This is a WWII era French Marine, won by Steph in my second unit lottery. Sorry it took so long to get this made. Hopefully this is what you were looking for.:)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/fm_largealt_eNW.jpg

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Download here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8361).

Wow amazing superb unit!!!
Essential for a french player like me.
Thank you NavyDawg

Cool. Wanted one. Thank you.

I like a lot Fidget animation. It`s great !

If I`m not mistaken you`ve used the DAZ Michael 3 model. Is he taller than the Paperdoll or it just seems so ?

That's superb.. now i don't understand, how we even managed withouit it ;)

I like it a lot.

Excellent Unit NavyDawg... The body movements are so good the preview appears to be filmed from real life :goodjob:

He's almost perfect, I just have two critics (it wouldn't be me if I hadn't something to criticize, would it?).

1)The bayonnet attack is a bit strange, I wonder if anyone would thrust with the rifle so high, already shouldered. I understand it goes smoother after the shoot animation, but it looks a bit strange.

2) For the salute in the fidget, it seems he has the hand flat (horizontal), which is the American way to salute. The French salute is done with the hand vertical, thumb down, the palm showing toward the person you salute.

But anyway, I'm very pleased to add him to my mod right now

I have to agree with the bayonet attack...it looks like it would hurt, but the "Force" of the attack is not there...I might suggest a pikeman type attack...

didnt know about the salute...

otherwise its a great unit...I really like the walk, I wish more of our units had that option

Nice unit m8!

Beautiful unit, NavyDawg! Great to see more stuff from you!

Excellent! :thumbsup: And it's nice to see this trend of Civ shoulder-arms actually being fired from the shoulder.

Best,

Oz

Excellent and much needed unit. :)
Will there be a generic one as well?

Very nice unit.

Thanks for the comments all.

@ Steph, I'm glad he's close to what you were looking for.
1. I will try to make an alternate bayonet attack with the rifle dropped down from the shoulder. I kind of figured in close combat, you would stab from the shouldered position due to time constraints. However, the other way may look better. I'll see what I can do.;)
2. I suppose that is a function of myself learning rifle drill from a U.S. Marine Corps DI. I didn't know the French salute was different. Would you like this to be remade?

@ Ares, sure, I can make a generic version. Any thoughts on uniform or headgear?

@ Sandris, yes, I used M3 for this unit. His proportions are different than the PDM, so in a standard frame he will appear to be taller. I squished my main camera settings, so he should be scaled pretty closely to paperdoll units.

Well, just another headgear (soft cover of some sort) and civ color would suffice, I think.

@ Steph, I'm glad he's close to what you were looking for.
1. I will try to make an alternate bayonet attack with the rifle dropped down from the shoulder. I kind of figured in close combat, you would stab from the shouldered position due to time constraints. However, the other way may look better. I'll see what I can do.;)

Well, I've never seen any example of using the bayonet like that, you push from your body center of mass, ie the belly, that's what give you the most power. And you also aim at the other guy belly, which is easier to hit than the head.


2. I suppose that is a function of myself learning rifle drill from a U.S. Marine Corps DI. I didn't know the French salute was different. Would you like this to be remade?

I knew the drill of the US marine was lacking ;). It's not a big deal, I noticed because I know it, but it doesn't look strange, whereas the bayonet looks strange.

Nice job on another unit. Sandris Michaels proportions are not optimized for unit making like the paperdoll. I learned about the difference of other countries salutes and the reason behind it. Both the English and French show their palms rendering the salute.

New bayonet attack has been added to the main file. See the link in the OP.:)

@ Steph, don't make fun of our drilling. We haven't been doing it as long as you guys. Also, I wouldn't mention that to a Marine...;)

That looks great. I don't know what it is about it but it is one of the most realistic moving human units that I've seen.

For comparison, here are French and American salutes side-by-side: http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/homepagephoto/2006-12/hires_061213-N-1328C-087a.jpg

Allright, here is a draft of a more generic version. I'm not sure the flap in the back still fits, but leaving it on makes this more "naval" IMO. Any comments before I render this?

Is this civ colored? When I opened it in FLICster, the colors did not change

Looks like a good PLA one.

Cool unit. I think it could even be added to AoI.

Allright, here is a draft of a more generic version. I'm not sure the flap in the back still fits, but leaving it on makes this more "naval" IMO. Any comments before I render this?
It's looking good. Perhaps you can try some white gaiters so he's not to dull?

And if you are interested by a pack, I may find some other reference pictures.

Great unit, by the way!

