Term 3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23763)

President: Chieftess
Vice President: Strider

Presidential Office Workers -

Presidential Advisory Board: (To Be Decided)
Press Secretary: (To Be Decided)

I am pleased to be able to serve as President of Phoenatica for Term 4. The term begins with the continuing war against the Greeks, which may be finished within the next few years, or decades. Term 3 saw the completion of our National Railway System, several great wonders, and a global war, The Second Domino Wars. Now is the time to modernize our nation, and choose the road to victory. Amazing new technologies are being researched that will allow us to take to the skies, and send messages over great distances without the need for miles of electric lines!

We are entering a new era, one in which we look to lead the world. We must make our plans now, for the future of our people!

The Presidential Department is pleased to open discussion on the following topics: (Unlinked topics are being made)

Winning the modern wonder wars. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26165)
What victory condition should we pursue? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26236)
How should we best develop the unused land in our nation? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26237) (Internal Development Program - IDP)

Congratulations Chieftess! I hope we can add "Secretary General" to your title soon.

Another honor rank:

Disorganizer: He already holds the phoicitian(bad headache so I know I mispelled it) star with oakleaves and swords. The two ranks you can chose are:

Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

Please PM them to me as soon as possible. Thank you

Congratulations Ms. President!

I applaud your initiative in going to the people for plans for the coming term. Good luck and always keep an eye on the constitution. ;)

The President's Office offers two jobs for our citizens:

Press Secretary -

Attends chats, and creates news from the turn chat proceedings, as well as demogame discussions, polls, and events. These news pieces will be given to ThunderFall for placement on CFC's front page!

Presidental Advisory Board -

They will advise the President and cabinet on any unfinished work, missing links/items in posts, completed polls, or late discussions. This is so that none of the elected officals get caught off-gaurd. They will advise/warn the president and the cabinet if they made an illegal descision, or failed to update their required threads.

[ scribble scribble scribble ]

I like your idea for the Press Secretary and the Presidental Advisory Board. How are you going to decide who gets the jobs (another poll/election?). Good luck!

I would like to congratulate Strider on becoming the next Vice President!

Pheonix, if there's more than two, then it will most likely go to a vote.

My fellow Phoenaticans, I am pleased to announce that our offensive against the Greeks has ended! Our goals have been met, and the Greeks agreed to our terms for their surrender - Pharsolis, 1 worker, 10 gold, world map, and a map or their territory. I am also pleased to announce that a Great Leader, Darius, has come from our Immortal Division!

Another great and glorious day for Phoenatica. I salute you, Ms. President. Your battlefield strategies have once again proven supreme. The Domestic Department stands behind you.

Go Madame President! You should make a great and worthy leader of everyones support. This is really a great day worth of celebrating, Madame President.
From Waterz, Govenor of New Cormyr and Dep. Trade MP

As if this day couldn't get any better...

The Presidential Office would like to congratulate SuperCiv for becoming our 100th citizen! A very fitting name for #100!

I beg u to read thru the proposals for the city of delphi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=361207#post361207), as i do not know when my governor will be available again. He has been missing almost since the beginning of the term.

Chieftess, it appears we have a situation on our hands. The Province of Kashmir is in dire straits as changes and rushes in the build queues should occur there, but the newly elected Governor to Kashmir has not been seen. Mayor Disorganizer has duplicated the above message in the Domestic Department thread, therfore I believe this situation needs to be addressed immediately. As Mayors are not permitted to override their Governors, nor post instructions in the Instructions thread, I see Disorganizer's only option being to turn to the Department of Culture for assistance. If the DOC deems the changes and rushing necessary, I will not only be happy to comply, but legally able to do so. Yer thoughts?

tnx for you proposal, cyc. i now also posted there. i think you are right that the culture department is the only one to override the queues legally.

i sill want to have some workers in my backyard, which is your responsibility ;-)

And where did you read that, my friend and fellow Mayor in Kashmir?

The Pres herself may also override any/all queues with a Council Vote. Seeing as the gov is absent I don't think it would be hard to get an affirmative vote.

Cyc, I will notify the Department of Culture now.

Someone (anyone) can post a proposal for build queues and city optimizing. If the proposal gains citizen support this can also be used to justify changes to the build queues. This is what we did for Ameri at the end of term 3.

I've started a poll calling for a City name change in my province, just thought i better make sure I can do that!! It's my first week as Governor and the constitution says I can request name changes, but I may have misread it. If I have, let me know so I can either do whatever to make it legal or ask for it to be removed. Wouldn't want to find my name on the Public Investigations thread!!!!

