View Full Version : Nes Iv – Imperialism (historical Start)
das Jun 24, 2002, 12:37 PM Rules: As usual, like in NES II or III, only you could decide will you play any of customly-choosed countries or some other nation, only please nothing too exotic – I am not a specialist on much of West African or Central American countries of period...
Oh and finally, I want to keep you free from history when it comes to deciding your leaders. Even the originals might change their names and all….
Introduction: I’ve decided to make something new – a historical NES.
The year - 1878. As the world is in Era of Imperialism, the Scramble For Africa, The Balkan Wars, The Rise of America, and Industrialization are the events that took place before and during the period.
NOTE: I haven’t added some African kingdoms that never had any known influence on history itself. I only placed those that did influence history of Age of Imperialism like Zulu and Zanzibar. Oh and finally, for any incorrect borders, my Atlas is to be blamed.
ALLIANCES:
League of Three Emperors: Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary.
Dual Alliance: Germany and Austro-Hungary.
Western Alliance: UK, Spain, France and Italy
WARS:
Second Afghan War: United Kingdom VS. Afghanistan
Vietnamese Colonial Conflict: France VS. Annam, Laos and Tongking
Ispaniolan War: Spain VS. Haiti
COUNTRIES (Only those that are colored on the map. If you want to play some other nation you can always tell me about it and I will add to the map and the list):
COLONIAL EMPIRES:
Civilization Name: United Kingdom (UK)
Ruler: Prime Minister Disraeli (uknemsis)
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Small Army, huge Navy, no Aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Huge
Civilization Name: France
Ruler: ? (Trickey)
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Military Strength: Large Army, medium Navy, no Aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Very Large
Civilization Name: Spain
Ruler: King Alfonso XII (Toasty)
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium army, small navy
Type of Economy: Half Industrial-Half Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
Civilization Name: Portugal
Ruler:
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Early Industrial Age
Military Strength: Small army, small navy
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Small
Civilization Name: Netherlands
Ruler: Fillip Wanderdecken (trader/warrior)
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Small army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Medium
Civilization Name: Russia
Ruler:
Government Type: Absolutist Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Huge (but not very well trained) army, medium navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Half Agrarian – Half Industrial
Annual Income: Large
Civilization Name: United States of America (USA)
Ruler: President Odie MacGarfield (.:KNAS:.)
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Large army, medium navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Huge
Civilization Name: Ottoman Empire
Ruler:
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Early Industrial Age
Military Strength: Huge (mainly untrained and ill-equipped) army, medium navy and no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Small
REGIONAL POWERS:
Civilization Name: Belgium
Ruler: King Max Viktor XII (IceEye)
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Medium
Civilization Name: Germany
Ruler: ? (Dexter)
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Huge (and very well trained and equipped) army, medium navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Large
Civilization Name: Austro-Hungary
Ruler: Franz Josef, Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary (Jbrice)
Government Type: Dual Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Large army, little navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Half Industrial-Half Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
Civilization Name: Italy
Ruler: Victor Emanuel III (das)
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Half Industrial-half Agrarian
Annual Income: Large
Civilization Name: Bulgaria
Ruler:
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium (but largely untrained) army, no navy and no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Small
Civilization Name: Brazil
Ruler:
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Large army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Half Industrial-Half Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
Civilization Name: Boer Republics
Ruler:
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Large army, no navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Small
Civilization Name: Egypt
Ruler:
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
NATIVE COUNTRIES:
Civilization Name: Zululand
Ruler:
Government Type: Despotism
Tech Level: Late Ancient Age
Military Strength: Huge (ill-equipped) army, no navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Hunter-Gatherer
Annual Income: Small
Civilization Name: Ethiopia
Ruler:
Government Type: Despotism
Tech Level: Medium Middle Ages
Military Strength: Large (ill-equipped and untrained) army, no navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Small
Civilization Name: Liberia
Ruler:
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Early Industrial Age
Military Strength: Little (untrained) army, little navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
Civilization: Japanese Empire
Ruler: Emperor Meiji (Dark Wanderer)
Government: Monarchy
Tech Level: Middle Industrial
Military Strength: Medium Army, Large (mostly well-equiped) Navy, no aviation
Economy: Half Industrial-Half Agrarian
Income: Large
Civilization Name: Zanzibar
Ruler:
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Middle Ages
Military Strength: Medium army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Agrarian
Annual Income: Large
das Jun 24, 2002, 12:40 PM TIMELINE:
1878 - Congress of Berlin begisn to discuss the situation in Balkans and San Stefano Treaty, which created Greater Bulgaria. British move to defensive in Afghan War and retreat to the border and deploy new machien guns. British colonies begin to expand everywhere. New defensive lines are made on Canad-USA borders from both sides. Spanish invade and overrun Haiti. Americans protest against Spanish "aggression". France proclaims itself a new trade center of the world. Japan and USA ally, on conditions on joint embargo on Japanese.
1879 - ?
uknemesis Jun 24, 2002, 12:46 PM I'll be Prime Minister Disraeli of the British.
Nemesis
das Jun 24, 2002, 12:46 PM To: His Majesty Viktor Emannuel III.
From: Prime Minister Lazianni.
"You Majesty, I am afraid of French. We should quickly take the needed Measures. I suggest that we send out an expedition of colonists to establish several colonies in West Africa. I also think that if TUrkey gets bogged down somewhere, we will immidiatelly proclaim that Turks massacred CHristians with no reason and invade to Lybia. THey are an easy prey, and even as I know that it's coward's behavior, that's the only chance for Italy to join the Big Game in Africa.
Best wishes, Lazziani."
uknemesis Jun 24, 2002, 12:56 PM All British colonies are ordered to begin to expand.
The British retreat from Afghanistan, and instead take up defensive positions with their murderous machine guns, which were too big to take into Afghanistan with them, but are perfect for defence(machine or gatling guns had just been introduced, or am I wrong?).
New defensive positions are dug in Canada.
TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF ITALY
We seem to have a mutual interest in strangling France, and suggest we form an alliance.
Also, I will support your movements in Africa, just don't threaten the Suez Canal, which is owned by the British(I know we definetly bought it and held onto it, Disraeli himself did it!).
I wish you well.
Disraeli
das Jun 24, 2002, 01:04 PM TO PRIME MINISTER DISRAELI: We do not itnend to itnerfere with your plans. I suggest that we hsould divide Africa into our zones of interest. I also propose to create a Mutual Protection Pact.
uknemesis Jun 24, 2002, 01:06 PM I agree to the MPP.
I would like to see this "zones of interest" map.
Disraeli
Dexter Jun 24, 2002, 01:25 PM I wouldn't mind joining as Germany if that's all right?
Thanks
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 02:07 PM I'll lead Spain as King Alfonso XII!
Civilization Name: Spain
Ruler: King Alfonso XII (Toasty)
Government Type: Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium army, small navy
Type of Economy: Half Industrial-Half Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
Seeing these inept pigs in South America running around like Chickens with their heads cut off, Spain decides to reclaim her rightful lands on the island of Hispaniola by annexing Haiti. The Spanish Caribbean fleet, based at Havana, will lead an amphibious landing at Port-au-Prince. The marines and navy have been ordered that under no circumstances are they to shoot, unless they are shot at. Peacible surrender will spare many Haitians.
The Spanish fleet will begin massive expansion once the Royal Barcelona Naval Facility, RBNF, is completed, due in 4 years. All of the ships will be coal-powered and will have wooden decks for cheaper construction (this will make them somewhat inferior as the Spanish navy of the era was). Spain expects most of the ships to be completed within 2 years after the RBNF, which will give her a medium navy.
Also, the Spanish garisson in Cuba should be increased to quell Civil Unrest. Whatever demands the petty natives should make on the Spanish government will be rejected. Cuba remains the pride of the Spanish colonial empire: we will destroy it before we leave it.
Trickey Jun 24, 2002, 02:11 PM ill take france
Trickey Jun 24, 2002, 02:15 PM To Prime Minister Disraeli.
I propose that we put our past differences behinde us and aid each other in the respective conflics that we are fighting now.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 05:06 PM Ill take America as President Odie MacGarfield
Civilization Name: United States of America (USA)
Ruler: President Odie MacGarfield
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Large army, medium navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Huge
The shipyards in Norfolk, Baltimore, and New York will start building modern plate armored warships to increase the US Navys size from medium to large. The ships should be finished in 3 years unless delayed by unforseen events. Due to tension in the Carribean, all hispanic employees working at the shipyards have been relocated. Security have been dramatially increased at shipyards along the eastern seaboard and the coast of the gulf of mexico.
