I've never razed a Holy City before, and I'm wondering what the consequences will be. Here's the situation:

I refuse to lost again to another backdoor victory so I've been paying attention to the victory screens, and Liz is getting closer and closer to a cultural victory. Unacceptable. I have my fleet of Legendary City busters outside her borders, ready and waiting to raze at least one of her cities. Problem is, the easiest city to attack and raze is the Jewish Holy city. However, the only Jewish civ is my Incan vassal, whose opinion of me makes absolutly no difference to me. He can burn my effigy for all I care, I'm worried about other leaders reactions. Every civ, except Buddist Izzy and Hindu Pericles and my stupid vassal, is running Free Religion.

Basically, do I get -diplo points for razing a Holy city from Civs whose State Religion is not that holy cities? Thanks! I'm getting very close to my first Prince win! :D

Never tried it before either, but i'd have to say that it would give the -diplo points for those countries runing the religion of the holy city only.

I can't imagine the whole world being angry at me for it...but who knows o.O

I'm actually hoping to win a Diplo victory before it comes to it, so with luck I can avoid the whole thing.

I haven't done it in BTS, but in Vanilla I know that razing holy cities only angers civs who practice said religion. In a recent game, I razed a Confucian holy city, but most of the world was Buddhist, so they didn't really care.

With Free Religion, though, that might pose more of a problem, since it's possible that they practice said religion on a non-national basis. I'm pretty sure that it's only a -1 penalty, though, especially if it's not their main religion... so I wouldn't worry too much.

Again... I only just upgraded to BTS, so this is all Vanilla advice. Take with a grain of NaCl. :)

I did a quick test in world builder. Only civs running that state religion are affected.....burn baby burn.

I decided to keep it, as it turns out :P The Shrine money was nice and my empire was ready to expand! It just became a race to see how much I could conquer before my space ship landed. I did pretty well, if I don't say so.

I razed it and reloaded. The only diplo hit I took was from the only Jewish civ, and it was -2.

I refuse to lost again to another backdoor victory so I've been paying attention to the victory screens, and Liz is getting closer and closer to a cultural victory. Unacceptable.


I've just had the same situation. This was the city I had to destroy:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101561/Civ4ScreenShot0002.JPG

:eek:

I actually felt a little guilty as I hit the raze button, but there was no way I could've held it.

ps. I got -2 "you razed a holy city" from the 2 other Hindu civs, but not from the French themselves, who switched to Free Religion the turn before I attacked.

Yeah, it's a -2 'you razed a holy city'. I did that yesterday for Isabella. ;)

Wow, that Paris is a monster o.O I'm assuming it was Louis, he can build some monster cities, but can't defend them at all.

Wow, that Paris is a monster o.O I'm assuming it was Louis, he can build some monster cities, but can't defend them at all.


Yeah, he built about 2/3 of the wonders in this game.

Orleans was another monster. I razed that later on, just for the hell of it. :devil:

Yeah, he built about 2/3 of the wonders in this game.

Orleans was another monster. I razed that later on, just for the hell of it. :devil:

If Louis could just defend his cities better, he'd be a pretty decent AI. As it is, he really is like a store, filling his shelves with juicy cities for the price of a few seige weapons.

What a deal!

I've just had the same situation. This was the city I had to destroy:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/101561/Civ4ScreenShot0002.JPG

:eek:

I actually felt a little guilty as I hit the raze button, but there was no way I could've held it.

ps. I got -2 "you razed a holy city" from the 2 other Hindu civs, but not from the French themselves, who switched to Free Religion the turn before I attacked.

Why exactly did you have to raze it? If you feared an AP vidtory from the AI, you should have attacked the city with the AP and razed it instead

He was going for a cultural victory (note the three religions and a cathedral).

The culture rate isn't so high in this screenshot, but a little later on - when I moved to raze Paris - he was pushing out 200:culture: per turn from his third city. All three would've cleared 10000:culture: well before 1800ad.

I could've left it later in the game and actually kept the city, but I had a window of opportunity for a surgical strike (France was at war with China, so 3/4 of the Paris garrison had been rushed to the front).

With Paris (and Orleans) gone, Louis ceased to be any kind of a threat, and I could focus all my attentions on preparing for the space race (for which I already had more than enough cities - and if I'd wanted more, the Greeks nextdoor would've been a much easier target than the faraway French).