I will be starting a new pitboss game, all interested plz post here.

The settings

Version: BTS 3.13 (clean no patches)
Map: Arboria
Wrap: Toroidal
Size: Huge 18 players medium sea level
Start: Ancient
Level: Noble
Speed: Quick
Barbs: off
Tech trading off
Huts: ON
Random events: ON
Victories: all enabled
Unrestricted leaders (dublicates allowed)
Resources: standard
No Vassal sates
Timer: 20 hours
Direct IP - Hamatchi


Extra rules
Romans banned, Aztec banned (You can use their leaders, but not the civilization)
1 log in per turn during war
Player who moved first in the turn that war started has 6 hours to move first in the next turn.(the other player must wait for him but can move after 6 hours)
In the case that 6 hours pass and the other player moves this does not change the order. So player who played first in the turn that war started will always have priority until war ends.

Since we will be 18 people, if you have to go away for a few days you either find a sub (who is not in this game) or ask me to kick to AI. the game will not stop.

If more than 2 people are in the same war, then we all still should make an effort to keep the 6 hour rule and avoid double turns.


Players
Indiansmoke - Elizabeth of Babylon
IanDC - Wang Kon of Mali
Whiplash CDC - Peter of Arabia
Gigaz - Washington of the Mayans
Elcad - Huayna Capac of India
Levgre - Pacal II of the Malinese
Burlicconi - Hannibal of Mali
Oyzar - Alexander of ethiopia
Classical Hero - Darius of HRE
Hesterate - Boudica of Ethiopia
KillerCane - Elizabeth of India
Bamf226 - Sitting Bull of China
Dandrige - Mansa Musa of India
Amask - Willem of the Zulu
Unconquered Sun - Hannibal of the Native Americans
Bjarkekr - SALADIN of babylon
BCLG100 - Ragnar of India
Mauer - Suryavarman of Sumeria

Interested please.

I'll play.

Interesting. How does arboria map look? tons of forests? Abuntant of deer? basically nothing unforested? Why are romans and aztec banned though? Praets aren't very unbalanced in mp as humans know how to deal with them. Sure jaguars are more powerfull when there are forests everywhere but alot of those forests will be chopped and they aren't very powerfull to begin with. Also i still think huts have the potential to be rather unbalancing. That said you are the host so... Are vassal states on btw? Speed quick will certanly shake up things making later UU's and UB's more powerfull.

I might be interested though that depends on if i have time to start another game right now(or rather when i get back my comp...).

It makes perfect sense to me to ban Rome and Aztecs. Jag warriors on arboria are war chariots that never die when defending. Noone can chop all surrounding forests by the time the Jags arrive on quick speed. And Praetorians get a huge defensive Bonus from forests, too.

Count me in.

Arboria is a pangea with unpredictable shape, very little to no desert and as you said lots of forest and dear. I think oil is very rare in Arboria as well.

Romans are unbalanced in my opinion and jags for this map are too much.

Anyway there are lots of other options left.

Huts can be unbalancing and I don't mind turning them off if everyone wants.

Interested. Guess I should play some SP on quick to get used to the speed.

Impis or Keshiks.. decisions decisions.

count me in

Since it is quick and no TT, how about a rather crowded map so as to not overpower expanding peacefully too much? On that note it is pretty damn hard to chose independent of if the map will be crowded or not. This is obviously up to you(unless 18 people sign up). Since this very much affect the game it would be nice to know beforehand...

up to 8 players will be standard size ...9-12 large..water level medium or high depending on players.

I'm interested, too, but I'll be absent until monday... You can count me in if you don't start until than...
I have BTS 3-13, think that it wouldn't be a problem...

So rather crowded then, good.

We will wait to start this until Tuesday 19/02. Max players is 12 so another 4 spots left.

Start thinking about your leaders, and post them by Monday.

I choose Washington of the Mayans.

I am interested in this. I will be Darius of England

I'm interested if there's still space. You can random leader me.

Hesterate there is space..I suggest you pick a leader though

Well, if you're going to twist my arm about it ..... :)

Washington of Ethiopia

I'll play if you'll have me. Huyana Capac of India sounds good.

Wang Kon of Mali - please

I would like to play. This would be my first PitBoss experience. Is that ok? Let me know and I'll pick a leader.

I volunteer to take the last spot. Mansa Musa of India, please.

edit: oops, the last spot just went I guess..

dandridge i don't think it is full before there are 18? I'll go with alexander of ethiopia.

I'll choose Peter of Arabia.

Who's left to pick from? I don't really care who I am.

Duplicates are allowed so you can pick anything you want. I advise to read this thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=252677 as it is unrestricted leaders which is quite different from normal play. Though as alot of people have shown indian fast workers obviously get better when the entire map is forests(in addition to things mentioned in this thread). Setting yourself into what traits and civ you play with before you start playing as well as the map(for example there won't be much water fighting on this map so the dutch or portugal are probably not a good idea), can really help your game(although not as much as basic tactics and strategies obviously...).

