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Ball Lightning
Feb 09, 2008, 10:31 PM
Your thoughts?

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/science/earth/08wbiofuels.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp&oref=slogin)

Almost all biofuels used today cause more greenhouse gas emissions than conventional fuels if the full emissions costs of producing these “green” fuels are taken into account, two studies being published Thursday have concluded.

The benefits of biofuels have come under increasing attack in recent months, as scientists took a closer look at the global environmental cost of their production. These latest studies, published in the prestigious journal Science, are likely to add to the controversy.

These studies for the first time take a detailed, comprehensive look at the emissions effects of the huge amount of natural land that is being converted to cropland globally to support biofuels development.

The destruction of natural ecosystems — whether rain forest in the tropics or grasslands in South America — not only releases greenhouse gases into the atmosphere when they are burned and plowed, but also deprives the planet of natural sponges to absorb carbon emissions. Cropland also absorbs far less carbon than the rain forests or even scrubland that it replaces.

Together the two studies offer sweeping conclusions: It does not matter if it is rain forest or scrubland that is cleared, the greenhouse gas contribution is significant. More important, they discovered that, taken globally, the production of almost all biofuels resulted, directly or indirectly, intentionally or not, in new lands being cleared, either for food or fuel.

“When you take this into account, most of the biofuel that people are using or planning to use would probably increase greenhouse gasses substantially,” said Timothy Searchinger, lead author of one of the studies and a researcher in environment and economics at Princeton University. “Previously there’s been an accounting error: land use change has been left out of prior analysis.”

These plant-based fuels were originally billed as better than fossil fuels because the carbon released when they were burned was balanced by the carbon absorbed when the plants grew. But even that equation proved overly simplistic because the process of turning plants into fuels causes its own emissions — for refining and transport, for example.

The clearance of grassland releases 93 times the amount of greenhouse gas that would be saved by the fuel made annually on that land, said Joseph Fargione, lead author of the second paper, and a scientist at the Nature Conservancy. “So for the next 93 years you’re making climate change worse, just at the time when we need to be bringing down carbon emissions.”

The Intergovernment Panel on Climate Change has said that the world has to reverse the increase of greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 to avert disastrous environment consequences.

In the wake of the new studies, a group of 10 of the United States’s most eminent ecologists and environmental biologists today sent a letter to President Bush and the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, urging a reform of biofuels policies. “We write to call your attention to recent research indicating that many anticipated biofuels will actually exacerbate global warming,” the letter said.

The European Union and a number of European countries have recently tried to address the land use issue with proposals stipulating that imported biofuels cannot come from land that was previously rain forest.

But even with such restrictions in place, Dr. Searchinger’s study shows, the purchase of biofuels in Europe and the United States leads indirectly to the destruction of natural habitats far afield.

For instance, if vegetable oil prices go up globally, as they have because of increased demand for biofuel crops, more new land is inevitably cleared as farmers in developing countries try to get in on the profits. So crops from old plantations go to Europe for biofuels, while new fields are cleared to feed people at home.

Likewise, Dr. Fargione said that the dedication of so much cropland in the United States to growing corn for bioethanol had caused indirect land use changes far away. Previously, Midwestern farmers had alternated corn with soy in their fields, one year to the next. Now many grow only corn, meaning that soy has to be grown elsewhere.

Increasingly, that elsewhere, Dr. Fargione said, is Brazil, on land that was previously forest or savanna. “Brazilian farmers are planting more of the world’s soybeans — and they’re deforesting the Amazon to do it,” he said.





International environmental groups, including the United Nations, responded cautiously to the studies, saying that biofuels could still be useful. “We don’t want a total public backlash that would prevent us from getting the potential benefits,” said Nicholas Nuttall, spokesman for the United Nations Environment Program, who said the United Nations had recently created a new panel to study the evidence.

“There was an unfortunate effort to dress up biofuels as the silver bullet of climate change,” he said. “We fully believe that if biofuels are to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem, there urgently needs to be better sustainability criterion.”

The European Union has set a target that countries use 5.75 percent biofuel for transport by the end of 2008. Proposals in the United States energy package would require that 15 percent of all transport fuels be made from biofuel by 2022. To reach these goals, biofuels production is heavily subsidized at many levels on both continents, supporting a burgeoning global industry.

Syngenta, the Swiss agricultural giant, announced Thursday that its annual profits had risen 75 percent in the last year, in part because of rising demand for biofuels.