I knew the drill of the US marine was lacking ;).
I should point out, no US Marines = no free france with or without their super fancy steps and funny salutes. So maybe we were too busy actually winning wars to bother copying some others super fancy steps?

As for the actual drill, you should watch a US Marine drill team sometime, we do just fine.


On the unit, fantasic work. I am very happy this one won as something like this has been sorely needed.

I should point out, no US Marines = no free france with or without their super fancy steps and funny salutes. So maybe we were too busy actually winning wars to bother copying some others super fancy steps?
FYI:
1- The Free French existed from the French colonies and the French soldiers who went to London, which is IIRC not in the US.
2- Could you please point me to a list of the marines division involved in the liberation of France? I can thank the infantry, armored or paratroopers for the liberation of France. Not the marines.


As for the actual drill, you should watch a US Marine drill team sometime, we do just fine.

The drill is lacking doesn't mean it's completly worthless. Just that some parts are missing.

I think Bjorn don't speak of FFL, but just say "without us France never be free".
He just Joke. Bjorn had a knowledge of WWII and know perfectly what this war was. By the way, i think of a perfect UU for USA : General Atlantic (who saved their ass for nearly three centuries, after all).

Just kidding.

I said "no free france", not "no free french". Since I think it safe to assume some french would have remained free, just none of those would have lived in France.

In WW1, the Marines were key to winning several battles in France, for example the battle of Belleau Wood. Not the all they did, but I'm not trying to write a history book here.

In WW2, the soldiers who fought on french soil and won were again France's allies the largest amonst them being America. The American units in France were almost exclusive Army. But, so what?
The US Marines were busy on the other front killing and dying for all our freedom. Had the US Marines lost to the Japanese, there would still be no free france. As the Japanese had a long and deep seated hatred of the Russians having had several battles with them and would surely have joined in and changed the out come of the "eastern front", and there reducing or eliminating the ability of the Russian offensive against the germans. And so on. Again, not exhaustive just a few high lights to illustrate the point.

France is free because US Marines bled and died for it. Both in France and else where. And, while I reject the notion that the USMC drill is somehow lacking. I would like to restate that it is not fancy marching (the Marines, theirs, or others) that won the French their freedom.

So show some respect.

Bjornlo, i think you need to cool yourself a little.
Pick a beer. Don't drink it. Put it on your head.

The "fancy drill" was not said for show "unrespect". Maybe Marines are your "Prophet"-like peoples, but us we think we can joke about all others, even "OUR" great peoples.

Just joke, you know ?

WW1 : We won the war before US, and then US Marines, help us. US just helped to quick the end of the war.
Worst : US troops effect only the moral of the german soldiers, who was already near the destruction. Poor germans just see new fresh ennemies with high moral attack them.

WW2 : Ok, perhaps we can list that :

- US refused to help Tchecoslovaquie against the Germans and the Polishs (Poland was allied with Nazies for this agression).
- US refused to help Poland (but still some polishs see US as their heroes... and French as bastards. Some on this board).
- France called US for help when we see whe was overwhelmed. US refused and more or less answered : "Well, die. No-one need you".
- US refused to help, or even recognize, the FFL. Us government was really friendly with Vichy.
- US tried to take over France at the end of the war, by imposing an US military governor. Only De Gaule prevented that (maybe it's why Americans don't like him : You try to conquer us, and a man with a little army say "screw you, just try").


In the WW2, nearly ALL the countries was baddies at a moment or at a level, from Belgium (award of the better allie...) to France (the only french socialist who opposed Hitled is still, for that, today seen as a traitor by the French Socialist party), to Japan, to Russia, to England (I'm not sure Churchill can have the award of the bigger french-lover of all times), to Italy, to Jews (yes, even the "victimes for eternity" have a big dark side, in this war), to Arabs, to Russia, ad vitam nauseam.

If i want to be as angry as you, i can say 8 peoples on 10 in my family died because the US failed us.
Died because killeds by Germans.
Died because killed by FFI (yes, my family has the two sides).
Died because they have NOTHING to eat.
Died because the plagues.

But i'm here. On a Anglo-saxon board. I talk with americans and even with norvergians who like US marines so much. I talk with Germans. With Jews. With Arabs. With US marines maybe (i think one user said he is one).
I have no hate for them. I'm even very pleased by talk with them.

We don't "disrespect" (i hope this word exist) US Marines, or even US submarines. It's totally silly to you to think that. Marines are just soldiers. They even replaced the "GI" as the "standard US soldiers", for a lot of frenchs.
We know US Marines are good soldiers. You probably find NOBODY who say the opposite here.