I'd like to play too if someone falls out or if you decide to have more than 12 ppl

are you sure about quick speed though?
I thought that was only needed in fast-paced online play so you don't have to sit in front of your computer for a whole day whenever you play a game

Quick might be usefull in pitboss as well, to finish the game in 8 months instead of a year. Without live sessions games take too long in other speeds...and this game has too many people for a live session..

I think 14 players are enough for this game, it will be crowded anyway and more would be packed.

So we can start Tuesday after we all pick leaders.

I choose Sitting Bull of Celts. If that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard of let me know. I've never played this unlimited leader type.

Well kelts uu and UB both sucks so i would say it is far from optimal... Sitting bull could be ok but have no synergy with that civ... leader depends on playstyle while civ is much easier to judge...

I chose civ based on starting techs and what I plan to do with the leader. What else should I look at for the civ?

Why are you banning the Jaguar but allowing the Impi? The Impi is much more dangerous, in my opinion.

The impis do not take cities as easily as the jags and are not untouchable in forests + require resource....you can take zulu if you want as well, dublicate leaders & civs are allowed

Well there are more civs with those starting techs with uu's and ubs that do something... when chosing a civ you often look for either a strong uu and/or ub with decent starting techs. The starting techs only matter the first 20-40 turns of the game so chosing a civ only based on that is often not the best idea but it can be a tiebreaker between close choices... As for leader, as i said that is more up to playstyle and what you want to plan to do with the game so i don't see a problem with that, in fact the leader you chose is very close to the leader i chose.

Levgre i believe he is banning the jaguar because it is resourceless and hence by chosing the aztec you are guaranteed to get it and the bonus promotion it starts with is very relevant for this map. I think both bannings are rather silly.. Then again none have chosen the Zulus so there might be other things people are looking for than a very fast chocking unit(which is why i don't think aztecs will be a problem anyways). Sure it is not much fun for the people who get it used against them, however it isn't going to win you the game unless you get lucky with the guy you are attacking being incompetent(sure you can ruin his game no matter but for you to actually gain from it he have to not have much in the way of defenders). if you compare the two units straight up impis are actually a bit harder to get cause they require a resource and with a promotion the jaguars can move two and get very high defensive bonus in forests which make them way better choke units. If you think the impi is so overpowered just play the Zulus yourself(the UB is very good and the UU is quite nice so i can't see why not). Ragnar seems like a good leader for them but any aggressive leader probably works very well(depends on play style what other trait you want..).

EDIT: ofc another reason is that he didn't want to play aztecs while he wanted to play zulus :p

Ok, I'm changing to CHina (Sitting Bull of China)

See that is a choice a can totaly understand :p. The chineese UU is arguably one of the most powerfull in the game(imo). It combos very nicely with protective(as your leader is). The UB is not that hot most of the time but it can help with cultural wars, getting cultural defense up faster or maybe even winning a cultural victory(although unlikely on this map imo). The techs are way different but i am sure you understand that. You lose the option of going for an early religion, however there are many people(me included) who often think it is smart to skip a religion for more needed techs like mining and BW(on this map that is important, though so is the hunting you lose but hunting is a cheap tech so can be teched way before you get your first worker anyways).

Sure it is not much fun for the people who get it used against them, however it isn't going to win you the game unless you get lucky with the guy you are attacking being incompetent(sure you can ruin his game no matter but for you to actually gain from it he have to not have much in the way of defenders).


Impis with cover beat archers, and of course they beat chariots handedly. Axemen are the only counter to Impis. So as long as you can get to them before they hook up copper, the player basically inevitably does not have much in defenders, so it does not have much to do with incompetence. I've been destroyed by Impi's often in MP when I was stranded without metal/the Impi's blocked it. It is completely a matter of luck for the defending player in some regards, as there is only one way to truly defeat the Impi rush. A horde of archers could fight them off somewhat, but you'd need a strong numerical advantage against 4.4 str +25 vs archery, much less efficient, hammer wise.

I'll just pick a unit that counters them though(Dog Warriors or skirmishers probably)... so I'm not personally worried, I just think they are very powerful. Ironworking, hence Jaguars, take another crucial 10-15 turns to get, guaranteeing that the defending player will have been able to
1. chop woods and build roads near the city, so choking isn't as viable. Without woods the jaguar just becomes another swordsmen.
2. Have metal hooked up, to get axemen who handily counter jaguars.
3. Or, as a still suitable option, use lots of chariots to take down the jaguars.

Oyzar you must be academic

haha, I was searching threads on Impi's to get other peoples' opinions, and it seems Indiansmoke agrees with me :p

"Impis are the best UU for multiplayer. Mobility is invaluable especially in a unit that is a counter to chariots. Nothing can catch them.. more so when you play simultanious turns.

Other UU like the dog soldier or the Skirmishers are nice but can be countered without too much pain.

It is not accidental that most players choose Shaka for 1vs1 matches

For single player I prefer other units like the quencha for example as they provide an easy early rush against the stupid AI."

LOL yes, but in this map jags are better, anyway pick the zulu you seem to like them as well.

