This faction is based around an autocratic ruler who has some sort of "divine right" to rule, whether that be through our pagan religion or any of the world religions. If you are looking to officially sign up to be a part of this faction, the sign up thread is here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=266376

Also, our forum is located here: http://cfc.croxis.net/forum/index.php

Enrollment:
To join this faction, you only need to satisfy the following requirements:
-You must not be a member of any other faction
-You must be a citizen of the nation
-You must post in the Mysticracy Faction Sign Up (link above) thread declaring your interest.

Operation:

- This faction will decide upon a leader (Head of Faith), prior to the faction vote. Nominations will happen for two days which will then follow by a vote. Whoever gains the most vote wins.
- This leader may or may not appoint advisors and governors.
- The leader may pass on his powers to a member of his choosing at any time.
- The leader will rule absolutely; his/her word is final in all matters including legal, military, and foreign and domestic policy.
- Even though this leader rules absolutely, the metagame rules still apply (such as reporting events in-game, playing the correct amount of turns, etc.)

Organization:

Within the Protectors of Faith faction, members may nominate themselves or others to be the leader, and through the use of internal polls, deals, or some other means, one leader must be chosen from all candidates. This must be done before this faction officially puts in its bid to run the national government.

Each prospective leader must name a successor. If for some reason the leader should "fall ill" or "die," the successor would take over, naming his/her own successor if needed.

After the leader is chosen, the rest of the members of the faction become the "Conclave." Conclave members are called “Faithful” and can be associated with places once they are established. The Conclave has no real power unless granted by the Head of Faith, however.

Platform:
The Protectors of Faith faction is committed to the following goals (in order of importance):
1. Develop our nation's religious identity ((Found an early religion))
2. Develop the might of our nation so that we can safely practice our religion ((military safety))
3. Grow our nation ((expansion))

NOTE that we are a part of the Triad coalition along with the Philosophers of the Legion and Warlords factions. The joint platform can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=268408)

Constitution:
The Head of Faith will appoint themselves or others to be the designated turn player(s) (DTP). The DTP must follow all metagame rules. The pace and time of the turns is up to the discretion of the Head.

The divine word of the Head of Faith is law and is the final say in all disputes and law changes.

The Head of Faith may appoint any individual or faction to any position as they see fit.

Land Ownership Policy:
The Protectors of the Faith have no need for individual land ownership. After all, we do not own the land, the gods do. By pretending to be "owners," we only serve to offend them. Land under the jurisdiction of this faction becomes property of the faction itself, and it alone.

However, the Head of Faith may assign a Faithful (including himself) to a certain task that may involve being in charge of a land tile. For instance, the Head may assign a caretaker to an iron tile that will be responsible for the operations there. This is not limited or restricted in any way: He/she may assign a Faithful to be responsible for, say, all dye resources under the control of the faction.

Positions:
Positions are created/dissolved by the Head of Faith (with the exception of the Successor. The current positions are:
Successor: The Successor is the "2nd-in-command" and will take over the faction should the Head of Faith no longer be able to.
Hand of Faith: The Hand of Faith is an advisor to the Head that deals with game strategy.
Voice of Faith: The Voice of Faith is the diplomat that negotiates with other factions.

Members:
AluminumKnight (Head of Faith)
Strider
croxis (Successor)
Diamondeye (Hand of Faith)
civplayah (Voice of Faith)

Just a small point, we won't have access to the HR civic at the start of the game. :)

Just a small point, we won't have access to the HR civic at the start of the game. :)

That's one of the things that has confused me a bit about the faction system. We could get all the way through the 1st term without even having an opportunity to change civics.

I think, because there can be quite a lot of differnces between factions of the same civic, that's why we get the chance to rebel every 28? days and possibly pick a new faction.

We won't have access to the Hereditary Rule civic, this is true. However, there were Kings and Queens long before we discover Monarchy in the game. Would changing this faction to the Monarchy faction make more sense? Or perhaps, since I intended this to be a religion-based faction, a High Priest faction or something like that would be better. Suggestions?

Just a small point, we won't have access to the HR civic at the start of the game. :)

That's one of the things that has confused me a bit about the faction system. We could get all the way through the 1st term without even having an opportunity to change civics.

I believe he's looking at it this way. It is, largely, a despotism that will probably develop into a monarchy once we get to that stage. Although it needs a renaming for the moment.