Industry groups, like the Renewable Fuels Association, immediately attacked the new studies as “simplistic,” failing “to put the issue into context.”

“While it is important to analyze the climate change consequences of differing energy strategies, we must all remember where we are today, how world demand for liquid fuels is growing, and what the realistic alternatives are to meet those growing demands,” said Bob Dineen, the group’s director, in a statement following the Science reports’ release.

“Biofuels like ethanol are the only tool readily available that can begin to address the challenges of energy security and environmental protection,” he said.

The European Biodiesel Board says that biodiesel reduces greenhouse gasses by 50 to 95 percent compared to conventional fuel, and has other advantages as well, like providing new income for farmers and energy security for Europe in the face of rising global oil prices and shrinking supply.

But the papers published Thursday suggested that, if land use is taken into account, biofuels may not provide all the benefits once anticipated.

Dr. Searchinger said the only possible exception he could see for now was sugar cane grown in Brazil, which take relatively little energy to grow and is readily refined into fuel. He added that governments should quickly turn their attention to developing biofuels that did not require cropping, such as those from agricultural waste products.

“This land use problem is not just a secondary effect — it was often just a footnote in prior papers,”. “It is major. The comparison with fossil fuels is going to be adverse for virtually all biofuels on cropland.”

Irish Caesar
Feb 10, 2008, 01:33 AM
Your thoughts?

"Duh" comes to mind...

Although I didn't realize that the effect would be this drastic, but five minutes of thinking about it and I would have figured rainforests are better at sucking up carbon than regular grasslands.

knez
Feb 10, 2008, 11:09 AM
it was to be expected...

ainwood
Feb 11, 2008, 12:24 AM
I think its a damned-good example of people rushing to do the "right thing" without actually stopping to assess the consequences. Its not just the CO2 emissions they should have considered, but also the economic impacts on society due to increased costs of food production.

How many countries have already legislated biofuel requirements?

zxcvbnm
Feb 11, 2008, 07:06 AM
Biofuels aren't the problem, fossil fuels and unsustainable argiculture used to make them are. With solar or wind power biofuels made from non-competiting plants would be far better.

Pokurcz
Feb 13, 2008, 11:32 AM
It depends on what land you grow your biofuel, if it is old farming land it does not have loads of carbon stored up in the ground as a rainforest or any other not heavily cultivated patch of land.

So if onew breakes new land for farming like savannas and cuts down forests, yes it produces a lot of CO2 for many years untill the carbon in the ground gets depleated. But not the already farmed plots.

Abaddon
Feb 13, 2008, 05:18 PM
This is ridiculus. Branding Biofuels as bad is due to the costs through BAD MANAGMENT.

If Biofuels are grown sensibly, the problem does not exhist. It is obvious that destroying primary rainforest is bad, biofuels do not automatically cause this.

The use of grants to imbalance the market is not helping, making food crops unviable. This is just a artefact of the desire to push forward development, not an insight of its potential.

This report is nothing new, merely poorly reported.

Cutlass
Feb 13, 2008, 05:40 PM
For the most part, it's the large scale clearing of land to make fields for bio fuels which makes the net effect bad for greenhouse gases. Forests and jungles soak up huge amounts of gases and cool their location.

Ball Lightning
Feb 13, 2008, 09:03 PM
This is ridiculus. Branding Biofuels as bad is due to the costs through BAD MANAGMENT.

If Biofuels are grown sensibly, the problem does not exhist. It is obvious that destroying primary rainforest is bad, biofuels do not automatically cause this.

The use of grants to imbalance the market is not helping, making food crops unviable. This is just a artefact of the desire to push forward development, not an insight of its potential.

This report is nothing new, merely poorly reported.


I definitly agree, there are many ways we can get biofuels and it is only the most common type of biofuels, ethanol, which is the problem.

GoodGame
Feb 14, 2008, 07:50 PM
I agree with the truth of this aspect, as destroying the carbon sinks is foolish (plus the rain forests are great for other reasons).

I'm not sobbing about gases released from burning a fuel type in general. Other than solar and wind power, is there any form of energy generation that doesn't raise greenhouse gases?