I'd like to be Willem of the Zulu

about the speed, I was thinking, if we're already willing to invest so much time into a game, might as well make it as balanced as possible

in quick, it's much easier to boom, because if someone attacks you, you can create an army that much faster
for attackers, by the time you build your army, the target might already have the next generation of units
I feel there isn't really enough time for interaction between players - wars are not as profitable, neither is spreading religions, or active espionage - basically everything that involves moving units is slightly less effective just because the time it takes you to achieve your goals is a much bigger chunk of the total game time

if someone pulls ahead, the other players have that much less time to react (and with cooperation already being a weak point of most players, it's that much easier for someone to become too powerful and achieve the snowball effect - before others even realize it, someone could potentially fly away in tech or start gobbling opponents one by one)

if you are set on quick, I'll still play
just trying to make a case here in hopes of you changing your mind

LOL yes, but in this map jags are better, anyway pick the zulu you seem to like them as well.

Yeah, i'm heavily considering Budaka or Ragnar of Zulu

I'd like to be Willem of the Zulu

about the speed, I was thinking, if we're already willing to invest so much time into a game, might as well make it as balanced as possible

in quick, it's much easier to boom, because if someone attacks you, you can create an army that much faster
for attackers, by the time you build your army, the target might already have the next generation of units
I feel there isn't really enough time for interaction between players - wars are not as profitable, neither is spreading religions, or active espionage - basically everything that involves moving units is slightly less effective just because the time it takes you to achieve your goals is a much bigger chunk of the total game time

if someone pulls ahead, the other players have that much less time to react (and with cooperation already being a weak point of most players, it's that much easier for someone to become too powerful and achieve the snowball effect - before others even realize it, someone could potentially fly away in tech or start gobbling opponents one by one)

if you are set on quick, I'll still play
just trying to make a case here in hopes of you changing your mind
Quick speed enhances mistakes, but that is not inherently bad. I will tell you all one tip that will win this game the one with the most workers in Arboria will win.

if that is you belief, why are you not playing some expansive indian civ? An indian with less workers might very well get more out of them than a non-indian civ with more workers..

I'm interested if there's room left.

15 players or 14 players is not much different if we go with huge so i would be pleased to see US join us :p.

Yes no problem you are in Unconquered.....16 players would be better for huge... so looking for 1 more

if that is you belief, why are you not playing some expansive indian civ? An indian with less workers might very well get more out of them than a non-indian civ with more workers..
Expansive isnt as good as it once was. The health is helpful on this map but a few (25%) hammers for workers doesnt do much as far as getting them faster as a whole, just the first one maybe.

Thinking about it though, can I change to Elizabeth of India?

sure can change...I am rethinking my leader as well..played this map a few times and realized some things.

Question: If I move first on a turn and two other civs go to war, am I the one that has 6 hours to move first or is it the person declaring war?

The rule about moving first is only between the war partners.. The problems arises when there are more than 2 people in a war though. What is there are 6 people in a war(3 on each side?) how does the rules work then?

The rule about moving first is only between the war partners.. The problems arises when there are more than 2 people in a war though. What is there are 6 people in a war(3 on each side?) how does the rules work then?

Yes this can get complicated, so the only thing we can do in a case of multiple people in the same war, is to keep the 1 log in per turn rule and no double moves at end of turn.

I'm back, and ready for action...
I will choose my leader soon, for now is enough just to read all misses posts :)

Leader: Wang Kon
Civ: Babylonia

Huayna Capac of India

We have to make a decision on the map size.

Huge map with 15 players and high sea gives plenty of room for expansion 8-11 cities. Large map with low sea gives less room 4-7 cities.

The 2 alternative settings will lead to quite different gameplay and posibly leader choice.

Personnaly i think that unless we find at least 2 more players, huge map might be too much. So please post your thoughts and preferences on this.

I am sure 2 more players is easy to locate...

I think i want to change my civ. I still want to be Darius, but of the HRE. I think that is a better fit of the traits and my UB.

yup, my leader/civ decision was made assuming mapsize=huge

go back to large and I'd probably change

A local ice storm has me disconnected from my ISP. My cable company is sending a tech to check the wiring Wednesday morning. It looks like you won't be starting until after then anyway.

Is it too late to join??

If not I will play as Egypt->Hatshepsut

ok, to try something different I will play as SALADIN of babylon

Cane pointed me over here so if theres still space ill be

Ragnar of India.

my vote is for huge with high sea
seems like we got the players

Arboria has no sea level afaik ;)

Is it too late to join this one? If not I'd like to play.

Ok 18 players closed....pick your leaders with Huge medium sea level.

Medium sea level is going to be rather cramped :p. Guess it is no choice on arboria eh?

I'm joining the chorus of changing leaders as well :)

I'll switch to Boudica of Ethiopia

Loads of ormo warriors, impis, bowmen/skirms and tons of fast workers. Will be interesting to see what strategy is best of those...

A local ice storm has me disconnected from my ISP. My cable company is sending a tech to check the wiring Wednesday morning. It looks like you won't be starting until after then anyway.

My ISP is connected again so I guess they fixed the problem somewhere outside of the building.

Ok 18 players closed....pick your leaders with Huge medium sea level.

mines still the same.

I will take Hannibal of Mali...

Changing my selection to:

Hannibal of the Native Americans

For now, I'll be Pacal II of the Malinese (probably my final choice, as we don't have much time left)

The game will launch today Tuesday!!!