To: Prime Minister Disraeli of England
America see the need for two large peaceful empires like ours to fend themself from barbarians. Therefore we suggest a Military Alliance so we can prosper together. In the meantime we will continue to fortify the border between Alaska-Canada and USA-Canada hoping that you will accept our proposal.
To:King Alfonso XII of Spain
Your continued agression in the Carribean can not be tolerated by the free citizens of America. We hereby demand that any and all Spanish troops be moved out of Haiti or risk a war with the industrial might that is America. Ships will be sent to safeguard Haiti from your forces, they will open fire if necessary. We will also move forces to Florida, and other southern states.
OOC: can someone post the army sizes, and is trade allowed? and how long is a year?
edit: idiotic spelling errors
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 05:34 PM To: American President Odie MacGarfield
Sir, do not presume to know so much about me as to believe you can threaten my country with your petty hypocrisies. You bufoons over on the other side of the Atlantic can point fingers and scream bloody murder at the Europeans, but when it comes to South and Central America your intervensionism means squat.
Do you know what it is like in Haiti? Haiti is a stagnant cesspool of corruption and war. Since the French Revolution, the country has been in a continual state of instability and war, so bad to the point the island was split in two. Spain seeks to restore order to her former colony and wealth to both it and its rightful motherland in Iberia.
Your disgusting racism and prejudice against the Hispanic workers of America proves only further your determined imperialism. The claim that America makes against Spain is only the continuation of thus, and we will not accept pushiness by racism-pushing, wife-beating degenerate KKK pigs.
Therefore, not only is the Spanish intervention and annexation justified, but it is also favorable to the citizens of Haiti and the Dominican Republic! Your pathetic, hypocritical attempt at preventing this seeks naught but for the U.S. to assume her bloodthirst for expansion. Stay quiet, boy: it may yet do you good.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 06:05 PM To: "King" Alfonso XII of Spain
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the United States of America
If the Haitian people fare as bad as you say, it is better for a local power to establish contol over it than for a European colonial power to meddle in North American business.
And as to your remark about "racism-pushing, wife-beating degenerate KKK pigs" we remind the Spanish that most of the slaves in the Carribean were brought there by Spain!
I wish to remind you that our Navy is larger than yours. Our Army is larger than yours. And that we have far more ships and soldiers stationed in that area than you do. I will allow you one more chance to back down from you outrageous statements about Haiti and other Carribean island Nations. Haiti will be far better of under the Democratic flag of the United States then under the dictatorial rule of Spain.
OOC: ya gotta admit that the banning of hispanic workers was a nice little move :satan: lol
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 06:05 PM To: Monsieur le President de France
Good sir,
Spain extends a warm greeting and a helping hand to our fellow Western Europeans. Recently, Spain has developed interests in expanding in regions you have colonies--notably, the Caribbean (French Guyana), and Southeast Asia (Cambodia). I see no reason why our nations should not cooperate in these theatres.
Therefore, I would like to suggest we work together in the destruction of the primitive tribes of Indochina and in the event of hostilities with America commit our forces to liberate such places as Louisiana and Florida. While this is merely a worst-case scenario, war does loom on the horizon of Havana, and we must be prepared to do battle with the racist and prejudiced forces of the United States.
While Spain does serve interest in colonial matters, we stand at no point in a general European war: the aquisition of Gibraltar and possibly Portugal stand as our lone interests in these matters, and minor ones at that. Thus, we would like all conflict with our brethren to be avoided; after all, the world is wide--why not look elsewhere?
Cooperation is essential to putting down such threats to our prowess as those that have arisen in far-off lands. Let the friendship and work begin.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 06:15 PM To: Prime Minister Disraeli of England
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
As war is coming closer on the Carribean waters, and the Spanish have expressed agression towards British Gibraltar, we cannot stress the importance enough that we ally together so we both can be able to remove valuable forces from the Canada-U.S.A border and relocate them were they would serve a greater purpose.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 06:22 PM To: Trickey of France
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
I would like to remind the French that ever since the American revolution, our two nations have been close friends. Do not let your neighbor ruin our relations over some petty squabbeling over some godforsaken island in the Carribean.
God Speed.
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 06:37 PM To: President Odie MacGarfield of America
Appearantly you don't know much about your own history. The slave trade ended many decades ago, and while Spain may have participated to the slave trade when it was commonplace, we have since abolished it--you, as one of the last few nations to rid yourselves of slavery, clung to it until 1865. Now you have white men running around in white hoods "protecting Western civilization" because of it. I can hardly see how in any aspect Spain could be worse than THAT.
Hah! "I would like to remind the French that ever since the American revolution, our two nations have been close friends." What a load of poppycock. French merchant ships were mercilessly fired upon and sunk, without warning, by American naval vessels. Why was this? Once the Republic had been established, you wanted your Bourbon buds back. Not to mention the two Napoleon's. The Third Republic stands with no friendship to America, only old hostilities, as you have so conviently been able to ignore.
I fail to understand your statement--Haiti would fare better, as a nation with no relation to the English breakaways in Washington, who most don't speak a word of English, than to their former leaders in Castille? Haiti would be reduced to a degenerate territorial status and be granted no rights as to independence or voting as are Arizona, New Mexico, Kansas, South Dakota, etc.
MacGarfield, the truth is that you have no actual reason to object to a PEACEFUL aquisition of Haiti by the Spanish Kingdom except as to oppose Spain herself. Little more than an unjustified personal grudge, I see it. Why in god's name would you oppose something to bring an end to war, suffering, corruption, and poverty in an area that is closely related to us? They are even the same race, as opposed to you, a nation of pure white supremacists.
Leave Spain to tend to her matters as she pleases. You have no legitimate claim to the prevention of the annexation of Haiti. Please explain to my WHY we should not be able to do so much good to such an underpreviledged people before you make any rash decisions such as war.
Trickey Jun 24, 2002, 06:40 PM To Knas of America:
I have no intention of letting anyone ruin our great friendship. I feel that, in order for my nation to prosper, we must not have to worry over if we can defend ourselves. I feel we should only need to think about making this world a peaceful, and prosperous (sp?) place.
To the entire world:
I would like France to now be know as the trading center of the world. We open our doors to all mercenaries and merchants from for away lands to trade.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 06:50 PM To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
How would Spain like it if i were to occupy Portugal in an effort to modernize thir economy? Not at all i presume. And tell me just how the natives of Haiti are related to the Hispanics. If America was to seize Tahiti, it would become an independent territory. And if the people of Haiti choose so they will be accepted as a 50th state with all the benefits and obligations that come with it. Wether or not the are closely related to us doesnt matter. What matters is that thay are geographicaly close to us, and they would thrive under a free democratic flag. You know it, I know it.
And if anyone brings war to the Carribean it will be you
Dark Wanderer Jun 24, 2002, 06:55 PM Civilization: Japanese Empire
Ruler: Emperor Meiji
Government: Monarchy
Tech Level: Early - Middle Industrial
Military Strength: Large Army, Large (mostly well-equiped) Navy, no AF
Economy: Moderatly Industrial
Income: Very Large
To: President Odie MacGarfield of the United States of America
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
Dear Odie MacGarfield,
I, Emperor of Japan, would like to request a trade deal with the American people to strengthen our bond and to strengthen our economy. We are in need of great help with our revolution and changing economic system. The people of Japan greatly admire the U.S. economic system and would greatly appreciate your help to Japanese Peoples.
Sincerely,
Emperor Meiji
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 07:01 PM To: President Odie MacGarfied of America
Geography matters less than culture and language. It's completely inappropriate for someone with such staggeringly different traditions, no matter how close they are geographically, to rule an underprivelidged people.
Spain already controls Cuba and Puerto Rico. The Caribbean Sea is a safe distance, as opposed to right next door in Portugal, and obvioulsy Spain has other obligations than to stir up hostilities with you.
You have said, you have more ships, more troops, more money, etc.--Haiti is going to fare far better under Spanish rule, with similar traditions and language, and having ruled the island for more than a century, as opposed to some new and foreign power that has proven its society has troubles with racial equality.
Haiti and Hispanola being controlled by Spain will hurt no more to you than a portion of North Africa being controlled by America would to us. See the reason in this operation, no one will be killed, no one will be hurt, there will be no subjugation of minorities, and it is in the best interests of both Spain and the Haitians.