Dear Madame President and Cabinet Members, can I request a name change within my province, i was wondering can i change Macao to Seanoria, Thankyou for your consideration.

Your public poll is all you need, Waterz. Once that poll is complete and affirmative, put the name change instructions in the turn chat instruction thread.

The Presidential Office would like to congratulate SuperCiv on being our 100th citizen! Such a fitting name for #100!

I have posted an addition to our PEP here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=362703#post362703

It's to hopefully assist the CAP in taking those occupied Greek cities.

I am pleased to announce that the new Constitution is now in effect. Part of the President's duties, as defined in our new standards, is to appoint people to vacant leadership positions. There are 3 positions that require appointments: Public Defender and Provincial Governors for the Capital Province and Province #7. Appointments will need to be confirmed in a Confirmation Council Vote.

I see Shaitan beat me to it. ;)

Ok, as you know, the new constitution has recently been accepted.

The 3 new positions are:

Public Defender:
Provincial Governor for the capital province, Istar:
Provincial Governor for province #7:

- These slots will be filled as the positions are accepted per a council vote.

Chieftess, thank you for your help with Kashmir Province build queues.

I realize the new Constitution is in effect now, so apparently you need to appoint a new Governor for Istar Province. I have already drawn up the build queues for Istar Province for Wednesday's chat. If you want them or need them just ask.

I would like to call support of our government for kashmir province. As the governor will be gone unitl the 13th (minimum), we really need a authority to handle the province business if we dont want the whole province to riot and declare independance.

I would propose cyc as interim governor for kashmir, as he know the situation there very well and also was the runner-up for the election (i think and have to time to look up).

As i still try catching up on posts, i hope my new proposals for delphi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=364628#post364628) will be implemented.

Originally posted by disorganizer
I would like to call support of our government for kashmir province. As the governor will be gone unitl the 13th (minimum), we really need a authority to handle the province business if we dont want the whole province to riot and declare independance.

I would propose cyc as interim governor for kashmir, as he know the situation there very well and also was the runner-up for the election (i think and have to time to look up).

As i still try catching up on posts, i hope my new proposals for delphi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=364628#post364628) will be implemented.
Cyc (as Domestic Leader) is the interim governor of Kashmir during the governor's absence as an acting governor was not appointed. Reference COL C-2-f-(4); COS J-2.

The people wanted Civanator to be Governor of Kashmir. That's why he was Elected. If they wanted me, I would have been Elected. Now you want me to be Governor of the Province I was booted out of, for a Governor who ran for office when he didn't have access to the game? Something stinks in Phoenatica, and it ain't me...

I nominated fephisto for trade, and he didn't know his Civ3 didn't work... He has Win XP, which I think has issues with Civ3.

Obviously, you're unaware that I had already addressed that situation, CT

Well i have Windows XP and mine works fine. But now he is going to resign and he's is leaving me Trade Leader, which leaves me unready so i need tips on how to handle this department.

Well, start by setting up an office of some descirption in Asphinxia!!

@Cyc,Ct:
1) but someone has to handle it. but i also think shaitan already pointed out who ;-). finally, its good the new constitution is in place. nevertheless, cyc, you would be only interim governor till civ returns
2) xp is no issue with civ3

Originally posted by Cyc
The people wanted Civanator to be Governor of Kashmir. That's why he was Elected. If they wanted me, I would have been Elected. Now you want me to be Governor of the Province I was booted out of, for a Governor who ran for office when he didn't have access to the game? Something stinks in Phoenatica, and it ain't me...
Heck, yeah! I'd much rather have you running the province. My personal preference aside, the Domestic Leader position is the fill in governor for just such an emergency.

URGENT!

There's been a family emergency in my family - my grandfather is having some medical problems (some think it might be a stroke). I don't know if I will be here or not the rest of the week (depends on how things turn out).

As for the game, the VP, Strider, isn't here to take my place if need be. If in the event I can't post or attend the turn chats do to the family emergency, the CoC would fall to Strider. However, Strider has been absent for some time, and if that's the case, (Science hasn't voted in the council vote either, I don't think), the CoC would fall to Cyc.

I have to keep it short for now... gotta go.

the CoC would fall on Cyc. :lol: Interesting way to phrase that! :lol:

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Originally posted by Chieftess
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Falls ON Cyc instead of falls to Cyc. ;)

Has there been any word from the VP? If this is another assasination attempt, I believe we must find and punish the perpetrators.

Hope you Grandfather is alright, Chieftess.:(

Nominations for governor of New Cormyr will be accepted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26776).

