Japanese Rifleman requested by Rekishiotaku.


http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027j/throwing_off_asia_01/image/2000_458_l.jpg
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/59402/JapaneseRifleman.jpghttp://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/59402/Jap_prev.gif

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/japrifleman_Xfj.jpg


Download (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8371)

Very nice

It will advantageously replace the old Meiji riflemen from... Dom Pedro??

Your riflemen packs are very useful.

Now, you just need to make a Gunpowder Japanese pack to complete the Japanese units of 1700-1800 era. :D

I thought Dom Pedro's was accurate in its uniform for the Menjii period? Or is this moreso?

Wow, you're on a roll...

That is one piece of fine work there. Ares is right you are on a roll.

Now, you just need to make a Gunpowder Japanese pack to complete the Japanese units of 1700-1800 era. :D

:rolleyes: I don`t have images of Japanese infantry, 1700-1800. ;)

:banana: :banana:

:coffee:

I thought Dom Pedro's was accurate in its uniform for the Menjii period? Or is this moreso?

Dom Pedro's was accurate, but the animation was not so good as Sandris

Top-notch work, Sandris! You're churning these out at an amazing rate!

Dom Pedro's was accurate, but the animation was not so good as Sandris

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/136690/Meijiinfy.jpg

I would say this one is more accurate, even to the smaller details, the red line on his pants for one, Dom's was good, but the soldier had his whole shirt stuffed into a sash, His shin guards were civ colored, and the skin tone was yellow....
This version is prefect!

:rolleyes: I don`t have images of Japanese infantry, 1700-1800. ;)

Japan closed it's borders from 1635-1863 Japan's borders were closed, and there were no internal wars, so Japan's military technology did not change until the Meiji restoration. Which is why you cannot find 1700-1800s Japanese infantry pictures.

Well, we can use the two : Dom Pedro for 1870 era, Sandris for early XX century.

Sandris is 1905, that's the early XX century...

If you want WWI, check BeBro's units, they are better.

No, I think Dom Pedro's could be used for earlier units, like 1870.

Anyway, Sandris's is indiscutably better than Dom Pedro, that's why I immediately used it for my mod.

Hu ? It's not what i said ?

I thought Dom Pedro's was accurate in its uniform for the Menjii period? Or is this moreso?

Sandris's is more accurate and the uniform details are right on.

And it's "Meiji", not "Menjii." You keep calling it "Menjii". :p :crazyeye:

Hu ? It's not what i said ?
No, that's what you said :crazyeye:

The main remark was to use BeBro's for WWI...

http://stephane.f.david.free.fr/CivMod/UnitIcones/Japan/JapWWI_lg.gif

More ideas for 19th century Japan:
Start of the Boshin War (1868-1869)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/ShogunalTroops1864.jpg
Near the middle, Imperial Japanese, mix of Old and Western stlye
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/SaigoFushimi.jpg
Near the end (Bakufu in older style, Imperial in western style)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/UenoSenso.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Land_And_Naval_Battle_of_Hakodate.JPG/800px-Land_And_Naval_Battle_of_Hakodate.JPG
some of the Imperial troops wore the red head dress from the Shaguma
http://www.land-navi.com/backstage/link/47/tokyo/kouen/2003/8/megumi/seki-2.jpg
Very end the Bakufu becomes the Republic of Ezo
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Brunet%26Team.JPG

Satsuma Rebellion 1877
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/ShiroyamaBattle.jpg/800px-ShiroyamaBattle.jpg

Japanese Calvary 1870-1905
this unit, but on a horse, maybe use his sword instead of his gun

Imperial Japanese army leader 1870-1905
Western style sabre
http://www.geocities.jp/kure0505/img024.jpg
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027j/throwing_off_asia/image/2000_431_l.jpg
or on a horse
http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027j/throwing_off_asia/image/res_23_294_l.jpg

Durring the Russo-Japanese war (1905), Japan introduced the khaki uniform, that would slowly replace the black and dark blue uniform.
used for Japan 1905-1920s Japan wore these during the Russo-Japanese war, World War one, and Japan's involvement in the Russian Revolution
http://www.allthekingsmen.biz/thumbs/BG115B.JPG
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/graphics/japanesekiaochow.jpg
bebro made one, but his unmounted units were not good.

What can you tell about these riflemen ? Should I make them and what period could they be used for ? What about bayonets and swords ?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/59402/japww.jpg

Should I make them and what period could they be used for ? What about bayonets and swords ?
Why should you? We have to many units already, and beside yours are to ugly.


