OK, this isnt a thread for things you want to see in a prospective C5, but rather a thread where we can discuss the likelyhood of the title being made and if so, tthe likely release date. I know nothing whatsoever about the gaming industry, so any speculation and reasoning form people who do would be appreciated. things like

Likelyhood based on sales figures for Civ 4 etc

Well, as civ has been a real cash cow Civ 5 is likely to be a dead cert. If its profitable it'll be made.

How many years between civ 3 and 4? 4 years?

Reckon civ 5 will be a while!

yeah they probably wont mention civ 5 until after revolutions is out.

How long before release was Civ 4 confirmed, does anyone remember?

How long before release was Civ 4 confirmed, does anyone remember?

I think it was a 7-9 months in advance. I wouldn't expect a CIV 5 before next christmas. I would say most likely the summer or christmas of 2009. I surely do hope for this summer or christmas of course.

I am happy enought with CIV for now. Don't feel the need to buy a new installment (and a new machine to run it on) again just yet.

I am happy enought with CIV for now. Don't feel the need to buy a new installment (and a new machine to run it on) again just yet.


Yup, I still love CIV 3 and 4, but you can never get enough CIV-games to choose from. As long as it's a jump in the right direction, and not a dumbed down game (Like CIV revolutions with super hero look alike units and leaders). I wish Civilization 5 welcome. I guess I would buy any CIV-game from Firaxis, even if it came a new one every month! I'm an addict! :scan:

NB! I buy a new PC for every new CIV game too. I bought my first PC (386 25Mhz) back in 1991, just to be able to play the original Civilization! :D

I think it was a 7-9 months in advance. I wouldn't expect a CIV 5 before next christmas. I would say most likely the summer or christmas of 2009. I surely do hope for this summer or christmas of course.

They announced they were working on Civ 4 just after the last patch for 3, which was way more than 7-9 months. More like two years IIRC. That's a typical turnaround for a new game anyway. So I wouldn't expect to see Civ 5 out until at least 2009, possibly 10.

Hmm.... so its possible we may get some info shortly after Revolutions is released?

My guess is a spring 2010 release, as someone previously said there is typically 4-5 years between the games although I'd expect to see this shorten in the future.

If it is the same length as between 3 and 4 then we can expect it in summer 2009

When was Beyond the Sword announced?

Civ III: Nov 2001
C3: PTW: 2002 (not sure when...)
C3: Cons: 2003 (" ")
Civ IV: Nov 2005
C4 War: July 2006
C4 BTS: July 2007

So I would say if they don't realese another expansion pack for next year around July, then either Civ V is in the works for Nov 2009 or Civ Revolution is meant to be the replacement for the series...

But then think of the expansion packs...
Civ I: 0
Civ II: 1
Civ III: 2
Civ IV: 2*

Following the trend of the first 3 there should be one more in this. However following patterns doesn't work very well with video games (exept EA sports, it doesn't matter if they finish or not).

So following the patterns there should be the following releases:

Civ IV: 'Where no expansion has gone before' - July 2008
Civ V: Nov 2010

On the same topic there should be 8 new leaders for current civs and 14 new civs... Either that or 9 new leaders and 16 new civs. I didn't think that sounded right though.

there wont be another exp back for IV, IV gold has been released, anyway what more could be added?

Jesus its a long way to wait, I love Civ IV, but I wish V was in the works already...

There might be...

If you want to play the next generation of Civ games - you'll have to rely upon or buy a game console instead of your PC....

There might be...


I cant say for sure, but I really doubt it. They have their hand full with Revolutions, there seems to be nothing left to add, and they have released Civ IV complete. I just cant see another Exp pack

If you want to play the next generation of Civ games - you'll have to rely upon or buy a game console instead of your PC....

I dont really consider that civ though, its seem like Civ light with supowerhero charachters as units and vastly simplified gameplay. I'll probably get a go of it ans my son might buy it, but I'm not expecting much... I dont think its aimed at existing Civ fans TBH

It's a bit like Rise of Nation II, the original was good and then they . .. .. .. .ed it up with superhuman units...

I think they're going to see what happens with Revolutions before committing to a Civ5. I have to say, I've been reading the Revolutions previews on apolyton, and it's actually got some interesting concepts that would be neat to see applied to a serious Civ game...
In fact, one thing I would love to see come out of Revolutions is a move back to a "serious" look and feel for the mainline civ series. If they can get their desire for goofy leader-heads and cartoony units taken care of with Revolutions maybe they can make Civ5 epic instead of charming.

there wont be another exp back for IV, IV gold has been released, anyway what more could be added?