Please all recheck that you have your desired leader/civ and make any final changes by 19/02 16:00 GMT.

Since we will be 18 people, if you have to go away for a few days you either find a sub (who is not in this game) or ask me to kick to AI. the game will not stop.

If more than 2 people are in the same war, then there are no rules only the 1 log in per turn applies.

Since there are alot of people with the same leader you need to tell us which position in the login screen the different people are. Thanks :). Game on..

Since there are alot of people with the same leader you need to tell us which position in the login screen the different people are. Thanks :). Game on..

As listed in the first page ;)

Just so people know, my comp is awful, if im at war i'll try and stick to the one log in thing but more often than not my comp kicks me out if it gets in a mood! But if it does happen i should be logging in straight after i get kicked out.

How will we log in? Direct IP or Gamespy?

Direct ip...Hamatchi

If more than 2 people are in the same war, then there are no rules only the 1 log in per turn applies.[/B]

This can easily be exploited even by fake wars. It means that if 2 players attack against 1 they can freely DM.

Does this also mean that in wars where more than 2 players are involved and you're the last one to make your moves in a turn you actually are forced to DM. Or is it allowed to not DM and log in again during that turn?

Just have normal rules where people shouldn't DM unless absolute necessary? Wait as long as you can before taking your move if the person who moved before you haven't moved yet... That way we don't get people who try to exploit the 6 hr rule(6 hours is a very short time to log in if you don't know that a war have started...). Just prohibit DM entirely and roll back the turn if a DM does occur. That way we won't have any of...

It is difficult to monitor the moves if more than 2 players are at war.

Dandridge what do you propose?

Oyzar what is meant by absolutely necessary?

Also prohibiting DM for how many hours? At some point people have to take their move or they will miss it. With different time zones there will be days where you have to take your move 10-12 hours before the end of turn or you will miss it.

I believe people should be prepared for double moves in wars with more than 2 people and plan accordingly...otherwise very long situation specific rules have to be implemented which is not good.

It will be messy I know....but in Arboria map with 18 players....it is bound to get messy.....I like it!!!

As long as necessary is as long as you can afford to wait before you will miss your turn. Sure sometimes it will be only 10 hrs but a lot of the time you can afford to wait longer...

As long as necessary is as long as you can afford to wait before you will miss your turn. Sure sometimes it will be only 10 hrs but a lot of the time you can afford to wait longer...

Yes but this is something that cannot be monitored...so not really an option.

Another option is to keep the order the war was joined, for as many players join it, but with different time zones it will be difficult to keep that if not impossible.

How are you going to let us know of the Hamachi address?

I will PM everyone later today

Yes but this is something that cannot be monitored...so not really an option.

Its pretty easily monitored if we use CivStats.. Which I assume we do..

Well, at least the 6 hours rule should be in effect no matter how many parties are in a war.

Its pretty easily monitored if we use CivStats.. Which I assume we do..

What is monitored in civstats? How long you can wait before taking yoiur turn?

Well, at least the 6 hours rule should be in effect no matter how many parties are in a war.

So what you say is the last person who moved before new turn, should wait 6hours for the other players to take their turns before moving again?

I'm willing to be a sub in this game if someone needs one.

Bernout

I'm willing to be a sub in this game if someone needs one.

Bernout

Thanks for offering Bernout :)

Yes but this is something that cannot be monitored...so not really an option.

Someone will obviously post in the thread if some injustice have happened and it is very very easy to check it through civstats... If they don't report it you can DM as much as you want since it doesn't matter.. Obviously you have to wait at least 6 hrs but there should be an understanding that people should wait as much as they can.. Just a gentlemen agreement as the game become much more pleasant to play when there are no double moves...

Also there are seldom more than 2 parts in a war(ie at war with two civs that are at war with each other). And in those wars it should be easy to say that the first side should move first and the second side should move second(see the last few posts in oob's 4th game thread for an example of this).

Someone will obviously post in the thread if some injustice have happened and it is very very easy to check it through civstats... If they don't report it you can DM as much as you want since it doesn't matter.. Obviously you have to wait at least 6 hrs but there should be an understanding that people should wait as much as they can.. Just a gentlemen agreement as the game become much more pleasant to play when there are no double moves...

Also there are seldom more than 2 parts in a war(ie at war with two civs that are at war with each other). And in those wars it should be easy to say that the first side should move first and the second side should move second(see the last few posts in oob's 4th game thread for an example of this).

Ideally you are right, but also think of the poor host :sad: Reloading all the time and resolving player disputes...

...Obviously you have to wait at least 6 hrs but there should be an understanding that people should wait as much as they can.. Just a gentlemen agreement as the game become much more pleasant to play when there are no double moves...

Also there are seldom more than 2 parts in a war(ie at war with two civs that are at war with each other). And in those wars it should be easy to say that the first side should move first and the second side should move second(see the last few posts in oob's 4th game thread for an example of this).

Exactly. 6 hours is already quite short time, since many people sleep or work over 6 hours a day;) . Many pitboss games have 12 hours rule.

Exactly. 6 hours is already quite short time, since many people sleep or work over 6 hours a day;) . Many pitboss games have 12 hours rule.

