Can anyone create an Ironclad (I Know, there is already an ironclad in CivIII :crazyeye:.) Insted of being called an Irornclad It should be called an Iron Frigate (More advanced than the
Monitor-like ironclad in CivIII:king:.) It would be easyer to modify the existing Frigate. Just add an Iron hull, Remove the sails, and add smoke stacks.

There's an ironram already made - sounds like what you're talking about

There's an ironram already made - sounds like what you're talking about -zulu9812

I was talking about an Ironclad that looks simmiler to the Frigate. With only three diffrences.
1. The Iron Frigate has there sails down. (Usualy up when they ran low on coal.)
2. The Iron Frigate runs on steam hence the nead for smoke stacks
3. The Iron Frigate has Iron Pating.

I already have the Irornram(A.k.A. Merrimack/Virginia Class ironclad) The Irorn Frigate and the Ironram do not look the same.
Just incase if there is any mix ups with the differance of the Iron Frigate and the Ironram I have posted some pictures.

http://us.yimg.com/i/edu/ref/ebce/l/10880.jpg -French ironclad Gloire, engraving by Smythe after a painting by A.W. Weedon

http://www.boat-links.com/Ironclads/Worrier.gif -Warrior

http://www.klaus-kramer.de/Schiff/Panzerschiffe/Panzerschiffe_1/SG000647k.jpg -British irornclad HMS Agincourt underway, launched in 1865.

I hope that I have clarified everything and not have people be confused with the European Ironclads between the American Civil War Ironclads. :). Besides I have both the original Ironclad and Ironram have them only stay in the coast since if they stray into the ocean or seas they would sink. Just like what happened to the Merrimack and the Monitor. The Monitor foundered and sank in heavy seas off Cape Hatteras in Dec., 1862. Thus proving that the Ironclad (The Monitor and possibly the Merrimack) were not seaworthy. I was requesting an Ironclad that wa seaworthy that the European Major powers were building at the time. As I said before, I hope I have clarified about the differances between the Iron Frigate (European Ironclad) and the Ironclads in the American Civil War.

I'll have a go at doing an HMS warrior style Iron frigate, I like the era of sailing ships.
I don't have any acurate drawings so it won't be a perfect rendition of HMS warrior, but it should look passable

I'll have a go at doing an HMS warrior style Iron frigate, I like the era of sailing ships. I don't have any acurate drawings so it won't be a perfect rendition of HMS warrior, but it should look passable -Smoking mirror Thanks Smoking Mirror :D. I have found some Pictures of the HMS Warrior. Mostly it is from http://www.hmswarrior.org/ and other various websights http://www.hmswarrior.org/images/bow-on.jpghttp://www.hmswarrior.org/images/serv2.jpg http://www.darkriver.net/gallery/ships/warrior02.jpg

Model pictures from hand crafted ship models by Premier Ship Models (http://www.updateyourself.co.uk/premiershipmodels/listings/232.html)
http://www.updateyourself.co.uk/premiershipmodels/listings/232.jpghttp://www.updateyourself.co.uk/premiershipmodels/hmswarriordeckandriggingsview.jpg http://www.updateyourself.co.uk/premiershipmodels/hmswarriorsternanddeckview.jpg

Hope these pictures can help. :)

Call to Power II has a beautiful masted ironclad that would, I think, work perfectly for this. Of course, that suggestion is only helpful if you have seen the ship in Call to Power II. It reminds me of the CSS Stonewall with a turret. Anyway, thank you Smoking mirror for having a go at this. I have to agree with Civ General that the game needs an interm naval unit between turreted monitors and/or casemated ironclads and modern battleships.

hi civgeneral,

I was wondering if you were still working on the replibuc gunship/dropship? or have you abandoned the project all togerther?

I was wondering if you were still working on the replibuc gunship/dropship? or have you abandoned the project all togerther? -ephesians

I am still on the Republic Gunship. Progress is going slow since I still have to do the Turret attack and with a summer job kind of makes things slower.

HMS warrior

O.k. Iv'e finished the 3d Model; I've done the default and fidget animations- The death, Run and Attack animations will take a little longer, This one needs lots of smoke and a large render area(transparent objects slow rendering time, and with this unit, I've had to use my second biggest Flic size [225x150] because of the height of the ship).

Its not a perfect rendition of HMS warrior, but it makes a good generic Iron hulled warship.

