Finalized Settings

Game Name: Apocalypse
Game Version: BTS 3.13
Team format: 2 v 2 v 2 v 2
Turns/day: If it's your turn you get the turn done within a few hours or at the very least the same day. For those of you who have their turn just before GMT +0 and +1 people, please try to get your turn done as early as possible so that they can get their turn done (in what is likely afternoon or evening for them) and send it on before they go to bed.

Settings

Map: Team Battleground
Size: Huge
Climate: Random
Sea Level: Medium
Era:: Ancient
Speed: Epic
Team Placement: Four Corners
Team Setting: Start Together
World Map: Toroidal

Options

Advanced Start - 750 points
Raging Barbarians
Permanent Alliances

Victories

All Victory Conditions Enabled

Teams

The number after your name is your turn order.

Team 1
Arangarx - 1
GothikOrk - 5

Team 2
mabeco - 2
Ulfang - 6

Team 3
Game_Addy - 3
Port16 - 7

Team 4
Trainwreck20 - 4
Shogu - 8

Turn Order
Arangarx GMT -7
mabeco GMT +0
Game_Addy GMT -8
Trainwreck20 GMT -6
GothikOrk GMT -5
Ulfang GMT +0
Port16 GMT -7
Shogu GMT +1

I am assuming that everyone on this list will, to the best of their knowledge, be able to see this game out to the end. This is going to be a long one folks, but it should be quite fun! Obviously, unforeseen circumstances cannot be avoided, but do not start if you know you can't go the long run. Also, no quitters/bad losers. If you're losing, please don't stop playing your turn to the best of your abilities. Also, please don't play your turn over and over till you get the results you like.

This should be a truly epic battle. Let's get it on! Let's bring the apocalypse!

I personally would rather use the software created by ruff_hi to handle all the email sending instead of manual emails or posting on these forums. However you decide to handle your email sending, whenever you take your turn you should send the save file on to the person whose turn it is next and an update email to me, so I know whose turn it is at all times. I will personally send an update email to all players when I take my turn unless someone opts out.

sounds great and I'd like to be in on it! although I must admit the schedule thing seems a bit far-fetched. I do not believe that it would actually work.
other than that I'm pretty excited and agree with all the settings you discussed. But what about the map itself? will it be Team_battleground, fractal, inland sea?...

cheers

Glad to have you on board. As far as the map type, I'm not sure which type I want to do exactly yet. For now I will say fractal, but I'm open to one of the other types. Team battleground might make for a good option as long as it sticks the teams together. :)

you can set that option while creating the game ;)

If you like Civ 4 and multiplayer games, you should definitely sign up for this. I know I am. This will undoubtedly be the greatest, most memorable Civ 4 experience to be had in the history of the universe. I wouldn't miss this for the world, the real one, or the Civ one. :lol:

::takes $50 from Arangarx:: :D

Seriously though, join this game. It's only being described as epic because there's currently no word in the English language that could better convey the scale and life altering impact that this match is gonna have.

lol...I should hire you to promote my games lol

I'm in if it's vanilla, but I don't have Warlords. So I'm probably not in, but if you change your minds...

Hi, I'm in if it's BtS.

oops... didn't check what game this was going to be... I don't have Warlords!
I have a dual installation of Vanilla 1.74 and BTS + Vanilla with update 3.13 for BTS... if you really want to play warlords please count me out =/

Actually I did go ahead and buy BTS. So, it looks like the majority of people so far have and would like to play BTS. I think the safe thing right now would be to say that we're going to play a BTS 3.13 game

How does this work if someone has BTS but not warlords? Are they missing any units?

Warlords, as I understand it, is completely unneccessary it you have BtS, but I have not played Warlords in a long, long time......

For those already signed up, please check back and read the original post now and then to see if there have been any updates or requests for suggestions. I have questions for each person who has signed up so far and would like feedback on the things I keep adding to the possible game settings.

Thanks.

I don't have BTS.

joaocarlospinheiro AT gmail DOT com

prefer classical start, no barbarians, no tech trading and huge team-battleground map
Leader of choice - Gandhi

Thank you much.

Well, so far we need anywhere between 4 to 8 more people to sign up before we can begin. I'm glad that we've seen this much interest so far. Hopefully we'll fill up soon.

