All right. Now if we want to end this war fast we have to organize, so let's get started here.

First of all, we have a ton of fleets especially in the North. However, the nations which have them don't have large armies. So we need to cooperate and use every fleet possible. Second, we need to seize as much territory as possible in two or three turns.

France has the largest army (8 armies in Province 8), but it is too far north to get to Italy in time. Therefore, it will attack Sweden. We'll get to that in a minute.

In the meantime, the other 5 French armies on the borders are heading south to attack Switzerland and North Italy.

Now, in order for the Armee Du Nord (the huge clump of French armies) to get to Sweden we need boats and fast. Luckily we can fit the whole army in 2 boats. BUT, we have 3 seas to cross.

Now, we can launch the ADN into the English Channel with 2 French Boats. One of these will be bought this turn and another will be moved from Bay of Biscay (H) to the Channel (D).

Next, 2 of the British boats in the North Sea (C) will get the Armee du Nord. Finally, one of the British boats in the North Sea will move to join the Prussian boat in E. There, the two boats will carry the ADN on their final leg of the journey.

The ADN will unload and destroy 69, the Swedish capital. Sweden won't have a chance against 8 armies.

In the meantime the British with their 15 gold can buy 1 fleet and 3 armies. The 3 armies will attack 68 via Sea C. Also, the fleet in A will pick up the Irish and Iceland armies, and take them to B to prepare for an attack on 66.

That takes care of 69 and 68. Meanwhile Russia has 16 Gold to spend. He can spend it by buying 5 armies and destroying Eastern Sweden. Or, he can take a risk, and buy a fleet in G to carry 62 to 64, meanwhile attacking via land from 63. It's your choice, Russia!

Then, that leaves Prussia, with 30 Gold, who can get 2 fleets for 10. That leaves them with 6 armies, and these can piggyback up the Baltic Sea to attack 67 and 65. When this happens Sweden will have 2 provinces left.

So, France will take 69, Britain will take 68, Russia will take 64 or 65, his choice, and Prussia will take 67 or 65, his choice.

That leaves the Swedish interior, but we can't reach that till next turn. And, he will only be able to buy 2 armies with his meager 2 provinces...

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Now we have to concentrate on Italy. Only Spain and Libya are in a position to attack Libya this turn, but France can help next turn (which will be the same turn we destroy Sweden if all goes well.)

Now, France's armies will move from 7 to 12, from 10 to 11, and from 12 to 13. That way next turn 2 armies each can attack 32 and 30. Even more so an army can be bought in Paris and move to 11, which means the attack on Switzerland will have 3, not 2.

In the meantime, Libya with 17 Gold has just enough for a fleet and 4 armies. I suggest you buy the fleet in L, load the armies onto it, and attack 27 or 28.

In the meantime the Libyan fleet in I and and the Spanish fleet in H will attack the Italian fleet in I to prevent it from landing armies.

At the same time, Spain will build a fleet in I, and 4 armies. These will load onto the fleet in I, transfer to the Libyan fleet in K, and attack Rome. That leaves you money for one last fleet which will pick up the armies from 20 and take them to I to prepare for a second attack on Italy.

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Now we have to move to the land grabs after the war.

France doesn't care who gets what but we do claim 3 lands: 69, 32, and 30. The last 2 we claimed but Italy took instead. The first is the result of the attack by the Armee du Nord as planned.

Here's a good way to get these kinds of things to work. Cryptography.

Russia has already purchased 5 armies. I plan to fight a convernanial ground war. I am not gonna buy fleets or anything, just 100% credits on armies.

Now, I have a plan for a post war world. I feel Sweden should be destroyed totally, while Italy should not be.Here are my plans for Italy.

Area 32 goes to Prussia.

Are 30 goes to France. The rest of Italy is returned to its government. After all, Italy is not the aggresor,Sweden is. It is my opionion the Sweden should be reformed into occupation sections untill we can decide what to do with it. The sections being

Russia-64,65,66

Britian- 68

Prussia- 69

France- 67

Now the reason Russia would get more land is because I am prolly going to lose the most armies fighting Sweden. I would need those sections to rebuild my army.

Excuse me? I think me and Libya deserve our fair share for getting involved. How about I say we carve up Italy and leave Sweden alone except for England and Prussia? Sounds more fair to me, but I won't.

If Italy wants to survive he can take back his declaration of war on my ally. Until then, I will fight him and destroy him.

I'd like 27 and 28 from Italy. Libya can recieve 29 invariably (this is a capital to make up for them only getting one territory), France 30 and 31, and Prussia can have 32--only one for them since they will most likely be committed more in the North. The Italians have no reason for continued exsistance and we see it fit that they don't.

I don't much care what happens in Sweden, and I hope the Tzar will come to the realization he shouldn't much care about what goes on down South from his frozen fort in the tundra.

I personally believe that if Sweden is willing to cooperate we can easily allow him cotninued exsistence in 69 and 67.

We hope that our Italian division proposal is accepted.

WHAT? You seem to be mistaken, my friend. Italy ONLY DECLARED WAR ON BRITIAN! You declared war on him because an Italian ship was in international waters! Seems to me like your a hypocrite who cares for nothing but himself. Saying you dont care what happens to your allies. Then insulting the Russian people? Well, sir, we dont take kindly to insults.

People, let's not argue.

First and foremost, Italy is at war with all of us. It doesn't matter if he only declared on Britain, we got dragged into the war on Britain's side. Therefore we have a right to destroy him unless he proposes a peace plan we agree to.

Also, I have declared unconditional war against both, and I will not rest until I receive 30, 31, and 69 in compensation.

In the meantime, unless you have an objection let's stick to the plan outlined above. It's the most useful way to move our armies.

Also I see no reason why I should have anything but 69 in Sweden. I don't plan to attack another part of Sweden, and nobody else can put 8 armies in Stockholm. If you want to give me another part of Sweden you can go conquer him yourself. If I help in Sweden instead of Italy, I want 69 for my help. The rest should go to Britain and Russia and Prussia, as I don't need anything else.