My fellow Phoenaticans, once again, troubles come to the steps of Phoenatica. The Iroquois, who we thought were our friends, and a favored nation, blitzed our fine city of PDX, and is preparing to invade Asphinxia! We saw a buildup of forces along the mountains of Kashmir, but we know now that the build up was a farce! We were able to retake PDX, but it lost its' cultural centers in the battle.

As President of Phoenatica, I am signing a formal declaration of war against Iroquois. We are now at war. I urge all citizens to be viligent, as you were with the war against Greece.

It's just cos I didn't wanna give em gold, thats all it is!! 'Lets go get that stingy guy from Asphinxia Hiawatha', grumble.

One must not also forget the danger to the province of Scythia. It shares borders with the Iroquois federation's homeland.

It's ok Governor, we will see it to that the Iro. stack is expelled from your province.

Well, OK then. But we have to make them suffer in some horrible, horrible way.

Nevermind I said anything up there. I screwed up my locations, mixing up the Aztecs and Iroquios. I'm still concerned about Babylon, though.

Yeah, looks like we can't trust anyone, we need to take care not to leave a pathetic defence in our newer provinces like Scythia while defending the currrent threat. It may be the Iros draw someone like Babylon into the war and we're caught with our pants down.

I am sorry for being gone, but someone took a blowtorch to my computer. I will try to get updated as soon as possible and take my role as VP.

~Strider~

Madame President,

There have been disturbing calls for the institution of a national draft. The citizens of Istar feel that our all volunteer force. which has served us well for millenia, can more than meet the current threat. I urge you not to impress our young men and women into military service.

donsig
Governor of Istar
Mayor of Fox Nest

The Domestic Department is requesting information from the Office of the President. We have not heard from the Governors of Ameri or New Cormyr Province. We know efforts are being made to replace these Governors, but these attempts may held up due to the Judicial Process. But the Provinces still go without Leadership, and this is not fair to the citizens who live there. While our people suffer from absentee Senators, we talk about being nice and accomodating to these Leaders.

The Domestic Department needs to know whether build queues should be posted for these two Provinces by the Deputy Domestic Leader. As the Domestic Leader, I feel we should be doing this starting with today's turn chat so we can get them back on the right road as far as production goes. They have been drifting for weeks now.

I ask that the President give the Domestic Department authority to post new build queues for these Provinces, or confirm the current directive of abandoment.

I would add that being a Governor is more than build ques!! However, they are the most tangible role of Governor and need to posted for the game to work. Yes, the domestic department could decide in the turnchat what to build, but it is much better to have them available for scrutiny (as Cyc is proposing I think).

Dear Mrs. President,

i dont want to be picky on this issue, but i still have and outstanding rank-inrcrease request hanging over from the last turn (not to mention my promised raise in salary).
meaning:
last term, i was nominated a second time for the phoenatican ztar, which must result in a increas of rank for this honour i already hold.

Tnx,
Dis

Here's a thread for citizen input on build queues for Ameri and New Cormyr. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27275)

Originally posted by disorganizer
Dear Mrs. President,

i dont want to be picky on this issue, but i still have and outstanding rank-inrcrease request hanging over from the last turn (not to mention my promised raise in salary).
meaning:
last term, i was nominated a second time for the phoenatican ztar, which must result in a increas of rank for this honour i already hold.

Tnx,
Dis

The next city we build shall be named by you, since you're an honored citizen. :) Cyc has noted that Daaraa, you, and SKILORD hold the honors (as well as those being voted on). Daaraa is up for a city name, and a new city (perhaps near Phillapelphia) will be named by you.

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As I type, our tanks are rolling across the Iroquois lands, and our infantry have special tanks of their own, called Mechinized Infantry. These are said to be the best defenders in the land! However, the Iroquois have recently brought China into the war, in an apparent attempt to widen, and cause another world war. The Chinese have a MPP with the Zulus, who in turn have a MPP with Rome.

@ct:
i didnt mean the naming right ;-) my gain up in phoenatican ztar-rank which is due.


At the moment, its:
phoenátikán ztár with Oakleaves and Swords

and should be promoted to at lease:
Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds (i think) or higher (if you like).

since i got nominated and voted for the same honour a second time in the middle of last turn.

Originally posted by Chieftess
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As I type, our tanks are rolling across the Iroquois lands, and our infantry have special tanks of their own, called Mechinized Infantry. These are said to be the best defenders in the land! However, the Iroquois have recently brought China into the war, in an apparent attempt to widen, and cause another world war. The Chinese have a MPP with the Zulus, who in turn have a MPP with Rome.
I'd suggest an immediate MPP with both the Zulus and possibly Rome. If possible, get a unit into proximity to be attacked by China (don't attack them as that would activate their MPP with Zulu). When China attacks, the Zulus will declare war on them. If we miss this opportunity we can do the same thing with Rome - MPP with them and position someone to be attacked by the Zulus.