Proposed Faction Rename:
Elder Council

The "despot" can be called the "Ancient" with the princes/princess's referred to as elders.

Yes, we can have different factions of the same civic, but they may have very very different government structures.

Eh, Elder Council might work, but we already have the Tribal Council. I'm leaning towards a "High Priest" and "Priest" system, but what would it be called?

Eh, Elder Council might work, but we already have the Tribal Council. I'm leaning towards a "High Priest" and "Priest" system, but what would it be called?

The Church of Wheat. Or anything else in place of wheat. We can decide on that after the game has started.

What if I called it a Mysticracy? Really, the right word is Theocracy, but I want to avoid confusions, so I made up a word. I want to avoid "Church," just sounds too Christian to me. Basically, all the rules here will be the same, but I'll just have to replace a bunch of words.

Do I need a mod to change the title of my post? Or should I repost (again)?

A mod can rename it, just post what you'd like, or use report post and ask for the change in the report.

No worries, we won't accidentally give you an infraction. :)

Changed. I think this is acceptable now.

WE need to look into what type of Civ we'll get. If its Egyptian, call it something around the term Pharaoh, and so on. There were Dynastic titles before Hereditary Rule, just in another form. Hereditary Rule means more of a separation of State and Church, whereas Despotism had it all.

It's fine, i thought the title was a little misleading. :)

Also... yes. I am still with you ;).

As long as there is room for the Followers of the Swedish Fish, I am in.

Sweet, 3 members. Now we can get down to business. I will work on getting a platform written up tomorrow (feel free to post your thoughts). Also, I'm not exactly keen on "Grand Mystic" and "Mystic" for position titles. I guess we could wait until we know what civilization we get or something, but any ideas are welcome

Any suggestions on leader? Platform? Anything? Even dropping by to say, "AK, you're the smartest person ever and I can't see anything that could change" would be great.

I'd be fond of a culture trait, but it isn't that big of a deal. I otherwise like the faction :)

I'm not so sure you could achieve an early religion with the current unpredictability in civ choice and likely choice of difficulty. If 2+ AIs start with mysticism and you're beelining Mysticism -> Meditation/Polytheism, it's a gamble (or worse yet Mysticism -> Polytheism (late) -> Masonry -> Monotheism). Otherwise this faction will be an alternate choice (although I would prefer some more possibilities for internal upheaval :backstab:)

If Prince is our difficulty, early religion is definitely still possible even without starting with Mysticism. That being said, if our starting position looks poor for grabbing tech and we don't have Mysticism, we may have to adjust accordingly. Everyone's platforms are unsure right now anyway, as we all have to see civ and starting position.

I would like to officially nominate AluminumKnight as Grand Mystic.

I would like to officially nominate AluminumKnight as Grand Mystic.
Um, accepted. However, I think this is a little preliminary, as The Masses have not arrived yet and we know nothing of starting position and civ.

I'd like to join in here for my first try at Demogames.

Oh, and AK, youre god. ;) :)

Welcome! It's only my second demogame, and I think I lasted a week in the other one, so really, it's pretty much my first too!

I just wanted to point out something to everybody: The reason I'm asking for chat availability is for if we want to have private faction-only chats so that we can vote properly. I've never been in the CFC chat, so I guess I just assumed that was just some sort of public java chatroom or something where we couldn't have privacy.

We could also try the idea of creating a crappy free forum for our faction only, that would accomplish the same goal.

Oh, I'll be setting forth a platform for my goals if I am elected Grand Mystic a couple of days after the announcement goes up.

I can host a non crappy forum :)

Sounds good Croxis. Btw, my civ skills are not that awesome so I am aiming at avoiding the Grand Mystic title myself. I think AK will do fine (for now) ;)

This faction is the best. Count me in!
But, I was thinking, why not have the Expansive trait instead of the Charismatic one?
And one more thing (this is my first Demo game,) when will we start playing?

Hopefully soon, just need to finalise the ruleset and then we should get going! :)

AlK, contact me in the chatroom if you are interested in factional forums.

I also want to point out we start with a religion civic -- Paganism!

But, I was thinking, why not have the Expansive trait instead of the Charismatic one?playing?
I thought Charismatic felt more in line with what I was going for with this faction, but I agree that Expansive might work too. This is something we'll have to decide on before any starting position or civ can be defined, so if anyone else has an opinion on this, please weigh in.

