Recon is the only major line the Kuriotates have that does not yet have its own artwork. Therefore it represents a great opportunity for this multiracial state to "bring another into the fold". But the obvious question is, what should this race be? Preferably they would be small and quick, ideal for scouting, and not be too much of a hassle to make (I'm thinking of the lamias here). What do YOU think?

I could deinitely dig on letting them use rat or other vermin derived semi-humans. Could make for quite a few interesting abilities should the desire arise to make them non-standard in more than just the artwork :)

Decently dressed nymphs and dryads. :P

Dryads make good sense to me. Militarily, I mean. No other considerations whatsoever, really. ;)

I'd definitely like to see Dryads as a Druid UU (maybe like a normal druid but an elemental and no alignment restriction?), but am unsure about the other nymphs for recon. could be god though.

Nymphs make pretty cool recon by their very nature (no pun intended), since there are a group for every feature of the land. If you want to know who travelled through a certain valley a few days ago, ask the valley's nymphs; or if you want to know who drank from a particular stream, ask the stream's nymphs. A mechanic where they were bound to a certain tile and couldn't go more than a few tiles away from it and maybe couldn't leave the terrain type they're associated with would be interesting. As would a mechanic with hamadryads being bound to forest tiles, which die if their forest is cut down.

i would like nymphs to be the recon line, perhaps being tied to certain terrain types like Dharma said. and dryads as the druid replacement would be perfect in my books :)

oh and please not rat people. i play Warhammer in there the rat people are evil chaotic enslaving chaos worshiping freaks of nature, and thus do not fit the kuriotates at all. its just silly :crazyeye:

Moar Hottiez

oh and please not rat people. i play Warhammer in there the rat people are evil chaotic enslaving chaos worshiping freaks of nature, and thus do not fit the kuriotates at all. its just silly :crazyeye:

Well in real-world mythology lamias eat babies and centaurs are violent, drunken barbarians. The whole point of the kurios is that they acccept those that are met with violence in other lands :goodjob:

Yeah, last book I read (Darksword Trilogy) has some incredibly disturbing Centaurs. They were on a level worse than animal.

Rat people are fairly uncommon, so my vote goes to them. Plus they'd make perfect sense for an empire notable for large cities.

Do we have any human/cats? No, I'm not asking for FfH to include anime-catgirls or some similar thing, but some feline traits could be pretty useful for a scout.

argh, no please not the rats. ill never be able to play the Kurios the same again! (i dont care that lhamia nad centaus are seen as nasty thing in other fantasy references.) ill always see ratmen as nasty evil warped chaotic Skaven :(

Come on people Vote for the Hottiez! :p

I think Oompa loompas should be the Kuriotate recon line.

I think Oompa loompas should be the Kuriotate recon line.

Or the balseraph...CAVALRY LINE! :crazyeye:

Toss in another vote for ratmen. It makes sense thematically, as already pointed out. Plus, if this thread is any indication, it would make more people refuse to play the Kuriotates and make them more inclined to wiping them out, which are always good things.

It would be cool with a hobbit as a scout.

It would be cool with a hobbit as a scout.

Yeah, a blend of hobbit and skaven is sort of what I had in mind (though skaven themselves didn't occur to me till Psychic_Llamas pointed them out), with a little more hobbit than skaven ;)

I kinda picture either a Rat base Manticore (so just the head of a human), or a Rat base Minotaur (so just the opposite). Either could be quite interesting.

The former sounds chillingly terrifying.

I was thinking something along the lines of a Jade Empire Rat Demon (http://jade.bioware.com/characters/rat_demon.html).

NB Just a rough idea of the appearance, and the fluff is right out.

I've always been fond of kobolds and their trap setting ways. Ratlings would be all right. I hope the race is not halflings (or hobbits, or whatever), though. They are too close to humans for my liking. Also, their happy-go-lucky innocence and incorruptibility doesn't lend itself well to FFH's dark setting.

I was thinking something along the lines of a Jade Empire Rat Demon (http://jade.bioware.com/characters/rat_demon.html).

NB Just a rough idea of the appearance, and the fluff is right out.

Perhaps the musteval (http://nightmare.org/dnd/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1698) might be more appropriate?

Aww, he's cute!

Aww, he's cute!

Well he is a guardinal; basically an angel ;)

well if the rat men were 'good' (well as good as they come in FfH) rats (more mice than rats) then i would probably give in. i like Fenboys Musteval more than the rat demon, and definately not the skaven.

I honestly dont see the Kurios encouraging rats (even semi human rats) to breed in their cities. even though the cities are huge. the kurios are too 'good' to do that.