Oh yes, and if you prefer to send your contact info as a private message that is fine with me.

As a question, how many are familiar with ruff_hi's software and would be comfortable using it? It is by no means required, but it makes it a heck of a lot easier on you.

I haven't used it yet for lack of opportunity... all my PBEM's seem to have stalled =/
but from what I've seen it's a great piece of software!

Yes it is, and I would even say that in a game of this magnitude...almost essential. I like how I can configure it to automatically send the save file to the next person and then send an update email to everyone in the game. This would make for a lot of emails, but then everyone would be continually updated on who's turn it is without having to check the forums themselves. Another option that saves on email space is to just make sure that the admin (in this case me) gets an update email so at least that person knows who is supposed to be taking their turn.

You just play your turn, open his software, click on the game and hit send. Done. Couldn't be easier. Setup might take a little time for some people (a bit tricky if you've never use it) but once it's going it's great.

I have BTS 3.13 and wouold be interested. I don't mind who I play and love those Epic and Marathon games :) I've only ever played one pbem Civ IV game and that was just after Civ IV came out and it only lasted a few turns due to many dropouts. I do play a few M2TW hotseat games though so know the process - daily turnaround etc.

Glad to have you on board. And speaking of dropouts, please, if anyone who has signed up has second thoughts or wants to drop out, please let me know BEFORE the game starts. A game like this with this many players really needs to have every player committed to seeing the game through. I don't want to start this and all the sudden half the people are not playing anymore. :cry:

Yea definately! Death to dropouts :) It's incredibly annoying. Nothing quite like playing a game with mature and committed players. :)

Ah, shoot, I can handle one more....count me in :). My email/location are in my profile under 'location'. I have BtS 3.13, and am pretty much open for whatever for maps and settings.

You're added to the list. Welcome. :D

I would be interested in playing.
Using: BTS
Prefered Leader: Ghandi
Preferred Race: Any, really. Heck, give me Minors if you really want to:cool:
Preferred Barbs: Raging
Preferred Start: Ancient, though classical is also acceptable)
Preferred Speed: Any will do.
Preferred Advanced Start points: Any will work. I generally use roughly 500-1000, pending how quickly I want to get it started. However, for this game, I think 250 would be good. Afterall, I enjoy the feeling of micro-managing my empire, and this way, we can get the essentials(ie worker, warrior, infrastructure and maybe another city) down, without half-colonizing the world.

Misc. Information:
I enjoy OCC games, but do not exclusively play them. I generally play on Monarch level, but any will work I suppose, especially if in teams. I'm a relative new-comer to PBEM though, so I'm sure whatever is chosen for settings will be just fine.

e-mail: Game_Addy2001@yahoo.com
Aim: Tralfagar2001
Zone: Pacific U.S.; -8GMT

Do we have a list of what is left available to play? As I said in an earlier post I'm not too bothered who I play so am quite happy to have a civ assigned to me but if I know what's left I can always just choose one. I see on the first page who's playing but it does't say what Civ's have been picked....

To Game_Addy:

Welcome to the game :)

To Ulfang:

I haven't yet listed civs that people have chosen because nothing is final yet. I'm trying to get an idea of what people want, but I may well still choose random unless someone REALLY has to have a specific civilization. Just let me know if you prefer a civilization and if it turns out that two people want the same...we can roll on it or something (yes there is a way to do this online with secure results).

I'm going to make sure we have the players first then I'm going to edit the first post to reflect the "final" settings. This will include the map settings and player civ settings (either random or specific). If there is no problem with them then we'll procede.

Hope this helps :)

Ah ok I'll go random then. I like surprises ;)

hey guys!... I'm sorry but I will have to let this one pass =/
please count me out as I have too many games already.

cheers and good luck =)

I'll join if you're still looking for players. I have Vanilla 1.74, and whatever the latest version of BTS is. So I'm fine with either.

I haven't played much beyond the sword, but it's fine by me if that's what you want to play.

My email is ms.thenetworker AT gmail DOT com. The same address can be used to find me on Messenger.

Leader: I'll take a Random leader, if that's OK.
I'm GMT -7, Mountain time. I'm located in Colorado Springs.

