View Full Version : What major fuel(s) will the world be using for energy in 2100?
Narz Feb 04, 2008, 10:16 PM First off, thanks to Thunderfall for taking me up on my awesome idea! :thanx:
So anyway, what do you guys think will be the dominant fuels for...
A : electricity production?
B : transportation?
C : manufacturing? - what will stuff be made out from? For example today one could answer : plastic & other synthetic chemicals, wood, cotton, metals; in the future perhaps hemp & some new synthetics will be used to make plastics & perhaps other products such as clothing & paper.
Happy February! :snowlaugh:
Irish Caesar Feb 04, 2008, 11:07 PM Electricity production will be a combination of solar and nuclear. We'll have a thorium cycle up and running by then. We'll still have coal, of course, but it'll be kinda embarrassing to be using it by then.
Transportation will be electrical, mostly.
Abgar Feb 04, 2008, 11:16 PM First off, thanks to Thunderfall for taking me up on my awesome idea! :thanx:
So anyway, what do you guys think will be the dominant fuels for...
A : electricity production?
My guess would be mostly nuclear and solar, with some wind and hydro as well as coal.
B : transportation?
Electrical
C : manufacturing? - what will stuff be made out from? For example today one could answer : plastic & other synthetic chemicals, wood, cotton, metals; in the future perhaps hemp & some new synthetics will be used to make plastics & perhaps other products such as clothing & paper.
My guess would be more synthetics, but not many major differences.
zxcvbnm Feb 05, 2008, 07:35 AM A: Fusion perhaps, PBMR + Transmutation nuclear, microwave (solar from satellites)
B: Electric or hydrogen as energy storing. Synthetic hydrocarbons perhaps in some cases
C: Carbon-based nanostructures, composites and metals, specifically designed biomaterials and bio-imitating materials
rmxtrax Feb 05, 2008, 09:55 AM First off, thanks to Thunderfall for taking me up on my awesome idea! :thanx:
So anyway, what do you guys think will be the dominant fuels for...
A : electricity production?
B : transportation?
C : manufacturing? - what will stuff be made out from? For example today one could answer : plastic & other synthetic chemicals, wood, cotton, metals; in the future perhaps hemp & some new synthetics will be used to make plastics & perhaps other products such as clothing & paper.
Happy February! :snowlaugh:
A: Nuclear for big cities and wind. hydro and solar satellites for the rest
B: depens on what do you mean for trasportation: probable spacecraft will use nuclear instead cars will use electric
C: I agree with zxcvbnm
Irish Caesar Feb 05, 2008, 03:16 PM B: depens on what do you mean for trasportation: probable spacecraft will use nuclear instead cars will use electric
What sort of nuclear do you have in mind? A reactor powering a vehicle tends to be heavy, especially when shielding is taken into account. The Soviet Union experimented with nuclear-powered aircraft, but abandoned the idea as it wasn't particularly practical.
For all I know, the United States did the same.
Now, if you mean RTGs, there would still be a considerable amount of shielding involved, but they run themselves. That being the case, though, we need to come up with some more plutonium... which is doable.
rmxtrax Feb 06, 2008, 07:20 AM What sort of nuclear do you have in mind? A reactor powering a vehicle tends to be heavy, especially when shielding is taken into account. The Soviet Union experimented with nuclear-powered aircraft, but abandoned the idea as it wasn't particularly practical.
For all I know, the United States did the same.
Now, if you mean RTGs, there would still be a considerable amount of shielding involved, but they run themselves. That being the case, though, we need to come up with some more plutonium... which is doable.
I mean anti-matter/matter reactor. It's light, powerful and doesn't produce radiactions. Perfect but we will have it in a far future
Disenfrancised Feb 06, 2008, 11:50 AM I mean anti-matter/matter reactor. It's light, powerful and doesn't produce radiactions. Perfect but we will have it in a far future
Anti-matter isn't really a source of power, as it takes at least as much energy to create it as is produced on annihilation. It would be a very powerful method of storing energy, rather than producing it.
