1. The UAC will alliw trade between Australlia and her neghbours to commence through their terittory.

2. The nations of China, USSR, UAC, Europe, Mali.

President Kol
President Loser (UAC)
First Chairman Nao Zedong (China)
Premier Thomas.berubeg (SSSR)
DERL Izipo (Mali)
The European Prime Minister (Europe)

thomas.berubeg
Jan 08, 2008, 11:34 AM
To Australia.

If China does not object, neither will I

Ekolite
Jan 08, 2008, 01:13 PM
Thankyou, you have our gratitude. China?

Niklas
Jan 08, 2008, 01:48 PM
China has no objections.

Tasslehoff
Jan 08, 2008, 06:03 PM
Ahem, 25 Hour Warning!

I'm still missing three sets of orders.

LightFang
Jan 08, 2008, 06:59 PM
Orders sent.

sirtommygunn
Jan 09, 2008, 03:31 PM
Treaty of North America:

We, Quebec and Mexico (refered to as the undersigned), agree on the following.

1. The undersigned will have an alliance and a non-aggression pact.

2. If any nation of the undersigned declares war on the other, then may this treaty be folded.

3. If the claims of the undersigned, land or sea, are molested, then it is taken as a declaration of WAR!!!

Signed:

President D'Artagnan of Quebec
President merciary of Mexico
President sirtommygunn of Chile

I will sign this treaty if its possible for me to join.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 09, 2008, 03:57 PM
Cool.

Then I change it to Treaty of America.

Niklas
Jan 09, 2008, 04:02 PM
Hmm, I just realized the map is incorrect when compared to my Order of Battle. In particular I should own Vietnam already. Have I received the gold from that province in my economy already? EDIT: A quick count shows it's not listed in my number of owned territories. And I'm too lazy to count my trade benefits to see if it's included in the total or not. :p

Tasslehoff
Jan 09, 2008, 08:38 PM
Hmm.... Niklas is right, I've no idea why I didn't put Vie in. Will change with new updated.

And ORDER WRITING TIME OVER. Update will appear within the next 24 hours.

Leeksoup
Jan 10, 2008, 12:08 AM
The Martians will KILL YOU ALL! Myehehehehe!

D'Artagnan59
Jan 11, 2008, 05:14 AM
Tasslehoff, you're starting to be like Leeky. Saying the update comes the next day, then not doing it.

You've been on here twice or more today in your timezone. Why you didn't update during those times is unknown. All I know is have the update before the weekend, or I'm going to be mad.

Niklas
Jan 11, 2008, 05:36 AM
Where is ze update? :mad:

Izipo
Jan 11, 2008, 07:06 AM
Be cool with him, it is a lot of work to cross reference everything.

Ekolite
Jan 11, 2008, 09:28 AM
Yeah, and I'm sure he has inconveniant RL stuff to do as well :p.

I don't think its necessary for us to have a whole day for sending in orders too. I always send in my orders during the diplomacy phase.

Niklas
Jan 11, 2008, 09:33 AM
I think it's good that he separates the diplomatic and order sending sections.

And I wouldn't be nagging him unless he had said in such bold letters that the update would be up in 24 hours, and then not saying anything when that had passed. Had he just said 'sorry it'll take some time more' I'd be fine with it. But I don't like waiting in the dark. :p

D'Artagnan59
Jan 11, 2008, 02:54 PM
What Niklas said.

Tasslehoff
Jan 11, 2008, 05:03 PM
Apologies. I was working on the update, but my brother had to use the computer for homework- he didn't finish until late last night. I really was working on it. The update will come before I go to bed tonight (I promise)

D'Artagnan59
Jan 11, 2008, 06:13 PM
Oh BALLS.

Tasslehoff
Jan 11, 2008, 08:50 PM
The World Messenger, Fall 1956
War in the Middle East!!!