That means nothing. Neverwinter Nights had Platinum and Diamond versions. Gold is just a label. As for what more can be added, wouldn't that carry over to Civ 5 as well? I'm sure they could find something to improve it if they wanted to. Though personally, I don't think we'll be seeing another XP.

If you want to play the next generation of Civ games - you'll have to rely upon or buy a game console instead of your PC....

I doubt that very much. There's still a good market for PC games and Civ is one of the leaders in the format. They're not going to throw away their niche.

I doubt that very much. There's still a good market for PC games and Civ is one of the leaders in the format. They're not going to throw away their niche.

No, they are changing their "niche"

There have been some recent negotiations regarding the PC game side of the house but it seems there is an issue with the key "source code" of the game (NOT legal issues mind you, lol - more like "oh WHERE oh WHERE could it be" kind of thing)

Anyway, you'll find that Firaxis we all once knew will become MUCH MORE 2K driven and MUCH LESS "independant"

Anyway, you'll find that Firaxis we all once knew will become MUCH MORE 2K driven and MUCH LESS "independant"

Even 2K is more involved with PC games than many of the other companies. I really don't see them abandoning the platform anytime soon, especially with their financial problems. They're going to try to take advantage of any market they can. And with many of the other companies focusing more on consoles, that gives them a good opportunity to dominate the PC platform.

it's all speculation....

well, except for that part about the missing source codes, the negotiations for the Civ PC game by a third party, Firaxis having all but the current patch "assets" moved by EA and 2K to work on CivRev, and the fact that there's not even another expansion pack in the works............ much less a "Civ5"

Yup............ all we can do is speculate.

well, except for that part about the missing source codes, the negotiations for the Civ PC game by a third party, Firaxis having all but the current patch "assets" moved by EA and 2K to work on CivRev,.

Your sources are? And what does EA have to do with Civ:Rev, they've had no involvement in the game that I can see. It's been a strictly Firaxis/2K endeavour.

Civ 5, when bought, will completely outdate my computer. I might wait to update computer till i know what i need to get.

But The Civ 4 next expansion, I don't know what they haven't done yet for Civ...

Your sources are? And what does EA have to do with Civ:Rev, they've had no involvement in the game that I can see. It's been a strictly Firaxis/2K endeavour.

No hints, sorry - you're a smart guy with much more forum experience than me and a title bestowing you the ability to gain knowledge.

well........... ok, ONE little hint:

there are corporate forums across the net that shouldn't be as open as they are where details shouldn't be so flagrantly exposed.

Seek and yee shall find....

Years between releases doesn't really mean much, as it is becoming more and more common for companies to pump out sequels to successful franchises than paying (and taking the risk) to develop new ones. Expect to see more expansion packs for future games and shorter time between releases. I doubt it'll be 4-5 years between new games. Probably closer to 3-4.

So earliest would be this Christmas, which I doubt since we've got another expansion pack coming out. It's more likely we'll get it sometime around Q2 2009.

If you've read the Apolyton previews, and our own CivRev forum here, you know that DanQ and I were invited to Firaxis back in November for a special preview of CivRev. As an aside, one of the things we also learned was that Civ5 will be coming out for the PC, sometime in the future (no dates were openly mentioned). CivRev is not the new niche. It is an attempt to let more casual gamers experience a serious TBS game, and hopefully draw them to the PC versions.

If you've read the Apolyton previews, and our own CivRev forum here, you know that DanQ and I were invited to Firaxis back in November for a special preview of CivRev. As an aside, one of the things we also learned was that Civ5 will be coming out for the PC, sometime in the future (no dates were openly mentioned). CivRev is not the new niche. It is an attempt to let more casual gamers experience a serious TBS game, and hopefully draw them to the PC versions.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, thank you Firaxis... So this way they can kill Civ in CivRev and continue with the greatness which is the proper series. Christmas next year... if there are no new expansion packs.

If you've read the Apolyton previews, and our own CivRev forum here, you know that DanQ and I were invited to Firaxis back in November for a special preview of CivRev. As an aside, one of the things we also learned was that Civ5 will be coming out for the PC, sometime in the future (no dates were openly mentioned). CivRev is not the new niche. It is an attempt to let more casual gamers experience a serious TBS game, and hopefully draw them to the PC versions.


:) :) :) :) :D Happy Days! Appreciate you telling us that very much man! Great news!

But then think of the expansion packs...
Civ I: 0
Civ II: 1
Civ III: 2
Civ IV: 2*

Conflicts in Civilization, Fantastic Worlds, Multiplayer Gold. One could arguably also count Test of Time as an expansion pack. That's 3 or 4 expansions for Civ II, not just one. :)

If you've read the Apolyton previews, and our own CivRev forum here, you know that DanQ and I were invited to Firaxis back in November for a special preview of CivRev. As an aside, one of the things we also learned was that Civ5 will be coming out for the PC, sometime in the future (no dates were openly mentioned). CivRev is not the new niche. It is an attempt to let more casual gamers experience a serious TBS game, and hopefully draw them to the PC versions.

