This specialization and segregation has given rise to something akin to a Caste system, another reason the Kuriotates have such a stable central government. While the humans are the jack of all trades, each of the races have found their niche, dominating their own area. The Centaurs, the warrior caste, hold many high positions in the army, the Lamia wield great magical power, and command respect among the magi, and so on. Since all these subcultures owe allegiance to the king alone, they act, in their specialized roles, as an effective bulwark against the ambitions of human noblemen.

The Kuriorates are one of the most unique civilizations in the gmae. Their cities are huge, there gameplay very unique. I recently was reading their civilopedia entry. Many races make up the Kuriorates. It mentions only two, apart from humans, the Centaurs and Lamia. What are these other races?

It would be cool if the Kuriotates could choose the unit's race when they make it.

I've seen topics dealing with this before. A couple of suggestions I've seen involve randomizing the racial promotions of Kuriotate units and giving a small chance for a recently-built Kuriotate unit to come out as the UU of another civ (which would lead to the unfortunate practice of producing Champions until one of them turns out to be a Vampire...).

I suspect that this is something that will be dealt with when the Kuriotates start getting more customised units. Right now the art team seems to be focusing on Khazad/Luchuirp and Sidar.

We have in fact now that all are human. Even centaurs as they have no their own racial promo. :D Or they have?

I think that centaurs are in a bad harmony with big cities: horse-like creatures need a space.

We know that tailors and jewellers of K are best ones so they are good in handicraft (some dvarwes?).

I think that centaurs are in a bad harmony with big cities: horse-like creatures need a space.

I always assumed that the centaurs hang around in the countryside (there's enough of it in Kuriotate turf), while the humans, Lamias and so on are in the cities.

Well, the point of the Centaurs are to be fast-moving counterattackers, so they are not really meant to hang around so much in cities anyway.

/Thread Necromancy!

Currently, the Cavalry line is centaur-only, the presence of the Kuriotate Swordsman and Longbowman suggests Melee and Archery will be human, and Arcane is going to be Lamias (when they finally get animated). What does that leave us with? At the moment, Recon, Elephants and Siege

I have expressed elsewhere my hope for some sort of troll or friendly giant taking the role of a kuriotate war elephant, but recon? I could see some sort of little rat-like humanoid, similar to the kobolds in WoW, halflings or nezumi filling the scout role in the kuriotate army. Any thoughts?

yeah, probably good.

something like the lilliputians (ah, i know its not that) from pullman's dark materials, riding dragonflies... (would be a nice unique touch)

I like the lilliputians riding dragonflies idea. I think you could do a lot with that. There is a huge body of lore and gaelic myth around faeries too that could be interesting to tap into.

Of course, the big problem with dragonfly riders would be animating them...

Plus y'know, princess rule, so no fairies :p

Yeah, I'm afraid they wouldn't work so well. In addition to the princess rule, such tiny units would e very difficult to actually select (the opposite problem of dragons and giant spiders are too easy to select when trying to select a unit in the neighboring tile)

Click anywhere on the tile that a unit is in and you select it just fine. I was playing with some SUPER small units today and the only problem was actually remembering to look for them by the flag when in a forest.

What's the "princess rule"? I assume it means something along the lines of "Our fantasy realm is too dark and cynical to have fairy-tale princess things. I mean, really, who wants to have a psycho like Basium riding around on a unicorn?"

Anyway, I don't think I could possibly take the Kuriotates seriously if they sent pixies on dragonflies to scout out my lands. Honestly, you've got an apocalyptic death cult living next door to an army of vampires who are only being held off by a stringently-regimented martial society (these are the "Good" guys, of course), and suddenly a bunch of fairies come rushing in. It's just too incongruous.

What's the "princess rule"? I assume it means something along the lines of "Our fantasy realm is too dark and cynical to have fairy-tale princess things. I mean, really, who wants to have a psycho like Basium riding around on a unicorn?"