But it's ESSENTIAL we COOPERATE otherwise the convoy will fail. Three nations have to give orders that cooperate - England, France, and Prussia, or else Stockholm CAN'T fall.

We can end the war quickly by cooperation or bicker and drag it out and lose more lives.

ok, I will change my plans, so France gets 69 and Prussia gets 67. I still say we let Italy survive. Also, I feel after the war, I am going to emerge as a hated figure. I want to know why.

Originally posted by AnarchyRulz
WHAT? You seem to be mistaken, my friend. Italy ONLY DECLARED WAR ON BRITIAN! You declared war on him because an Italian ship was in international waters! Seems to me like your a hypocrite who cares for nothing but himself. Saying you dont care what happens to your allies. Then insulting the Russian people? Well, sir, we dont take kindly to insults.

You forget that I had a Mutual Protection Pact with the British and he inappropriately declared war on him, KNOWING that doing so would involve me.

If you want to get started about being selfish, let's look at your division for Sweden. You're clearly trying to make a fuss and get the most out of it. I suggest you shut your gaping trap before you get started toungelashing me and before you know one thing about itnernational politics.

Originally posted by Toasty



If you want to get started about being selfish, let's look at your division for Sweden. You're clearly trying to make a fuss and get the most out of it. I suggest you shut your gaping trap before you get started toungelashing me and before you know one thing about itnernational politics.

Those terrotoires are just divided UNTILL we decide what will be done to Sweden. Also, I will gladley give one of the terrotories to any other nation who attacks Sweden.

Greetings

My forces will strike 29 at the next turn.
I have only five provinces, that's why I claim Rome (29) AND province 27, for security purposes. I will attack province 27 after Rome annexed. I claim these two territories for two reasons that seem right at my eyes.
- I'm a nation with only five territories
- My armies will do much work in the war against Italy
I hope, dear allies, that you will understand my position.

Sorry dear Tzar, but you are too far away from mediterranean sea to rule other it for the moment. I'll attack and annex Rome with or without your consentment.

If you wish, I will help to annex other provinces but you have my words that I will retire as soon as the war with Italy is finished (during the splitting procedures).

But I claim Rome (29) and province 27 to be Lybian's lands.

At the attention of France and Spain.

I know your belonging to the catholic church and I know your friendship with the Pope. That's why I give you my words that the Vatican won't be invaded by my forces. I also assure you that religion liberty will be granted to all Italians annexed lands, at the image of Corsica and Sardaign.

OOC, Toasty and Anarchy stop bickering until you have an actual reason to. Sweden and Italy don't have a chance in hell against our combined might. Their SOLE chance is to turn us against each other. I would be very much surprised if several of you did not receive a PM in the next day or two from Sweden or Italy asking to double-cross the Alliance. Perhaps they've already done so and that's why you are arguing.

Russia, you are not a hated figure. I don't know why Toasty is arguing with you but since you can only rule Sweden, being too far away from Italy, you deserve 2 provinces, which is your fair share of the 12 total.

Unless someone has a HUGE argument against this, let's just use this as the split between us.

SWEDEN
France: 69
Russia: 66, 64
Prussia: 65
England: 67, 68

ITALY
France: 30, 31
Prussia: 32
Libya: 27, 29
Spain: 28

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I am not in favor of Libya giving up its hard earned provinces to Spain, which I know Spain will suggest. Spain already has more provinces than any other nation. Libya has the least (not to mention it will probably lose more to Italy next turn!).

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In the meantime, the MOST IMPORTANT thing to remember is the ADN convoy. That HAS to work, or else Sweden will take much longer to fall.

Remember, 2 French fleets are taking it to D, then 2 English fleets are carrying it in C, the 3rd English fleet is moving to E, and it and the Prussian fleet in E are carrying it the last leg.

Hey, where's Prussia? Has anyone heard from him?

Russia would like 64 and 65, giving Prussia 66.

Also, Perhaps France could give up 69, so we can set up a provisional Swedish government. We would not let them get strong, in fact, perhaps demiliterize them. This way, we can send Swedish refugees. Also, we need to letSwedish nationalism havea place to stay.

28 is too far away. If I'm only getting one province, I might as well get 27. Funny how you get two, but I want you to know that I'll take whatever I can get and that I'll be the major power in the war against Italy. 7 armies and 3 fleets--I don't think any other nation can offer that many forces that quickly or possibly at any point in time.

At the very least I want 27 so that it is remotely accessible to my forces. If not, its subject to easy pickings for Turkey or Austria. I feel that your claim to make things harder for me is only because of your intentions against me.

As it stands for 27 I'd need two fleets to get there, three for 28. Libya can reach either within one turn. Therefore, I think that it is reasonable that I take control over the province as opposed to Libya.

From Calif Abu Bakr to Spain :
Greetings dear King
I understand your sadness but I can't resolve to annex only one territory. My country is at the front war and I will engage 5 armies and 3 fleet during the next turn and more the turn after. And as said Napoleon, you already have a a large land.
Rome (29) and province 27 is very near of my border and will permit me to defend my capitol more efficiently. But be sure that all my friends will have the right of passage.

To: Calif Abu Bakr
While we are able to accept you recieving Rome, which gives you 5 credits, and an additional territory, we don't like having such far-off posessions that can be easily snatched up by other nations. Naples is on the edge of the Western Mediterranean and we don't want to have to go much farther than that, and it is frustrating to be getting the short stick while still committing more troops and more money than any other power.
That's an additional 8 credits for Libya, but only 3 for us, and from an inaccessible area such as Apuila. It's upsetting to say the least.
Apuila is much more easily defended by you than me, and it doesn't affect your monetary status. Thereby, we ask you the favor of this, in hopes that you will let us aquire the territory there.

Russia asks this...

Libya, your the most uncooparative person in the allies. You refuse to compromise. And, your also the weakest nation in the allies. WHO ARE YOU TO SAY NO TO SPAIN? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY NO TO RUSSIA? Your going to get killed b Italy, nd then your gonna want us to save you, then your still gonna act like an uncooparative child.