My most sincere appologies Padma if you misunderstood - no where did I say or even hint that console games were their new "niche"

I simply stated that Firaxis currently has ALL of it's personnel assets working on CivRev (as directed by EA/2K - the parent corporations) and that "there's not even another expansion pack in the works............ much less a "Civ5"

"in the works" meaning......... although there may be an idea or two being formulated - no one is working on them and there is yet to be anything "on the table"

There are other forums besides Apolyton about CivRev - including several 2K tester's forums......

2K representatives made their visit to Firaxis/Hunt Valley in December - after your visit perhaps?

No matter, the original question was "when" for Civ5 and the answer is "no one knows"
(nor is it currently being worked on)

I'd say it will be released in 2010. Either that, or 2009.

No matter, the original question was "when" for Civ5 and the answer is "no one knows"
(nor is it currently being worked on)


But he didnt say he did know, he just said it is coming at some stage

No hints, sorry - you're a smart guy with much more forum experience than me and a title bestowing you the ability to gain knowledge.

well........... ok, ONE little hint:

there are corporate forums across the net that shouldn't be as open as they are where details shouldn't be so flagrantly exposed.

Seek and yee shall find....

Frankly, it sounds to me like you know squat and are just trying to sound important. If you can't provide a viable link to where you're getting your info, you get no credibility from me.

sorry - no "baiting"

Fair enouhg. But you cant expect your claim to be taken seriously in that case my friend.

don't care as long as Poland is in it this time instead of some "HRE".

famous CFC quote:

HRE was not Holy, Roman nor an Empire

I still think a lot could be done with religions - inquisitions and such, plus they could always add more civs and leaders. I'd also like to see the new espionage system and corporations tightened up a little. This stuff could always be done with a new expansion, plus new scenarios and things.

Still, I doubt will see another expansion to Civ IV. It seems two expansions is about the norm.

If they are done with Civ IV, they've probably already started on Civ V. I think there will definately be a Civ V, and I'm sure they'll start doing the initial planning long before the announcement is ever made - that's probably happening now. Their crew is big enough that they can focus on multiple projects at one time, so I don't see a need for them to finish the console game first.

Still, I doubt will see another expansion to Civ IV. It seems two expansions is about the norm.

I think they could've done alot more in Civ 4. Imagine all the stuff bts brought into warlords for the first expansion. (i think that would've been fare) and a second expansion bringing in even more!

I think they could've done alot more in Civ 4. Imagine all the stuff bts brought into warlords for the first expansion. (i think that would've been fare) and a second expansion bringing in even more!

Per my last post, you won't get an any agruement from me. Still, I doubt we'll see another expansion.

If they have started development on Civ5, it's probably in the very early stages of development, seeing as they're working on CivRev right now, I say it would still be good 2 years from release. I'll go with sometime in 2010.

My money is on Civ 5 releasing for Christmas 2010 at the latest.

Two things...

1. Look at the Sims... How many expansion packs have they made...

2. If there isn't another expansion pack Poland won't be in the game for a long time. Sorry, but it is the truth. How many civs were cut between Civ III and Civ IV. They won't just add poland straight away in that case.

Two things...

1. Look at the Sims... How many expansion packs have they made...

2. If there isn't another expansion pack Poland won't be in the game for a long time. Sorry, but it is the truth. How many civs were cut between Civ III and Civ IV. They won't just add poland straight away in that case.

but Civ has never made more than two for an edition, IIRC

2. If there isn't another expansion pack Poland won't be in the game for a long time. Sorry, but it is the truth. How many civs were cut between Civ III and Civ IV. They won't just add poland straight away in that case.

Aaaw.... And Israel? Canada? AH? Will they be in? :mischief:

I guess not, what would be left to make pointless threads about in the last few weeks before release?

1. Look at the Sims... How many expansion packs have they made...


The Sims is the exception, not the rule. In my experience, most successful franchises only release about two expansions.

famous CFC quote:

That was around long before CFC.

Fair enouhg. But you cant expect your claim to be taken seriously in that case my friend.

May I suggest members who want to know send their queries directly to Jason at Firaxis regarding their "status?"

It's now been announced that Firaxis is even limiting CivRev to NOT include what's considered now to be the most popular gaming platform (based on consoles sold) - Wii - due to manpower constraints.
(MUCH to the dismay of the Wii community)

Jason says that.....
"Unlike many other Wii versions of games, the plan for CivRev Wii was to do it in-house at Firaxis, just like the DS, 360 and PS3 versions of the game. Unfortunately we came to the conclusion that Firaxis didn't have the manpower to do four versions of the game simultaneously and we didn't want the quality loss that comes from licensing out a port, so it was put on hold."

