View Full Version : Titan's Surface Organics Surpass Oil Reserves On Earth


Knight-Dragon
Feb 21, 2008, 07:04 PM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080220200045.htm

ScienceDaily (Feb. 21, 2008) — Saturn's orange moon Titan has hundreds of times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas reserves on Earth, according to new data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft. The hydrocarbons rain from the sky, collecting in vast deposits that form lakes and dunes.

The new findings from the study led by Ralph Lorenz, Cassini radar team member from the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md., are reported in the Jan. 29 issue of the Geophysical Research Letters.

"Titan is just covered in carbon-bearing material -- it's a giant factory of organic chemicals," said Lorenz. "This vast carbon inventory is an important window into the geology and climate history of Titan."

At a balmy minus 179 degrees Celsius (minus 290 degrees Fahrenheit), Titan is a far cry from Earth. Instead of water, liquid hydrocarbons in the form of methane and ethane are present on the moon's surface, and tholins probably make up its dunes. The term "tholins"was coined by Carl Sagan in 1979 to describe the complex organic molecules at the heart of prebiotic chemistry.

Cassini has mapped about 20 percent of Titan's surface with radar. Several hundred lakes and seas have been observed, with each of several dozen estimated to contain more hydrocarbon liquid than Earth's oil and gas reserves. The dark dunes that run along the equator contain a volume of organics several hundred times larger than Earth's coal reserves.

Proven reserves of natural gas on Earth total 130 billion tons, enough to provide 300 times the amount of energy the entire United States uses annually for residential heating, cooling and lighting. Dozens of Titan's lakes individually have the equivalent of at least this much energy in the form of methane and ethane.

"This global estimate is based mostly on views of the lakes in the northern polar regions. We have assumed the south might be similar, but we really don't yet know how much liquid is there," said Lorenz. Cassini's radar has observed the south polar region only once, and only two small lakes were visible. Future observations of that area are planned during Cassini's proposed extended mission.

Scientists estimated Titan's lake depth by making some general assumptions based on lakes on Earth. They took the average area and depth of lakes on Earth, taking into account the nearby surroundings, like mountains. On Earth, the lake depth is often 10 times less than the height of nearby terrain.

"We also know that some lakes are more than 10 meters or so deep because they appear literally pitch-black to the radar. If they were shallow we'd see the bottom, and we don't," said Lorenz.

The question of how much liquid is on the surface is an important one because methane is a strong greenhouse gas on Titan as well as on Earth, but there is much more of it on Titan. If all the observed liquid on Titan is methane, it would only last a few million years, because as methane escapes into Titan's atmosphere, it breaks down and escapes into space. If the methane were to run out, Titan could become much colder. Scientists believe that methane might be supplied to the atmosphere by venting from the interior in cryovolcanic eruptions. If so, the amount of methane, and the temperature on Titan, may have fluctuated dramatically in Titan's past.

"We are carbon-based life, and understanding how far along the chain of complexity towards life that chemistry can go in an environment like Titan will be important in understanding the origins of life throughout the universe," added Lorenz.

Cassini's next radar flyby of Titan is on Feb. 22, when the radar instrument will observe the Huygens probe landing site.

Adapted from materials provided by National Aeronautics And Space Adminstration.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2008/02/080220200045.jpg
An artist's imagination of hydrocarbon pools, icy and rocky terrain on the surface of Saturn's largest moon Titan. (Credit: Steven Hobbs (Brisbane, Queensland, Australia).)

Narz
Feb 21, 2008, 11:59 PM
Doesn't really help us much here though, does it?

Elta
Feb 22, 2008, 12:43 AM
Doesn't really help us much here though, does it?

No, but it makes a good early scenario for a game of starcraft :scan: :scan: http://morevespenegas.ytmnd.com/

CivGeneral
Feb 22, 2008, 12:50 AM
So how soon will the United States stake claim on Titan?

Hmm, Titan in fiction has one plausable outcome in the future, especialy in Cowboy Bebop :eek:, Cowboy Bebop (1998), anime. Titan was the site of a war over hydrocarbon extraction in the year 2068. It is unclear whether there was a colony on the moon.

Would Titan be the future Middle East? :run:

aaglo
Feb 22, 2008, 01:42 AM
Would Titan be the future Middle East?
...and would Middle East be the future Titan :scared: ? (I mean cold lifeless place - not the other meaning of the word).

Narz
Feb 22, 2008, 01:43 AM
No, but it makes a good early scenario for a game of starcraft :scan: :scan: http://morevespenegas.ytmnd.com/
Good ol' Starcraft. One of the few computers games outside of Civ I got pretty into. :)

So how soon will the United States stake claim on Titan?
Never.

Hmm, Titan in fiction has one plausable outcome in the future, especialy in Cowboy Bebop :eek:, Cowboy Bebop (1998), anime. Titan was the site of a war over hydrocarbon extraction in the year 2068. It is unclear whether there was a colony on the moon.

Would Titan be the future Middle East? :run:
Try not to base future predictions on anime scenerios. ;)

The only way we can manage to make a round-trip (while carrying thousands of barrels of oil back on the return trip) to Titan energy efficient is if we discover a fuel source superior to oil (thus making the quest pointless).

Narz
Feb 22, 2008, 01:45 AM
...and would Middle East be the future Titan :scared: ? (I mean cold lifeless place - not the other meaning of the word).
Well it's certainly been devastated environmentally (IIRC the Middle East used to be one of the lushest places on Earth before civilized man got a hold of it) and is certainly far beyond it's sustainable human carrying capacity but I doubt it will ever become completely lifeless.