War does us very little good, Mr. President. Prove to me you are not interested in it.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 07:01 PM To: Shogun of the Japaneese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
We would gladly trade with our Japaneese brethren to help further our friendship. We do however have a requests that we wish for you to comply with: Do not trade with the Spanish untill matters of the Carribean have been solved. And if America was to invade the Spanish held Phillipenes (sp?) that you will assist.
We hereby offer Japan a MPP
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 07:07 PM King Alfonso XII of Spain
To quote you: Geography matters less than culture and language. It's completely inappropriate for someone with such staggeringly different traditions, no matter how close they are geographically, to rule an underprivelidged people.
You are clearly stating that you are taking theese islands as a way to enlargen your empire. If the U.S.A was to take those islands, we would guide them, not rule them. If Spain is as interested in peace as they claim, perhaps they would agree to a splitting of the island i two, and then after 10 years we would see wich side of the island is richer...... or are you just full of it?
Dark Wanderer Jun 24, 2002, 07:11 PM To: President MacGarfield
From: Shogun of Japan
We gladly accept your offer with open arms:). And if you are to take the phillipenes we will help you with one request that does not have to be fulfilled: Is it posible that we may get 25% of the western-most land? We will be in deepest gratitude with you and will help with any other upcoming war that the American people have on their hands.
We hereby accept America's MPP and offer 25% of the West Phillipenes
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 07:12 PM Dark Wanderer,
I looked in my encyclopedia and the historic ruler of Japan was that of the Meiji dynasty, and the Shogunate was expelled in 1867, so an appropriate name would be Emperor Meiji, or something to that effect (it didn't actually mention the emperor's name).
To: Shogun _____ of Japan
We in Spain are interested in colonial expansion in far East Asia. We are well aware of your nations raw-materials defecit and would be willing to trade you some Spanish Iron ore and Steel. We also have a fair amount of coal which would help you to build a powerful, modern navy.
We hope that you will reject the American MPP as it serves no purpose as to further America's expansion, which ultimately threatens the strength of already well-established powers. We would be willing to help you in China, should you feel it necessitated, and other theatres in Asia, so long as it did not force Spain to come to blows with her European brethren.
Accept Spain's friendly hand so that we may cooperate and bring about prosperity and expansion of our enlightened nations.
jbrice78 Jun 24, 2002, 07:13 PM I will play Austro-Hungary
Civilization Name: Austro-Hungary
Ruler:Franz Josef, Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary
Government Type: Dual Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Medium army, little navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Half Industrial-Half Agrarian
Annual Income: Medium
http://www.worldwar1.com/foto/fww0101.jpg
On order of his majesty the Great Emperor of Austria. The immediate conscript of all able bodied men will be emplemented. This implemetation is perjected to increase our standing ground force from Medium to Large.
.:KNAS:. Jun 24, 2002, 07:17 PM To: Shogun of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
We in America hope that war will not emerge between Us and Spain. But if it did, we would gladly give you the northern most part of the phillipenes. If you require help in China we will provide it. If you want iron ore, coal and steel, we will trade you it. I do encourage you to accept Spains friendly hand, but to hold off any trades with them untill the Carribean issue has been solved. Untill then we shall help modernize your nation.
jbrice78 Jun 24, 2002, 07:42 PM http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/bin03/imag0263.jpg
To All of Europe
The Austra-Hungary Empire feels it is in there best interest to annex the territorities of the balkans. With the expansion of all other european nations in foreign lands. We feel its our right to seize and secure all unoccupied territorities bordering our nation. It is the only way our nation can expected to keep up with its neighbors, in spreading their values and order to the backward lawless areas. If any nation has any reason to object to our annex of these territorites. Let them now present their case. Before our forces are fully mobilized and marching all the way to the Bulgarian border.
Dark Wanderer Jun 24, 2002, 08:19 PM To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: Emperor Meiji of Japan
We are sorry but we will hold off on your offer do to the lack of coal and steel in the first place to build fast enough ships to sail to your glorius empire in Europe. Also if we did we estimate a great cost of slow and wasted incomes when the USA is next door. My analysts estimate half the time to sail to America and more profits. Also because of the shorter journey we will loose less ships en route.
But we Gladly accept your help in China. We are preparing a massive invasion and will need your help with it. We offer the western-most part of the country in return for your help. Also be warned that American troops will also be helping us. I your troops and their troops get into a fight we will be forced to escort your men under heavy cover to your land in the west. Once we have resources enough to trade over the 30,000 kilometer route we will employ it immediatly.
To: President MacGarfield
Dear Mister President,
We gladly accept your Iron ore, Coal, and Steel to trade to us. We will accept certain steel metals until we can make them ourselves; to minimize unemployment. We will also accept your help with China. But alert your admirals and commanders that Spain is also helping us in the conflict. If your troops start fighting with theirs, we will be forced to escort you and Spain fromn China under heavy cover. No hard feelings, just proceedures.
Thanks for the info toasty :D
Toasty Jun 24, 2002, 08:44 PM To: Emperor Meiji of Japan
If transportation is that much of a problem, I would be willing to send ships to Manila bay from Spain if you will pick up the materials there.
Dark Wanderer Jun 24, 2002, 09:00 PM To: King Alfonso XII
Well then i will gladly acceot the trade deal. but limited because of american imports. i will limit theirs too.
To: President MacGarfield
I will have to limit your imports because of spanish material also being imported. sorry for this but we want to maximize relations to their fullest with you and spain
trader/warrior Jun 25, 2002, 03:47 AM i`ll be king Fillip Wanderdecken of the netherlands.my fist orders is:create colonies in venezuela.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 05:33 AM OOC: Japan, I suggest either you have a smaller army or a smaller navy, cause if your income is only large then you wouldn't be able to have armed forces which add up to more than the UK's, which has huge income.
What I mean is you have a navy the same size as us, yet you have an army that is larger! Surely if your income is less, then the best you could hope for is to equal Britain? I suggest a one level decrease in one of the fields.
Sorry to sound petty, but just trying to help make the game even!
Nemesis
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 05:46 AM ooc: uknemesis is prolly right..... or maybe the navy could be ill equipped?
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 06:45 AM Breaking news: Californian shipyards have begun the construction of several warships. We now expect that the US Navy should be come large in only two years now, unless delayed.
And as a response for the increased hostilities in the Carribean, the American Navy has been put on full alert. Local militias have been started by worried Southerners as a defensive precaution.
In the Pacific, Military vessels have been seen moving out of the San Francisco harbor. What their mission is, is unclear, but they were accompanied of what could be either troop transports or tradeing vessels
To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
As you still havent responded to our latest message, is the U.S supposed to asume that the time for peaceful negotiations is over? I hope not and my armed forces will wait a while longer for the order to attack, but beware they all have itchy trigger fingers.
To: Emperor Meijin of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
If war comes to the Pacific, i hope that You will make the right decisions as to who you will support. The U.S has already promised to help modernize the Japanese society and its armed forces, and trade them anything they need. If war comes i hope that you will stand firmly by your MPP with America.
To: Franz Josef, Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary
From: President Odie MacGarfiel of the U.S.A
The United States of America feels that Europes business is Europes business and we will not interfere with your war in any way. We do hope that you will trade with the U.S and we can help modernize your economy if you would wish for that.
To: Prime Minister Disraeli of England
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
As war is coming closer on the Carribean waters, and the Spanish have expressed agression towards British Gibraltar, we cannot stress the importance enough that we ally together so we both can be able to remove valuable forces from the Canada-U.S.A border and relocate them were they would serve a greater purpose. I believe that a MPP would serve our two nations greatly.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 07:00 AM "Sir! The French seem to be starting a free for all trade to try and rival ours!" the Foreign Secretary cried.
"Don't worry, remember that the British Empire is only allowed to trade with Britain! It means that they get good money for their goods, we get the raw materials we need, and more that we can sell at a higher price to others! France can never take us on, they don't have enough power in the world."
"Sir, what about the Spain/USA problem?"
"Tell the Americans that we shall sign a non-aggression pact with them, but not a mutual protection pact as we don't want to end up in a war with Spain."
"And Spain sir?"
"Tell Spain they touch Gibraltar and they will feel the full might of the British Empire. Now tell them to give up on the Rock, cause they aren't getting it back, ever."
"Who do we think Haiti should go to?"
"Depends. If there really is more Spanish ex-patriots there, then Spain of course. Otherwise, I suggest it be allowed to fend for itself, or neutral Britain should bring it into our democratic empire." Disraeli smiled. He loved the British Empire, and would do anything to guarantee its place as the foremost power in the world.
"Finally, it seems the Afghan war is nearly over, the Afghans have reclaimed their territory that we abandoned, and seem to have accepted the gift of gold we left to stop them attacking our fortified positions."