Could you all try and see SENSE for once?!

I knew this would happen, I just hoped it wouldn't happen so quickly. The war hasn't even started and our alliance is falling apart! Don't be ridiculous.

Libya has FOUR non-capital territories. Spain has SEVEN. Therefore, Libya deserves a capital and a territory and Spain deserves a territory. That will bring Libya's income up to 25, and Spain's up to 29. Spain, you STILL have a HUGE income for your area of the world! My own personal income is TWENTY THREE! Britain's is 23 too!

Russia, please don't send me any more PMs threatening to leave the Alliance.

Spain, please don't bully other nations.

Libya, I suggest you take 28 next turn, not 27.

Much more important, WHERE are Prussia and Britain, we NEED their help.

That's ok, I'll leave Province 27 to Spain but will take province 28 instead.
But I concord with France on the case of income !! We must try to have a certain balance between European powers. I am a weak nation for the moment, have several borders with Italy and will be the first to engage. With my weak position, I could have remained neutral in this affair, thing I didn't do to honor the MPP I signed with Spain. I ask for a little consideration for this great effort.

To Russia :
I'm not abused by your perverse game. All europeans leaders are aware of your attention to take over Europe. Only the fact that you are concentrating on armies instead of fleet worries me at the extrem point.

To Spain :
Greetings
In sign of friendship, I ask you to retire all your armies but one in province 19 and 21. This action will be of an extrem relief for you and me. I hope we will agree on a demilitarization pact after the war against Italy. With doing a such pact, we will ensure that our armies will be at the place they are really needed

To Libya:

We The Russians are building no fleets because we need none, seeing as Sweden is on our border. We also apologize for or comments, the only way to stop future wars is to have no misunderstandings. We hope you accept or apology.

Dear King
I already gave orders to destroy Italian fleet near Rome and expect to invade it in the same turn. But I want to focus your attention on the Italian fleet cruising near our cost. I didn't send reinforcement to destroy it so I have only one fleet against him. I urge you to send your fleet to make sure this Italian task force be destroyed.

Spain can make good use of his Moroccan armies byt building another 2 fleets - then he does not need more armies and can just convoy the Moroccan forces to Italy.

To Russia :
No problems dear Tzar. We are allied and this is the most important thing for the moment. The post-war will reveal our true intentions.

Okay, now I think that everyone must get his fair share

Russia agrees with the Prussian plan

EXCUSE ME?

I get nothing, Spain gets nothing, Britain gets one, RUSSIA GETS FOUR? What kind of madness is this?

You want to watch what you say, Prussia. You may end up breaking our alliance before it even starts. Let's see how well you fight without half the Alliance.

I'll post a SENSIBLE PLAN up here in a minute.

Now look at this, everyone gets exactly 2 Provinces, their FAIR SHARE! 12 Provinces split among 6 Nations is 2 each. Learn some math, Prussia.

Russia wants 64and 65, that is the only way we will accept..

See France, ur just giving land to allies. I feel if you work more in this ar, u get more.

Also, Austria, thanks for wanting to help, but we can end this war on our own.

I am telling you all RIGHT NOW, that ANY foreign power ALLIANCE OR NOT who invades 32 or 30 will face IMMEDIATE war against France and her allies by MPP Britain, Spain, and Libya.

Russia, there's no point in even asking for a vote.

Let's look at each nation and how they are likely to respond.

OK, there are 7 nations, which is lucky for us!

RUSSIA Obviously, the Russian map.

PRUSSIA Again Russian map because he gets more land.

AUSTRIA The Russian map of course.

So that's 3-0 so far Russian-French.

Now we add France, who will vote for French, Britain, who will vote for French, Spain, who will vote for French, and Libya who will vote for French.

In short a 4-3 decision in favor of the French map.

OOC: its the Prussian map, not the Russian map.

RUSSIA HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE!

The only allied blood spilled so far in this war has been BRITISH! and you want to give them one little province. Can you say "hypocritical"?

Either be fair, or maybe the REAL alliance will decide there are better partners to have in a war besides Russia, Prussia, and Austria.

You don't fool us one bit, Russia. We all know exactly what you want, and I'm here to tell you that the peoples of Europe will not allow it.

Behave or leave, and take your cronies with you.

I REALLY, REALLY don't want to have to fight you. I'd rather fight Sweden and Italy, but you leave me no choice.

Luckily, we've prepared for this moment. The REAL alliance is ready.

This is an ultimatum: either agree to the French plan, or face war from every nation in Europe but Austria and Prussia.

RUSSIA DIDNT EVEN MAKE THE MAP. AND WHO ARE YOU TO THREATEN ME? I STARTED THE ALLIED POWERS FOR CHRIST SAKE!

I will agree as long as I get 64 and 65, and Prussia gets 66.

I dont want war with the allies. I just want to make sure that the nations that are going to sit back and do nothing dont get ANYTHING

Spain accepts and advocates the use of the French plan. We are upset that Napoleon had to force the Tzar's hand on this, but we can live with it.

Good luck to everyone.

My armies are heading south to conquer 32 and 30. My declaration of war against all invaders into those provinces still stands. Good luck all, and may our enemies fall quickly.

Anyway, Russia, the Prussian plan (sorry about the mixup) was bound to fail. You accuse ME of wanting to give land to my allies? Of the 12 provinces to be conquered, the Prussian plan only gives THREE to nations who are not part of the RAP (Russia-Austria-Prussia) alliance!

While LONUS (Libya, Ottoman Turkey, Napoleon, United Kingdom, Spain) is willing to let Austria into the CA (Combined Alliance) even though only Russia invited them, LONUS is NOT prepared to let RAP take the lion's share. We have 5 nations, you have 3. Take your fair share and be content. LONUS could finish the war without your help. Be glad RAP is even getting a piece of the pie, and that we know how to be fair, giving exactly 2 Provinces to each nation.

OOC - you realize I'm only acting Napoleon, right? :lol: I HAVE to be arrogant...