Just an update: We will be voting on traits in the very near future, so if anyone has any other suggestions on what traits to use, now is the time! The only requirement is that one must be Spiritual.

Spi/Chm sounds fine. Imho I'd rather play Brennus than Izzy when randoming civ

Congratulations, your faction has been invited to the Prime Election Debate (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=267277). The Prime Election Debate is now being hosted by the Poverty's Pub Guild. It is a place for the running factions to further voice their beliefs as well as citizens to get answers.

Please read the rules in the first post before participating.

Thanks.

AlK, contact me in the chatroom if you are interested in factional forums.
:( I'm afraid my chat attendance is going to be sparse since I can't access it at work. I will also be virtually without internet access tonight through Sunday, so if you want, just go ahead and get a forum up.

Okay, we have a lot to talk about.

First, we have to finalize our platform and candidate by this Sunday night (as described in the Faction Campaign, Election, Game Start thread), and discussion will be held next week, with elections ending by next Sunday.

Second, we are going to have to decide on traits. I was going to try and have a poll, but it seems like Spi/Cha is favored (plus, our forum is not up yet)? Other than that, our faction is pretty much defined.

Finally, I'm afraid I'll have to withdraw my candidacy for Grand Mystic. Not only will I be unavailable tonight through this Sunday, but also for an entire week starting next Friday. The good news is, I'm going on a spiritual pilgrimage and should return with great inner peace and insight... whatever, I'm going to Florida! It would just be too hard for me with missing the beginning of the game. So, thanks for the support, but I am withdrawing.

I would like to officially nominate Strider for Grand Mystic.

First, we have to finalize our platform and candidate by this Sunday night (as described in the Faction Campaign, Election, Game Start thread), and discussion will be held next week, with elections ending by next Sunday.

As far as platform goes I'd move #4 up to the #2 spot (bumping the other two down).

Platform, :agree:, might even like a 5 that was more warlike religious, like taking on a crusade, but just a suggestion.

I think we should really get working on our platform, as we have until next Sunday to work on it.

First of all, I'd like to officially endorse Strider as Grand Mystic, on the account that it seems like he knows what he's doing.

Now, I will try to cover all of the areas that we have not covered so far.
This is a rough draft and not official at all.
Part I- Faction Campaign

I think we should try our best not to mudsling, for that will denfinatly lower other factions opinions on us. As I see it, other factions may ask us questions we cannot answer immediatly. I think that if our Grand Mystic (whoever that may be) cannot answer a question, that he PM's one of us. I don't think that we should post it in our thread unless it is very urgent, in the interest of privacy. We shall not and will not give up, until all of our members unanimously vote that we should resign from the Prime Faction elections.

Part II- Traits

On Tuesday, I proposed a switch to Isabele's traits (Spiritual, Expansive) instead of Brennus' (Spiritual, Charismatic). Now, I agree with the fact that Charismatic is a good trait for our nation. But, I saw one of our goals was EXPANSION. That, to me, made the trait Expansive pop right into my head. And I frankly didn't see how Charismatic would help our faction. Henceforth, I proposed Expansive. We need to count everyone's vote on this subject soon, so please speak your mind on the subject.

I agree with most of what Ciplayah says, but if you read the description AluminiumKnight has made of the titleholder Grand Mystic, you will see that there are some aspects that lean well towards Charismatic. Although I am not utterly determined that it will be Brennus, I still vote him above Izzy. I am trying to sum up spiritual leaders, let's see how good I remember them - the bold are my favorites:
Brennus: Charismatic - sounds fine imho
Mansa Musa: Financial - no. Has nothing to do with our faction traitwise
Isabella: Expansive - yes, might work
Saladin: Protective - good synergy with the defensie military goal
Gandhi: Philosophical - Nah. Mainly because eeryone has played him too much (?)
Montezuma: Agressive - conflicts with the protective statement!
Asoka: Organized - Might work
Hatshepshut: Creative - Nah, imho, creativity is blocked by systematic religion as a theocracy.
Ramesses: Industrious - don't really think so, could be, though
Justinian: Imperialistic - Might work but not so sure.

I, personally, do not have a preference for which leader we choose.

Same. I am also ready to host faction forums, if we so choose.