"They'll get massacred trying to attack those anyway." Disraeli laughed.
"Finally sir, the South African problem. It seems the natives there are getting restless again."
"Impose martial law should it become too bad, and hunt out the leaders. Also begin to increase the British army to medium, and make sure you keep the Royal Navy larger than any other known to mankind!"
IceEye Jun 25, 2002, 07:13 AM EDIT: SORRY DIDN´T SEE SECOND PAGE I AM NOT HOLLAND /EDIT
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 07:15 AM uhm i thought warrior/trader already took the netherlands:confused:?
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 07:27 AM To: Trickey of France
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
we would very much like to trade with the french, but tell me first what you have to offer me
IceEye Jun 25, 2002, 07:33 AM Instead I am BELGIUM!! WOHOOOOO!!!
Civilization Name: Belgium
Ruler: King Max Viktor XII (IceEye)
Government Type: Monarchy(das wrote republic but I changed that)
Tech Level: Late Industrial Age
Military Strength: Small army, small navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: Medium
King Max Viktor XII orders the constructing of new ships increasing fleet size to a medium navy. Belgish(??) troops and settlers land in Africa and annexes all of Kongo creating Belgish Kongo(historical correct btw).
I have marked Belgish Kongo in black. The black in the pacific are future plans nothing else.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 07:36 AM ooc: its belgian IIRC :)
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 07:53 AM Wait Ice-Eye, you can't claim land that quickly!
You'll have to slowly expand into it like the rest of us!
Nemesis
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 08:05 AM Japanese Forces have begun the invasion of korea and northern china. My researchers have found iron and coal deposits in that region. Japan is also constructing New Coal powered warships from the steel and coal from Spain and America. The ships will be sent to Phillipenes and we will also invade Okinawa in the south china sea finding strategic areas for strongholds.
Troop orders: 30% invade China, 20% invade Korea, 40% Defend Homeland, 10% invade Okinawa
Naval Orders: 20% bombard Chinese coast, 20% bombard Korean coast, 10% support troops at Okinawa, 30% defend Homeland, 20% defend trade route with america
To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
Because of our recent discovery of iron ore and coal in northern china we will no longer be needing your imports. Also if you were to attack america we would invade the Phillipenes and other Spanish territories in the Pacific.
Good Day,
Emperor Meiji
To: President MacGarfield
Dear Mister MacGarfield,
We would like to take a loan from you to increase the size of our Army incase of invasion from the Phillipenes. This would also help because we will be able to help out incase you need help. We also ask this to bring our two nations together. Doing this we will have to limit imports of coal steel and iron ore because we have found such items in northern china and korea. Please do not be disturbed by this because we used your help to find these resources. I would like to ask to import your top-class guns from the USA. we will send a shipment of 2,000 emeralds to show our gratitude.
Your friendly neighbor,
Meiji
trader/warrior Jun 25, 2002, 08:05 AM troop orders:
Army:30%defend colonies in indonesia,20% defend the new colonies in venezuela,50%defend homeland.
Navy:40% patrol trading routes,15%transport colonists to venezuela,45%blokade india
we have begun building up our navy,we expect our navy to become medium in 1 year.
to:britain
from:netherlands
we claim the terretory of pakistan or we will blokade india
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 08:15 AM America, I warn against helping Japan, as they threaten British control of the seas.
If you send them aid to increase their already large enough for a peaceful nation's armed forces(unless they plan on war!), Britain may be forced to support Spain in her Caribbean exploits.
Disraeli
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 08:15 AM To: Emperor Meijin of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
As the congress forbids me to send you our most modern guns, we will however gladly send you our obsolete guns. They are not as old as it may seem, and still packs quite a punch. We will also help you start your own arms-industry so you can produce guns on you own. Also we will send you 10.000 of our most moderns Winchester repeating rifles. If Japan is interested they may burchase up tp 50.000 more of those rifles. America would apreciate it if Japan could lease some land on the south end of Kyushu so we can build a trade post/naval base there. We would also like to export redwood to the Japanese Empire of wich they can build ships of.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 08:22 AM sorry, double post, but since i made it might aswell make the best out of it
Troop orders:
Army:20% guard the border against Canada
35% stationed in Florida and Louisiana
20% in transports enreute to Japan
10% guard the East coast
10%guard the West coast
5% guarding the border with Mexico
Navy: 30% enreute to Japan escorting trading vessels and troop transports
5% in defensive positions around Haiti
20% patrolling the East coast
10% patrolling the West coast
25% patrolling just north of Cuba
10% protecting American shipping lanes worldwide
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 08:22 AM To: Prime Minister Disraeli of the British Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
Japan is not a threat toward British interests, Japan is a friend of the U.S.A and therefore a friend of the British Empire. And do not presume you can threaten us in our conflict with Spain as we no longer are a part of the British Empire. I wish for nothing more then peace with the British Empire, but we will continue to support the Japanese. If Britain would like us to cease supporting the Japanese, we would then demand assistance in any war against the Spanish.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 08:27 AM TO THE WORLD
The first nation to increase their navy's size to huge will be considered an enemy of Britain, as it threaten's British security since we don't have that much of an army to defend our homeland.
TO AMERICA
So long as your help isn't used to make the Japanese navy huge, we will leave this matter alone.
But I warn you, the first time either you or Japan makes such a move, the Royal Navy will act.
Disraeli
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 08:30 AM OOC i mean going from small to medium right now.... And wasnt the Opium war around this time?
Back to game:
To: Prime Minister Disraeli of the United Kingdom
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
Please do not be insulted by our expansion. We are expanding like you have but in different parts of the world. We would like to offer you 50 of our best emeralds in exchange for a MPP with us. We deeply apologize if we insulted you by our expansion.
To: President MacGarfield of the United States of America
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
we will accept 10,000 winchester rifles and will buy the other 50,000 of them. We will also trade 100 emeralds for 2,000 logs of redwood a month. We will also gladly lease land on the south end of Kyushu for the trade post/naval base to be built there. that will help the exports and imports be transported with steam engines instead of sailing vessels. we will pay for the land with 25 perfect emeralds, because we know how valuble they are. we are making alot of money from this emerald mine we found. our income has gone up tramendisly from this discovery. Thank you again for your support. May the Spirits protect you.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 08:35 AM Originally posted by trader/warrior
to:britain
from:netherlands
we claim the terretory of pakistan or we will blokade india
HA!
Such a puny country, such haughty words!
Your navy isn't capable of blockading a pond, let alone India!
I suggest you scurry back to your hole before the might of the Royal Navy comes to annihilate you!
You forget, the Royal Navy is large enough to cut off all contacts between you and your colonies. You would be wise to forget your claims and instead hold onto your colonies, or you may lose contact with them, making them easy pickings for everyone else.
Now, I suggest you try to threaten other nations, and instead beg the mighty Empire for friendship, for Britain is not scared of such tiny threats!
Disraeli
PS: Any other nations try to support the Netherlands, and Britain will activate her MPP with Italy and others.
[OOC- Sorry, I hate being so cocky, but I have to put smaller nations in their place! :p ]
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 08:35 AM New York Times: as war looms on the horizon, President MacGarfield as ordered to call in all reservists, thus increasing the army size to huge. However, Equippin and training these troops with the new Winchester Repeating rifle is expected to take well over 2 years. Priority has been put on making the U.S Navy larger
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 08:41 AM TO JAPAN
I am sorry, but Mr. Disraeli was quite drunk when he made his angry verbal attack on Japan and America, and has tried to apolgise for it.
But now I will overrule him to save him further embarrassment.
Britain will accept a MPP with Japan, so that if one nation is attacked, the other will help. But we will not do so in the event that the person being attacked started the war, or was forced into it by another MPP.
Agreeable terms? I'm sure, my Albert taught me a lot about diplomacy.
Now, I do warn all nations against trying to threaten Britain, especially our friends the Netherlands. For it would be frightfully unfortunate should we be forced to raise arms against one's friends.
Good day to you all.
Victoria Regina
Queen of Britain and her Empire, and Empress of India
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 08:41 AM To: Prime Minister Disraeli of the British Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
We hereby announce to you that we are planning to increase our Navys size to huge in the coming years. However we will be true to our Non Agression Pact and not use them against British Interests. I do hope we will have continued peaceful relations with the British.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 08:47 AM TO AMERICA
I am glad to see our friend is increasing one's naval size, but I do implore you to make sure it doesn't become as large as the British, as Mr. Disraeli feels strongly about such matters.