According to Wikipedia, Musteval's are not rat-like, but ferret-like Guardinals (which I had not heard of until I looked them up). Ferrets are not rats, and in fact eat them and other such pests. They are kept as pets in part because they catch rats like cats do, and have also been used for Rabbit-hunting for thousands of years. Wikipedia also says that Mustevals serve mostly as spies and messengers, which sounds just about right for the recon line.


I don't think I could be convinced to use rat-people, but I had actually thought that ferret-men could be kind of cool when the rat-men were first introduced. These would be good for the scouts and assassins, but I think I still prefer Dryads for Druids. It might be odd though for a ferret-man to upgrade to a nymph.

(In my modmod I'm thinking that I'll probably make Druids available to all alignments, plus have both nature ans life spheres. They would however require a minimum level, to be upgraded from recon units or FoL disciples. I might make Dryads a UU that is the same but has the Elemental (or maybe angel?) promotion and no level requirements and to which no unit can upgrade.)

Well quit thinking 'rat-people' and start thinking "rodentia" then, that includes all range of better creatures.

Or think "Nimh" :p

i like the idea of ferret-men :p if nymphs and dyrads are not an option :lol:

the musteval is nice...

"Nimh" rings a bell... that colony of super intellgient lab rats who escape, right?

NIMH = National Institute of Mental Health, a part of the United States Department of Health.

In the series of children's books by Robet C. O'Brian (well, the first book was by him, his daughter wrote the sequels), the Rats (and some Mice, like the late husband of the books main character) had already escaped from a NIMH research lab and built their colony. They are super intelligent compared to other rodents, but only slightly above the average human.

i remmeber reading those a long time ago... were they any good? i can't remember.

Perhaps the musteval (http://nightmare.org/dnd/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1698) might be more appropriate?

"REDWAAAAAAAAAALL!" :p

True, I suppose that guy looks a bit nicer for a "Good" empire. Granted, Erebus's definition of "Good" also includes crazy guys like Basium, but the Kuriotate are the "nicest" of the empires (the better to set them up as opposites of the Sheaim, I suppose). I might like it better if it's fur was a bit darker, though.

I might like it better if it's fur was a bit darker, though.

Yeah, likewise. Of course, no-one said they *had* to be white; personally I think either dark grey or light brown would be nice

Perhaps the musteval (http://nightmare.org/dnd/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1698) might be more appropriate?

Well, he looks kinda werewolf like (but more civilized ;) ) So, if we would do the model, we could upgrade the werewolf´s one too... that is, if ;)

Yeah, it wins.

so, sezereth, get crakin' ;)

yeh darker fur would make it more assassin like.

Fur color could vary for the different recon units.

I think he's too... cute? clean? I was hoping for something grittier (http://images.wikia.com/l5r/images/d/db/Shiny_Treasure.jpg). But I suppose that's just a matter of art direction.

I think that Feral Bound tech should be containing many stuff for kuriotates.

Well, like magister said, a kuriotate shadow would look different from a hunter or a scout.

TBox, yours would do for a Shadow, i think...

I Want Hobbits!

Kobold Bards! :woohoo:
Charge my army of kobolds! Attack with your humming! :lol:
As you can see I liked Deekin.
(Yes I realize some of you hate him, in that case throw Kobolds against waves of spearmen for kobold on a shtick!)
Yay!
-Never

What about something more insectlike or reptillian? Although in that monster manual of D&D (which honestly only has a small number of the probably hundreds of monsters out there used for D&D) most of the reptillian or insectoid sentients are evil aligned.

Maybe something outside D&D lore but still within fanasty or sci-fi/fantasty?

I can't think of anything atm, although if there is a good place where I could get ideas, could you link it?

Even though we already have the lizardmen, these guys were origionally humans that were twisted during Bhall's fall (unless Kael says otherwise). It doesn't mean that there could be other reptillian races though.

As far as faeries go, I'm not sure if we can avoid the princess rule while at the same time making them look like faeries. They would probably have to be insectoid though.

well... musteavel could be from Oghma (or some other god/angel) as scouts, spies because the god favors the kuriotates

I still like the Musteaval recon line idea. If it is extra-planar though, they should come from Amathaon

I still prefer a Dyrad Druid UU. Their recon line probably wouldn't upgrade to these (probably elemental) druids.

these:

http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/t/thomasberubeg/89243/rchezojknk.jpg

Thats just...

... cute?

cute? no, more like a bit wierd. but then again, it IS an insectoid.

It probably should have a less humanoid looking head though. Are there three pairs of legs or two on that one? I think I can see the third pair right behind it, but hard to tell.