ULFang and I are teamed up in another game that is about to start, so you may want to put us on different teams, in case he learns to hate me ;-)
Seriously, it doesn't matter what team I'm on. The funny thing is that DLK is the organizer of that game.

As far as any other options go, I'll go with the flow. Also, I am more than happy to use the PBEM emailer.

Hello i would like to join ! BTS 3.13

We now have enough if we want to do 4 teams of 2. We need one more to do 3 teams of 3.

i prefer playing 4 teams .

I don't mind playing 4 teams either. I'm going to go ahead and post the "final" settings for the game in the original post. Let me know if anyone sees something that should be changed.

Looks good to me. Epic speed may make for a long game, but I'm up for it.

I'm definitely willing to go normal or quick. I don't mind a long game, but if epic won't allow it to EVER end...then we might need to speed it up lol.

Huge map ? Are you sure ? :crazyeye:

Yeah, epic may take a while in PBEM, but I have never tried it, so dunno...

Looks good to me. Epic speed may make for a long game, but I'm up for it.


Well I'll go with the crowd but I only ever play Epic or Marathon games in single player. The length of the game doesn't matter to me but it could for many.

If we do go for a normal game I'll might ask around and see if there are enough mad people out there to play a marathon game. There's probably a few and it would be good to find a game with all the players wanting a long, drawn out game.

I can play epic , when do we start :king: ?

Eh, epic works, but in PBEM, it will be a sloooooow start. I know some don't like adv. start, but that really helps the early game, and the disadvantages are shared by everyone.

Cool cool. Sorry about the absence of the past day. Forgot my darned power cord while in the city. But looks like teams are already picked, as well as settings. Epic/Marathon games are good with me, though as noted, they do give a long start.

Edit: I have school to about 2:00 M-W, and until 5:00 TH. On M-W, I'll probably have to work by around 4:00, but that should be about the only big restriction besides normal work on the weekends.

Maybe it would be better to go with normal speed...I was unsure of some of the effects of the game speed, but based on people's responses it looks like normal will last quite long enough.

Normal Speed 500 turns , Epic 1000 i guess, so twice as much time

I like the sound of Epic then ;) Anyone would think people actually want to finish a game :rolleyes:

As long as we have at least a few 'adv. start' points, I am fine with Epic....I just hate spending a month or something waiting for your first new unit...

As long as we have at least a few 'adv. start' points, I am fine with Epic....I just hate spending a month or something waiting for your first new unit...

Good point. I'm happy to go with normal if that's what the majority want or advanced start. As long as the majority are in agreement....

Also does anyone know of a complete list of Civs upto BTS? Not for the individual games but a complete list combined? I'm playing China in a Vanilla CIV PBEM and it will be confusing if I'm China again as I was asking for a random start. Chances are low but knowing my luck....

You can find the ones added to BTS here:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/bts/

Here are the original 18 for Vanilla:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/#Empires

Hope that helps.

You can find the ones added to BTS here:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/bts/

Here are the original 18 for Vanilla:
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/#Empires

Hope that helps.

Ah ok I thought there might be a complete list of every one as Warlords added a few as well like Vikings and Celts. I'll just work it out from the instruction booklets when I get home.

At home, I have a nice spreadsheet with all the civs cross indexed with their traits, and a list of the UU and UB. Of course, it is at home :(.

At home, I have a nice spreadsheet with all the civs cross indexed with their traits, and a list of the UU and UB. Of course, it is at home :(.

Yea ... erm .. thanks Trainwreck :lol:

I do have a less useful list of leaders with their traits...