I hope you will stop at large, for I would hate to see people from the same kin go to war.
I have given Mr. Disraeli a mild rebuke, and it should stop his warlike ways.
Queen Victoria
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 08:51 AM TO AMERICA
Seeing as Her Majesty hates war so much, I am unhappy at your decision to make America's navy huge.
I will not go to war over Haiti, and I will support neither side in the matter.
But I will sign a MPP with both America and Spain, but vow to stay neutral in a war between you.
Disraeli
Finally, Britain slows down increasing the size of her army, and instead concentrates on making her navy larger(OOC: Das, can we have a larger size? Cause Britain always concentrates on keeping her navy larger than others!).
Britain still increases the size of local militias however to improve the defence of the Empire(nearly half of the Empire Army wasn't actually British historically, but drawn from the Empire itself), which aren't counted in the size of the British Army.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 08:53 AM ooc: there should be an Imperial size in both army and navy, this IS the imperial age ya know
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 09:11 AM U.S Army News: The new naval base currently under construction in Japan i expected to be finished in 3 years. The base will have room for over 70 ships in port at once, thus making it one of the worlds largest. Pirates in the Pacific are given this one last chance to surrender their ships to the U.S and return all stolen goods they have left. If they will not comply with this, the Navy will seek out every last on of the pirates hideouts and destroy it with extreme predjudice.
IceEye Jun 25, 2002, 09:21 AM ooc: ok if I cannot settle that land that quickly I am going to issue a warning, anyone who settles that territory shall feel belgian wrath. And I still think I can take that territory because: I am not building all over that territory, I am using the native africans as slaves(almost) like Belgium really did! I think das shall decide how long it should take /ooc
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 09:22 AM TO AMERICA
We are glad you are helping Britain in the fight on piracy, but it is mostly under control in Oceania(except for Zanzibar, which causes problems[I take it that's Zanzibar, Das?]), where Britain and Japan have succeeded in hunting down pirates for many years.
Instead I feel that it may be better to concentrate on totally destroying slavery, which still profits many on the East African coastline despite Britain's best efforts.
Britain will allow you a naval base on Sri Lanka(the island near India) if you will help her in this aim.
And do you agree to the MPP?
Disraeli
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 09:29 AM To: Prime Minister Disraeli of the British Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
America agrees to the MPP and gladly accept a naval base on Sri Lanka. We will help Britain abolish slavery and piracy worldwide and officialy condemn the Belgian using slaves in Kongo.
trader/warrior Jun 25, 2002, 10:00 AM wery well,we shal order our ships back.but not forever.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 11:48 AM From: Japan
To: America
My army is in desparate need in help in northern china in destroying the forces apposing us. my army is to small and needs to be upgraded to a Large army immediatly. There for i would like to take a lone from American Banks if that is alright. I am sorry for the improper heading but my camp is being raided as we speek. The first shipment of winchester rifles never got to Japanese hands. My naval commanders say the transport was sunk by pirates on its way to harbor. Goodbye...
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Toasty Jun 25, 2002, 11:53 AM To: President Odie MacGarfield
The Spanish Kingdom has resigned from its attempt on Haiti. While we feel this is inappropriate, the tansitionist Spanish economy and under-built/equipped armed forces can not stand up to the industrial might of America, combined with those of a treacherous Japan, in the slightest.
However, as of this we see that America should not expand in the Caribbean either. Attempts on the Spanish- and French-Speaking islands should be deemed as blatant aggression towards Spain, and as such, we request you not do this.
We hope that we can move on past this matter and allow our governments to continue without hostilities.
To: Emperor Meiji of Japan
We in Spain are not so dull as you may believe, and consider this act little more than a stab in the back--along with twisting the knife.
Spain will not aid your actions against China, and fail to understand your sending naval ships to the Philippines. We would that you did not send any military forces to the colony, as it is flagrant disregard of Spanish sovreignty.
Updates on the Spanish military and expansion
The Spanish Caribbean fleet, originally headed for Haiti, has now made a 90 degree turn and headed for Colombia. The peaceful colonization effort will begin as soon as the ships arrive and Colombians accept the Spanish annexation.
In Asia, Spain found it important to take the lands of Papua New Guineao on the Eastern side of New Guinea. The natives, already well-learned in foreign languages, were taught immediately the language of Spanish. A third of the Pacific fleet, along with a quarter of the Filipino garrison landed there.
Spanish Morrocco continued to expand Southward.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 11:54 AM To: Emperor Meijin of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
You have been granted a loan from the U.S, but the banks are afraid they wont be getting their money back. I personally had to authorize this loan. Make good use of it. The next shipment of rifles to Japan should arrive within a month. 5% of the U.S Army have been sent to Korea for defencive guard duties so your army can concentrate on north China. I wish we could do more, but as long as tension between Spain and U.S.A still exist i cannot commit any more forces.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 12:08 PM To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: U know who its from:p
America is pleased with the fact that Spain has given up on their colonialist occupation ideas. The U.S will help the current Haitian goverment with modernizing their nation. We hope that the tarnished relations between America and Spain will improve.
Modified Orders: Ship more troops and weapons to Japan to help them in China. Send ships and transports to command the new U.S base in Sri Lanka. Soldiers and Ships will be commited to aid the Los Democraticos Partisanos (LDP) in Panama. 15% procent of the U.S Army have been sent there to invade the opressive regime, along with 10% of the U.S Navy. After the Democratic Republic of Panama has been established a canal of unmatched proportions will be dug in an effort to help modernize the agrarian economy of the poor Panama region. In return for U.S aid, the Panama Canal will become U.S territory and there will be built heavy fortifications on both sides of the canal. The war in Panama is expected to last for 1 year and a half. The canal will take 7-10 years to build and the fortifications will be done in 5 years.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:13 PM To: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A.
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
We accept the loan from America with deep gratitude. Now that forces are heading toward Korea we will help the USA with anything they need. We have finished our invasion of Okinawa and they will be heading toward the naval base being built because i heard of a pirate attack being planned against the base. And dont worry about the loan. you will get your money back when we finish with china.
To: Prime Minister Disraeli of Britain
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese
I have heard of your MPP with America and now there is a 3-way alliance between you, america and me. This brings about renewed joy in the Japanese Cabinet. Also we would like to request that we help with the naval base in Sri Lanka. We are also trying to stop Slavery too and would like to try and help with Belgium.
Military Orders:
same but Army and naval force in Okinawa being sent to Naval Base construction site in Kuyshu[that right?] naval force sent to Phillipenes being turned away to help in china.
ooc Nothing personal toasty just a game/ooc
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:16 PM Hearing the news about panama, Japanese forces from Phillipenes are being redirected to help in panama. The US has helped us, and now we will help them in this Panaman Conflict.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 12:19 PM TO JAPAN
You have been granted permission to use a port alongside the American one.
TO THE WORLD
Britain will always defend allies that she has MPPs with. But this means that the first to attack is the one who will face Britain's might, as the aggressor.
TO SPAIN
I will make sure that you lose none of your Empire.
TO THE NETHERLANDS
Continue with your petty threats and you will not exist for long!
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 12:21 PM To: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
Allthough the U.S is grateful of the Japanese offer we must decline. Japanese forces are still outnumbered in China and it would be best for you to keep them there. The U.S has more than enough forces to end the war in Panama.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:22 PM TO BRITAIN
Thank you for your permission
TO AMERICA
Thank you for your further troop support in China.
We will redirect the troops again.
TO SPAIN
Let's stop this petty bikkering and straighten any ruffled feathers
TO NETHERLANDS
and we're right behind Britain
Troops orders: Phillipene force going to China
trader/warrior Jun 25, 2002, 12:24 PM to:spain
from:netherland
i do not like your colonisaton on new guinea.we will stop your ships from getting there with our ships wich are patrolling the area.we do now claim it as our own.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 12:24 PM To: King of the Netherlands
From: President Odie MacGarfiels of the U.S.A
Need i remind you that a war agains Britain will put your pathetic army and navy on a head on collision course with not only the British Empire, but also America and Japan? Think wisely or we will flatten your little "nation".
trader/warrior Jun 25, 2002, 12:26 PM we have called back our ships
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:27 PM To: Netherland
From: Japan
Need i also remind you a war with Spain means a war with Briain because they have an MPP. But that also means a War with America and Japan. Think wisely young grasshopper before you get smushed like a bug.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 12:31 PM Britain also has many other allies in this world, not least Italy and Spain, both of which have also signed MPPs with Britain.
Britain doesn't like war, but we will defend our Empire and our friends.
In this case, leader of the Netherlands, you offend us on both accounts.