Yeah pretty much, Kael said at one point something along the lines of 'they didn't want anything that could appear on a little girl's bedroom wall.' :lol:

Man, having Basium riding a unicorn would be awesome. Especially if was a tiny pink pony with ribbons in its tail and mane. And had a star shaped mark on its body. I could just see him going around yelling girl power and sunshine and rainbows coming out of his sword. But no the wallpaper company said it isn't stylish enought to print and that it made the little girls cry.

Too bad. Also Basium had ribbons in his hair.

Dragging this thread back to its original purpose (again :p) what does everyone think of my 'little ratling thingies' idea?

Nah, for some reason that doesn't work for me. The current kurio races are all half-humans. centaurs are half human, half horse, lamia are half human half snake. If any more races were added they'd need to follow the ame pattern IMO. Shame that minotaurs are sheaim demons already.

So nezumi and WoW kobolds aren't half-human/half-rat? :p

Strictly speaking, the fauns should be Kurio recon units as well as FoL, IMO. However, since that is out of the question, maybe amazons?

I think the fauns were originally designed for the kurios but Kael desided to use them to replace FOL archers.

So nezumi and WoW kobolds aren't half-human/half-rat?

I have no idea what nezumi is and I've (thankfully) never played WoW. I just think that rat-men aren't very Kuriotate IMO. Kurio races are all from greek mytholgy I think.

AFAIK Lamia were never in greek mythology. Though it is an interesting idea.

Cyclopces for War elephants
Nymphs for Recon/Druid
Gorgons for archers
humans for melee

What types of nymphs? There are quite a few.

I imagine Dryads. The Naiads (or Nerieds) are probably Danalin's extinct race, or at least similar to it. I am unaware of the other types.

There are Alseids, Auloniads, Crinaeae, Dryads, Hamadryads, Hesperides, Limnades, Meliae, Naiads, Napaeae, Nereids, Oceanids, Oreads and Pegaeae.

There are Alseids, Auloniads, Crinaeae, Dryads, Hamadryads, Hesperides, Limnades, Meliae, Naiads, Napaeae, Nereids, Oceanids, Oreads and Pegaeae.

Well, a definition of each would be much more helpful, but I had no idea there were so many. I guess jusy dryads would work, though I think we could put some more in there;)

I see a Dryad as a Druid UU

If only we could use a proximity mechanic to allow an "elf tree" that I remember from some random mythos I have read. The closer to it the elves are, the stronger they are (and if they go more than eyeshot away from it they become pathetically weak). THEN we could have some interesting Dryads :)

If only we could use a proximity mechanic to allow an "elf tree" that I remember from some random mythos I have read. The closer to it the elves are, the stronger they are (and if they go more than eyeshot away from it they become pathetically weak). THEN we could have some interesting Dryads :)

Perhaps dryads could spawn from a buildable improvment, A DDryad Grove. The Grove could spawn Dryads (who would be weaker than normal druids, but can have more). Dryads would be considered summoned units that last 3 turns. When within 3 tiles of the Grove, the Dryad's lifespan would be rejuvenated. Thus, Groves would have many dryads, while they would go only a short distance to heal/improve the land.

Yggrasidl could have a similar mechanic.

Alseids
Nymphs of glens and groves. Enjoy frightening travellers.
Auloniads
Nymphs of mountain pastures and vales. Associated with Pan (god of shepherds and flocks, of mountain wilds, hunting and rustic music).
Crinaeae
Fountain nymphs.
Dryads
The nymphs of oak trees.
Hamadryads
Nymphs who are bound to one tree. If the tree dies, the hamadryad bound to it dies also.
Hesperides
Nymphs who tend a garden in (the Greek idea of) a far western corner of the world.
Limnades
Nymphs of freshwater lakes, children of river or lake gods.
Meliae
Nymphs of the ash tree.
Naiads
Nymphs of fountains, wells, springs, streams, and brooks.
Napaeae
Shy but joyful nymphs who live in wooded valleys, glens or grottoes and are associated with Artemis (goddess of forests, hills and hunting).
Nereids
Fifty daughters of Nereus, a Titan associated with the seas, who live in a cave in the Aegean Sea with their father. Sea nymphs.
Oceanids
Three-thousand daughters of Oceanus and Tethys, each one the patroness of a spring, river, ocean, lake, pond, pasture, flower or cloud.
Oreads
Nymphs of mountains, valleys and ravines. Each mountain has its own set of oreads. They are associated with Artemis.
Pegaeae
A type of Naiad that live in springs.