I am updating AlK's proposal

Enrollment:
To join this faction, you only need to satisfy the following requirements:
-You must not be a member of any other faction
-You must be a citizen of the nation
-You must post in the Mysticracy Faction Sign Up thread declaring your interest.

Operation:

- This faction will decide upon a leader (Grand Mystic), prior to the faction vote. Nominations will happen for two days which will then follow by a vote. Whoever gains the most vote wins.
- This leader may or may not appoint advisors and governors.
- The leader may pass on his powers to a member of his choosing at any time.
- The leader will rule absolutely; his/her word is final in all matters including legal, military, and foreign and domestic policy.
- Even though this leader rules absolutely, the metagame rules still apply (such as reporting events in-game, playing the correct amount of turns, etc.)

Organization:

Within the Mysticracy faction, members may nominate themselves or others to be the leader, and through the use of internal polls, deals, or some other means, one leader must be chosen from all candidates. This must be done before this faction officially puts in its bid to run the national government.

Each prospective leader must name a successor. If for some reason the leader should "fall ill" or "die," the successor would take over, naming his/her own successor if needed.

After the leader is chosen, the rest of the members of the faction become the "Conclave." Conclave members are called “Mystics” and can be associated with places once they are established. The Conclave has no real power unless granted by the Grand Mystic, however.

Trait Possibilities:
Spiritual/Charismatic (Brennus)
Spiritual/Expansive (Isabella)

Due to the debate on which leader I suggest we do a quick vote. Please say VOTE: and then the leader you choose. Most numerous wins. This poll will be open for 48 hoursish :)


Platform:
The Mysticracy faction is committed to the following goals (in order of importance):
1. Develop our nation's religious identity ((Found an early religion))
2. Develop the might of our nation so that we can safely practice our religion ((military safety))
3. Grow our nation ((expansion))

Constitution
The Grand Mystic will appoint themselves or another to be the designated turn player (DTP). The DTP must follow all metagame rules. The pace and time of the turns is up to the DTP discretion.

The Grand Mystics divine word is law and is the final say in all disputes and law changes.

The Grand Mystic may appoint any individual or faction to any position as they see fit.

VOTE: Brennus

I have updated the constitution per croxis' changes. I have also added a link to the sign up thread which should make it easier for new members to join!

Everyone make sure to check the forum croxis has set up, I intend to start using it.

So, the final vote count is:

Traits:

Brennus:
Diamondeye, AluminumKnight

Isabella:
civplayah

No Preference:
croxis, Strider

Grand Mystic Elections

Strider
Strider, civplayah, AluminumKnight
So, the majority of the faction votes Strider, so even if croxis and Diamondeye vote someone else, it won't matter; Strider, you are officially Grand Mystic!!!:king:

Eh that works. Of fearless leader, take me away!

As grand mystic I promise to do grand mystical things.

When I created the faction system I didn't plan to actually run my own faction. The Church (which is considered to be a guild) was meant to be my baby. Now, however, I find myself in control of both the Church and Mysticracy.

First order of business is that I'd like to propose a renaming. No offense to AluminumKnight, but Mysticracy Faction just does not ring well. I propose Atlantis.

Secondly I'd like to ask all of our current members if the current platform is okay? Do we keep those goals?

Thirdly we are one of the smaller factions and as such hold little chance of gaining power alone. What do you guys think about creating a coalition with another faction?

I am fine by all accounts

A renaming would be great. Just let me know what you guys think and I'll edit accordingly.

As for the coalition, I would encourage any discussion of such sensitive matters to take place on our private forums, provided by croxis.

Renaming sounds fine. might have to change the platfrom point I from (found an early religion) to (found a religion, preferably early).

And if we are to coalize (?) with another faction it must be one with an equal focus on religion, if a such exists?

A coalition sounds fine, and I would perfer with the Tribal Council, as they are very large in population.

The platform is fine in my opinion.

Atlantis seems a little too "Octopus Overloards" for me. I was thinking more like Protecters of the Faith.

I would again like to encourage in-depth discussion of things such as coalitions and alliances to take place in the private forums set up by croxis until a public statement is ready. *points at the posts above him*

For everyone sending me Private Messages:

I am reading them, but I've gotten so many in the past few days that I don't reply unless it's required.

Now... I am looking for two people to help me. I am looking for the following from our faction members:

Diplomat - Works between factions.

Strategist - Works with gameplay elements.

If your interested just say so ;).