A good plan. I would say also though that our number one priority should be to stop India from coming in against us and number two Babylon as they are both quite strong and proximate. Hopefully niether will be a problem, but just in case...

I would think that Rome is less of a worry then Zululand because we could easily hold off Rome or invade them and destroy their productivity. However, it would be much harder to get at the Zulus and it would be more difficult to gauge where they would attack, they are also stronger than Rome.

Originally posted by disorganizer
@ct:
i didnt mean the naming right ;-) my gain up in phoenatican ztar-rank which is due.


At the moment, its:
phoenátikán ztár with Oakleaves and Swords

and should be promoted to at lease:
Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds (i think) or higher (if you like).

since i got nominated and voted for the same honour a second time in the middle of last turn.

Ok, I hereby present Disorganizer with the phoenátikán ztár with the Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds. :)

I think you missed the oakleaves.

Right josh. I think i have to thank our president and the whole of the citizenry of our great nation for the honour of:
Phoenatican ztar with Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds!

btw:
mrs. president, i posted my naming request in the domestic department thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=379427#post379427

Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!

Citizen Honors:

Strider: Great Librarian
Donsig: phoenátikán ztár 2x (meaning he was nominated and accepted two times. You can decide on what to do.)

None
Oakleaves
Oakleaves and Swords
Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

Please pm me with the ranks.

More honors:
Disorganizer
Cyc
Donsig

Phoenatican Star

Disorganizer and Donsig already hold this honor. so you must rank them a higher rank then they currently have.

None
Oakleaves
Oakleaves and Swords
Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds
Golden Oakleaves, Swords, and Diamonds

For up to date News and Current Affairs, read the Asphinxian Times (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=383681#post383681)
Released almost every day, despite the name!!

I just want to note to the President that a turn 3 instruction was forgotten last round. I do not wish to blame anyone, as our focus was on the war and even I forgot my own instruction while attending the TC. However, this missed action perhaps led to the Trade Embargo against us.

Could future actions be perhaps noted and/or written down so they are not forgotten?

Thanks,
cp

Address to the Nation:

I am pleased to announce that our war with the Iroquois, and Chinese is over! We have made significent gains, taking as much as 75% of Iroquois and Chinese territory. Our goals have been met, and peace treaties have been signed. We also have most of an island, once occupied by the Iroquois, that is shared with our allies, India.

I wish to congratulate our President on securing a lasting peace. :)

Dear Mrs. President,

delphi (again) has the problem that it seems not to be heard by the government. Please watch at the next chat that our requests (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=390026#post390026) are met, even if our governor is still missing or doesnt listen to us!

Best Regards,
Disorganizer
Mayor of delphi county

btw:
what about the next rank-ups in the honours, requested by strider a few posts ago?

Strider told me that he would tell everyone in the turn chat, and that I didn't have to write anything...

:confused:

Mrs. President:
i request you attention at the turn-chat:
please dont let the queue and worker-changes in delphi county slip thru the progress again: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=384413#post384413

civinator gave his approval (following post in province thread), but did not post in province or turn-instruction thread about it.

Idea for chat-threads:
Use a single sticky thread in the main forum called TURN CHATS.
there, you can post a post for each chat with the date and time and the link to the real turn-thread in the government forum. the turn-thread then does not need stickyness any more and this will bring us to not have mod intervention every few days.

Turn chat thread registry... good idea.

Or, instead of cluttering it up with posts, have 1 post per term.
Each post would have so many turn chats in them (and constantly edited)

That way, it can be both a turn chat registry, AND a turn chat schedule!

That's a good idea. However, if any leaders leave in the middle of the term, we might have a problem.

Originaly posted by Cheftess
Or, instead of cluttering it up with posts, have 1 post per term.
Each post would have so many turn chats in them (and constantly edited)

That way, it can be both a turn chat registry, AND a turn chat schedule!

I would aggre with Chieftess. :) It would reduce the clutter. Although you may have to PM the Leaders and Govenors to remind them to edit there post (Possibly a day early) and have the deadline set at the time of the turn chat.

Originaly posted by Octavian X
That's a good idea. However, if any leaders leave in the middle of the term, we might have a problem.

That would cause a problem if any leader leaves in the middle of the game. Here is how to counter this. When a leader "Retires" he must make a mandintory edit on his post, Since no one but Modernators can edit his/her post, to state that he has left the office. And the rest goes to Deputies taking over and posting a new post.