There we go, a summary of nymphs.

Perhaps Hamadryads would fit the Kuriorates the most. Water nymphs are most likley associated with Danalin, Napaeae and Oreads are more likley to be with FoL. The hesperides are probably not in Erebus (Maybe in another plane, like Sucellus').

The "People of the Mer" would probably be the Thraxian civilization (the one that Danalin loved but could not save), but I probably wouldn't identify them with water nymphs. I see all the nymphs as more related to Amathaon, the goddess of creation and the patron of the Kuriotates. They are probably her angels or elementals, although some may belong to Succellus, Cernunnos, Danalin, or even Kilmorph. I don't see why Oreads would be FoL, since they aren't related to trees but to landforms.

Several of these could probably be adapted to the recon line. I don't even see a problem with giving them some of the water nymphs as UUs with water walking. This could be very useful if they can't get close enough to the sea by the time they have built all their real cities.

Edit: the Aifons were Danalin's favored sea people. I don't think we've been told who the Thraxians were yet.

I'd definitely say hamadryads were affiliated to Sucellus or Cernunnos. I didn't include it above, but since they're bound to a particular tree, hamadryads will punish those who cut down trees and guard their tree. Which is very FoL. Napaeae are very congruent with the lighter side of the FoL, the frolicking around in groves and being wary of outsiders in a non-murderous-hillbilly kind of way.
Kilmorph's nymphs would probably be oreads, due to their association with mountains, valleys and ravines.
The most likely affiliated with the Kuriotates, I think, would be Hesperides. The idea of tending, nurturing and looking after a blissful garden fits quite well with the Kuriotate idea of raising, protecting and maintaining metropoleis.
As for Danalins merfolk, they'd probably be dissimilar to nymphs in that nymphs represent the spirit of a place or a thing, and his merfolk seem more to be an actual race, more similar to the other races of Erebus than the almost-elemental nymphs. Kind of like you wouldn't expect treants to be a race.

Perhaps introducing dryads/hamadryads for FoL, and putting fauns/satyrs (back) in with the kurios?

AFAIK Lamia were never in greek mythology. Though it is an interesting idea.

For the record, I assumed lamia and Gorgons were essentially the same thing

Do Lamia have snakes in their hair/snakes for hair?

There are the Lamiai, female daimons (supernatural beings between mortals and gods, such as inferior divinities and ghosts of dead heroes), in Greek mythology. They're described as half-woman, half-serpent; but in that they had legs like snakes' tails. They disguised themselves as beautiful women with illusions and lured young men to their beds, then revealed their true forms and ate them.

I wouldn't know, but they do have the lower body of a snake. Besides the descriptions of mythological creatures tend to vary. I did say essentially the same.

Well, the behaviour of gorgones and lamiai is always said to differ (even though lamiai are later described as spectres in the service of Hecate). Lamiai are always described as seducers of young men, the quivalent of succubi; and gorgones are varyingly described with golden wings, boar's tusks and brass claws, but seeing their face always turns the viewer to stone.

Perhaps dryads could spawn from a buildable improvment, A DDryad Grove. The Grove could spawn Dryads (who would be weaker than normal druids, but can have more). Dryads would be considered summoned units that last 3 turns. When within 3 tiles of the Grove, the Dryad's lifespan would be rejuvenated. Thus, Groves would have many dryads, while they would go only a short distance to heal/improve the land.