Here is a shot of the model;

From that angle you can'trealy see the smoke stacks (their not very big in real life, I thought about enlarging them, but decided against it).
If any one has any sugestions now is the time to make them, before I do the more complicated animations.
Here is a 8 way preview of the unit at actual size;

And for anyone who wants to check the size of the unit against the other ships, or see what it looks like in their favourite civ colour;
Here is the Fidget Flic;

:eek: Wow. Its like I am looking at a model. Its like going to the Mystic Seaport and the HMS warrior Museum :D without leaving my home. http://www.auran.com/trainz/forum/images/drool.gif :love: I cant wait to set that unit sailing :D. Great Job Smoking Mirror :goodjob:.

If any one has any sugestions now is the time to make them, before I do the more complicated animations. -Smoking mirror The ship looks perfict :D. I would not change a thing :goodjob:.

Here is a drawing of the Spanish armored frigate Numancia, which was built in 1863. It's funnel is quite prominent.

Yes the Numancia has a single big funnel, while the Warrior has two smaller ones; The warrior wasn't the most advanced form of the Ironclad figate, but it was one of the first (as an english man I consider the french effort to be more of a prototype, HMS warrior featured much stonger armour and better guns, good british engineering ;) ). HMS warrior itself was obsolete within twenty years, but improved variants of the Ironclad frigate continued to be produced.

I think for game purposes the ironclad figate should have slightly higher Attack and deffence to the Iron-clad and with a higher cost (HMS warrior cost double a standard wooden frigate), and higher movement, to refect its improved seaworthiness.
It would be up to the player whether they wanted to build a huge fleet of slow moving monitor style ironclads or a smaller more costly fast reaction force of ironclad frigates, using armoured spearhad tactics to overcome thier deficiency in numbers (if you stack attacking ships, at the end of their turn, they can cover each other with defencive bombards.

Thanks for the feed back, should have it finished soonish.

Does anyone think there would be much utility for a dedicated mortar sloop? Most of the warships seem to have pretty poor bombard stats, so a dedicated bombardment vessel might work very nicely. They are also just neat little ships.

Smoking mirror, your armored frigate looks outstanding by the way. It's just that the Numancia and the CSS Alabama are two of my all time favorite ships.

As an Englishman, you can be quite proud of the job the Lairds did on ship No. 290.

If a few lines can be added to link the main mast to the one bow of the ship it will look even better. ;)

Originally posted by Dark Sheer
If a few lines can be added to link the main mast to the one bow of the ship it will look even better. ;)

I agree. But it looks great. recently added a steam frigate to the DyP and this will work beautifully.

From that angle you can'trealy see the smoke stacks -Smoking Mirror

Probhibly if someone has a good eye they might spot a little of the smoke stack.

I've got as far as doing the default fidget and run animations;
The smoke is very obvious in the run, it looks good.

Here is the RUN flic, for an update;

looks like a great unit :b:

Looking good Smoking mirror :goodjob:. Cant wait for the rest of the animations. :D

Nuts. Slow going on this one I'm afraid. Lots of transparrent objects and a large render area= long rendertime.
But still chugging along.
Heres the animation preview;

Nuts. Slow going on this one I'm afraid. Lots of transparrent objects and a large render area= long rendertime. -Smoking mirror

It happened to me when I was making the Republic Gunship. It taken me a week to finish just the Attack Animations on the Republic Gunship. Since I too had to use a large reder area :) . Anyway, cant wait for the completed Ship :goodjob:.

Wow, smoking mirror, that is GREAT work. Very nicely done. I look forward to the finished product.

I wonder when is Smoking Mirror's next update of the HMS Warrior. :)

Sorry this is taking so long, I'm working on this and a T34 project (T34/76, /85 and a SU100) as well as a light and heavy infantry units and I spent the week end at frogstock, a conceptual art and music festival my friend runs every year.
Any way should have this finished some time soon, I'm thinking of doing a smaller version bassed on the french ironcladfrigate and using HMS warrior as the British UU, that way the Man'o war can be used as it should be- a heavy ship of the line as used by nearly all european nations. The frigate is just a lighter version used in real life for escord and raiding type missions, kind of like a modern cruiser as compared to the Man 'o war which was more of a battle ship of the era.
I should be able to fit the smaller ironfrigate in to a smaller rendering area, so as to make the unit much faster.

The HMSwarrior is finished; you can find it in the finished modpacks/units forum.

CivGeneral, you got the idea/picture from Imperialism, didn't you? ;)

I don't think the Armored Frigate/Advanced Ironclad ever had much impact on naval combat... even Ironclads themselves had a fairly short lifespan before the large armoed hulls of the more modern Destroyers and Battleships came around. Good idea though, it would be a good fill-in unit. :)