Strider: I am interested in being the diplomat, but I will be gone this coming week. :(

Considering I play Prince normally I doubt I can be of use as strategist, but I'd like to and it plays well in with my Roleplay sign-up statement (want to achieve-thing)

If it is okay with AluminumKnight, I would like to be temporary diplomat until AluminumKnight gets back from Spring Break.

Strider: I am interested in being the diplomat, but I will be gone this coming week. :(

If it is okay with AluminumKnight, I would like to be temporary diplomat until AluminumKnight gets back from Spring Break.

Okay... the Civplayah you are our diplomat until Aluminum gets back. Right now we just formed a coalition with the legion and Warlords that almost guarantees us a spot in the next government. Your primary job will be to work with those two factions to make sure the coalition works smoothly. Also making sure tribal isn't to pissed at us would be nice also.

Considering I play Prince normally I doubt I can be of use as strategist, but I'd like to and it plays well in with my Roleplay sign-up statement (want to achieve-thing)

Diamondeye is our strategist then. Not a lot for you to do at the moment though.

I second Civplayahs suggestion of name. Atlantis sounds a bit cliche, imho.

I'm back! Happy times!

We need a platform to be presented now. I suggest we post it as it is now. As Brennus has the majority of the votes, and we need a platform asap.

The Triad Coalitions platform (which we are members of) was posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=268408).

As for the name... I asked DS to take a midway point. I personally like the name Atlantis, but if you guys just absolutely hate it then we need to discuss it more.

Since when were we a member of a coalition? Can't people tell me these things :crazyeye:

Since we posted it in our factional forums =p

Here we go again: Since when have we had a factional forum?

Anyway, I rate the odds of the Triad Coalition as Prime rather high, but I have to be a little mad that I won't get to be seeing as much military control on our part. How can we even be sure we will be able to gain any real influence?
If this issue is more for the forums, please DO link it here.

Post 52: cfc.croxis.net/forum

Okay! Civplayah! Your first duty as diplomat. As it seems *almost* certain that the coalition has won I'd like for you to contact the other coalition leaders about how were going to go about "creating" the save.

I am personally leaning towards making it a publicly scheduled event.

Yes, O great Grand Mystic!

EDIT:
Shattered agrees that we should make it a publicly scheduled event. Still waiting for NZL's reply

Does everyone *here* agree that we should make it a scheduled event?

It has my blessing

Sure thing.

Croxis, I am being bumped for a login when trying to open forums. I need one :crazyeye:

There should be a registration button somewhere

Woohoo! We won!

My vacation was interesting. I was supposed to fly out last Friday (the 21st), but Milwaukee got absolutely buried in snow (14 inches!) and all flights were cancelled. The next flight we could get was on Monday night, so we decided to drive all the way to Florida, which is a 21 hour drive with stopping only to eat and get gas. I thought for sure I would miss the election, but I got back last night and so was able to vote right at the very end (not that we needed it).

Anyway, how exciting is this? We get our own city!

Woohoo! We won!

My vacation was interesting. I was supposed to fly out last Friday (the 21st), but Milwaukee got absolutely buried in snow (14 inches!) and all flights were cancelled. The next flight we could get was on Monday night, so we decided to drive all the way to Florida, which is a 21 hour drive with stopping only to eat and get gas. I thought for sure I would miss the election, but I got back last night and so was able to vote right at the very end (not that we needed it).

Anyway, how exciting is this? We get our own city!

Now that your back; interested in taking the title and duties of Grand Mystic?

I would be willing, since you seem to have quite a bit on your plate right now, Strider. According to the laws of our faction, you can name whomever you wish and your decision is final, so I will graciously accept the position of Grand Mystic. I promise to lead our faction in strict adherence to our goals (as much as possible, concessions had to be made in order to get into the position we are). I am making some changes to the faction (mostly changing names of things), taking civplayah's name suggestion.

I have a few things to bring to everyone's attention:

1. I am renaming "Grand Mystic" to "Head of Faith."

1. civplayah will remain as our diplomat, but your position will be "Voice of Faith." (I will be sending you a PM shortly).

2. Diamondeye, your position as strategist will be retained, but renamed "Hand of Faith."

3. I am naming croxis as my successor, if he should accept. He has proven his dedication to the faction time and time again. In the event of my disappearance, he will take over as Head of Faith.