Yggrasidl could have a similar mechanic.

Whats with the recon there? :p

Could anybody give a link to topic or simply explane "who is Lorda?" :blush:

Could anybody give a link to topic or simply explane "who is Lorda?" :blush:

Read Eurabatres' civilopedia entry ;)

Read Eurabatres' civilopedia entry ;)

thanks!
but wiki is 404 now, I`ll try later. :(

Try here (http://phrasr.com/ffh/pedia.php?p=UNITCLASS_EURABATRES)

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Cardith Lorda is the Boy-King whose mind has merged with that of Eurabatres, the Golden Dragon, the strongest of all beings created by angels (but not as strong as Angels created by the One)

Often it seems like the name Cardith applies to the kind-heated boy himself, whereas Lorda refer to this tougher side; thus, Lorda is Eurabatres.

Cardith Lorda is a child who has been linked to or possessed by Eurabatres the Golden Dragon. Since the compact limits the actions that the Dragons can take on the world (as direct servants of the angels), he uses the connection with the child to circumvent some of the restrictions of the compact.

EDIT: I have to remember to check for a second page when I post.... Anyway, if you want to read the Pedia without loading the game, look at the link in my sig "Online Civlopedia"

Certainly not possessed. But linked indeed. Precisely how closely is not certain.

Whats with the recon there? :p

Ye, not that that wouldn't be a cool mechanic, but as far as a recon line for kurios goes, not being able to travel far from your tree is a pretty big killer :rolleyes:

AFAIK Lamia were never in greek mythology. Though it is an interesting idea.


It's greek. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamia_(mythology))

Maybe I'm too new to FfH for my opinion to count, but I like the idea of a creature with the stereotype personality of a rat, since rats end up everywhere. Satyrs and Fauns are very foresty, and while Nymphs are everywhere, they're location spirits, not explorers. Shame there doesn't seem to be anything Greek that fits the bill, because I do like the Mediterranean flavor of Centaurs and Lamias. Maybe we could branch out to neighboring mythologies and find something.

I'de be happy with that. and TBox, noone is to new to Ffh for thier opinion to count. one of the great things here is that nearly all opinions will find a response, working out kinks and the like.

Kallikantzaroi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallikantzaros). Not a good fit by itself, but it does say, "In Greek Kallikantzaros is also used for every short, ugly and usually mischievous being," which in my opinion gives us license to graft whatever personality we like on the guys, especially since they're unknown enough to most of our audience they won't have many preconceptions anyways.

Good, bad, ugly?

Defiantly not a good fit. This would basically be an ugly, evil goblin, even though some think the word originally meant "beautiful centaur" (which would imply they are/were the same race as the cavalry line).


I still think I prefer Dryads for Druids, but I also Fenboy's idea of Mustevals for the recon line . These are "ferret-men" Guardinals from D&D's outer plane of Elysium.. These are basically minor angels that serve as spies and messengers for greater angels (/Guardinals) and humanoid heroes.

Defiantly not a good fit. This would basically be an ugly, evil goblin, even though some think the word originally meant "beautiful centaur" (which would imply they are/were the same race as the cavalry line).


Well, my thought was Lamia used to be bloodsucking monsters, so...

But yeah, I slept on it and they're not a good fit.

He didn't directly intervene with powers, he just sat around giving advice, effectively. As for being the strongest, 23 strength is nothing compared to Mulcarn's Dragon. Mulcarn's dead, but that 80 strength dragon could still be hanging around somewhere. That's a scary thought, much scarier than the horsemen or the avatar.

Except that in AoI the "units" were much smaller than units in regular FfH. so that dragon may only be 20 str in more "modern" times.

Except that in AoI the "units" were much smaller than units in regular FfH. so that dragon may only be 20 str in more "modern" times.

Nice catch, that makes sense.

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