Now you will pay.
The Royal Navy's Pacific Fleet, which alone is bigger than your entire navy, is moving towards New Guinea. They have orders to neutralise the small threat you are perceived to be, and then support the Spanish in taking the island.
I hope Britain's allies will help her in this war, but it matters not if they don't, for I feel dirty at giving such an order. It is almost like a world champion boxer beating up a small child.
But when the small child has been insulting, it deserves the beating.
I warn you, after we have crushed you in New Guinea, should you continue your threats we will be forced to attack the Netherlands itself.
Do not provoke us yet further!
Disraeli
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 12:32 PM The orders have changed. The Pacific Fleet is to escort the Dutch ships from the area.
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 12:34 PM But this is a warning. Stop your petty threats towards nations bigger than yourself, before one decides to ignore your pathetic apologies and excuses and destroy your once and for all!
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:34 PM TO BRITAIN
I am sorry but i can not help you in this fight because of the crisis in china. If we had spare forces we would help you but as you may know, we don't. Godspeed in the fight
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 12:35 PM ooc: ur funny as hell, nemesis lol
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:36 PM ooc: :rotfl:
uknemesis Jun 25, 2002, 12:41 PM Do not fear, we are not fighting a war at this moment.
Anyway, firstly I don't know why you are invading China, but I'll keep out of that, and secondly I understand.
Finally, we aren't fighting them now, but we will should they make more empty threats.
Disraeli
trader/warrior Jun 25, 2002, 12:45 PM ok ok we shal not threaten any countrys anymore we deeply apologise.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 12:45 PM To: King Alfonso of Spain
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
Since we both have a MPP with Britain, a MPP betwen us is merely a formality. As a sign of trust, all ships around Haiti and Cuba have been removed either to American ports or to Panama.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:47 PM TO BRITAIN
I have invaded northern China because i have found Sources of Iron ore and Coal which i can make refined products from without buying them from neighbors which gets terribley expensive for a neation on a loan and that only makes a Large income, but that will be going up from the profits of the Emerald mines we have found on the mainland. everyday we make $10,000. But that is not enough to fund the military alone s we requested a loan. But recently we found 4 mor mines and our income from the mines alone has raised $47,982 for a total of $57,982 from the mines alone. I am sure there are more but right now we would need men and women to work them so we are at 5 instead of a maximum 17.
TO AMERICA
The loan money is being paid back, all $30,000 of it. thank ou for the immediate support.
TO SPAIN
What do you say in an MPP and 35 perfect emeralds?
Toasty Jun 25, 2002, 12:49 PM I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I think we should lay off the posts for a while?...
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 12:51 PM yah cause we could miss something if we not here, but could you please make a response to the MPPs?
Toasty Jun 25, 2002, 01:03 PM To: Emperor Meiji of Japan
Spain is completely unwilling to sign an MPP with decadent Japan, despite whatever gems you may offer us.
Despite our warm greetings, you were perfectly content to sit on your hands and let America run the show in the Caribbean. Not only that, but you also made threatening military and diplomatic moves against one of our few colonies, the Philippines! Your crystal clear threats, trade cancellations, and backstabbing is not easily forgotten.
Whatever MPP you seek is unwelcomed by us. Your country has clearly shown its intentions to follow whichever country can offer it the most, and quite frankly, your opportunist government disgusts me.
Find you friends elsewhere--you have none in Spain.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 01:16 PM To: Spain
we never threatened you in the carribean. And there was no Naval fleet sent to the Phillipenes. I stopped imports of iron and coal because of the discovery in china. i still wished to trade but i guess that message was lost on its voyage to spain. I have heard of the fine Spanish silversmiths and goldsmiths making glorius designs and work and wished to trade for it. I also made a warning not a threat. you might have viewed it as a threat but it wasn't. i said that cause i had an MPP with america
Good day,
Emperor Meiji
To: Britain
I am finishing up in china and would like to know if there is a way to get to europe by not traveling around africa. If you could help me i will gladly fund 1/2 of the project whatever it is.
das Jun 25, 2002, 01:31 PM I will update everything tommorow.
das Jun 25, 2002, 01:32 PM Oh and please, SLOW DOWN!
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 01:36 PM ooc: hey das, dont forget USA has occupied Panama, and we have bases in Sri Lanka and the Southern tip of Japan, and u made a wonderul nes btw :goodjob::)
EDIT: Just looked at the map, Spain ultimately decided not to invade Haiti, and UK and US are allies now
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 01:37 PM yah but you never posted though so...
TO ITALY
FROM JAPAN
I, Emperor Meiji, would like to offer Italy a MPP with Japan. I will ship 10 emeralds if you accept this agreement
Toasty Jun 25, 2002, 02:57 PM He actually colored in the Dominican Republic, which I will happily take. Note that it is 100% Spanish-speaking, Hispanic, and their Presedent has just died...
Plus, I can't very well help it if my declaration of war on Haiti overran :p.
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 03:04 PM Well, im not really in a mood for war at this moment, but consider youself warned....
ooc: i thought by haiti you meant the entire island?/ooc
Daily News: In response to the Spanish occupation of the Dominican Republic, a fleet from the U.S landed in Port-Au-Prince earlier today. U.S President was quoted saying: "It is to help the Haitians develop, and to help them from any Spanish agression."
The U.S Army is setting up forts on the Haiti-Dominican Republic border, and ships in port in New Orleans and Miami will go back on patrol in the Carribean. There seems to be a worsening of the tensions between Spain and America just as things seem to cool down.
Toasty Jun 25, 2002, 03:09 PM To: President Odie MacGarfield
Please sir, do not be so unreasonable as to re-establish your patrols! We are members of the same alliance! The Dominican Republic was occupied by my misinformed General Fernando Sanchez, who already had the government shot on his own initiative--a removal of Spanish troops would only result in complete and utter collapse here. Semi-autonomy and citizen rights are going to be granted to the Dominicans as soon as Spanish authority has been established.
We will not touch Haiti, but merely ask for America to respect Spain's claim to the Dominican Republic. After which, we will end any further expansion on the Caribbean. Why would you fight us when an MPP between us would be "little more than a formality"? War brings us nothing, let us go forth not in angst and in hatred, but in arms as allies and friends!
.:KNAS:. Jun 25, 2002, 03:17 PM To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
You are right we acted a little to fast, our forces will be withdrawn from Haiti, but our ships will patrol the SouthWest Carribean assisting our forces currently fighting in Panama. And as a sign of goodwill form your side, ex-goverment forces from Panama continuosly strike at the canal construction sites and then withdraw into Colombia. As you are colonizing Colombia we would like it if you would prevent them from entering Colombia by any means necessary. Or allow U.S forces to pursue them over the border.
jbrice78 Jun 25, 2002, 04:42 PM http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/bin13/imag1286.jpg
Without any response from the world community dening them the right to the balkans. The austrian army marches into the balkans without delay. With there army being Large in size they meet very little resistance that could even slow their advancing forces. They perject reaching the bulgarian border within a three months.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 06:36 PM To: Austria
From: Japan
Seeing the trouble that the world is in we would like to offer you an MPP and 25 perfect emeralds. We would like you to accept our offer to strengthen both your nation and mine.
Sincerely,
Emperor Meiji
CONRAD Jun 25, 2002, 07:33 PM Civilization Name: Russia
Ruler: Alexander Romanov II
Government Type: Absolutist Monarchy
Tech Level: Medium Industrial Age
Military Strength: Huge (but not very well trained) army, medium navy, no aviation
Type of Economy: Half Agrarian – Half Industrial
Annual Income: Large
To: All
From: Russia
Subj: Trade
Does anyone wish to do any trade? We in Russia have lots of stuff.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 07:59 PM what are some things Russia has to offer?
jbrice78 Jun 25, 2002, 08:05 PM http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/ww_one/photos/bin16/imag1548.jpg
As the marauding Austrian forces smash the few pockets resistances that can be formed. Thousands of refugees are fleeing across the borders of Bulgaria in alarming numbers.
From: Austria-Hungary
To: Bulgaria
Austria demands that Bulgaria handover all noncitizens to their forces. If you do not do it in a speedly manner. We will be forced to come across the border and recover them ourselves
jbrice78 Jun 25, 2002, 08:17 PM To: Japan
From: Austria-Hungary
We do not wish to enter into any mpp at this time. We have yet to decide who we feel is in the right at this time. We feel there is to much going on world wide. We need more time to review everyones postions before choosing sides. We will let you know when the time is right.