In a surprise move yesterday, only a few, short weeks after signing a trade agreement with all its neighboring country, the United Arab Caliphate declare war on one of the countries, Europe. Minutes later, a large group of tanks, supported by infantry marched into the Balkans, confident of victory. To their surprise, the Arab troops found themselves walking straight into a huge mass of European tanks.
Perhaps just as surprising is the sudden move of China; almost before the Arab troops struck the Balkans, divisions of Chinese tanks struck Afghanistan, and destroyed three divisions of Infantry in Uzbekistan, to support the UAC's recent annexing of the area. In addition, the Arab city of Pakistan witnessed a colossal army of Chinese Infantry and tanks strike and destroy its defenders with virtually no casualties.
In other news, South African and Australian troops confronted one another in small disputes over the city of BAt and the sea lane in the Northwest Indian, but there has been no fighting.
It appears the wars predicted by our experts have begun.
:trophy: Prize to LightFang of South Africa for perfect, clear, and in-depth orders which go far beyond the requirements.
:trophy: Prizes to Niklas and Backwards Logic for flawless, clear orders that go beyond the requirements to make my job easier.
:trophy2nd: Prizes to Izipo, The Loser and Kol.7 for flawless, clear orders.



Territories
Australia: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 13 Territories, 1 SL, 1 NB
SSSR: 1 Capitol, 7 Cities, 3 Territories, 1 NB
The United Arab Caliphate: 1 Capitol, 3 Cities, 4 Territories, 1 NB
Europe: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 5 Territories, 1 AB
South Africa: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 7 Territories, 2 NB
Chile: 1 Capitol, 5 Cities, 8 Territories, 1 NB
Mexico: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 5 Territories, 2 NB
Quebec: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 7 Territories, 2NB, 1AB, 1 SL
Mali: 1 Capitol, 6 Cities, 7 Territories, 1NB, 1AB, 1 SL
China: 1 Capitol, 7 Cities, 8 Territories

Economy (Spending Limit in One City {rounded down to 5G}) [Trading Partners]
Australia- Kol.7: 342G (215G)
SSSR- thomas.berubeg: 285G (190G) [China, Europe, UAC, Australia, Mali]
The UAC- The Loser: 172G (113G) [Mali, SSSR, Australia]
Europe- Backwards Logic: 181G (120G) [SSSR]
South Africa- LightFang: 240G (150G) [Mali]
Chile- sirtommygunn: 335G (220G) [None]
Mexico- merciary: 215G (140G) [Quebec]
Quebec- D'Artagnan59: 220G (145G) [Mexico]
Mali- Izipo: 271G (180G) [SSSR, Australia, UAC, South Africa]
China- Niklas: 250G (165G) [SSSR]