Exactly ..... That is why i think free rules are more in order.

12 hours is alot in 20 hour timer.

Example.

New turn starts at 9 in the afternoon. after 12 hours it is 9 in the morning...I am at work and cannot take turn...At 5 in the afternoon new turn starts....I am still at work....missed my turn completely....

So you should wait at least 6 hrs(imo 8-10 hrs is way better though). Timezones is very public information, if everyone else finish their turns and you declare and end the turn at 1 AM in morning for your target odds are he won't be on before 7 and hence you get a free double move at the start of the war which can be very devastating.. After 6 hrs you can login but it should be a norm(not a rule) that people wait as long as possible giving their opponent time to play before taking their turn so as to avoid double costs at all cost ideally explaining in this thread why they could not wait longer... Double moves are very much no fun and as such should be avoided...

Yes 6 hours is more logical....agreed we will try to keep that

So are we starting?? (waiting anxiously...)

We are later when I get back home.....

Nevermind.

Can someone point me to a tutorial about Hamachi. never used it before.

go here http://hamachi.en.softonic.com/ ...download...install...and then press the little button at the bottom right that says join network...I will PM you when I start the game the network name and password to join

When do you get home from work? Isn't it around 8 p.m. in Greece right now? (not trying to hurry you, just curious)

It is 20 to 8....have extra work today!!!!

I also suggest that we sometimes repeat our moves, only because someone double-move someone other (because of bad timing turn). This can be good if all users can quickly repeat their's moves

Notice that hamachi have a max of 16 people per network so we can't actually fit everyone into the same network. This isn't actually bad for connecting to the game since it is easy for the people already in indiansmokes other game to join through that, however it does limit the ability for people to chat with each other using hamachis chat function(which is way better than just using civstats as it allows for real time communication..).

Ok the game is up check your PM for details.

In Hamatchi there are only 16 players so we need 2 voluntears to not join the Hamatchi and connect directly through the ip address.

Please pick leaders in the order you are listed in the starting page

Also password to register leader in civ stats is: masters

Said wrong in the PM

joined without using Hamachi (directIP), in case others need the slots

well, connected fine, but been waiting 5 minutes for my warrior to take a step..

joined without using Hamachi (directIP), in case others need the slots

well, connected fine, but been waiting 5 minutes for my warrior to take a step..

weird....your pc old?

weird....your pc old?

not at all. huge 18civ AI games run fine, (5seconds/turn in modern, almost instant in ancient)

disco'ed and reconnected, its fine now

I have a serious problem with my hamachi :(
I downloaded it long ago. Now it keeps telling me that my premium license has expired. It seems like I cant join a network. I already tried to reinstall it - didn't work. The website offers a downgrade - didn't work either.
When I try to go online I always get an error message: 'Mediation server has rejected your login request.'

Try uninstalling and reinstalling hamachi(the free version?

Try uninstalling and reinstalling hamachi(the free version?

I already did that.

I have a serious problem with my hamachi :(
I downloaded it long ago. Now it keeps telling me that my premium license has expired. It seems like I cant join a network. I already tried to reinstall it - didn't work. The website offers a downgrade - didn't work either.
When I try to go online I always get an error message: 'Mediation server has rejected your login request.'

No need for Hamatchi ... log in directly to the ip 5.43.221.31:9999

No need for Hamatchi ... log in directly to the ip 5.43.221.31:9999

Couldn't connect to host. Timeout :(

That is the hamachi ip, not your ip lol... Hamachi sets up that... You can find your own ip easily enough though...

Phew. It was hard and I dont really know what I did, but i think i got it now :)

I hope there aren't any ppl in this game that know each other in real life...
or at least let's hope no one will make cheesy alliances based JUST on that

I hope there aren't any ppl in this game that know each other in real life...
or at least let's hope no one will make cheesy alliances based JUST on that

No TT so alliances are not as important, however there are bound to be some alliances through the game, you can't fight everyone on your own after all...

Try uninstalling and reinstalling hamachi(the free version?

offtopic: if you want to reinstall Hamachi, it is not enough just to install again. You must change some settings via command prompt- I forgot exactly what, but I did it once, search with google ;)

Bst wishes to all players:)

alliances are ok, as long as they're not because ppl know each other in real life, but because of what's happening in the game, or game-related communication

predetermined alliances based on knowing the real person (and therefore probably set in stone) are just incredibly cheap

I had to face a 3-way alliance in my last game, and actually got kicked by the host after it became clear that I'll win the war 'cause he sucked at the game as did his friends

alliances are ok, as long as they're not because ppl know each other in real life, but because of what's happening in the game, or game-related communication

predetermined alliances based on knowing the real person (and therefore probably set in stone) are just incredibly cheap

I had to face a 3-way alliance in my last game, and actually got kicked by the host after it became clear that I'll win the war 'cause he sucked at the game as did his friends

That sounds rather bad.. That said i have allied with a friend of the host who just wanted to kick his friends ass once(although that was with tt so it mattered much more).

Heck, it wouldn't be hard to enter as 2 players and have an alliance with yourself. Fact is we are trusting one another to play fair, just like we trust people not to abuse double-moves.