OOC : You would make a fine actor for a TV movie on Napoleon The Troquelet :lol:
Anarchy Rulz too, he greatly plays the intrusting Russia, like Russia is in real life. ;)
Poutine is greatly suspect for me. I like Russia but not his leader :mad:

To the world :
The prussia's map is a joke ? We never told Prussia, Russia and Austria to help us in this war. The only reason they joined in is the willings to annex some lands to increase their cash income. It had never been a sign of friendship to England. And Russia, Prussia, and Austria never had a MPP with France, Spain, England or me.
I give my vote to French map but with small reajustments for Spain and me. We will arrange this between us.

We all agree that Libya should get 29 right? Now if Libya gets 1 more Province and Spain gets 2 more, and France takes the top 2 (Switzerland and Piedmont) that takes all of Italy.

So, Spain can 31 and 28, OR 28 and 27, OR 31 and 27.

I think Spain can still take the bottom two if all three West Mediterranean nations - France Spain and Libya, agree to a Right of Passage agreement in I, J, and K. Does that sound good to everyone? It would even include the Gulf of Lyons, which I know I have been rather prickly about. But I know that our three nations have all our interests in common, so we can trust each other. :D

Russia has an idea. Howbout FIRST ONE TO TAKE SOMETHING GETS IT. This way, nations will really need to step up and help if they want to get their provinaces.

Russia, and the World, I repeat once more.

ANY NATION THAT TAKES 32 OR 30 BESIDES FRANCE WILL BE LIBERATED BY THE ARMIES OF FRANCE AND HER MPP ALLIES LIBYA, ENGLAND, AND SPAIN.

How much clearer do I have to make it?

Also, I hear you are plotting with Austria, Prussia, and Turkey, sending them secret messages. Either make your plans clear to us now, or face war.

France makes her plans entirely clear to everyone in the Alliance. If you do not, we can assume that you are no longer part of the Alliance. This is the third time in a week that your secret messengers have been dispatched to your neighbors Austria, Prussia, and Turkey.

I will NOT put up with skullduggery from the Russians and their cronies and I know my allies feel the same way.

As long as you do not make your plans clear to us we have no choice but to see them as evil plots against us to be launched as soon as the war is over. Perhaps you're arguing with Austria now on how to divide France?

If you are, don't count on the support of Turkey. He has an MPP with Libya and will be drawn into the war on OUR side if we are attacked.

Don't count on your strength either. We've heard you brag about your huge nation, well let me tell you something. You're too far away. By the time your armies can even get to the BORDERS of France (5 moves), the Sultan will be invading Moscow (2 moves) the British will be raising their flag in Finland (2 moves) and meanwhile Libya, Spain, and France combined have more than enough power to steamroll Austria and Prussia.

This is a friendly warning. If you want to remain an extant nation, don't try any funny stuff with us.

If I had any intentions of an actual war against you I would probably not tell you how easily we could conquer you. But I hope after you see how foolish your plotting is that you'll break up your mutiny and return to the Alliance with no more plotting and no more complaining. I don't see Libya complaining, do I? He ONLY has a MERE FOUR ITALIAN ARMIES doing the breast-stroke off of his capital! What about me? My entire army is in the wrong place, it'll be a miracle if I don't lose half my army to an Italian invasion! And you demand four whole provinces merely because you believe you'll lose some armies!

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In short, plotting against us is futile. You would do much better just to help the Alliance do its original plan, conquer Italy and Sweden. You'll get your fair and square reward. Would you rather declare war? What land would you take? Your neighbors are all your plotting allies. Obviously you haven't thought this out....

So, join us again Russia!

Then, if you still have any misgivings about how much I'm bluffing or bragging, you can declare war like an honest ruler and keep count how many days you live.

(OOC - No hard feelings, I know I'm being an a^&*(hole but this is the way France has to react - remember she's right in the way of any Austrian or German conquest.

PS- I'm not bluffing Russia. Even if Turkey decides to be neutral, our combined armies of France, Britain, Spain, and Libya are much more than Russia&Co.'s especially after the Italio-Swede war.)

Russia was just asking them which map they would vote for.

Anarchy, if you think for a second you'll see it's perfectly obvious who will vote for what.

There are 7 nations.

1. Russia will vote for the Prussian plan so he gets 4 provinces not 2.

2. Prussia will vote for the Prussian plan so he gets 3 provinces not 2.

3. Austria will vote for the Prussian plan so he gets any territory at all (nobody invited him anyway 'cept Russia. We don't need his help, if you want you can give him some of your own land :lol: but I'm counting his vote just to be fair)

4. France and

5. Spain will vote for French plan so they get any territory at all!

6. Britain will vote for French plan to get 2 provinces not 1.

7. Libya will vote for French plan to get 29 the Italian capital.

So, it would obviously go 4-3 in favor of the French plan. My plan pleases more nation's than das' does, so mine would easily win. And you can't complain either, you're getting as much territory as everyone else.

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In the meantime, Prussia might still move his armies into Switzerland in accord with his plan.

Well, you had better send him a PM NOT TO DO THIS, because otherwise France will be at war with him. Then England, Spain, Libya, and France shall be at war with Russia, Prussia, and Austria.

So unless you want to spark off a war, I suggest you stay off my land and tell your allies to do the same.

end rant :rant:

Here is the Russian theory on how Europe should look after The Great European War.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/AnarchyRulzRussian.jpg

To Russia :
Austria has no right on Italy and we never invited him to join the Alliance excepted you !!
I claim 29 and 31 to be Lybian's land.
30 and 32 belong to France.
27 and 28 to Spain

To RAP :
If anyone of your three nation don't respect the French plan for Italy, he can consider him at war with Lybia. I remind you that Lybia have a MPP with Spain, France and Turkey.
For Italy, the french map will fit me perfectly. For Sweden, it isn't my right to give orders at Russia and Prussia. I would be delighted RAP having the same feeling upon us for Italy's case. Russia and Prussia are not Latinian people and don't have anything to do in Italy. France, Spain and Lybia are Latinian people so occupation will be easier to support for Italian people.