4. I am calling for a gathering of the Conclave to address the stagnation of our faction. We shot up in numbers quickly, but have not gained a member in weeks. To me, this is slightly troubling. We can gather in my tent, as I have plenty of "herbs" and such that we can use for inspiration :D . I think that we can freely discuss these ideas out in the open of this forum, but feel free to use our private forum if you wish.

Might I suggest this for a Faction Name to help with recruitment?

What kinds of things did Monolithic man (stone age) worship? Nature? War? Storms? The Sea? Focus your faith on something a stone age man would worship and then restructure your name and even your "platform" around that concept. (IMHO)

The only problem with that is then we are locked into some sort of nature theme. For instance, if our civilization is born in a landlocked area, we probably wouldn't worship the sea so much. I suppose we could use something universal, like the Sun, but I also want this faction to make sense if we get an early religion (one of our main goals). Sun or sea worshipping no longer makes sense then. I think Protectors of Faith is a pretty good compromise. After all, faith of some sort is prevalent in any religion, including pagan religions.

The only problem with that is then we are locked into some sort of nature theme. For instance, if our civilization is born in a landlocked area, we probably wouldn't worship the sea so much. I suppose we could use something universal, like the Sun, but I also want this faction to make sense if we get an early religion (one of our main goals). Sun or sea worshipping no longer makes sense then. I think Protectors of Faith is a pretty good compromise. After all, faith of some sort is prevalent in any religion, including pagan religions.

That's a good name! I didn't see that while lurking. Best of luck to you all!

i accept :)

Yes, Protecters of the Faith is fine.

And before I forget, NZL also agrees that we should make the "creation" of the saves a publicly scheduled event. (By the way, I have no idea what that means:p)

So, we've won the elections (well, our coalition did...), so soon it will be time to get down to business regarding our city (which will be the 2nd one since we got Japan!). However, for now we can't do much because we haven't explored enough, so I'd like to share some ideas I've been thinking about for getting new members:

I might create a thread called "The tent of the Head of Faith" or something like that, and answer questions about everything (everything being IC or OOC, in-game or out of game) utilizing my "divinity." Hopefully this could generate some interest in our faction. I'm afraid it might not take off though, so if the thread starts dying, surely I can count on my Faithful to revive it?

How do we feel about PMing citizens who have registered but not chosen a faction? I think this might be a good way to show that we will reach out to individuals, and even if we don't recruit people, we could get some useful feedback as to why our faction might not be attractive to someone.

Renamed per request

Well, the first session is over, and it is now our turn to play. I haven't yet set a date and time for the 2nd session, but we now have enough information to think about where we want to put our city. So go ahead and take a look at the latest screenshot and come here with your suggestions. Other than that, I think I'm mostly going to be following orders on build order from Shattered and scouting from Provo/NZL.

Actually AlKnight, not to dissapoint, but we wanted to run the first two turn plays. This gives us time to stop on first settler so you can take over from there. Is this ok? If not, we can rearrange the order.

That's fine, I'd rather be able to play when I'd have some decisions of my own to make.

Is it just me or does this system keep changing??

This system is quite intact. Shattered decided to part his playsession into two equal parts of about 15 T each, in place of a big one of almost 30 (Legion should have about half the turnsets as they are a big faction, with one per of the minor factions and the last to the non-faction player that wins the vote). The main plan is that each faction in charge of their own city placement, should play that very session.

I see. Makes sense now. Thanks!

If everyone would check out our faction forums. I've posted a thread that we may want to discuss.

There are no active topics for the factional fourms...

Could someone tell me how to see threads?

Edit: I just got accepted to the Mysticracy group, and now I see the topics.

I need an invite to our faction on the forums, Croxis.

Diamondeye, all you need to do to get into our group is:
1. Go to "User Control Panel" under Board Index.
2. Click on the fourth tab; "Usergroups."
3. Apply for our group, and in a day or to you should be able to view our topics.

Done and done.

You should be able to see out topics right now.

I can and I have posted.

Land Ownership Policy (Rough Draft):

The Protectors of the Faith have no need for individual land ownership. After all, we do not own the land, the gods do. By pretending to be "owners," we only serve to offend them. Land under the jurisdiction of this faction becomes property of the faction itself, and it alone.

