I know that Söğüt was the first capital of the Ottoman Empire but it was important for like 30 years and then declined and became a small village. for game-play reasons this Söğüt is a pain in the ass, it is too close to Istanbul and Konya and he's really annoying and useless. I suggest moving the Capital to Ankara, I know that it's the modern Turkish Capital but so does Beijing for China, Madrid for Spain, Berlin for Germany and Washington DC for the USA.

The third poll option should be: "I think it should be moved to another city in Anatolya!"

Beijing for China, Madrid for Spain, Berlin for Germany have been capital for centuries, unline Ankara.

I prefer Istanbul, but then you need to change the UHV :P

I don't like Soygut because it is in another civ's core land (Greece). It should be Anakara.

whenever im Turkey i just go strait for Istanbul so i dont really care lol

Whenever ive played Turkey ive not built Sögut and just conquered Konya and automatically its been my capitol in all my Turkish games, you dont really need to build Sögut so a change is not needed.

Beijing for China, Madrid for Spain, Berlin for Germany have been capital for centuries, unline Ankara.

Beijing has only been the capital since the Yuan dynasty (Khabaliq), even though it was the capital for the Jin dynasty, the Jin people are not really considered "Chinese" in most Chinese history textbooks. It was the capital for the state of Yen (which is counted as one of the warring states so it is Chinese), but the Qin state conquered all the other states and became the first Chinese dynasty, and their capital was Xianyang. If you count the Mongols as invaders, then Beijing truly became the capital when the 3rd Ming emperor moved it there (i.e. last 600 years).

Xian, Chang'an, Luoyang, and Kaifeng are probably considered truly Chinese capitals, and I would prefer Chang'an since the Han dynasty is the first great dynasty (Chinese people still refer themselves as Han). Luoyang is also a good choice since it's the capital for the eastern Zhou dynasty for 600 years in the first millenium BC, and it's centrally located.

my decision:

The spawn point remains in Sogut.
The AI will automatically move the capital to Istanbul after its conquest.
When Turkey is a human player, it's up to him.

my decision:

The spawn point remains in Sogut.
The AI will automatically move the capital to Istanbul after its conquest.
When Turkey is a human player, it's up to him.

When you say automatically move the capital, does it mean there's a hit in stability? Also, it's up to the human player, but does he/she have to build another palace or can the capital be automatically moved to Istanbul (to avoid the instability in rebuilding a palace)?
Konya's not such a bad city if Sogut wasn't built.

no, there's no hit

Whenever ive played Turkey ive not built Sögut and just conquered Konya and automatically its been my capitol in all my Turkish games, you dont really need to build Sögut so a change is not needed.

You can also conquer Istanbul the second turn without founding Sögut. Istanbul will be your capital right away then.

Thats what I do

When you conquor Istanbul, doesn't it go into civil unrest for a period of turns?

I think it should be moved to Ancara

Well, the results speak for themselves. - We love Ankara!!!

I'm in favor of Akara myself.

Is it possible for Turkey's spawn to stay and then give it a 50/50 chance of moving? If it moves then by the time it's settled the 30 years of its importance (if the OP was right) are gone.

Ankara is the capital of secular modern Turkey whilst Istanbul is the capital of Ottoman Empire.

If we speak about Turkey and not about Ottoman Empire then Ankara should be the capital

Beijing has only been the capital since the Yuan dynasty (Khabaliq), even though it was the capital for the Jin dynasty, the Jin people are not really considered "Chinese" in most Chinese history textbooks. It was the capital for the state of Yen (which is counted as one of the warring states so it is Chinese), but the Qin state conquered all the other states and became the first Chinese dynasty, and their capital was Xianyang. If you count the Mongols as invaders, then Beijing truly became the capital when the 3rd Ming emperor moved it there (i.e. last 600 years).
Xian, Chang'an, Luoyang, and Kaifeng are probably considered truly Chinese capitals, and I would prefer Chang'an since the Han dynasty is the first great dynasty (Chinese people still refer themselves as Han). Luoyang is also a good choice since it's the capital for the eastern Zhou dynasty for 600 years in the first millenium BC, and it's centrally located.

Chang'an and Xian are considered as same city with different names as I was told in local history lesson and referential books, maybe due to their proximity(Really,really close, Dynamic names for cities?:lol:).
Of course it is a good candidate since Han and Tang are great dynasties. However the change may make someone feel unnatural. Unlike Kyoto, those cities are now simply provincial cities or shenghui (provincial capitals?)..

Also gameplay has to be taken into account;)
See the mountain-surrounded capital:lol:

Sorry for interrupting so far:crazyeye:

For the Turkish capital, I think it is a similar issue. And Rhye's decision is good, for me.

Ankara would not make sense.

I agree that Sogut and Konya are too close. Perhaps refrain from having the Byzantines build Iconium.
Sometimes I switch to Turkey and Sogut is already built. That hurts me. Istanbul is also a bit close.

I prefer Istanbul as the capital.

But Istanbul has to be earned. ;)

yea rhye plz!! In my current game Constantinople is barley guarded and the turks arent going after it! They are failing at life cuz their capitols production is so bad and its population is 2!!

I've already taken my decision and acted in consequence

In my current game Constantinople is barley guarded and the turks arent going after it!

This may be somewhat off topic, but I've noticed this as well. While this may not be the cause, I've noticed that the AI has difficulty moving land units between continents. Not only the Bosporus strait, but also the Sinai as well.

Some time ago, I left Byzantion (I was the Greeks) defended with only some weak unit (perhaps a legacy Phalanx?) and declared war on Turkey when they spawned. They never bothered to attack the city. Arabia also never seems to run its initial camel archers into Egypt, even if they've collapsed. I once did a similar experiment to the one above, only this time I played Egypt. When Arabia spawned, I declared war on them. I didn't end the war until after 1000, but the Arabs never sent troops across the Sinai peninsula.

I'm not sure if this is a bug, or just a general weakness in the AI. It may explain why AI Turkey rarely grabs Istanbul and why AI Arabia often doesn't attack Africa until Dardura culture flips, though.

that's why I made both the regions more likely to flip if in control of independents or barbarians