To: America
From: Austria-Hungary
We are interested in moderizing of production capabilities. Any technologies you wish to trade with use would be greatly appreciated. You will find my nation not to be overly wealth, but I'm sure so agreement can be reached.
Dark Wanderer Jun 25, 2002, 08:38 PM ooc: How Can you do this to a nation without no leader? and also how did you attach an image like that without the blah blah has attached this image?/ooc
Ingame:
We have suceeded in the take over in china. We now have control over Korea and Northern China. We are now redirecting our forces.
Army Orders:
5% - Hold China
5% - Hold Korea
5% - Hold Okinawa
15% - At naval base in Kyushu
10% - At naval base in Sri Lanka
10% - Abroad on transport around the Pacific
50% - Defending Homeland
Naval Orders:
5% - Support troops in N China
5% - Support troops in Korea
5% - Support troops in Okinawa
15% - At naval base in Kyushu
10% - At naval base in Sri Lanka
20% - Abroad the Pacific protecting transports and merchant ships
40% - Defending Homeland
Colonization of Northern China and Korea has begun and we now have raw materials that we have greatly needed. We thank Spain and America for first giving us the first raw materials.
To: King Alfonso XII
From: Emperor Meiji
Thank you for that shipment of raw materials 3 months ago. That shipment was put to good use as the engineers that sent with it trained us in the knowledge of engineering coal powered machines. You may think it was nothing, but to us, it opened a new door for the Japanese people.
To: President MacGarfield
From: Emperor Meiji
Thank you for that shipment of raw materials 3 months ago. That shipment was put to good use as the engineers that sent with it trained us in the knowledge of engineering coal powered machines alongside the Spanish. Also we recently got the shipment of 30,000 Winchester Repeating Rifles like promised. There is only 30,000 left, so we will buy another 50,000 as soon as we find out the price.
Jason The King Jun 25, 2002, 10:36 PM I will play that of Egypt.
Egyptian politics were in disarray. The new Monarch, Pharoh Tanus Nefer, has achieved the thrown through a death, in which the murderer is still unknown.
Pharoh's speech to the nation in Thebes:
"Our nation is growing rapidly, but not producing enough for our people. Isis has not provided our valley with sufficeint land and vegetation for our people, and so I take it as a omen. I have already sent many colonists of Egypt on quests to begin claiming lands for Egypt, in which will produce crops and minerals our people and nation so dearly need. Settlers have been sent to the land called China, somewhere near a small native village named Hong Kong ( just for location, so you know where they have been sent). Also, many colonists should be arriving in northwestern South America as we speek. As a nation, I also ask that our people spread to the lower parts of Africa, staying connected to our Nile empire, though. Also, as we are desert peoples, I have sent the last colonists to the center of an Arabic peninsula named Saudi Arabia to lay an empire. I have also ordered the construction of the Fleet of Horus, to give the power of seas to our people. Many, many war ships are being built in Alexandria and Elephantine.
Now about our economy. We need something we can trade for the recourses we lack. So I have devised a plan, a plan that I didn't think of, but Ra did, and told me in my dream. He said to begin the harvest of many, many tons of Gold that our valley and desert have much of. The trade for godl will buy us the wood we need for our Navy, the food for our army and people, the technology for our military, and the leverage over the other nations of the world and that we can finally enter the market. Our nation will no longer be a side dish of world, but I piece of it!!!"
The Pharoh slammed his fist down on the wooden table. Only when he left, when it was appropriate, did the crowd blow up in yells and screams. He had done it, Tanus Nefer had won their loyalty.
trader/warrior Jun 26, 2002, 03:58 AM the navy of netherland is now medium
trader/warrior Jun 26, 2002, 04:08 AM why isnt norway and sweden on th map?
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 06:45 AM To: Pharao Tanus Nefer of the Egypt
From: President Odie MacGarfeld of the U.S.A
We would like to trade with Egypt, however there are two conditions to it:
1. Call of your settlers bound for South America, we dont need another Trans-Atlantic power there.
2. Call of your settlers bound for South China, that territory rightfully belongs to Japan.
To: Franz Josef of Austria-Hungary
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
We will help you modernize your country if we can have a base on the coast of the Adriatic Sea. We would also appreciate if you would refrain from invading Bulgaria. They are a peacful people whom i am sure will comply with your conditions.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 08:40 AM ooc: dude, Jason you can't settle land that fast. you can't have settlers pop up in the middle of arabia or south china. /ooc
To: Pharaoh Tanus Nefer of the Egyptians
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
President MacGarfield has a point. China is the rightful territory of the Japanese Empire and its people! I suggest call off your settlers or you might cause war with the Empire of Japan. Don't forget, we have a military stronghold right in the South China Sea on Okinawa. If you were to settle in Southern China you would be anihilated immediately. So be respective of our property and nothing bad will happen. Thank you for your time.
Army Orders:
5% - Hold N China
5% - Hold Korea
5% - Hold Okinawa
10% - At naval base in Kyushu
10% - At naval base in Sri Lanka
10% - Abroad on transport around the Pacific
15% - Being transported to areas around South China
40% - Defending Homeland
Naval Orders:
5% - Support troops in N China
5% - Support troops in Korea
5% - Support troops in Okinawa
10% - At naval base in Kyushu
5% - At naval Base in Sri Lanka
20% - Abroad the Pacific patroling and protectin merchant ships
40% - Defending Homeland
10% - Racing towards Hong Kong and to Southern China
Japan's army has been upgraded to Large
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 08:51 AM Daily News: The training of the reserve in handling the new Winchesters is complete, America is now 1 year away from having a huge army, The Navy on the other hand reached large last week. Intense debate in congress wether or not to increase it to huge.
To: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
We would advise the Japanese people not to enlargen their army or navy any further, seing as the Japanese economy would have a hard time supporting it.
U.S Army News: The Democratic Republic of Panama has finaly been established. Ex-goverment forces continue to fight sporadic guerilla war in south Panama, this far over 200 Panamanian workers and 9 American workers have been killed in the construction of the Panama Canal due to sabotage. The fortress on the East side of the Canal will be done within 6 months but the West side fortress will take another year atleast due to the difficulties of transporting materials there.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 09:38 AM To: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A.
From: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
Do not worry, we were upgrading our army so we can inforce the law more in our conquer territories, and because of the widespread area we have conquered makes it thin out our troops, but since we upgraded we have 37% more troops in stationed areas.
We also heard about your problem in Panama about resource transportation. We will be glad to help and fight off the ex-government rebels while you complete the canal. Completing this canal is vitale for transportation from Kyoto to Washington, D.C. by the sea. We also are almost finished in our take over of Southern China so there is no need to send troops support.
We also thank you in the support of building factories to make more of our own goods, especially the gun factories and railroad systems. We have recently received the last shipment of Winchester Repeating Rifles and will need no more. We are currently working on our own repeating rifle. It will be based on the Winchester but it will be different. Those details, i am afraid, i cannot tell you in public. Thank you for your everlasting support.
Your friendly nieghbor,
Meiji
TO: WORLD
Japan has found an ancient remedy to cure a type of skin cancer[have to look up which kind]. The herb can only be found in the mountains of Japan and nowhere else. We will market this medicine to other countries, especialy ones by the equator. Also we are marketing valuble spices, silks, perfumes, and rockets from Northern and Southern China. We are also marketing fine Japanese art made by the best artists in Japan. On top of that we have a large fish market with fish only found in this area. Whale meat and blubber are for sale too [this is before people discovered whaling was a problem and almost every country did it and no one objected]. And tons and tons of nice fine bladed swords! A big demand has recently popped up and we are making them with elegant designs; and some even have handles made only from emerald. Rice and sushi are also on export. Nations come now and trade, for some things are limited like the emerald handled swords.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 10:00 AM Japan has just discovered silver mines!!!! We are gaining new wealth with 3 new silver mines we have discovered! our income from the mines is $34,273 a month! and because of the take over of China we now have enough people to open 4 more emerald mines. this boosts emerld profits from $57,982 to $93,5361!! Even though this does not rais our income from Very large to Huge we are still very happy with profits. Opening one more mine means gettin over $100,000 profits a month from these mines, whic may boost our annual income.
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 10:58 AM To: Emperor Meijin of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
I assure you that there is no need for Japanese forces to act in Panama, we have enough forces there as there is. We would also like to announce that since Japans army has been enlargend, we will withdraw our forces from Korea. They will be sent to the Island of Hainan of the coast of southern China were they will conquer the last remaining forces of the Chineese and to set up an American sphere fo influense.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 11:49 AM ooc: where is hainan? /ooc
Toasty Jun 26, 2002, 11:50 AM To: President Odie MacGarfield
Spain will be setting up a barrier on the Colombo-Panamanian border. All persons attempting to pass will be questioned, and if they are suspected Panamanian sympathizers will be put to trial. The sentence for any of them found guilty will be death by firing squad.