However, the Head of Faith may assign a Faithful (including himself) to a certain task that may involve being in charge of a land tile. For instance, the Head may assign a caretaker to an iron tile that will be responsible for the operations there. This is not limited or restricted in any way: He/she may assign a Faithful to be responsible for, say, all dye resources under the control of the faction.

Comments? Suggestions? I will move this into our main platform when it is finished.

It sounds reasonable. It may benefit our wise seer to delegate control of various aspects of our city, from production to land use, to different individuals.

As long as you keep the tiles under our concrete control (:Jurisdiction) so that the other people just think those areas are "free" to take - that would be to lure the other citizens and would be just as unforgivable. I say, let all tiles in our city fall under the jurisdiction of the Protectors, focus, like you said, on special things such as border-forts and special resources for a "governor" among us.

That said, as I am a member of The Monks Of Magma, and in charge of the Gem-part of that "guild", I would like that, if we have gems, I will be given responsability for that/those tiles. Other than that, it is up to the Head Of Faith (HOF:lol:), to decide whether an area requires special attention.

Agreed, Diamondeye. All tiles in our cities will be under the jurisdiction of the Protectors of Faith faction, so in a nutshell, me. However, I cannot handle the governing of everything, so I (and any other HoF) would definitely designate "governors" fairly liberally. I will add this policy to our platform.

So...
I was wondering what we are going to name our city. I was thinking New Giruvegan.

Good idea, civplayah. I like that, a lot. We need to discuss our placement as well. DaveShack has made a map with potential city sites, but I will make one that is zoomed in further so that it is easier to see, and specialized more towards us.

I've marked up some screenshots with possible city locations, also showing the likely location of the warlords city.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk69/AluminumKnight/Protectorscityplacement.jpg?t=1208125538

Red - Dye port city. I like this location, personally. However, it doesn't get us bronze, though that's kind of a non-issue considering we have horseback riding now. The question mark is a suspicious bare grass tile in the middle of forest/jungle that probably contains a resource.

Yellow - This gets us Bronze, Cow, Fish, Gems (if we can culturally steal it) and Banana. It's further away and has drastically less commercial potential.

Green - This is a city we could found even if we take the red location. In fact, I would definitely want to have a city here assuming we take the red location.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk69/AluminumKnight/Protectorscityplacement2.jpg?t=1208125783

Blue - This is the probable location of the Warlords city, and I think it's a good move for them.

Purple - This is a pretty good all-around location, with a lot of production potential as well as grabbing Ivory and Gold to push our happy cap up, along with Bronze. It's further away, however, so I would suggest this as our next city after ours and Warlords.

We must create glorious monuments to our gods, we must make sure we can build them quickly to impress the other factions

I like the Red and Purple locations best.

Factions and Guilds may now take part (as a group) in the Church of Giruvegan Gambit system. This will allow the group to earn prestige with the church.

To take part choose one of the following "gambits" that most closely aligns to your group:


Loyal
Adventurous
Intellectual
Leader

As you might know, I have created a faction honor system (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=269657). Check it out and please make nominations.

Since we are the "religious" faction, I would suggest us being "loyal" or "leader", preferably the first. Anyone against?

I was thinking Leader, though Loyal might be good too.

We must create glorious monuments to our gods, we must make sure we can build them quickly to impress the other factions

I know Im not in your faction and please I hope Im not overstepping my boundaries. The Dyeport has two hills plus a bunch of forests. I think unquestionably with your commerce rate there you will be able to have the moai statues. Needless to say you guys will be able get what you need.

I understand your concern, Ballazic. Like I said in the gameplay discussion of tech thread, I am not ignoring your input.

Anyway, I am meeting soon with the Triad Chamber (or whoever fills in) to discuss the issue of our next city. I would like to hear what you guys think. Are we satisfied with the Dye port? Do we want to grab the Bronze-Ivory-Gold city? Ballazic has informed me that he can't guarantee support from his workers if we build too far away, so we should take that into consideration.

Will the tusks of the great beasts and the shiny bing bing help us build any wonders faster in the near future? Will we be closer to harm? Will it put us in a position to greatly expand our culture and ways to impress, maybe convert, those near us?

After further consideration, the red spot seems less and less attracting. I would suggest the area north-west of Arete with lots of resources (Purple? Forgot :p)

Yeah, purple. Or Paradise Hills, as they have been named. Fitting for our city, I think. I'm decided on this location, so now all I have to do is find a time for the turnchat.