Im more than happy to be one of the two that logs in direct via IP as i dont fancy installing this hamachi thing.

It has to be Oyzar and bjarkerk i am afraid since they are already in another network with me...sorry.

Please install hamatchi if you cannot connect to the ip i send you, it's free and not causing any trouble as far as I know.

How do I connect to this without using Hamachi?

EDIT: Nevermind, I got in.

multiplayer
directIP
paste the ip.ip.ip.ip: port from your PM in the slot

It has to be Oyzar and bjarkerk i am afraid since they are already in another network with me...sorry.

Please install hamatchi if you cannot connect to the ip i send you, it's free and not causing any trouble as far as I know.

Both whiplash and leverge are also in that network :p

Both whiplash and leverge are also in that network :p

Is this a problem?

I'm connected to Hamachi. Once I do that do I just go into Civ and connect via direct IP?

I'm connected to Hamachi. Once I do that do I just go into Civ and connect via direct IP?


yeah




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Is this a problem?

No, but it means there are more options for who have to forgo the ability to chat through hamachi... I use this function alot and would hate to miss it..

I'd rather not use Hamatchi if it's not a problem, is there a direct IP I can use ?

predetermined alliances based on knowing the real person (and therefore probably set in stone) are just incredibly cheap

I had to face a 3-way alliance in my last game, and actually got kicked by the host after it became clear that I'll win the war 'cause he sucked at the game as did his friends

I was in that game, too, and won it after all, since the others quit one by one - including the host (and you were kicked). Dull.

No, but it means there are more options for who have to forgo the ability to chat through hamachi... I use this function alot and would hate to miss it..


I will stay out of the network myself....so only one voluntear needed

I will stay out of the network myself....so only one voluntear needed

Nope still two... 16 including the creator.. @ IanDC, pretty sure Indiansmoke have some sort of firewall or router prohibiting direct ip as i tested it.. That said there are currently 15 people at the network and both CH and IanDC have yet to connect(meaning only one of them can join since the network is full...). You do need to get hamachi to connect unless you can figure out some other way to do it...

Nope still two... 16 including the creator.. @ IanDC, pretty sure Indiansmoke have some sort of firewall or router prohibiting direct ip as i tested it.. That said there are currently 15 people at the network and both CH and IanDC have yet to connect(meaning only one of them can join since the network is full...). You do need to get hamachi to connect unless you can figure out some other way to do it...

I PMed Ian DC the ip, I am not sure why you could not connect Oyzar as I have used direct ip without Hamatchi with success before.

have you got all the relevant ports opened in your router?

Now we are 16... Still missing CH though.

I am on premium trial for Hamatchi at the momment so unlimited people can join the network....this will last for 30 days...hopefully we will short out a solution up to then as I don't want to pay to get premium if it is not needed.

I've downloaded Hamachi & joined ok via that, didn't have any joy with the direct ip.

A new turn has started.

Now that we all settled nicely it is time to let you know of a few extra rules:

Rule 1
You never declare war on me, I can only declare war on you.

Rule 2
You don't build the Oracle & you don't tech Liberialism....these are mine

Rule 3
If you get Music first you gift me the GA

Rule 4
I am open to more suggestions that will improve game quality and make me finish sooner :goodjob:

Thats not fair :p.

How do you chat in Hamachi?

What dictates when the next turn starts?

Rightclick the person you want to talk to and click chat. I am online now so we can talk...

Can someone pm me the game ip and game password? I somehow deleted the prior pm.:(

Thanks Burliconi and Indiansmoke.

PM sent... :)

I'm having trouble getting in, anyone else?

I made some firewall changes...try again anyone who is having trouble

I'm having trouble getting in, anyone else?

I had, but then I turned on Hamachi and loged in without problems....

I'm asking this again since no one has replied. What dictates when the next turn starts? When I looked this morning, the next turn was scheduled to start around 10:15 (-6 GMT). By the time I got to work, the next turn had started (about 2 hours ahead of the scheduled time listed on CivStats this morning).

when all finish their turns next turn starts

to clarify.
if everyone finishes their turn, new turn starts immediately
otherwise it starts when the time runs out

And the timer doesn't really counts seconds. One real second is more like something between 1-1,5 seconds in game, depending on the lag.

i can't register my leader on civstats... no matter what it says my password is incorrect. Anyone else having problems?

you using masters right?

ah, that worked for me... Indiansmoke said in a Private Message there wasn't any password, I tried the password for the regular game also.

In now, thnx

It is written on the last page or the one before that that the pm was wrong.

How do you register a leader. I can't find anything on the site about it?

Register yourself with the site(top right corner) then log in. Then click on the game then click on register your leader.

If people need to contact me about the game can they use civstats please or go to cdz. Don't let the p/c fool you these days im very rarely here and so if its urgent i probably wont see it until time has passed.

Why does CivStats not know what nation I am? I registered the game.

'cause you must be using a bts leader
i wonder if whoever made civstats plans to update it

Read the civstats thread if you wonder about things about civstats. He have a version 2 scheduled somewhere in the future that will probsably fix most things. Leaders don't work past bts and even so it doesn't work for unrestricted leaders very well..