And you dont have a "history of instructions"
The index works fine as schedule-thread with the links. If you set the forum to "receive updates", you even get a mail when a new chat-thread is posted there

I guess I wasn't clear. :)
What I meant was, was something like this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28218).

Yes, that looks good, Chieftess, although you can't get a mail when a new chat-thread is posted there.

I was also confused by your initial suggestion. :)

A mod could always post, then delete that post... :)

Is our democracy falling apart?
I think yes. If you look at the latest elections, the do not take place at all. Only a small number of them are elections, the rest are 1 person nominations. And this in a time when our citizen count almost explodes!
The reason?
The silly 1-run rule!
We should push forward to delete this dumb rule out of our constitution. Also, we maybe have too many elections at the same time.

Another think:
I still await a honour rankup. I didnt receive it yet :-(

Considering there were some races with no candidates at all, I'm thinking that the problem could just be not enough interested people.

well, i find that many ppl would have had a backup candidacy if it would have been allowed. so at least the offices would have had more competition (the governor-problem is what we could solve by enlarging the provinces).

I dont know if the request of toasty was ignored (i hope so), but:

I must insist on recognition of delphi build queues as proposed in the province-thread and in the county-thread!
Again, build queues were requested THAT WERE NOT IN THE WILL OF CITIZENRY!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=399071#post399071

It was even requested by a non-governor!
If this trend continues, the governor of kashmir will get what he requested. The citizens of delphi county will NOT sit back and watch their will being ignored!

Originally posted by Shaitan
Considering there were some races with no candidates at all, I'm thinking that the problem could just be not enough interested people.

I tend to disagree. We have:

1 president/VP
6 cabinet
3 judicial
12 governors
----

22 posistions to fill. We have well over 22 votes in the elections, so we do have enough people. This also means 6 more deputies. (28 total) Not everyone wants to just post build queues, or just be a deputy. That's why people had multiple posistions the previous terms. I was Trade and VP last term, which was fine by me, since when I didn't have anything to do as VP, I had stuff to do as Trade leader. Some might be content just to create citizen groups, or just debate.

It would also make it possible to slow-start on a position. You could still hold you governor position, but maybe try out as deputy domestic leader before finally deciding in which direction to go.
This is impossible now.

The key word was interested. If people are not interested in having a job in the game they won't run for an office.

And, it would force someone new to the game into a posistion... Deputies are perfect for figuring out how everything works. Go in 'cold turkey', and you'll wind up making mistakes, everyone will be PI'ing you, and it becomes less fun.

I award Disorganzier and Donsig with the Phoenatican star, oakleaves and swords. I award Cyc with the Oakleaves.

Originally posted by disorganizer
Is our democracy falling apart?
I think yes. If you look at the latest elections, the do not take place at all. Only a small number of them are elections, the rest are 1 person nominations. And this in a time when our citizen count almost explodes!
The reason?
The silly 1-run rule!


I disagree. For example, why don't you run for an office disorganizer?

You know the government functions quite well, have no problem with posting build queues you feel are effective, and certainly have the name recognition and respect of many citizens in Phoenatica.

I think that if we had too many offices and not enough citizens, that would be one problem, but it seems that what we actually have, given the 43 votes as of this morning in the Prez poll, is a situation where not enough people are volunteering to put themselves out there.

This is not meant as a slam on you dis, as you are more than welcome to continue in roles in this game that you get enjoyment from, but rather a statement that I disagree with the premise that our democracy is failing.

I dont get an office as i believe this MUST include me attending the chat to represent the citizens giving me the vote.
As i will never be able to do this, i will not play with their votes. There are many ppl out there to attend the chat, so i wont get their jobs done.
I always stated this from the beginning and therefor chose positions which imho did not involve being at the chat.

@chieftess:
well, i already have to oakleaves and swords and diamonds, so i believe you mean the golden ones (as this being the next higher rank)?

Originally posted by disorganizer


@chieftess:
well, i already have to oakleaves and swords and diamonds, so i believe you mean the golden ones (as this being the next higher rank)?

Ok, then, the golden oakleaves and swords.

I was basing it on the list Strider had...

While on the subject, Phoenatica's citizens recently approved the Great Librarian for Civinator in this thread, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28193) and myself for the phoenátikán ztár in this thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28202)

Ok, I present Civanator with the Oakleaves, and Octavian X woth the phoenátikán ztár and Oakleaves.

Where is the honour hall of fame? I miss an updated list of given honours and ranks!

Term 4 is over.

Term 5 Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28560)