To France :
Spanish, Lybian and French fleet has nothing to do in J sea for the moment. I don't agree, for the moment, to this right of passage. But Spanish fleet can pass trought I and K with no problems for me.

Hello and good morning!

Several pieces of news!

England and Prussia destroyed a fleet in the North Sea, congratulations.

England, you spent your money on 3 fleets in the English Channel. I think this was because you weren't sure my armies were heading south?

Well, now, please move them out of the Channel. They make me very nervous and I think we agreed on a DMZ in the Channnel...

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Now on Italy. I am attacking 30 and 32 this turn. Anyone else who does is at war with me.

Anyone who is at war with Spain OR Libya OR France can consider himself at war with ALL of us.

Therefore I don't think it's a good idea for ANYONE to interfere in the FSL plan for splitting Italy. That includes Austria and Prussia. Prussia, I notice your armies are on my border. I hope they are neither there to attack Switzerland or France, since they are BOTH FRENCH LAND! Do not provoke me.

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In the meantime Russia whatever you think is best for Sweden is OK with me as I have no claims there. Keep in mind though, I have an MPP with Britain and Austria.

Also Russia it's a bad idea to attack with trickles of 2 man armies at a time. We all know UKNemesis is a pretty defense-biased moderator. You have to attack with overwhelming force!

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Finally, congratulations to the Western Med nations, and everyone else keep trying and Sweden will fall!

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Since the war will be over for me by next turn, I'm going to alert you all NOW to my post-war plans.

I don't care what the rest of the world is going to do, I am going to disband ALL my armies. I'm going to have 0 military, except for 1 army each in the border territories. This is for the purpose of building up a large gold reserve, which France lacks at the moment.

However, remember that if anyone attacks me I have MPPs with every nation but Russia, Turkey, Prussia, and Sweden/Italy.

Hi, I just gave UKNemesis my war orders, and here are part of them for your enjoyment:

"The 3 armies in 13 will attack 30.

The 10 armies in 11 will attack 32.

Now, in the event of an Austrian or Prussian attack upon these lands, the French are to cooperate with them to destroy the Italians, but IMMEDIATELY OPEN FIRE if the Austrians/Prussians do not retreat from 30 and 32 (only open fire on whichever one doesn't go, or both if neither go).

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lol, Italy and Sweden have got to be pretty dumb if they haven't read this lot!(I wouldn't ban them if they did I'm afraid, cause it's espionage lol).

Anyway, good work to you all(and it was in the Denmark Straits, not the North Sea that the allies sank a fleet), especially Libya, who managed to take the Italian capital and sink that fleet that had 4 armies on it!

Finally, I'm not biased in this game at all(it's dice rolls remember) but yes, nations do have militias, and that means you must send at least one more army than the enemy has in that province to stand a chance of taking it. In Russia's defence, they tried to do it with 5 armies, but then realised that you can't send them straight from your capital, and so changed their plans to what you saw today.

I hope you will see fit to grant Italy mercy, since a) WarlordMatt is a good player, b) he didn't spy in here, cause otherwise he'd have known what was coming! and c) they weren't the aggressors.

Good luck to you all, and I hope you don't tear each other apart immediately after the war!

Nemesis

Well, we sort of expected the power of 5 players against 2 to be an offset to the fact they would know our plans. Besides, mine are pretty obvious even from the map.

I don't want to destroy Italy but you know this is a diplomacy game with chance and the goal is obviously to get the most territory. However after I take 30 and 32 I will make peace with Italy and Sweden and won't participate in any de-thronings...

I don't think this &% alliance will last long enough anyway! Everyone is constantly bicker, bicker, bicker. There'll probably be a sneak attack or two which starts off another war before we can finish off Sweden. Italy I think is done for which is unfortunate, but you can bring him back as a revolution leader in Iceland maybe?

Re: Russia, I think he was so worried we'd take all the land before him he rushed off with an insufficient risky attack before the 5 armies could get there. And it failed because he only had 2 armies on the border. Well, now he's pretty much guaranteed his 2 provinces anyway, so no harm done.

If Poto doesn't get orders in for the next turn, WarlordMatt can take Austria.

Nemesis

Aol, All I want is to get Switzerland, and Austria to gain something too. I DO NOT WANT FINLAND! Also, We should not give Rome to Lybia. Ally or no, but capital of Catholic Crhistians must not go to Sunni Moslems.

Or possibly, I'll do something like your Saxon invasion Troquelet :p and let him command it.

Nemesis

ANYONE WHO TOUCHES A HAIR ON SWITZERLAND FACES WAR with ALL the Mediterranean Powers. Don't even THINK about it!

To Prussia :
For Rome, you must consider that Rome isn't the Roman catholic capital but it is the Vatican. And I said in a previous post that Lybia won't invade the Vatican and will decrete religion liberty in all occupied Italian's lands. My willings aren't religious but politicals.

Anyone interfering on the french map for Italy : consider you at war with Lybia

Catholics living in soon to be French Switzerland will be able to practice their religion without interference from the Protestant French.

i know im not in the game and everything but you have the religons mixed up Switzerland is protestant mostly and France is Catholic.

Oops! Thanks for the correction, Pachy.

Well, anyway, even being Catholic I'm fine with Libya taking Rome as long as they guarantee religious freedom. After all, Libya has Corsica too doesn't he, where they all speak French? It's all a matter of splitting the lands fairly.

Now if I am willing to believe Sweden, SOMEONE has a MPP with him. Now, everyone is at war with Sweden exept 1 nation, Turkey. Also, Turkey has 3 armies sitting on the Russian border! I think Russia is about to be attacked by Turkey!

Russia also resents French comments. We were the first nation to declare war on Sweden! Also,if I am correct, Libya condemned my declaration of war! So perhaps your confused France, maybe Russia is helping Britian ad Libya is attacking Italy!

Like I said guys, firstly you don't have to play in character, and secondly, I'd suggest getting everything sorted out, cause united you will stand, divided you will fall(remember, you don't just have Italy and Sweden to worry about, there are other outside-the-map happenings too!).