[U]Units:
Australia:
1st Army- 3I @ Nov (From NDe)
2nd Army- 3I @ San (From NDe, split from 1st army)
3rd Army- 3I @ RoI (From Len)
4th Army- 3I @ MBL (From SoP)
1st Marines- 3I @ BAt (From SoP)
2nd Marines- 3I @ Showa (From Maw)
3rd Marines- 3I @ Casey (From DMV)
4th Marines- 3I @ Ind (From Transport, built in WAu)
1st Transport- 1 Transport @ SeI
2nd Transport- 1 Transport @ NeI (From SeI, split from 1st Transport)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ NwI (From NeI)
2nd Fleet- 2BB @ NeI (From WAu)
SSSR:
1st Army- 5I @ Mos (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 4I @ Hei (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 3I @ Kor (From vlad)
1st Armored- 3T @ WSi (Fortifying, from Factory)
The UAC:
1st Army- 3I @ Egy (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I @ Bal (From Trk): DEAD
3rd Army- 3I @ Uzb (From Afg): DEAD
4th Army- 4I @ Pak (Fortifying): DEAD
5th Army- 3I @ Bal (From Trk): DEAD
6th Army- 3I @ Syr (Fortifying, from Barracks)
1st Armored- 1T @ Iran (Fortifying
2nd Armored- 1T @ Bal (From Trk): DEAD
3rd Armored- 1T @ Bal (From Syria): DEAD
Europe:
1st Army- 3I @ StP (From BSt)
2nd Army- 3I @ Ukr (From Pol)
3rd Army- 3I @ Bel (Fortifying)
1st Armored- 6T @ Bal (Merged from 1-4th Armored, from Ukr, Bel, Ger, and Pol. Lost 5T)
South Africa:
1st Army- 3I Zai (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I Ken (From Uga)
3rd Army- 3I Som (From Ken)
4th Army- 3I Uga (From barracks, fortifying)
4th Army- Angola (From Zam)
1st Marines- 3I APe (from First Transport at SwA)
1st Transport- 1 Tr SwA (From SeA)
1st Fleet- 1BB NwI (From SwI)
2nd Fleet- 5BB SwI (From SAf)
Chile:
1st Army- 3I @ Guy (From Rec)
2nd Army- 3I @ Ama (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 3I @ Sal (From BHo)
4th Army- 9I @ Chi
Mexico:
1st Army- 3I @ Ven (Fortifying)
2nd Army- 3I @ Nev (Fortifying)
3rd Army- 3I @ Flo (Fortifying)
4th Army- 3I @ Clf (Fortifying
5th Army- 3I @ Per (Fortifying)
6th Army- 3I @ DSo (Fortifying)
7th Army- 3I @ Cen (Fortifying)
8th Army- 3I @ Mex (Fortifying)
9th Army- 3I @ Col (Fortifying)
Quebec:
1st Army- 3I @ YTe (From BCo)
2nd Army- Merged into 1st Marines
3rd Army- 3I @ Int (From Mid)
4th Army- 2I @ Uni (Fortifying, from barracks)
5th Army- 2I @ Midwest (From Uni)
1st Marines- 6I @ LSe (In transports, from Qbc, includes 2nd Army)
1st Paratroopers- 3P @ Ala (From Sas)
1st Fleet- 1BB @ NwA
1st Transports- 2 Transports LSe
Mali:
1st Army- 3I @ NSu (From Lib)
2nd Army- 3I @ SSu (From Chad)
1st Armored- 1T @ Con (From Chad)
2nd Armored- 1T @ Mor (From Mali)
1st Fleet- 2BB @ CAO (From NEA)
2nd Fleet- 2BB @ CAO (From EAO)
3rd Fleet- 2BB @ NEA (From Mau)
China:
1st Armored- 1T @ Pak : DEAD
2nd Armored- 1T @ Uzb (From Kyr, Taj, Lost 1T)
3rd Armored- 1T @ Western China
4th Armored- 1T @ Pak
5th Armored- 1T @ Afg
6th Armored- 1T @ Lanzhou
7th Armored- 1T @ Pak
1st Army- 10I @ Pak
2nd Army- 10I @ Pak

Public Treaties: (Participants)
The Treaty of Friendship (South Africa and Mali)
The Treaty of Asian Peace (SSSR and China)
Treaty of Thailand (China and Australia)
Treaty of Karachi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6320491&postcount=146) (China and the UAC)
Australlia-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6331725&postcount=164) (Australia and the UAC)
SSSR-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6332313&postcount=167) (SSSR and the UAC)
Mali-UAC Trade Agreement (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6332744&postcount=173) (Mali and the UAC)
Treaty of America (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6338788&postcount=199) (Quebec, Mexico, and Chile)
Treaty of World Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6340714&postcount=208) (Australia, the UAC, SSSR, China, Mali, and Europe. Note that Europe and China currently do not receive benefits due to war)

Published Proclamations (Author and Country)
The LightFang Doctrine (LightFang of South Africa)
Proclamation of the Northwest Indian (LightFang of South Africa)
Proclamation of the Northwest Atlantic (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6328451&postcount=156) (D'Artagnan59 of Quebec)

And the Mappe!