Alexander - Aggressive - Philosophical
Asoka - Organized - Spiritual
Augustus Caesar - Imperialistic - Industrious
Bismark - Expansive - Industrious
Boudica - Charismatic - Aggressive
Brennus - Charismatic - Spiritual
Catherine - Creative - Imperialistic
Charlamagne - Protective - Imperialistic
Churchill - Charismatic - Protective
Cyrus - Charismatic - Imperialistic
Darius I - Financial - Organized
DeGaulle - Industrious - Charismatic
Elizabeth - Philosophical - Financial
Frederick - Philosophical - Organized
Gandhi - Philosophical - Spiritual
Genghis Khan - Aggressive - Imperialistic
Gilgamesh - Creative - Protective
Hammurabi - Aggressive - Organized
Hannibal - Financial - Charismatic
Hatshepsup - Spiritual - Creative
Huayna Capac - Industrious - Financial
Isabella - Spiritual - Expansive
Joao II - Imperialistic - Expansive
Julius Caesar - Organized - Imperialistic
Justinian I - Spiritual - Imperialistic
Kublai Khan - Aggressive - Creative
Lincoln - Philosophical - Charismatic
Louis XIV - Industrious - Creative
Mansa Musa - Spiritual - Financial
Mao Zedong - Expansive - Protective
Mehmed II - Expansive - Organized
Montezuma - Aggressive - Spiritual
Napoleon - Organized - Charismatic
Pacal II - Expansive - Financial
Pericles - Philosophical - Creative
Peter - Philosophical - Expansive
Qin Shi Huang - Industrious - Protective
Ragnar - Aggressive - Financial
Ramesses II - Spiritual - Industrious
Roosevelt - Organized - Industrious
Saladin - Spiritual - Protective
Shaka - Aggressive - Expansive
Sitting Bull - Philosophical - Protective
Stalin - Aggressive - Industrious
Suleiman - Philosophical - Imperialistic
Suryavarman II - Expansive - Creative
Tokugawa - Aggressive - Protective
Victoria - Financial - Imperialistic
Wang Kon - Financial - Protective
Washington - Expansive - Charismatic
Willem Van Oranje - Financial - Creative
Zara Yaqob - Organized - Creative

I can play epic with few adv start points

Leader/Trait Table

Normal Speed 500 turns , Epic 1000 i guess, so twice as much time

And the buildings, units and wonders are also more expensive on epic, I think it's by a universal factor of 1.25, but can't say for sure.

Leader/Trait Table

I was after the Civ list rather than the leaders but it's nicely done :) I'm at home now so will look through the booklets. :)

Ok then. It seems that most are fine with epic as long as we get an advanced start. I originally put up a 300 point start. Does this seem good to everyone?

Also, thanks for all the extra info. I was wondering if things became more expensive in epic.

Don't know if 300 is good as I've never done an advanced start before but I find Epic much more enjoyable than normal and Marathon much more enjoyable than Epic. In single player at least it makes research more more realistic.

300 is probably just enough to build a city, maybe expand it to pop 2 or 3, and buy a unit, maybe two. That would help enormously to get the game going, although it is a very small number considering there are 8 players on a huge map and it is unlikely that we will be butting up against each other or anything. I think it is fine, since the 'click end, send email' for a month is solved by buying a couple units so you can do SOMETHING. Also, a size two or three city produces your intial builds much faster.

Okay, just tried it out, and on Epic, the basis costs are:
149 for a city
+49 for an extra population
+36 for a mine
+22 for a scout/warrior

You do not start with a settler or a warrior/scout, so a regular start is ~175 points, so you have about 125 extra points to play with. That rules out pretty much buying a tech, but you can boost your city one, get an extra unit, and maybe build one improvement (mine, farm, whatever). So it is not a huge boost to the start, but it will help out a bit. Also on the plus side, since you are presumably building just one city, you get a much better look at where to put it....you have an 8 by 8 or so 'cleared' area to look at.

Okay, how do you do four corners on a toroidal map :D?

Lol, that is actually one setting I was really debating about. It was a tossup between flat and toroidal. The reason I went with toroidal is that it pretty much sticks everyone equidistant. If everyone would prefer flat so you have 2 "safe" sides, then we can do that too.

Oh, I really don't care, it just got me to thinking.

Anyway, a mobius map would be really cool.

Toroidal is much more realistic (good).
Do we go for 4x2 start?

I am ready whenever everyone else is.....and I really don't mind whatever the settings are :).

Alright, I'll finalize the settings today and tomorrow and I'm going to double check that I have an email for everyone. I'll also double check the time zones if they've been given and try to make sure that those won't get in the way. So if you haven't given me your contact info, make sure you do so as soon as possible. I will be sending each of you your temporary game password, which I believe you can change once in the game (ctrl + d I believe...I'll confirm this).

Remember, however you choose to send your emails you need to at least send the save file on to the person whose turn is next, and an update to me telling me that you've sent the file on to the next person and the name of the file.