However, as we move towards friendship, I am hoping that your government will let us finish what we have started on Hispanola. Haiti remains torn and several of the war refugees have found their home in the Spanish half of the island. The island can be united and order established if you would be so kind as to allow my troops to do so.
Happy hunting,
King Alfonso XII
To: Pharoh Tanus Nefer
As word arises of your raw materials defecit, Spain is willing to help. Because of the cancellation of Japanese trades, the Spanish Kingdom still controls an excess of steel, iron ore, and coal. We are interested in aquiring gold, the development of a Spanish colony in Abyssinia, and possible Spanish-owned gold mining business in your territory in exchange for these resources. Also, our engineers can give you designs for the newest design of crusier, the Bilbao class. Once the RBNY has been completed, we can also sell you the designs to the Isabella class coal-powerd battleships.
We look forward to word from our friends in Cairo, and wish you the best of luck in your future ventures.
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 11:50 AM ooc: a bit east of north vietnam, just off the coast of China
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 12:07 PM ooc: ok. And also, i'm in your un-coll book :( ?
To: America
If you take hainan will you keep it as your own, or give it to the Japanese Empire, which already controls the rest of China?
also we would like to order 50,000 more Winchester Rifles at the price of 1,100,000 USDs. We hope they get here soon.
TO: WORLD
Japan has yet opened another emerald mine that has boosted Emerald profits to $102,465 a month. We also has opened another silver mine and boosted silver profits to $52,231 a month. if we open another silver and emerald mine we will receive an annual income of Huge, but opening both at the same time is a far way off.
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 12:08 PM To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
We will allow Spain to lay the rest of Haiti under its control. And as you are constructing a larger navy, you should be in a need of wood, we are willing to trade American oak, redwood and other trees you need in exchange for sugar from your Cuban colony. We would also like to thank you for dealing with the Panamanian rebels in such an "appropriate" manner. We would advise you from selling plans to build the Isabella class battleship to the Egyptians considering his mad-cap expansion plans in South America.
Daily News: The Mexican bandit Pancho Villalobos has raided yet another small town on the U.S-Mexican border. U.S Cavalry pursued Villalobos over The Mexican border were he was captured and hung in the nearest tree. His entire gan of bandits were summarily executed on site. The Mexican goverment was reportedly infuriated by the incident, but nothng has been heard from them so far. Reports of the Mexicans gathering troops near the border has causes the U.S to react. ALL U.S forces in Kyushu and Sri Lanka (exept for a "skeleton garrison" to maintain the bases) have been withdrawn to mainland U.S.A. This order does however not involve the expeditionary force headed for Hainan. All forces on duty in Miami have been moved to the Mexican border. This massive troop movent puts well over 50% of the now huge American army toe-to-toe with the ill equippped large mexican army. The U.S Navy has begun a blockade of all Mexican ports in the Carribean and the Pacific. Foreign Minister James K. Polk warned other nations in meddling in what he refered to as "The U.S business".
footnote: The Panamanian Division remains unaffected by these events.
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 12:13 PM ooc: dont feel blue, dark, 6 billion others are in it too :D :lol: /ooc
To: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
From: Foreign Minister James K. Polk of the U.S.A
As stated earlier, the USEF (U.S Expeditionary Force) will take and hold the land for the United States of America. Hainan is cluttered with pirates havens and now they will pay the price. And all arms shipments should arrive on time.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 12:21 PM Japnese Juice: In yet finding another silver mine, the one Emperor Meiji has been talking about, the income of silver profits has gone up again! Profits are currently at 60,011 USD's a month, or, 6,001,100 Yen a month and emerald profits at 102,465 USD's a month, or, 10,246,500 Yen a month. Here are the other incomes of other markets:
Spice: 24,892 USDs
Silks: 30,012 USDs
Rice: 10,874 USDs
Fish: 5,912 USDs
Whale Meat: 50,000 USDs
Whale Blubber: 55,066 USDs
Coal: 60,892 USDs
Iron Ore: 47,774 USDs
Steel: 54,566 USDs
Artwork: 2,354 USDs
Medicine: 20,005 USDs
Says the Emperor, "This is not enough to boost Annual Income to a Huge income." end quote.
If you turn to sports............................................ ...
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 12:23 PM Thank you President. May i also suggest a small force from Okinawa to come and help you, cause Japanese warships have been capturing pirates in China's Seas for centuries now.
Toasty Jun 26, 2002, 12:25 PM To: President Odie MacGarfield
Spain has a suficient supply of wood from Colombia and Hispanola. However, if you are interested in the purchase of sugarcane from Cuba we can work out a deal. If America would be willing to open businesses in Spain, while we recieve 30% of the profit from them and will take complete ownership in 5 years, we would gladly open Cuba's sugar plantations to the Americans.
But as far as Mexico goes, we feel that we should have a right to put our say in, as we are now neighbors in the Caribbean. If you are doing this only to end the raids, very well, but Spain will be very upset if any land, ports, or money is aquired from a successful war against Mexico.
And unfortunately, because of Spain's relatively bad and worsening economy (the Barcelona naval yard is becoming a rather large drain), we feel the need to pick up change wherever we can. However, if we could recieve a form of loan or assistance to expand our industry and develop our transitionist economy we may be able to cut the profits that would come from the battleship design sales.
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 12:32 PM To: Emperor Meiji of the Japanese Empire
From: President Odie MacGarfield of the U.S.A
There really is no need for Japanese assistance on Hainan, however we could use some (or more accurately alot) of your warships to establish an outer perimiter around the island to prevent Chineese ships from escaping. We would also like to import some of that skincancer medicine.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 12:42 PM ok i will establish a perimeter. The medicine costs 12 USDs, plus 4 extra for transportation because it is very delicate and needs to be handled with care. So it will cost 16 USDs a pound. It comes in a powder and then needs to be brewed into a drink. Just add water.
Japanese Juice:
as US forces invade Hainan, almost no ships leave the island. But then, 2 ships escape and make a run for it to China. Just as it looked like they were gonna get away, both ships exploded in flames and sunk in their tracks. When i turned to look a Japanese Pacific Fleet was heading towards the island. "Sorry it took so long." the captain said. "It's all right, those ships didn't get away." the Sqaudron leader replied
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 12:45 PM To: King Alfonso XII of Spain
From: Foreign Minister James K. Polk
No foreign meddling between Mexico and U.S.A.
We could open up business in Spain. How do you intend to overtake the ownership of those businesses? How much will we get after those 5 years? As to the question of a loan, we will need alot of money in an eventual war against Mexico, so we cannot lend you as much money as we wish we could. However we hope that you still wont sell those blueprints, and we will lend you more money as soon as an eventual Mexican campaign is over.
das Jun 26, 2002, 12:48 PM OOC: Japan still doesn't has Korea AND doesn't fights against Russia right now. Dutch MAY NOT COLONIZE VENEZUELLA - it's and independent country. You will have to declare war. Oh and finally: If You Don't Want Me To Close THis, SLOW DOWN IMMIDIATELLY! I can't manage this on that speed!
das Jun 26, 2002, 01:02 PM OKAY THAT'S IT! I am starting this NES all over again in a diffrent THread. You are moving too fast. You are making not normal moves, not even looking at map. You win battles without even asking me for results. I will start the new NES tommroow.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 01:03 PM OOC: Das, i never declared war on russia. But why can't i have Korea? in real life it was a colony and that is what it is now. I will slow down though, but this is fun so we can't stop.
Toasty Jun 26, 2002, 01:05 PM This happened to das in NES I. I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to run something moving this quickly, either.
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 01:09 PM Oh..... now i know why das got so mad. I read NES I and now i know why he wouldn't want to run this NES.
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 01:15 PM oh, well bummer.....
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 01:18 PM i'll start a thread then. it'll be NES IV reserected
.:KNAS:. Jun 26, 2002, 01:19 PM maybe u oughtta leave that for das...
Dark Wanderer Jun 26, 2002, 01:34 PM ok
Dexter Jun 27, 2002, 06:31 AM Jesus!!:eek: I go for two days and this thread already has seven pages!!! Make sure you sign me-up for the new thread please
Thanks
Toasty Jun 27, 2002, 11:38 AM IF das isn't on time, I'm going to restart it meself, :p.
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