I can't connect to Hamachi. It appears to be on my end, which is extremely annoying. [pissed]

Never mind since I was finally able to connect to hamachi.

I've been getting the same problem with Hamatchi today but it looks like it's finally connected.

I have some deer for trade. Please contact me if you are interested.

Never mind since I was finally able to connect to hamachi.
I get a "too many people on Hamachi" message. Worked fine this morning though. Cant say Im a fan of the thing so far (its reconnecting.... currently).

I'll trade you 2 silver and a gold for your deer, interested?

Where did you get from those 2 silver :p

There are plenty of silver on the map i am more interested in where he got the gold as that is uberrare to non-existant on the map..

I also popped 2 settlers, 3 techs, lascivious pics of Mauer's mom, and a mint copy of Batman #1 from huts.

wow nice, how do you keep your score so low then? not settle any cities?

I also popped 2 settlers, 3 techs, lascivious pics of Mauer's mom, and a mint copy of Batman #1 from huts.

.....and 39 gold....
:lol:

I also popped 2 settlers, 3 techs, lascivious pics of Mauer's mom, and a mint copy of Batman #1 from huts.

Batman #1!!!! :goodjob:

Uploader is not connected to civstats.

I get a "too many people on Hamachi" message. Worked fine this morning though. Cant say Im a fan of the thing so far (its reconnecting.... currently).

I'll trade you 2 silver and a gold for your deer, interested?

I think we have a deal. :deal:

With civstats down, if you are the last player to play, then post here.

If the current turn takes the whole 20 hours the next one will beginn in about 4-5 hours

A new turn has happened, just for anyone who wanted to know.

Turn is due to tick in a little over an hour - 1 player left in current turn.

a new turn has begun

Indiansmoke, can you kick BS_Prophet (my in-game nick) from the Hamachi network? I am back to my own place after spending a week at my rents. I can't join from here unless you kick the other account... I forgot to leave on my own

It shouldn't be necessary unless the network is full and if it is, it will still be it after he kick your other nick i think.. I've been on a hamachi network with up to 3 different computers(and hence hamachi ips) before.

Ok kicked..

Im going on a short trip wednesday to saturday so can no-one take my place please :)

Just get a substitute for that time? It shouldn't be that hard...

we already have one subscriber, I think...

Remember please...substitute that is not in this game and is not subbing anyone else

Just get a substitute for that time? It shouldn't be that hard...

I'm not going to ask someone to go to the trouble of downloading something for only what'll probably be three turns. I'll just AI myself- i was just stating so no-one takes my place whilst im gone.

I'm not going to ask someone to go to the trouble of downloading something for only what'll probably be three turns. I'll just AI myself- i was just stating so no-one takes my place whilst im gone.

taking over for 3 turns is very little effort. Losing 3 turns in the early game or even worse giving them to the AI doesn't seem like my idea of fun :p. I would find a sub if i was gone for even 1 turn for most of my games... I just don't think it is fair to myself(and the rest of the players) to not play the best possible...

taking over for 3 turns is very little effort. Losing 3 turns in the early game or even worse giving them to the AI doesn't seem like my idea of fun :p. I would find a sub if i was gone for even 1 turn for most of my games... I just don't think it is fair to myself(and the rest of the players) to not play the best possible...

Seeing as the AI doesnt actually change anything initially after you retiring, only when current build queues/tech path end i dont have anything to worry about on that front. I dont know many other players who would bother to find a sub for one turn tbh. I'm confident in the AI's ability not to mess too much up.

finally able to connect. No clue why i couldn't

The AI is moronic. It empties garrisons, switches civics, etc. You'd be better off by by finding someone to hit shift+enter.

Most players who are somewhat serious would do best not to let the AI play for them indeed...

The AI is moronic. It empties garrisons, switches civics, etc. You'd be better off by by finding someone to hit shift+enter.

I agree, but at this point in the game, what can the AI do? Send your garrison warrior exploring? If I ever intended to trust the AI, now would be the time. It can't farm over my cottages, switch to serfdom, or trade away my techs cause I don't have any of those things yet.

This BCLG character must be some kind of pacifist English weirdo. The nerve, AI!

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It took them 99 years to achieve a #1 ranking and 1 week to lose it. Terribly refed game on both sides though.

Most players who are somewhat serious would do best not to let the AI play for them indeed...

Well made point. BCLG should not be taken seriously.

well, maybe he just found that real life is more interested that CIV ;)

I'm back now, my flagging reputation in tatters, this is my first pitboss afterall!

Apologies for the delay, i used the shortkey to switch to AI but it doesnt seem to have actually done so!

I'm back now, my flagging reputation in tatters, this is my first pitboss afterall!

Apologies for the delay, i used the shortkey to switch to AI but it doesnt seem to have actually done so!

You have to retire to go to AI. Or have the host kick you to AI. I am wondering if retiring could be abused though as it will give you the start locs of everyone as well of the map... And with 14K posts one wouldn't belive that this is your first pitboss :p Welcome to the world of pitboss then.

This would be his first one here. I know that he has played pitboss for a few games that I have been in for OT, surprisingly.

It must suck to get eliminated so early... But with these settings it was bound to happen. It is also an insane advantage to get 2 capitals so early...