Nemesis

UK just gave it away! Turkey IS ATTACKING RUSSIA!!!
(sirens going off)
SWEET MOTHER OF MERCY!!!!!!
That will even out the war all right!!!!But, it might be a good think for the RAP......

He said "OFF-the-map"... Oh well, the only thing off MY edge of the map are... uh oh.. the USA. Hey, UKnemesis, France is really good friends with the USA! We helped them win independence remember? And then there's Mexico, Brazil, and Canada...

I haven't a clue what Turkey is doing Anarchy lol! I think he's just fortifying his borders.

What I mean are threats like Troquelet had in the ARTNES...

Nemesis

Okay, now as I see everyone is tryign to make me leave the allies, esepcially French - please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks to me like this.

Explain me now, what is in for Prussia in here apart from helping British keep Jutland. Switzerland is mostly populated by Protestans by religion, and Germans by ethnicity. There are less French there then Germans. I DO NOT WANT THE ALLIES TO BREAK UP, but what is in here for Prussia?

Look. It's very simple, Prussia.

LIBYA, FRANCE, and SPAIN have already claimed ALL of Italy. So there's NOTHING for ANYONE ELSE, unless they want WAR.

Now, Sweden is a matter which the Mediterranean powers refuse to meddle with. They leave Sweden to Britain, Prussia, Russia, and Austria.

But BE WARNED! Interfering in Italy means WAR, UNCONDITIONALLY! So change your orders if you're moving to Switzerland or ANY OTHER ITALIAN PROVINCE, unless you want to be dethroned and your nation liberated! It's That Simple.

Das, I don't want you to leave the Allies, I want you to not invade my territory.

World-

First off, what is this about Britain attacking anyone who attacks her allies. Even though it is 90% that I will protect my allies, all my decisions pend on the reason.
I agree fully on the French Map, but I am not willing to fight for it as Britain is not land hungry! All my empire wants was what the whole war begun for, Denmark. As I do want the French map, I am not willing to fight a war over it.
Also, I am sorry France and Russia, but I was first to be in the war! No one else, and that I have been, up to last turn, the only one attacking/getting attacked. The first allie I recieved was Spain, and then Lybia, and finally Russia then France.
I do not agree with the Austrians and Prussians gaining any territory in this war, unless they begin to fight, and frankly, I do not want ANY nation to be wiped from the European map, especially not Italy, simply because they were not the aggressors, but were dragged into the war.
I am appaled about the lack of back-up Britain has towards the Sweden affair. France, If you say any nation can consider themselves at war with Britain if they attack your claims in Italy, then go on and say that you will not support any squable in Sweden, then I am afraid I do not wish to call you an ally.
I suggest that Italy losses one territory to Lybia, seeing as the only attack was against Lybia (and please correct me if I am wrong). France does not deserve any territory, nor does Spain. Only a nation who lost men should be entitled to a land reward.
Sweden does deserve land still, just not very much of it so they will never have a huge army again.

Britain, I fully support YOUR claims in Sweden. What I said was, that I withdraw my claims to 69 (this was ages ago) because I don't want to be stuck in the middle of four other nations, and also I refuse to mediate or draw up a map of Sweden because it's none of my business. I NEVER SAID I WOULDN'T SUPPORT YOU! I just said I didn't consider it my place to split up Sweden.

You will always have my support, Britain, since we are MPP'd. And I do wish to continue as your ally.

France DOES deserve territory, because we have supported you in this war and double-crossed Sweden to prevent a naval invasion of your territory. Why this does not seem to produce English gratitude I can't say. Maybe you are listening to Spain.

Anyway, if you want Sweden to survive, then it's your choice obviously since the rest of the allies are actually fighting FOR you. Regarding Italy, I am perfectly willing to let Italy survive as well. The only problem is, I am not willing to let the remaining Italian province be 30 or 32. I must seize these to protect French security. I do hope you understand.

Britain, your nation borders on one other - Germany. My nation is surrounded by six others - Britain, Spain, Libya, Italy, Germany, Austria. As a central nation like Germany or Austria, who doesn't have his back at a wall, I need more troops to defend my borders adequately, and that's why I need 30 and 32.

Also, my armies are already marching, so it's a bit late now. Why did you stay out of this thread until the last minute? I thought you would post here earlier.

Also,

Russia, I fear I will be neglecting this in the future, but I will come to your aid if you are attacked by Turkey/Ottoman Empire.

OOC: I would have posted here earlier, but I have had computer problems for two days, then I come back and theres four pages! If you look to page one, I did post there. I have been out of the NES for two days, and it has taken me a day to catch up! Don't get me wrong either, I love it!!!

France: I support your decision in the Italian provinces, and while I don't, and probably never will, understand what it is to be a central nation, I know you have your reasons. But you must remember, ties between myself and Spain are much stronger then yours, just keep that in mind.

To all nations: I hope my plea will not fall into deaf ears when concerning that Italy and Sweden be allowed to keep a few territories, but do not think they should keep their capitals. I believe Lybia shall control Rome, and that I will control Sweden's capital.

As you can see in the UKNES2 Thread I want peace with both of you, Jason.

I do hope that if I am invaded by Spain you will support the victim like a noble nation. I fully expect you to support Spain if HE is invaded, which is one of the many reasons that an invasion of Spain never went thru my mind so far this NES.

OOC: I do see your efforts on peace, Troquelet, but your efforts are leaving my nation fragile. I can ensure you that NOT ONCE has an invasion of France crossed my mind either, but I do want to protect from a invasion from you. I can tell you now, that I do not want to be in a war with France, but if you do not quit harrasing King of Spain, and the Spanish believe a war is the answer, I will support them. Rest assured, however, that I will definetly try to pursuade Spain out of the decision.

Also, France, I do think this new proposol will help with the demilitarization pact, on Britain's part

Britain is allowed to have two fleets in each part of the english channel, while france can have one. France may, however, have as many armies in 7, 8, and 10 as the British have in 6 and 5 each.