Once again - as posted previously, ALL of this information is "out there" (on the net, in open forums) with (very) little imaginative use of google and key-words.
(Just like Jason's from Firaxis quote above)

Having been a "PC Civ'er" from the beginning - even before Firaxis got the franchise, I'd hate to see the Civ series stop at Civ4 and it's expansion packs.
(I'm not a console player and never will be)

Credible - or incredible, as you may think I appear, knowledge is the key (believed or not believed)

Instead of "passive" accusations regarding my posts here in public (and in staying in-line with forum/board policies), I am available via private communication venues using tools on this board.

Feel free and I'll be glad to point you in the right direction

Jason says that.....
"Unlike many other Wii versions of games, the plan for CivRev Wii was to do it in-house at Firaxis, just like the DS, 360 and PS3 versions of the game. Unfortunately we came to the conclusion that Firaxis didn't have the manpower to do four versions of the game simultaneously and we didn't want the quality loss that comes from licensing out a port, so it was put on hold."

And what does that have to do with the possibility of a Civ 5 not being made for the PC? All it means is that it might be delayed for awhile until they finish off Civ: Rev. You're starting to remind me of one of those conspiracy theorists who make broad accusations but offer little proof to back up their claim.

once again - the people to ask are at Firaxis

specifically, Jason.

Once again, the people to ask are at Firaxis


BTW, you might want to do some checking on who owns who before you make start making erroneous connections. It just makes you look foolish when it's so easy to prove you wrong. As you can see by just a simple Wiki search, EA has nothing to do with 2K Games or Firaxis. So the whole basis of your argument just goes up in smoke with just a few mouse clicks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take-Two_Interactive

PS: And if that's not enough for you, here's the copyright notice from the BtS game disk itself:

Copyright 2006-2007 Take-Two Interactive Software and it's subsidiaries. Developed by Firaxis Games. Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword, Civ, Civilization, 2K: Games, the 2K logo, and Take-Two Interactive Software are all trademarks and/or registered trademarks of Take-Two Interactive Software Inc. in the USA and/or foreign countries.

Nowhere is EA games ever mentioned because they have absolutely nothing to do with the game or 2K Games, and hold no rights to them whatsoever. Nor do they have any control or say over Firaxis Studios, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive.

Save it for private

The question was (and remains) when to expect Civ 5

...... and NO one knows.

The question was (and remains) when to expect Civ 5

...... and NO one knows.

That doesn't mean that there won't be a Civ 5 though. I'm pretty sure there will be, as the Civ franchise is a money maker. Civ 4 was a top seller and any company would be foolish not to continue on with that success. If Take Two's not interested in doing it, they'll just sell the rights to someone else.

My humble prediction:
Civ5 Q3-4, 2009.

...and I want a free copy if I'm right.

I'd say december 2008 at the earliest, and Q3-4 2009 as the most likely. My guess is they've already started, and when the Revolutions crew have finished their work, they'll be joining the Civ5 crew, speeding up the development.

1. Look at the Sims...

Ack! :eek: I'd really rather not... The Sims is to the Sim franchise what something like Civ Revolutions is to the Civ franchise. If Revolutions becomes a whirlwind success you'll very likely never see another real Civ game. :sad:

If there is to be another Civ game it'll probably come out around 2010. Rumors, announcements, and forum posts from anyone (Civ developers included) mean nothing. If the bottom line shows there's more return on investment to be made elsewhere, that's where resources will go.

We're not in the 90s anymore... games are big business now. :( :sad: :mad:

Looks as if we'll at least get some news on this later in the year...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=261747

Save it for private

The question was (and remains) when to expect Civ 5

...... and NO one knows.

The Shadow knows..... and so does Sid.

Even Sid probably has only a vague notion. After all, right now the team is finishing up Civ:Rev, and there are some other things in the pipeline before Civ5 starts being developed in earnest. At most, he could probably say something like, "We're looking at late 2009", or whatever.

So has Civ 5 even been confirmed?

Perhaps not officially.

I will say that Sid and Barry made it clear to me that they intend to do Civ5. (When I visited Firaxis for the CivRev Preview.)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=261747

Ok, i know this is not official, but this will do for me, i think we can be quite sure to have a civ5 and will find out officially before the end of this year.

I don't know when it's coming out, but I do know that'll be about a year after that before I buy it; time to get the patches in and bugs out.

Can't we get Spore out before worrying on Civ 5?

...and I'm sure that Spore will slow down development of Civ5 (as nearly every game developer that I know will be playing it).