Actually, it does not matter (in my experience) what you put in for temporary passwords....you don't need it and will be able to set your own password on your first turn.

I'm ready to go whenever the rest of you are. Downloaded the Ruff's client, and it's working well.

The game is underway! Good luck and have fun :)

I keep getting an error message whenever I try to load the game(probably when I changed <bAIPlayable> to 1 for the Minors. Reloaded the patch, and still no success. I'm going to uninstal/reinstall the game. However, before I'll be able to play the game, I have to leave for work at 1430. I'll be back at 2200 PST after work.

tried to send the email via the PBEM client by Hi_Ruff. I think it went through, but if you don't get it, let me know, and I'll send it manually.

Hmmmm....I have not received anything :(....just checked my bulk, too.....check you out box, and see what is sent.....

Sorry about the long wait, finally figured the problem. Guess the program doesn't like non-gmail accounts(or atleast mine:blush: ). Sent for sure to Trainwreck now.

Apocalypse_BC-4000_to_GothikOrk sent

I don't have Ruff's stuff set up yet, but will do so shortly.....

Okay, Gothik, you might get two saves (at least if my automated attempt worked). Let me know if you got the save twice, then I will know everything is working good :).

Out of curiosity, what did you try to use besides a gmail account? If the pbem emailer assumes gmail, that may just be because it is one of the few that offers use of their smtp servers.

my Yahoo account. Well, I think that brings up accounts under gmail to around 3(can never remember the password/username for them...)

I just sent my turn off. I'm using the PBEM emailer, so if anyone who hasn't received an email would like to, let me know, and give me your address.

Anyone else using the mailer, I would like to receive a GPS email, if it isn't a problme. ms.thenetworker AT gmail DOT com.

Game On!

Apocalypse_BC-3975_to_Game_Addy sent

Apocalypse_BC_3975_to_Trainwreck20 en route. I believe 3 times. GPS to Port16 and Trainwreck20. The first one, I pressed "send" and proceeded to type something in a different program. Don't know what I pressed, or what window came up, but it took my command. Re-sent, got a "Not Responding". Added myself to the list to receive save/GPS. Sent package again, and displayed "Not Responding" once again, though I received both the GPS and the game file. Appologies for the multiple game-saves and emails.

So much for technology. I'll stick to manual emails I think lol

No problem, I did get the game three times, but that is much better the '0' :). I am just figuring this out, too, but I think it will make my life a bit easier.

For the record, I am sending the GPS message to Arangarx and Port16. I am assuming that no one else is interested unless they tell me. If you are interested, email me or let me know.

I had to set this up on a second computer (should have emailed the files), so let me know if I screwed it up, Ork.

I'm going to be out of town on Wednesday through Saturday. I'm not leaving until Midmorning on Wednesday, so I'll play anything in my inbox before I go.

I get back Saturday Evening, so I'll play anything that's there when I get back, unless it's real late, in which case I'll do it on Sunday.

Let me know if it's a big deal, and I can have my wife play the turns for me, I'll just walk her through it on the phone.

Really, it's up to you. If it's not a problem for you to keep playing your turns via your wife, then that would be best. Otherwise, enjoy your trip or whatever the four days are for.

The other game I'm in mentioned that I could have my team mate play, which I hadn't thought of. If Game_Addy is up to it, I may pass it on to him.

Thanks!

If I need to play for you, I can, but it's totally upto you.

If you do choose to let me play for the turn, leave me a list of what you want done, and I'll make sure it gets done.

Let me know if it's a big deal, and I can have my wife play the turns for me, I'll just walk her through it on the phone.

You're going to leave the fate of your civilization in the hands of a .... a ... a ... WOMAN??? :eek: You're braver than I thought....

:lol:

Ok, thanks Addy. It should be a short list, not too much going on this early.

Ulfang,
:lol: That's funny! :lol:

Apocalypse_BC-3950_to_Game_Addy sent

Game sent to Trainwreck

sent to Ork

sent to Ork

Are you sure he got it? or is GothikOrk MIA?

I received mine today and has been passed on to port....

oh ok. Guess I was a little out of the loop:crazyeye:

Sorry guys, I wasn't able to get to check my email the last couple of days, so I didn't even see it. I sent mine off last night. I'm back in town now though, so I'll be churning them out like a madman.