But we think we still have the right to tease them without be seen as Goebels's sons.

funny that the angriest posts almost always seem to include claims that the other person needs to calm down.

WW1 : We won the war before US, and then US Marines, help us. US just helped to quick the end of the war.
Worst : US troops effect only the moral of the german soldiers, who was already near the destruction. Poor germans just see new fresh ennemies with high moral attack them.

With all due respect, but most historians state that the French Army was on the verge of collapse by late 1916 and into 1917. Had it not been for the BEF and later the American contigent, which together with the French troops tipped the balance of the war of attrition in the allies' favor, the Germans would have been able to wear the Allies down on the western front. Remember that by the end of 1917, Russia was knocked out of the war, thanks to a fellow named Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (also known as "Lenin"), who the Germans infiltrated into Russia. With Russia out, most of the German eastern divisions could be sent West to reinforce the front there.

I don't understand how national pride can cloud subjective assessment of a historical fact and lead to statements that show a lack of gratitude to one's allies.

@ Bjornlo : Because if you are the first to be angry, anger spam.

@Topgun : Sorry ?!
Maybe YOU can forgot "national pride", too...
What your "BEF tipped the balance" mean ? England don't "saved the day", you know ? They was in war with Germany at the very start of the war. And if you want to go by there, we can far more easilly say "without the french army, who with BEF and US troops tipped de day etc.", because France put far more soldiers on the ground : England put only four, yes four, division in France at the beginning... That mean 120K mens.
But stop with that, it's just horrible. English soldiers don't need you for be heroes in this war : They early understand when THREE TIMES their number in german soldiers attacked them for their first battle (and fight very well by the way).

The "good idea" of the "war of attrition" is just the advice of those who want to protect the memory of Haig. Nothing more.

1916 was the middle of the war. US soldiers don't are in France before 1918, that mean TWO years after the "verge of collapse"...
Longer collapse ever.

The "late 1916" is after Verdun, with the monstrous loses, and juste after the Bataille de la Somme.
La Somme, you know ? 600k killed for each side. Entire batallions who disapeared, yes, just as simple as that : One hour they are here, the hour after nobody never, ever, hear of them. No trace, no corpse, nothing.

There was not "verge of collapse". There were mutinies after the battle of the "chemin des dames"n in 1917.
One battle, 117k dieds in the French Army.

And all that, for nothing.

The mutinies were not only in the French army, sorry to say that, but in the English and German armies alike (germans even said Allies have better results in calm the mutinies - by more punishing, that's it). There was more english soldiers killed by Death Sentence than frenchs, by the way.

If French army was "at the verge of collapsing", then you need to say, if you are honest, the same thing of the English and German ones.

The mutinies collapsed faster than the armies, thank to Petain (for the Frenchs) and some victories.

In 1918, France and England are NOT on the "verge of collapse". Germany IS.
I know, in Civ3, you can't use the weapon who defeated the Germans (or not so efficiently) : The blocus.
I suggest you to read what the blocus do to the Germany in this war. To the economy. To the population. Maybe you understand some things after that and never, ever, say so silly and horrible things.

The war was win by Englishs, Frenchs, Serbians, Italians and all the peoples who make war against the Central Powers from 1914 to 1918.
US soldiers was on the lasts battles, and a lot died. But they was not necessary.

As Little Boy, they quickened the end of the war, and saved allies lives by given their own.

It was great of them, and we need to honour their memory for that. And we do. We honour them more than French loses are honoured in USA today.

But the war was win, with or without them. Make them other things than they was is not make them honour. It's insult their memory, and for what they died.
That's all.

Can we just return to unit discussion, please?

Thanks.

It's all Sandris' fault. If he would just stick to making fantasy units then we could really get into it about the whole Noldor vs. Teleri thing. :p Oh yeah, and make units with enough imperfections that the argument would be about how to make them better. But he doesn't leave enough room for real complainers. :p

It's all Sandris' fault. If he would just stick to making fantasy units then we could really get into it about the whole Noldor vs. Teleri thing. :p Oh yeah, and make units with enough imperfections that the argument would be about how to make them better. But he doesn't leave enough room for real complainers. :p

Um, this was my unit.

Guys, please stop this pointless bickering.

I think one thing we should all be able to agree with is that no country is perfect. Sometimes they do great things, other times, not so much. Also, it is absolutely idiotic to hold individuals accountable for what countries of tens of millons (and in some cases hundreds of millions) of people have done in the past.