This would be his first one here. I know that he has played pitboss for a few games that I have been in for OT, surprisingly.

Lies, id be more inclined to go with what Mauer says as he won the last pitboss i was in with him...

It must suck to get eliminated so early... But with these settings it was bound to happen. It is also an insane advantage to get 2 capitals so early...

As you can tell from civstats it was me but i did it with hesitation- but thats what happens if you leave your capital undefended.

I am not saying you shouldn't have done it obviously... I would not have hesitated at all. I am just shocked about how indiansmoke could let his capital stay undefended for 5 turns in a row when he have a warrior within sight of his capital...(assuming you don't have chariots already... which requires both wheel and AH as well as horses under the capital).

And it seems that it was made by an allowed double move though I have no idea whether it had any effect to the result. Absolutely it was not a forbidden DM, since BCLG100 gave enough time for Indiansmoke to make his move. Anyway I hope everyone is aware that for example with Chariots and Impis it's possible to legally attack a city behind 4 squares with the rules of this game.

Huts are on. Forester II.

Besides, Indiansmoke hasn't logged on any pitboss for quite a while now. He missed his entire turn on BTS Highlands.

Ah, well i said huts were unbalanced ;).

So is it our host that's out already? I think if I host a game, which I may try and do pretty soon, I'll make a rule.....I must be allowed to win.....and bears with large guns must be on isolated islands.

EDIT: Speaking of, Christmas is over you goober!

I just came back from beeing away for the weekend and found I am eliminated!

I only lost 2 turns (since i could not find sub), it would have taken 6 moves to get to the capital, but obviously I did not count on woodsman2 promo!

I just checked civstats and what happend seems impossible. I was eliminated only 1 turn after my last move!

When I played my last move there was no enemy warrior in sight, from line of sight you would need 5 moves at least to reach capital. Assuming woodsman2 Elcad could make 2 moves the turn i played and 2 moves the turn i missed. There is still 1 move missing.....BCLG please explain

I just checked civstats and what happend seems impossible. I was eliminated only 1 turn after my last move!

When I played my last move there was no enemy warrior in sight, from line of sight you would need 5 moves at least to reach capital. Assuming woodsman2 Elcad could make 2 moves the turn i played and 2 moves the turn i missed. There is still 1 move missing.....BCLG please explain

I would have preferred not to go into great detail for obvious reasons, i popped a hut awhile ago showing me where your borders were, 4 turns ago i popped a hut with extra exp, giving it the woodsmen two promos. I moved it to outside your borders (At this point i dont recall whether you'd actually played the turn or not) within two MP of your city though i couldnt see what was in it. The turn after i made sure you'd played your turn and moved in and attacked with my double move through forest and jungle. You simply must have missed the warrior as it was outside your borders when you pressed enter for at least one turn.

I do apologise for eliminating you early as its no fun to ruin someones game and i hope that someone will stop playing so you can take their place! (at least you'd be able to sub for me if the need arose!)

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Woodsman 2 as already said.. you can see the warrior popped a hut for xp as was already mentioned... SW S S SE. As BCLG100 i don't think it is fair to post a lot of screen shots in the thread...

Ok after talking to indiansmoke we figured this out...

Im seriously not understanding just how i could have cheated. its not like i have access to world builder.

It didn't have anything to do with cheating.. It was just that the AI moved the units when indiansmoke looked up the auto saves and hence it made no sense whatsoever... You can talk to him if you want any more explanation.

Sorry for asking explanations about the moves, was confused when checking the autosaves, did not realize that the ai moves at the start of turn when simultanious turns are on. So what I was seeing was actually the ai moves and not yours.

Hamachi is having some problems again. I might need to play when I get up.

I got in, however indiansmoke have not gotten back yet so you won't get to play anyways....

Indiansmoke came on hamachi but then lost connection again.

I'll check when I get home...

This sucks when hamachi is like that.

You get in if you just try many enough times / long enough. IMO we should just reload this whole turn to give people enough time...

Yeah, only a few players got int for this turn.

I reloaded the turn as Hamatchi is having problems, 20 hours for all to take turn

yeah, me too had problems logging in whole day yesterday...

Odd, civstats says that everyoe has played, but who is still to play?

We are just waiting for Mauer to play. :whipped:

I tried to play YESTERDAY when the game was down, or whatever it was. I don't live on the internet man.

Gigaz and Ian apparantly, i logged in as i thought the turn would roll over.

apparantly not...

I see you got me before the edit. I went and checked to see cvistats and you were the only one not showing as played, but it seems that someone else has not played their turn, but might have played it earlier.

I have just send IanDC an email saying that he needs to replay his turn.

Played thanks

Now there is no more indiansmoke on hamachi.

We have a powercut in the area will get the last save back up when power resumes

game is back up

Look like only bjarker is missing taking his turn now.

Anyone else having problems logging in?

edit- managed to get in at last

The workers on the national energy business are on strike......so there are periodic power cuts all over Greece. The powercuts are usually 1-2 hours per area and happen 1-2 times a day in each area.

There is no sign as to when this will end, it could drag for a few days more.

Wierd there aren't more "strike" events in civ.