Game sent to Mabeco (sorry don't have the emailer on this comp).

Apocalypse_BC-3925_to_Game_Addy sent

Apocalypse_BC-3925_to_Trainwreck20 sent to Trainwreck20

...and on...

Apocalypse_BC-3900_to_Game_Addy sent

And off it goes again to Trainwreck

Apocalypse_BC-3875_to_Game_Addy

Likewise to Trainwreck.

Sorry it's taken me a couple days to get my turn done. Been a busy week.

Apocalypse_BC-3850_to_Game_Addy

I received the latest turn last night. I'll be processing it tonight.

Apocalypse_BC-3825_to_Game_Addy

Forwarded the new one to Trainwreck.

Three huts that I found have provided maps....bleah!

Three huts that I found have provided maps....bleah!

Don't you just HATE that? ;)

Anyone know who the turn is with? Haven't heard anything for a while now?

I think the last I sent was 3825 to Gothik. The last I received was 3825 from Gameaddy. Both were on the 19th.

That's the last GPS I see for it too. I haven't received it since the 18th.

I haven't received 3825 at all

You should have received an update this morning. I sent BC-1440 to Jbieksha.

Looks like we're back on track.

umm...wrong game Port :lol:

Who was the last person to receive a save file? Why did this get derailed? :eek:

According to this forum the last one that anyone posted about seems to be trainwreck to gothik on the 19th Feb. I just looked through my sent items and the last one I sent was to Port on the 19th Feb....!?

I see that I sent out BC-3850 on the 18th, at 8:21 PM MST. I received it on the 18th, at 5:21PM. I'm pretty sure that is the 19th for Ulfang. If so, I'm not the hold up.

I guess we need to hear from GothikOrk to verify that it (3825) was sent on? If so, has Ulfang received and sent 3825 on? It sounds like Port has not seen 3825.....

The last one I sent (19th) was BC 3850. I've not received anything since then.

Ok, I know this will be a pain for me, but since I'm the admin it needs to be done.

Everyone please send me both the latest file they have received and the latest file that they have sent on. Once I've determined for sure whose turn it is supposed to be, I will try to contact them directly, and if they don't respond I will play their turn until they contact me or we find a substitute.

arangarx at hotmail dot com

Sent: Apocalypse_BC-3825_to_Game_Addy
Received: Apocalypse_BC-3825_to_mabeco

Sent the files earlier to you...same years as mabeco

Haven't received 3825 at all

For some reason I didn't get notified that there were replies to this.

As I said, the last ones I received was BC-3850, on Feb 18th, and I sent it on the same day.

Did we ever find the game?

I was waiting for everyone to reply. Thing about these forums is...supposedly you're only informed of the next post after your last post.

I'll look through what has been sent to me and the responses on the forum and see if we can get this train back on the rails.

Ulfang, it seems that gothik has had issues getting emails to you. He's going to try resending it to gav_rocks hotmail com.

Hopefully everyone is still around and we can get this going again.

More news on the front: It seems that ulfang's email is rejecting gothik's as spam...Ulfang, is there a chance you accidentally marked his email as spam?

Guys, I'll be in vacations from March 21st to March 30th, but I'm bringing my laptop with me.
So, keep turns falling into on my mailbox and whenever possible and get wireless connection I'll keep playing.

Maybe we'll have the game going again by time you get back.

Ulfang, it seems that gothik has had issues getting emails to you. He's going to try resending it to gav_rocks hotmail com.

Hopefully everyone is still around and we can get this going again.

More news on the front: It seems that ulfang's email is rejecting gothik's as spam...Ulfang, is there a chance you accidentally marked his email as spam?

Nope I checked my junk folder and there's nothing in there!? I was getting them before though so don't know what has changed. Maybe the lastest file should be sent to gavmundo@gmail.com so we can continue?

Maybe we'll have the game going again by time you get back.

For sure, I have faith in all us... :D

I'm back from vacations, but... :-(

Glad to see you're back, I hope you had a good time!

Are we ever going to find the game, or is this dead?

Was kind of wondering the same thing...do we know where it went dead...? I can send out my last turn to Gothik Ork and get this started again.....