Stupid question, stupid answer :p

Steph you have one wacky sense of humor...:lol:

Both of those are from the Russo-Japanese war. The picture is from Osprey's Russo-Japanese war book. Dark blue/Black war being replaced by Khaki
Typically after the Satsuma rebellion only officers wore swords, most lower ranks had only bayonets. But there is no exact rule, I have seen 2nd class privates with swords during ww2. All men had bayonets. I think for this unit the man should only have a bayonet.

I would just make the khaki one, the dark blue, is basically the same as the black, so it would be better to get more different looking units, that 2 units from the same time period who's color isn't that different.

Man, Sandris, this unit is beyond greatness! In fact, I feel this is probably one of my favorites amongst the units you've created (I am afterall, a fan of Japanese units). For ideas on rifleman predating the one you posted, I would refer you to an Oda Clan Arquebusier (http://www.eastofindia.com/images/2004/SCA17D.jpg). You do not know how glad it would make me to see this unit in exactly this form (with this exact color scheme with exception of the green socks which I would advise you to recolor, although, you could make the yellow parts {shirt, lotus blossom on hat and armor} civ-colored). Seeing as you are an absolute god at staying true to the details in a unit, this would be an excellent edition to your library and would also help me for my scenario greatly.

I also wanted to tell you that I'm going to get some free time soon again, meaning my unit-creation will officially start again. I will get some of those long over-due units done finally. I was also wondering if you would require my help in getting the rifleman units for Europe done, seeing as it is a mighty big task, even for your standards. I could for instance get the Prussian one done first, and then help from there on. That is, if you want my help, of course.

Keep it up man, you are truly amazing at this! :goodjob:

What can you tell about these riflemen ? Should I make them and what period could they be used for ? What about bayonets and swords ?
Yes you should make them. The one on the left has a bayonet on his hip and would be newer than a flintlock infantry. The one on the right is even more modern I would guess between WWI and WWII.
Officers were the only ones that usually carried swords.

Anything that could replace Bebro's would be welcome... no offense there, Sandris' units are far better, and at least they touch the ground when they run :lol:

So good! Perfect Meiji-era rifleman

See, Swoggy, I told you Shiro would return ;)

Welcome back, Shiro! We missed ya!

I will be laconic. I simply think it's one of best units I see.

Why should you? We have to many units already, and beside yours are to ugly.


Stupid question, stupid answer :p


These seams to have dropped under the table.
Japanese musketmen between the Oda Arqubus and this fine Meiji Rifleman.

Then of course one could play around with an upgrade chain that after the Oda Arqubus guy Japan came into the Edo period closing their country until the Meiji Rifleman.
The unit should then perhaps be a mercenary Dutch Musketman between these two others.
By 1650 China, the Dutch East India Company, and for a short period, the English, enjoyed the right to visit Japan during this period, for commercial purposes only, and they were restricted to the Dejima port in Nagasaki. Other Europeans who landed on Japanese shores were put to death without trial.
But if need be a mercenary force could be used. The rulers prior to closing the country did use Dutch ships to bombard a rebel stronghold, so why not Dutch Musketmen.

Any thoughts on this ?

These seams to have dropped under the table.
Japanese musketmen between the Oda Arqubus and this fine Meiji Rifleman.

Then of course one could play around with an upgrade chain that after the Oda Arqubus guy Japan came into the Edo period closing their country until the Meiji Rifleman.
The unit should then perhaps be a mercenary Dutch Musketman between these two others.
By 1650 China, the Dutch East India Company, and for a short period, the English, enjoyed the right to visit Japan during this period, for commercial purposes only, and they were restricted to the Dejima port in Nagasaki. Other Europeans who landed on Japanese shores were put to death without trial.
But if need be a mercenary force could be used. The rulers prior to closing the country did use Dutch ships to bombard a rebel stronghold, so why not Dutch Musketmen.

Any thoughts on this ?

Dom Pedro II ALSO made a serviceable Choson Musketman.

-Oz

P.S. - And, yes, I know it's Korean, but I think should work for what you describe, especially at Civ scale.

-O.

Thanks,
and yes I remember him when I now saw him again.
However he probably should have that fork which the heavier muskets had in comparision to the lighter Arquibus.

I keep my hopes that Sandris might get a crack at something that has the firarm the Fireaxis unit has, but with more japanese clothing.

Great unit,dear Sandris(as all of the units,that you've made:))!!!I've already used it in scenario 'bout war of 1904-1905.How about Russian infantry of 1904 (in a white гимнастёрка,before the adoption of new khaki uniform)?WWI Russian Infantry unit is not correct to appear in that war scenario:фуражка was without visor,winter head wear and so on...Оч прошу!!!!!