I have been overrunning the Incan empire in leaps and bounds but in fear of overextending my forces I decided to make a peace treaty so i could regroup.

Now they have become my vassal state.

I don't want them to be my vassal state I just want to completely wipe them out.

Is there any way that I can cease to have them as my vassal?

lately I had reduced an empire (the one with Istanbul/Ankara etc) to just 1 city, he did not want to become under my command because "you are just too powerfull" (at noble).

Maybe someting for Civ 5. More dirty diplo tricks with third parties involved.

You should have sued for peace without vassalization - once he's your vassal, it's basically impossible to make him no longer your vassal.

unfortunatly vassalage in this game is pretty much useless in singleplayer-its 100% of the timje better to just take a empires citys than let em live and be under the threat they will rise up against you one day

vassalage is unfortuantly useless in this game-its better to just take a guys land than to make him ur vassal-very unrealistic-like many things in this game-like in this game if u control most of the world u habe victory in ur hands-while in real life nations would unite against the strong guy-as they did against hitler-shure they do in multiplayer-but not in singleplayer

sry for double post-im new to forums

Naw, vassalage is great for a domination win. For one thing, it's faster. Just make a beeline for the capital, or any holy cities or cities with wonders, and then capitulate them. You can keep the very good cities, leave the AI with all the crappy cities, but still get population and land credit towards a domination win. You don't need to waste time capturing every single city, and you can move on to the next target. You can also use them as shields towards the next enemy. They won't be able to reach your lands unless they get through your vassal first.

Vassalage can be useful in some circumstances and not useful in others.

Some Advantages:
+1 happiness in all cities
On a huge map, you do not have to hunt down every small useless city your opponent owns way on the other side of the world.
You can often get a lot of income by trading resources to your vassal.
You of course get credit for half his population and territory.

I agree with the previous poster. Other advantages of a vassal can be:

- if they have good land, you can make them tech for you.
- if they have bad land, they occupy it instead of you (cheaper) or your big rival (don't want him on your borders)

You should have sued for peace without vassalization - once he's your vassal, it's basically impossible to make him no longer your vassal.

Yes, I did have a choice in the peace treaty, money and two tecks---but he also offered capiliation (siic) which is a new one to me so I took it.

Mistake?

Naw, vassalage is great for a domination win. For one thing, it's faster. Just make a beeline for the capital, or any holy cities or cities with wonders, and then capitulate them.

I will give that a try.

Thanks.

- if they have good land, you can make them tech for you.


I was wondering about that. If I make them teck for me is there anyway that they can turn around and use it against me?

It's nice having a vassal state that only has like 1 city, for the +1 hapiness "resource". Don't take a significant vassal state, because you pay for all the maintenance without garnering the benefit.

I agree that domination would definitely be facilitated by vassals. If you are careful, having multiple vassals can quickly add up the land count, not to mention acting as meatshield during a war with another power.

In general I don't like taking vassal states. The diplomacy is too tricky, and I certainly don't want to be dragged into war by my vassal's enemy.

people are less likely to attack you if you have a vassal as they look at your combined power

vassals are also handy for diplomatic wins as they will usually vote for you (the exception is if they can vote for themselves)

hi everybody total newb here, just join the forum
i want to ask something (sorry if this question is oot)
i've build the apostolic palace, and the vote surely elect me as the religion leader (thats what written in the resolution options). But after that i didn't get the diplomatic victory. Later on in the game i've found out that there is another civ (mongol) that i haven't encountered yet which is currently ethiopians vassal. The mongol didn't vote for the passed elections.

Does it mean that there can't be any civ as a vassal, for us to win the diplomatic victory with apostolic palace ?

i've search the forum for this kind of question and haven't found the answer

thx b4

there are two reasons you might not be able to get the AP victory
if you have enough votes yourself (not including your vassals) to vote yourself the victory the vote won't appear
and for the AP victory to appear everyone must have at least one city of the AP religion

wether a civ is a vassal or not affects only how they will vote in the elections otherwise it doesn't affect the AP at all

hope that answers your question

thx for the quick reply,
i guess my problem is that i haven't spread my religion to the mongols
(sorry for the bad english :D )

:D don't be sorry. even the english have bad english.

I'm pretty new to the vassal thing as well, and I have a couple things to say:

@sylvanllewelyn:
You pay for maintainence on your vassal??? I don't think that's true at all, where did you get that from? In the game I'm playing now, I have just taken Montezuma as a vassal, and I had been running at 50% science with more or less making no gold, but not losing any either. When he vassalized, I actually started making a bit of gold from my WW going away. He had like 3-4 cities, so if I had to pay maintainence on those cities, surely my gpt would have gone down?

As I said above, I took Monty as my vassal in the game I'm currently playing. I did this because: it would have been annoying to finish him off, and I would've just razed all his cities anyway, creating more room for barbarians since he was the last AI left on my continent. While he's somewhat useless in teching since he's behind, he contributes to my Domination percentages without me having to pay maintainence on his empire.

Welcome french civ fan. :beer:

I'm pretty new to the vassal thing as well, and I have a couple things to say:

@sylvanllewelyn:
You pay for maintainence on your vassal??? I don't think that's true at all, where did you get that from? .

Well you don't pay All maintenance on your Vassal... the thing is to remember where maintenance comes from

1. Units (# of units - # of Free units which depends on your empire's population)

2. Civic (depending on Civics, and your # cities and your empire's population)

3. City Maintenance... EACH city you have pays city maintenance[which is further broken down, can be reduced by Courthouse]

3a City distance (depends on distance to nearest 'palace' and population)..0 for StateProperty

3b Colonial expenses (depends on SQUARE of # cities you have on this 'continent' and population).. capped at 2x distance

3c City Number (depends on population and # of cities INCLUDING # of Vassal cities)

3d Corporation (depends on population, Civics and resources for corporation.. adjusted for inflation)


So if you have a 100 city empire and acquire a 20 city vassal, your expenses will go up... but not as much as someone who has a 120 city empire (they have to pay all the extra maintenance those 20 extra cities have)

@ aluminiumknight: you do pay extra maintenance for having a vassal; for the purposes of maintenance your vassal's cities count towards your city number so increase the maintenance costs for your own cities.
this is still cheaper than capturing the cities yourself though

If it's just # of cities maintenance, that's not too bad. It's an amoun that's capped anyway, and if you're going for a domination win you'd reach that limit anyway eventually.

In Warlords, I believe your vassal(s) add to your number of cities maintanence cost.

So in your example, let us assume Monty had 3 cities and you had 12. You would be charged for each of your 12 cities, but each ones number of cities value for maintanence would be based on 15 cities rather than 12.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm pretty new to the vassal thing as well, and I have a couple things to say:

@sylvanllewelyn:
You pay for maintainence on your vassal??? I don't think that's true at all, where did you get that from? In the game I'm playing now, I have just taken Montezuma as a vassal, and I had been running at 50% science with more or less making no gold, but not losing any either. When he vassalized, I actually started making a bit of gold from my WW going away. He had like 3-4 cities, so if I had to pay maintainence on those cities, surely my gpt would have gone down?

As I said above, I took Monty as my vassal in the game I'm currently playing. I did this because: it would have been annoying to finish him off, and I would've just razed all his cities anyway, creating more room for barbarians since he was the last AI left on my continent. While he's somewhat useless in teching since he's behind, he contributes to my Domination percentages without me having to pay maintainence on his empire.