OR

British may have as many fleets in the english channel, and France can have as many armies he wants in the bordering Provinces. (I like this one MUCH better)

Since you allow fleets in the Channel, I will put some there. They will merely be there on orders to patrol, and each turn I will give them orders to stop any invasion from Britain.

I will do the same thing in H, the Bay of Biscay, and tell the fleets to patrol and stop any invasion from Spain.

I think that will solve the entire problem, more than armies on either side of the Sea.

I will be putting 2 fleets each into the English Channel and the Bay of Biscay.

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Russia, I suggest you give Britain what he wants.

Spain, since the crisis is over, I'd like to apologize over any harsh things I said. I only want peace for my nation and I was sure you were conspiring with Britain to conquer me. Since I've heard what a level-headed King rules Britain, I'm sure I was wrong, and therefore I want to resume friendly relations with you. Regardless, keep in mind that any attack on me will infallibly fail.

Long live France! Long live Britain! Long live Spain! The cold war has ended!

Or has it just begun?? (suspence builds)

Look, Prussia iwll only fight if it gaisn soemthign useful out of this war. And as far as I see it, we do not have right to gain any lands, ESPECIALLY THOSE POPULATED BY GERMANS. So I don't see any reason for me to be in the allies.

To Prussia :
England has saved your throne during the last battle against Sweden and it has costed her many English lives !! What do you want more than that !!

France is a blackmailing son of a ______. So heres how it goes,he sends me a PM. Here it is.

Dear Russia,

We must put aside our differences immediately. I want to resume friendly relations with Russia, and this PM is here to tell you that it is IMPORTANT that we need to trust each other now.

You may not know this, but I've been doing a bit of esponiage. I know, for example, about you ordering your allies' troops to the French border.

I know a few other little things as well, especially concerning Turkey, and the Swedish situation, but I hope you'll excuse me if I don't reveal what I know right now.

Anyway, the most important thing is, Austria doesn't trust you. He won't stay on your side much longer. He's reluctant to attack me, and he'll turn on you if you order him to.

If you want to keep the RAP together, here's my suggestion. I have decided on which 2 nations should be the next to go, and they are Spain and England.

Now, if we keep this between us, this is the perfect way to satisfy your allies and keep peace. Instead of East fighting West, both together will be fighting Spain and England. And there's a reason to as well.

Spain and England are desperate nations who will do anything to expand because they are in a corner. Spain is plotting an invasion of France as soon as the Italian war is over. England will help him. Libya I don't know about, but I'll try and win him over to my side.

Even worse, England and Spain are the most tight-knit allies on Earth and we can't turn one against another. I already tried that at the very beginning of the game - no dice.

The important thing is, when England and Spain have conquered France they will be unstoppable. They'll have too much land. So, if you want to have a chance, even with 3 other nations in front of you to block the blow, you'll need to help me. And there are rewards.

Now, we can give Austria the Spanish Italian colonies, Prussia can have part of England and Denmark, Russia can have the rest of England and British Sweden colonies, and Libya/France will split Spain down the middle.

If you agree, let me know ASAP. If not, the same.

Might I remind you that the vow of secrecy we swore when we started PM'ing still stands. Tell nobody about this.

I want to trust you, even when you are ordering your troops to my border. We have exactly two turns before Italy falls. In that time we need to turn around and be prepared for a Spanish/English onslaught. And trust me, France alone can't stop it. France/Libya can't stop it. And when France and Libya fall, so does Europe.

Worried,

-Napoleon

PS REPLY ASAP! Time is essential!
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So I agree. We work out a plan for an offensiveif France gets attacked by Spainand Britian. But then France shows his true colors...

Sorry, you're over a barrel. This is France, asking 5 gold. Or...
This has been a test of your loyalty to the Alliance. I am afraid you have failed miserably. When I offered to conspire against
and attack an Alliance member, you fairly jumped at the bait. I was not expecting something this short, but it is convenient!

When the rest of the Alliance hear of this, I don't know what will happen - but I can assure you, it won't be good for you!

I have little doubt who will go after Sweden.

Now, we have a choice. I can reveal my information right away and something bad would probably happen to you, or perhaps
you could suggest something that would pay me off?

-Napoleon

OOC - Can't trust me, I'm afraid!

And of course, a declaration of war against me will only show Europe that you ARE power-hungry! So don't try that either...

We can bury this and forget about it IF... well, I'm afraid this sounds like blackmail, but it is. Five gold if you please, and keep it
secret, PM it to UKnemesis and tell him to add it secretly. It's your job to make sure nobody finds out, of course! If they do...

Of course, you can always refuse! That is, if you feel like it...

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Well, France, your a fool to think Russia is afraid of you. We will not EVER send you 5 gold. So perhapsyou should go find a new country to try to bully.

To France :
I'm very upset by your way of "testing" the trustworthy of your allies dear Emperor ...
If you were really honest, you wouldn't asked Russia for 5G but you would have reaveled this as soon as you saw Russia was agree with this plan. So Russia AND you are not trustworthy.
Calif Abu Bakr noted this incident ...

To Russia :
I'm not surprised that you agreed to the French plan. It comforts me in my opinion upon Russia.

To The World:

Russia apoliges for accepting the plan. We, The Russians, felt that if we accepted this plan that we would have Frances trust, andthatment EVERYONEs trust. But then France asked for money, and we felt we could NOT let them get awaywith this. I know thishas lowered you opion of me, but it had to be done

I find it ironic that for all of Napoleon's preaching of peace and stoping the arguing to keep the alliance together, he is the one tearing it apart!

These "tests of faith," completely unathourized and little more than an attempt at blackmail (he made note of some very real threats in his letter, and for my own security, I probably would have accepted it myself).

However, personally, I believe this is Napoleon at work about switching sides when it would benefit him--I believe that his alliance with Sweden was intended to be kept until the "dogpile" began--and, as soon as things work out between him and Britain, this is made a "test of faith."