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5191/fall1956fx0.gif

DIPLOMACY PHASE STARTING. ENDS MONDAY JANUARY 14TH, 7:00 PM, GMT-8!

Spring 1956 update has been updated, animation map has been updated. Please tell me if you notice any mistakes.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 11, 2008, 09:29 PM
So, I got the Sea Lane.

Glad we could come to a conclusion, now let's put this anger behind us for now.

ATTN:

Chile, Mali, Europe: Trade with me? (Europe, build a naval base in Spain!!! Chile, build a Naval Base in Guy or Recife so we can trade!!!)

Backwards Logic
Jan 11, 2008, 09:47 PM
Sure, I'll build it when I can...

D'Artagnan59
Jan 11, 2008, 09:51 PM
You say I have 4 Inf in Union, but there's 2 in Union and 2 in Midwest.

LightFang
Jan 11, 2008, 10:22 PM
Tassle, darlin', I said to unload troops in APe, not BAT.

From: South Africa
To: Australia

Did you miss our proclamation? The Northwest Indian is ours. Evacuate.

From: South Africa
To: Mali

Let us celebrate our new ability to trade!

South Africa declares its intent to join the Treaty of World Trade. We invite all nations who wish to trade with us to do so. We invite all nations to allow us trade through their borders.

Tasslehoff
Jan 11, 2008, 10:39 PM
Mistakes corrected in everything but map. Resultant economy changes have been added.

LightFang- Sorry, I just assumed you'd head for the city, didn't even pay attention. Thilly ol' me.'

EDIT: Note- Quebec, you CAN trade with Chile if you got Mexico's approval to trade through Mexican territory.

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 01:55 AM
Ok Lightfang I've come to a decision. I don't want any hostilities between us to continue. You may keep Ape and the sea lane but I ask you to cease any further expansion into Antartica. Also, why, exactly is there a large african fleet in shared waters off my coast. I hope you agree, also, I might need to discuss something privately with you (msn?). Thanks in advance,

President Kol.

Chile, I don't know why you have chosen to build a naval base in Chi, there is no place for you in antartica, (that reminds me, well done LF Ape was the only pllace I couldnt take this turn.) and there is no unclaimed land, iuf you mean to invade state in now, because I really dont see any other reason for it.

@Tasslehoff: So ape is LFs, BAT is mine yeah?

LightFang
Jan 12, 2008, 02:28 AM
LightFang- Sorry, I just assumed you'd head for the city, didn't even pay attention. Thilly ol' me.'



You didn't read my orders. ;_;

But I have a shiny trophy, so who cares? :p

From: South Africa
To: Australia

The South Pole Agreement stated that it would be first-come, first-serve basis on Antarctica. Since I've taken APe for myself and you've taken the rest of the continent, that is where the borders at Antarctica shall stand.

Furthermore you must have missed the memo - the LightFang Doctrine clearly establishes the Southeast Indian Ocean as South African waters.

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 02:59 AM
A new treaty,

The South Treaty

1. This is an agreement between Australlia and South Africa, hereby refered to as the undersigned, no other countries are involved.

2. The undersigned will agree to trade.

3. The undersigned will respect each other's claims to Antartica, it had been previously agreed that the first nation to each territory would control it.

4. The undersigned will agree to an NAP.

5. The undersigned will not agree to any agreement with a third party that violates The South treaty in any way.

6. S.AFrica will not move loaded transports into any sea bordering Australlian dominions.

President Kol.
______________ (S.AFRICA)

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 03:26 AM
Edit: Nevermind

LightFang
Jan 12, 2008, 04:33 AM
If you get point #6, then we will request point #7:

Australia will not move loaded transports into any waters bordering South African holdings.