Tenative Faith city build queue (NOTE that this is the general idea, subject to change):

1. Archer for city defense (if Archery not done, will begin worker until able to build archer)
(at this time, the Prochon Warband can leave in order to serve on the front lines)
2. Archer to protect resources
3. Monument OR worker depending on size
4. Monument OR worker depending on #3

Comments/ideas? I plan on going over the exact food/production count later today and possibly revising.

Also, I would like to request that one of the Faithful remain in Arete when we leave to settle New Giruvegan (you can then call yourself the "Faithful of Arete") in order to be our representative there. Any volunteers?

As Voice of Faith, I think it is fitting for me to do that job.

I have heard from those who are out wandering that they found a place with some big rocks. I urge my fellow members to settle close to these rocks so we can build our fantastic monuments. I fear this upcoming war caused without provcation will hinder our own greatness.

Per our land ownership policy detailed in the first post in this thread, I will be designating stewards for some of the plots in the territory of New Giruvegan.

1. I will be steward of the Bronze hill, since I am also the member of the Monks of Magma for bronze.

2. Diamondeye is hereby appointed to be the steward of the gold hill.

3. croxis is hereby appointed to be the steward of the rice tile.

REMEMBER that stewardship is not the same as ownership. This land belongs to the gods and spirits, and we will not pretend to be masters over it. We are merely utilizing the gifts we have been given. This means that I can override any decision you make regarding your land ((Don't worry, I don't plan on interfering unless you do something dumb)).

However, this also means that any citizen is allowed to venture, make his home, and work where he will, without fear of trespassing on another's land. In the case of tiles under stewardship, the steward is in charge of the resources themselves and the land needed to sustain them, but not all of the surrounding land (for instance, if you want to live on the gold hill, go ahead, but you would need to petition Diamondeye in order to use the gold).

Good decisions all. I will make sure the gold is taken care of (:devil:), no seriously, that sounds fine to me.

I lack fish for sushi.

I lack fish for sushi.

Unfortunately, we are landlocked :(

In the face of the upcoming elections, it is time to have our own elections as well. I will not be seeking re-election, as it's time to get some fresh blood in, as well as my participation has gone down. Therefore, I nominate Diamondeye for the new Head of Faith.

I am afraid I must resign from this faction, because this faction seems dead and inactive. Good luck with further endevours.

Thanks Civplayah, good luck from now on.

Since AlKnight has nominated me, Civplayah has left, and Strider and Croxis seem inactive, I humbly accept the task of Head Of Faith.

On a non-election note. I am starting another great horse race at the Hall of Thundering Hooves. Sign up if you want to race the more we have the more fun and chaos will insue. First prize is 5 steeds.

Hello, citizens. Listen and listen well. As you may know, I have started an ashram in God's honor. I am looking for a faction to sponser it and I was wondering if you, Dimondeye, would like to do this. It seemed like a reasonable choice because this is my home faction and it is also the most religious faction. Also, AluminumKnight, Croxis, and Strider, would you join the ashram? I need more people in the faction and everyone here is trustworthy.:)

I would be honored to. I am afraid Strider and Croxis are rather inactive though. But I don't think there'll be a problem in me deciding on the ways of the faction that we want to sponsor it.

Just so I'm up-to-date, what have you guys been talking about on MSN? I saw the post in the private forums that said AlKnight would add you to the buddies list, and from there, nothing more has been posted in the private forums for weeks...

Exactly nothing, since he hasn't added me yet :rolleyes:

Very, very sorry Diamondeye, but I fear I must resign from the faction:cry:.

I had a bad link to this thread in the Index. It is fixed and it seems the Faction ha a new member. May I be the first to welcome Unionfield to the Dgame and this historic Faction.

EDIT- It seems the problem is not fixed and the link will not work. I am stumped and will have a MOD look into it.

Indeed. Welcome Unionfield, to the Protectors of Faith. If you have read some of the latest posts you might have noticed that most of the other members are inactive (practically left the game). In fact, only I remain (and now you), and Civplayah (who has joined another faction). I hold no grudges against you if you decide to join a faction with more potential, but if you decide to stay, welcome it is! At present we are not a part of the Prime Faction, but since this is a democracy game, everyone has the possibility of becoming something. Please check the threads in the RPG forum to get your character a place to live and a ART account. If you need help with anything, ask me - either here or by Personal Message.