Also it produces a fair bit of gamma-rays, so its not exactly clean either ;).
zxcvbnm Feb 06, 2008, 11:58 AM Anti-matter isn't really a source of power, as it takes at least as much energy to create it as is produced on annihilation. It would be a very powerful method of storing energy, rather than producing it.
Also it produces a fair bit of gamma-rays, so its not exactly clean either ;).
Except if it's towed from outer space, where it exists (c'mon, it must be somewhere). Ships can be powered with their cargo and it would make a lot of energy down here. Just need FTL or warp drive.
Irish Caesar Feb 06, 2008, 01:54 PM Except if it's towed from outer space, where it exists (c'mon, it must be somewhere). Ships can be powered with their cargo and it would make a lot of energy down here. Just need FTL or warp drive.
How do you store anti-matter?
;)
rmxtrax Feb 06, 2008, 02:07 PM Anti-matter isn't really a source of power, as it takes at least as much energy to create it as is produced on annihilation. It would be a very powerful method of storing energy, rather than producing it.
Also it produces a fair bit of gamma-rays, so its not exactly clean either ;).
you've exactly what i had said before :rolleyes:
We will use antimatter only to trasport energy on spaceships not to produce it for the cities
For the gamma-rays we will create somthing to trasform them in energy ;)
How do you store anti-matter?
;)
With electromagnetic cells
Ball Lightning Feb 09, 2008, 11:24 PM Solar and Electricity.
Fugitive Sisyphus Feb 11, 2008, 10:32 PM How do you store anti-matter?
;)
In a flux-capacitor.
Souron Feb 11, 2008, 11:29 PM How do you store anti-matter?
;)In an electrically charged box. You don't use actual anti-matter, only anti-helium nuclei. Give the box a negative charge and the anti-matter will stay inside.
lordqarlyn Feb 14, 2008, 05:26 PM Everything I have read on anti-matter, it costs as much energy to produce as we will get out of it. Perhaps that will change in the future, but for now anti-matter looks like an unviable option. I vote for solar, and hydrogen (only the most common element in the universe)
Except if it's towed from outer space, where it exists (c'mon, it must be somewhere). Ships can be powered with their cargo and it would make a lot of energy down here. Just need FTL or warp drive.
Based on cosmic ray studies, they are overwhelmingly matter, which is unusual, because whenever a particle is created, the anti-particle is created as well. This strongly suggests the universe is mostly matter, and not anti-matter. Why, is the big mystery.
GoodGame Feb 14, 2008, 08:35 PM I think it will be in waves, that last as long as the reservoirs.
Oil will probably lose popularity within 50 years, and largely be replaced by coal
I expect natural gas will gain in popularity a short while, but be depleted fast and lose popularity as fast as oil.
I'm betting a combination of nuclear energy, hydrogen, and cellulosic ethanol will gain popularity as coal becomes depleted in a couple of centuries, and possibly sooner if their utility improves greatly.
Solar and windfarms are a long-shot I believe, but will grow steadily.
Anyway for Transportation----oil will dominate until hydrogen is made safe. Lightweight hybrid electric automobiles will become standard for private ownership, and probably the average size of them will shrink to similar to Euro-size.
For general electricity----I'd bet coal and nuclear will duel it out; Not sure who will win, but I think nuclear will win. I'd expect that electrical bills will get more expensive, though, and lots of private uses will move to public (e.g. internet cafes). Bigger is better will be out except for public businesses.
For manufacturing, I think anything but oil and natural gas will be used.
lordqarlyn Feb 15, 2008, 04:18 PM Here in Arizona, solar is becoming very real, very popular, very fast. The two major utility companies offer generous rebates or credits if your home generates more electricity than it needs. Solar panels are still expensive for now though.
Deep Thought Feb 20, 2008, 04:19 AM How do you store anti-matter?
It's impossible to store anti-matter, since the storage must be matter, and anti-matter and matter destroys each other.
brennan Feb 20, 2008, 07:28 AM It's impossible to store anti-matter, since the storage must be matter, and anti-matter and matter destroys each other.
See above. Simple electrostatics.
Luckymoose Feb 22, 2008, 03:39 AM Go juice made from the people who didn't make it...
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