Elta
Feb 22, 2008, 01:49 AM
Well it's certainly been devastated environmentally (IIRC the Middle East used to be one of the lushest places on Earth before civilized man got a hold of it)

:nono:

The weather changing did play a part in this too, although there was some major (what's the word for it??) Dustbowl effect like 10k years ago. The weather def. played a part in it too thou.

CivGeneral
Feb 22, 2008, 01:50 AM
Never.
Never say never, The US in the future will stake claim to that moon whether you like it or not! :trouble: :p

What is it that you're afraid about getting more cheap Oil and the US owns it instead of OPEC?


Try not to base future predictions on anime scenerios. ;)
Whatever, it could happen :rolleyes:.

Narz
Feb 22, 2008, 02:10 AM
:nono:

The weather changing did play a part in this too, although there was some major (what's the word for it??) Dustbowl effect like 10k years ago. The weather def. played a part in it too thou.
That's probably true, I don't really know much about it. :blush:

Never say never, The US in the future will stake claim to that moon whether you like it or not! :trouble: :p
Maybe. I don't see much point in it though, not much of value on the moon.

What is it that you're afraid about getting more cheap Oil and the US owns it instead of OPEC?
Perhaps you didn't understand what I was saying. It would cost thousands of times more energy to get at that oil than the oil would give us. It's equivalent to climbing a banana tree 10 miles high to get at it's fruit, you'd expend far more energy climbing the tree than the bananas would provide you (assuming you could even climb a trunk 10 miles high).

Whatever, it could happen :rolleyes:.
I love you CG. :love:

Elta
Feb 22, 2008, 03:42 AM
*Maybe. I don't see much point in it though, not much of value on the moon.


**Perhaps you didn't understand what I was saying. It would cost thousands of times more energy to get at that oil than the oil would give us. It's equivalent to climbing a banana tree 10 miles high to get at it's fruit, you'd expend far more energy climbing the tree than the bananas would provide you (assuming you could even climb a trunk 10 miles high).


***I love you CG. :love:

* Vacations!, Crazy bar fight where I jump 30 feet into the air to kick some dude in the face ..... it must happen!!!!!

** IIRC on the show there are people living on some moon of jupiter or another and I think they do mine all of the moons near it.

*** We all love him ... why must you state the obvious? :rolleyes: :lol:

GoodSarmatian
Feb 22, 2008, 06:04 AM
Would Titan be the future Middle East? :run:

I am sure these damn Titanians have WMDs.
But seriously, I don't see much economic value. By the time we have the technology to exploit Titan we prbably won't need it that bad.
Most of our energy will either come from hydrogen fusion or solar panels.
Titan's hydrocarbon might be useful as raw material for synthetics, but there will be more easily accessible sources.

Narz
Feb 22, 2008, 11:50 AM
* Vacations!, Crazy bar fight where I jump 30 feet into the air to kick some dude in the face ..... it must happen!!!!
I never thought about that.

UFC LXIII On The Moon!!!! in full holographic crystal clarity :rockon: Only $6,800 (inflation & all) on Pay Per View. Free virtual lapdance from a girl gone wild for the addition 500 subscribers! :D

*** We all love him ... why must you state the obvious? :rolleyes: :lol:
I'm sorry.™ :(

Masquerouge
Feb 22, 2008, 02:58 PM
Curiously, I'm more interested to see if anything came out of that insane mass of organic material, than to exploit Titan for central heating...

ArneHD
Feb 22, 2008, 03:21 PM
Perhaps we could use it to make polymers? After all, organics have other uses than fuel (which seems to be the only thing people are focusing on now).

Narz
Feb 22, 2008, 03:39 PM
We can make polymers w/ hemp & that is renewable and not a fibillion miles away.

ArneHD
Feb 22, 2008, 05:04 PM
We can make polymers w/ hemp & that is renewable and not a fibillion miles away.

Yes, but if we ever wanted to have plastics a long way away from the earth, Titan seems like the obvious place to start due to the large amounts of raw material. Besides, the easiest way to make polymers is to use oil, or other long hydrocarbon chains, rather than having to break down all those pesky sugars.

Narz
Feb 22, 2008, 06:59 PM
Well, I suppose if we were in the neighborhood anyway, I suppose we might as well make some plastics while we were there. :crazyeye:

GoodGame
Feb 22, 2008, 09:41 PM
Start building a giant drinking straw.

CivGeneral
Feb 23, 2008, 01:12 AM
A pipeline from Titan to Earth wont do. We need Tanker Spaceships to do that job!! :D

GoodGame
Feb 24, 2008, 08:25 AM
I know, darn intervening planets!
Were it possible to have space stations as space elevators to assist with the economics (e.g. decrease need for carrying fuel on-ship, etc..)?

echinococcus
Feb 24, 2008, 09:49 AM
So what are the most important reasons we cant get it here now (too lazy to think of them myself)?

cubsfan6506
Feb 24, 2008, 09:50 AM
The only way we can manage to make a round-trip (while carrying thousands of barrels of oil back on the return trip) to Titan energy efficient is if we discover a fuel source superior to oil (thus making the quest pointless).
How about methane hydrocarbons?

echinococcus
Feb 25, 2008, 02:52 AM
How about methane hydrocarbons?

I heard they might be important for stabilizing continental shelves. Lets find out in....in...China!! 11 ;)

taillesskangaru
Feb 29, 2008, 03:47 AM
Now who can claim space exploration is a worthless cause? :D