And what about an alternative strategy, such as aquatic plants? E.g. cellulose from algae? Sounds a little like spin from an oil company to me. :lol:


The destruction of natural ecosystems — whether rain forest in the tropics or grasslands in South America — not only releases greenhouse gases into the atmosphere when they are burned and plowed, but also deprives the planet of natural sponges to absorb carbon emissions. Cropland also absorbs far less carbon than the rain forests or even scrubland that it replaces.

Ball Lightning
Feb 14, 2008, 07:59 PM
I'm not sobbing about gases released from burning a fuel type in general. Other than solar and wind power, is there any form of energy generation that doesn't raise greenhouse gases?


Plenty.

Geothermal and tidal (wave) are the best options, apart from solar, i'm not a fan of wind as it is not very efficient.

Irish Caesar
Feb 14, 2008, 10:27 PM
Other than solar and wind power, is there any form of energy generation that doesn't raise greenhouse gases?

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070824RZ1AP-NukeEnergy.jpg

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Ball Lightning
Feb 15, 2008, 01:46 AM
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070824RZ1AP-NukeEnergy.jpg

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Nuclear isn't very greenhouse friendly, alot less then solar, hydro, wind, tidal and geothermal. But better in some ways then coal.

Abaddon
Feb 15, 2008, 08:36 AM
How does nuclear power impinge on the greenhouse effect?

Irish Caesar
Feb 15, 2008, 01:42 PM
Nuclear isn't very greenhouse friendly, alot less then solar, hydro, wind, tidal and geothermal. But better in some ways then coal.

I'll have to assume you're referring to uranium mining?

Cutlass
Feb 15, 2008, 04:36 PM
Uranium mining and purifying is a major undertaking. You have to process vast amounts of ore to get to the point of usable fuel. That pollutes both in terms of the air pollution created by the machines doing the work, but also in that the waste product is itself locally hazardous and areas where there has been uranium mining should never have human habitation again. Then there's the cost and expense of dealing with the waste from the use and the decommissioning of old nuke sits.

I'm nor inherently anti nuke, but i know the subject well enough to know that no one has a true accounting of the costs, both monetary and environmental, of nuclear power. There is just too much of the money is hidden in government subsidies and secrecy.




Every form of energy production had drawbacks in some manner. What's lacking is 2 things above all else to find solutions: First, a willingness on all sides to accept some compromise in order to get most of what they want instead of demanding "my way or the highway", and second is a willingness to invest a very major amount of money to actually build the new infrastructure and equipment.

Ball Lightning
Feb 16, 2008, 04:24 AM
How does nuclear power impinge on the greenhouse effect?

What Cutless said. But it is much better for the environment then coal or gas, worse then solar, but it also has other problems.

taillesskangaru
Feb 16, 2008, 04:32 AM
I'm actually more concerned about biofuels driving up the prices of basic commodities like sugar.

carmen510
Feb 16, 2008, 04:56 AM
Biofuels might be a good option for richer nations, like the United States, who actually DESTROY crops to keep prices high. It could just divert some of them to biofuels.

However, biofuels will only be viable for the short-term, as it might convince people just to use E85 ethanol, which although it is better for the environment, still uses gasoline.

Also, biofuels cannot be practical in nations which cannot feed its own population, such as many African countries.

I believe electrical and hydrogen cars will last for the long-term.

GoodGame
Feb 17, 2008, 09:00 AM
As cellulosic ethanol becomes more economical, your statements will actually be incorrect, excepting I believe the future will see a blend of energy sources, not just one new one. Currently non-economic plant sources will be able to feed such a reactor.

A major cellulosic ethanol corp:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iogen_Corporation

Biofuels might be a good option for richer nations, like the United States, who actually DESTROY crops to keep prices high. It could just divert some of them to biofuels.

However, biofuels will only be viable for the short-term, as it might convince people just to use E85 ethanol, which although it is better for the environment, still uses gasoline.

Also, biofuels cannot be practical in nations which cannot feed its own population, such as many African countries.

I believe electrical and hydrogen cars will last for the long-term.

knez
Feb 17, 2008, 05:50 PM
come on people, get real

if you wan't something, you have to pay something for that
if you wan't to use biofuel, you have to pay higher food prices, global political unstability (caused by higher food prices in poor countries) and environmental devastation

there are no magical solutions, and no new uber super duber technology will siginificantly change effects of biofuel on the world

mourndraken
Feb 24, 2008, 12:53 PM
there is a diesel truck in town here that runs on biofuels. You can tell that it's in the area because all you can smell is old french fries or fried chicken.