As for the anti-American trash that has been filling this forums lately, I am completely fed up with it. I'm almost to the point of walking away from this site due to the bigoted, ignorant statements I have been unlucky enough to read here lately.:mad:

Well, for what it's worth, I hope you don't walk away from the forums! This thread turned into something as bad as a Balkan thread, and it's a shame it had to happen to your unit. Could a moderator delete all the bickering, maybe?

In WW1, the Marines were key to winning several battles in France, for example the battle of Belleau Wood
I know of Belleau Wood. The marines fought well there. Good job. That still one little battle in a long list of battles where French soldiers died a lot more to defend France from Germany.


So show some respect.
I did, I said France was freed by the US army, and the British, and the Free French.
I can't show respect for the marines who fought Germany, they didn't.
I can show respect for the marines who fought the Japanese.

It's not a lack of respect, it's just some historical facts.

So no, France is not free because the US marines bled and died for it.

France is free because the American army bled and died for it.

Sorry if it hurts your own feeling, but I refuse to give the US marines any special respect, because the other American soldiers deserve as much respect, or in the case of the "France is free" because of them, a lot more.

Among the 9,387 American who are resting there
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/98/WW2_Normandy_American_Cemetery_Rain.JPG/800px-WW2_Normandy_American_Cemetery_Rain.JPG
I doubt there is a single marine.

So :salute: and respect to the American army for the liberation of France in WWII.

And for the marines, they deserve respect for what they did, not for what they did not (ie not for the liberation of France).

I hope this little clarification will have help you understand I'm trying to be objective and give proper respect where it should go, and I'm not direspectful to the Americans as a whole.

And the remark about the lacking of the marines drill was a joke about the fact NavyDawg did not know the salute is specific American and that other countries, including France and UK, are making a different salute. I think NavyDawg got it (the smiley at the end of my initial remark was a good hint), and he also answered as a joke with a smiley to.

But some other people should really grow a sense of humour and learn to use some opportunities to broaden their point of view.

Right, and let's leave it at that, please.

I'm really tired of seeing various threads degenerate into "your country owes my country" or "my country kicked more ass than your country" bickering. There's a place for nationalistic posturing, and it's called Off Topic.

Allright, here is a draft of a more generic version. I'm not sure the flap in the back still fits, but leaving it on makes this more "naval" IMO. Any comments before I render this?


I like your approach on a generic marine. :) Very useful. I guess this one could be used from WW1 onward, right?

I think it could even start earlier, like late 19th colonial marine.

In fact, the French uniform used with this unit was no longer used in battle for WWII, it was just the parad uniform.

But I think it looks a lot more distinctive, that's why I gave this picture as reference. ;)

Good to see more Marines - to fill the gaps between Naval Infantry and Cold War Marines (<- the Vanilla guy).

Um, this was my unit.I truly apologize. I got completely confused between the pointless diatribes in Sandris' thread & the equally closed-minded yelling without listening in your thread. You're both superb unit makers. It would be terrible to lose either one of you due to thread jackers. I know, because I helped contribute to Shirou's leaving us by my incessant historical nit-picking. I apologized both publicly & privately, but it was too late.

The only problem that we should have or discuss is the awful difficulty of choosing which of these units to vote for.

Um, this was my unit.

Guys, please stop this pointless bickering.

I think one thing we should all be able to agree with is that no country is perfect. Sometimes they do great things, other times, not so much. Also, it is absolutely idiotic to hold individuals accountable for what countries of tens of millons (and in some cases hundreds of millions) of people have done in the past.

As for the anti-American trash that has been filling this forums lately, I am completely fed up with it. I'm almost to the point of walking away from this site due to the bigoted, ignorant statements I have been unlucky enough to read here lately.:mad:

O agree there is no reason for people to go so off topic. And it would be a great loss to the C3C community if you left I pray that doesn't happen.

As for the anti-American trash that has been filling this forums lately, I am completely fed up with it. I'm almost to the point of walking away from this site due to the bigoted, ignorant statements I have been unlucky enough to read here lately.:mad:

Your departure would be a HUGE and unwarranted loss. I think we should take a C&C group oath to bring potential incendiary O/T exchanges to whatever other forum it would best fit in. I would further suggest that anyone who has an issue with anything short of flaming simply make an entry in the respective C&C thread to said other forum; outright flaming can be brought to the attention of a mod.

Enough said - hopefully this will end the annoying O/T gibberish which has hijacked this thread.

Respectfully,

Oz

With animations this good how did the French get hammered that bad?