Niklas
Jan 12, 2008, 06:33 AM
http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07526/jiangzemin.png

The hostilities initiated by the UAC is clearly a threat to peace and stability in all of Eurasia. Luckily Chinese intelligence was made aware of these actions and could take the necessary steps to oppose this rogue state. We encourage all peace-loving nations in the area to do likewise.

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 06:36 AM
Ammended, hope you will agree.

The South Treaty

1. This is an agreement between Australlia and South Africa, hereby refered to as the undersigned, no other countries are involved.

2. The undersigned will agree to trade.

3. The undersigned will respect each other's claims to Antartica (and sea lanes), it had been previously agreed that the first nation to each territory would control it.

4. The undersigned will agree to an NAP.

5. The undersigned will not agree to any agreement with a third party that violates The South treaty in any way.

6. S.AFrica will not move loaded transports into any sea regions bordering a land province controlled by Australlia.

7. Australlia will not move loaded transports into a sea region bordering a land province controlled by S.Africa.

8. Clauses 6 and 7 apply only to Transports loaded with Infantry or Tanks, empty Transports and Battleships do not apply.

President Kol.
______________ (S.AFRICA)

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 07:44 AM
Dear All,

Would you please allow my trade vehicles to pass through the Soviet controlled provinces of Moscow and Khazakstan, via Armenia. For the purpose of maintaining trade between Australlia and China and Europe. While the war continues, our vehicles cannot safely cross the borders of UAC into either China or Europe.

Also, China, should port Iran fall under your control, please will you continue to allow our trade to pass through the area. (and can you reply to my PM about the transport, I wouldn't have asked but I know you dont want my ships there). However, I request that you do not invade this region if possible.

Mali, I think I can do this although I've never really understood the trade rules :p. Would you allow me to use your port in Mau to trade with Mexico and Quebec.

Quebec and Mexico: Do you want to trade?

Mexico, can I trade with Chile through your land?

If so, Chile do you want to trade?

D'Artagnan59
Jan 12, 2008, 08:15 AM
Quebec declares that it wants to join the Treaty of World Trade.

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 08:22 AM
Errm, as far as I'm aware the treaty of world trade is more acurately descibed as treaty of everyone trades with me. That's all it is, me trading with the world. I did just offer if you wanted to trade with me.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 12, 2008, 08:23 AM
Gladly.

PROCLAMATION OF QUEBECOIS TRADE:

Quebec says yes to all who wish to trade with it.

merciary
Jan 12, 2008, 03:29 PM
Mexico is also open to all trade, just tell me if you want to.

Ekolite
Jan 12, 2008, 03:47 PM
Yeah I will but I need Mali's consent first.

thomas.berubeg
Jan 12, 2008, 05:12 PM
The SSSR Is open to trade with all. We recognize the need of a nation to trade and expand.

Izipo
Jan 12, 2008, 05:52 PM
Mali is always open to trade.
Here, Champagne for everyone.
Now, let's talk about our interest commission... How does 2% sounds ?
More champagne ?
Heres' a pen by the way.

D'Artagnan59
Jan 12, 2008, 06:04 PM
Good to see that we could settle this conflict peacefully, Mali.

Backwards Logic
Jan 12, 2008, 08:39 PM
The Empire of Europe would love to trade with all. However, due to the hostile actions of our neighbor, it is unfortunate that our trade routes have been blocked. We urge all nations to stop trading with this warmonger in protest to his actions. We would also like to thank the great nation of China to coming to our aid in this time of need. I hope before the year is out that Europe can be bringing in rare goods from across the world and shipping out our fine wares to those interested (we make bloody good wine by the way). So, if any nation is willing to facilitate the trade of European goods through their borders to reach all points of the world, we would greatly appreciate it. I thank you in advance.

The European Prime Minister

D'Artagnan59
Jan 12, 2008, 10:10 PM
SSSR, that Naval Base in BCo is so you can trade with Yours Truly.

Also, Quebec claims Hawaii.