I think this is more a testament to Napoleon's will more than anything, and I for one believe that I cannot trust a word he says. A word to Europe, be wary of the short one; he is not worthy of our faith to test.

To Napoleon :
I'm awaiting for your officials explanations. After you gave them, me and my advisors will hold a special meeting to decide the future of our MPP.

Please, everyone, read Britain's speech on the real forum to see Britain's stance on this.

HERES THE VOTES:

Make it like this..

A) Expel or keep Russia
B) Expel or keep France

Russia says:

A) We can't vote for ourselves.
B) DUMP FRANCE

Oh, heres the screenshot to PROVE those dates. IMPORTANT! is the invade England/Spain PM, and Your over your barrel. You owe France 5 gold is the blackmail. Enjoy!(exept France)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/anarchyrulzproof.jpg

or the link....
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/anarchyrulzproof.jpg

A) Expel Russia
B) Expel France

A) Keep Russia. He has thoroughly apologized and has been completely cooperative and honest in his acts. He has great merit in this, and we still need him as an ally.

B)Expel France. No explanation is really needed here ;).

To Allies and France
From: Great Britain

I am extremely frightened in this event of traitorism, and am speaking with my advisors on the fact that if the english channel shall become under England's control, for defense purposes due to that France is not to be trusted. I have not given the orders quit yet, and would like to know the opinions of anyone who wishes to give them. Keep in mind, to commandeer the English channel almost certainly means war between France and Myself.

-Great Britain

A) Keep Russia under the completion of one condition : To show her trustworthy, I'll ask Russia to leave Sweden's capitol to England and at least one other province.
B) Keep France. Despite this sad act, Lybia's remember French help when she claimed Rome and province 31. In honor of this help, Lybia ask to the allies that France keep province 30 and 32. But Lybia will certainly break the MPP with France.

We need a compromise we coudl keep Francdee, if it agrees that Prussia will take Swizterland. Local ethnical and religious majority is based on that of Prussia. WE DO NOT CLAIM ANY LAND EXPECT FOR IT AND OUR CURRENT REALM.

Also, unless Prussia is allowed to take SWITZERLAND, and Britain will still have DENMARK and gain more provicnes then everyoen else (SORRY RUSSIA I HAVE MY OWN POLICY, and a CODE OF HONOR) we will have to quit the allies.

Oh and definately, KEEP RUSSIA.

England now has plans to just have peace with Sweden, and not take any land. Also, we MUST keep Russia from getting land!!! Whos with me and France?

To The World:

So its ok for Libya to capture Rome? Its ok for France to gain two provinces? And then tell Russia that it cant get any? Thats unfair towards the East. Russia will capture 2 terrotoriesand then make peace. We also need these for our plan to demiliterizeand build barracks and seaports for our economy.

Russia, you have 7 non-capital provinces (NCPs). Compare this to your neighbors Sweden who has 5, Prussia who has 5, Austria who has 7, Turkey who has 8. Obviously, you DON'T NEED MORE lAND! More land would just make you powerful enough to conquer the world.

YES, it's OK to let France and Libya conquer these territories, because France and Libya barely had any to begin with! Even now after wasting 4 times as many armies as the Tzar, Libya still has only 5 NCPs!

[/rant] anyway...

Britain and France are prepared to oppose Russian imperialism. Who else is with us?

I understand your point of view, Russia, and am studying the reason as of now. Even so that France and Lybia gets land, is it a trend you would like to follow?

Okay, but according to your point of view, Napoleon, PRUSSIA HAS NO RIGHT TO GAIN ANYTHING FROM THIS WAR, APART FROM A NEW GRAVEYARD.

What did Sweden ever do to Prussia?

The only powers who should gain land are 1 - the powers offended by Sweden 2 - the powers offended by Italy Sweden's ally.

1 - Britain, whose claim to Denmark was not respected by Sweden.

2 - Libya, France, and Spain, who were menaced by the Italian fleet on page 9 before the Spanish fleet luckily sank it.

Britain had their chance to gain land and since they realized it's hopeless they've given it up. Libya France and Spain have all received their fair share (except Rome which was promised to Libya) and so the war ends. Russia Prussia and Austria had no business in the war in the 1st place! Russia was never offended by Sweden - he joined to get a piece of Sweden! Is that a good reason for joining a war?

In the meantime, Prussia, you didn't reply about that Non-Agression Pact thing... please do sign. I want to prevent war between East and West if I can, and this is one way to do it.

To France: First of all, I have no guarantee that YOU will obey it.

But anyway, I propose several comrpomises. If Uknemsis agrees, we could create an independent nation of Switzerland. Also, I would lile to remind you that we have an MPP with Russia.

To Austria: We would like to make a MPP with you.

There is no reason for an independent Switzerland. The Swiss are content being ruled by the French who give them more freedom and more liberty than they could have under any other rule. Besides, making Switzerland independent will make it so weak that probably Prussia or Austria will be able to take it over in a millisecond. We're not even going to debate over this. If anyone else proposes making any of my provinces independent, I will act as if he was trying to steal my land. In other words, embargo or war.

Yes, I have an MPP with Russia. I also have one with Austria if I'm not mistaken... but Austria is on a vacation to see a wedding or something...

France, in a war I am willing to bet that Austria will stick with its friends the Russians and Prussians.

I don't care who Austria allies with, because I refuse to war with you no matter how much you insult me. French troops will ONLY act to enforce peace, never to conquer.

Troquelet, you are suggesting that I will leave the Allies, because that I was not offended by Sweden or Italy. But i am greatly offended by France. So should I quit the allies.

Das, you don't really have any ties to the Allies at all besides your MPP to Russia, right? What other MPPs do you have? One to Austria as well.

In other words, none of the western nations have ties with you that I can remember. Does Britain have MPP with you???

No, Britain does not

Okay, but I AM TRYING TO HELP the allies. ANDd it was I who suggested Russia that we join on the British side as soon war breaks out. We and Russia are hoenst allies, while French DON'T ACT like honest allies...

So again, you want me to sign peace with Sweden and Italy, right Napoleon?