Where did you find that pic thomas?

some fantasy artist...

justin sweet is his name.

Re: the mustevals, I wasn't thinking that they'd actually [B]be[B] D&D, extraplanar mustevals, just look like them, possibly with a different name.

The mantis guy is an interesting path to take, but I don't think they'd be the kind of creature that'd be particularly populous, and we need something that the AI can spam.

/Not to say I wouldn't want it in the game, perhaps as a Barbarian UU?

uh, insects breed fast and have many many eggs, so it is not a stretch to say that the females of this speces have like 10+ eggs a year. I really don't think bieng populous is going to be an issue if they breed the way insects do.

if we take the insectoid path, we don't need to make it real humanoid like that one, but that pic can certainly act as inspiration.

depending on what Kael says, I think it might be the most likely thing to use those Mustevals, as we will need Skaven for WH fantasy at some point and thus I could easily create a slight variation of the same model. So, I would do it, if Kael gives his Ok (and Ploe might be happy at some point as well...). So, someone has to ask him for his official ok :p

yea we really need Kaels say on this thing.

Although if we do go the insectoid path, would you and the other graphics designers be able/willing to or like to do something like that seZereth? I'm just wondering here.

edit: how the heck did I double post :P Isn't there supposed to be a limit of some seconds before you post again? (which does help against accidential double posting)

Nymphs or Dryads with big boobies.

Nymphs or Dryads with big boobies.

extra big :D

No thanks, my gf already frowns on my FfHing, I'd rather not risk total banishment!

extra big :D

play sheaim, they have succubusses ;)

graphically a Musteval would be the easiest...

I think they're called succubi in plural. But I suffer from over-use of the -us to -i change.

And pardon me for asking, but what, precisely, is a Musteval?

There is a link a few pages back. Basically they look like weasels, except human size and able to stand on thier hind legs and all that.

succubusses...succubi...succubae...fallen madonna with the big boobies...who knows :p

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/boed_gallery/75111.jpg
Musteval image reposted, for those asking.

hey have succubusses

In this case they are being used in the accusative plural, so it would be Succubos (or Succubas if you use the older, more correct form Succuba)

Do we really need to argue over the grammar of Succubus?.....

Yes, of course:D I'm learning something, that makes it worthwhile to me.

Naked Nymphs and Dryads!!! With sex toys! :p

Seriously though Nymphs and Dryads would be cool. I'd play the Kuriotates all the time if I could get these mixed with Centaurs :)

Al

Nymphs or Dryads with big boobies.

Nvm, scratch that. Just make em Boobies with legs.

Seriously though Nymphs and Dryads would be cool. I'd play the Kuriotates all the time if I could get these mixed with Centaurs :)

The image you just conjured up is those groups getting it on and making Nymph/Centaur bastard offspring. Which is wrong in so many different ways it makes my head hurt.

Nvm, scratch that. Just make em Boobies with legs.

Isn't that a Troma movie? ;)

depending on what Kael says, I think it might be the most likely thing to use those Mustevals, as we will need Skaven for WH fantasy at some point and thus I could easily create a slight variation of the same model. So, I would do it, if Kael gives his Ok (and Ploe might be happy at some point as well...). So, someone has to ask him for his official ok :p

Personally Im not as much into the half beast theme of the kuriotates as some of the other team members. I do like when it shows their diversity for something that humans wouldnt be as good at (the centaurs and lamia are really cool). But I wouldnt want the the civ to start to feel like a monster civ, so id probably stick with humans for the scouts.

Couse if seZ was to come out with some cool ratmen units they wouldn't go to waste. Personally Id rather see them as specialized Council of Esus units or replacements for the Sheaim recon line.

They aren't Ratmen, they are Ferretmen I'm not a fan of the darker, rat-like assassin versions either, although they could have such a unit if they go CoE.

Well, if you're going to thumbs-down the ratmen/ferretmen/rodentmen/insectmen... the 2nd place winner is still dryads. They're not exactly monsters or half-beasts...
They don't even have to be any more PG-13 than the Svartalfar...
:please:

Have a narnia take to them...

floating clouds of petals!

I think the nymphs dryads would make a nice addition. more female art is always a good thing. as most of the races units are still men.

I still think that Dryad Druids would be best too, but I like the Musteval for recon better.

I like the multiracial aspect of the Kuriotates because I feel that it gives them a clear identity - something they otherwise somewhat lack.

Plus, centaurs are just plain cool ;)

Honestly though, I see dryads as something that would be found more in FoL since they are nature elementals (specifically though, they are tree/forest spirits). Or even allied with the elves, either side because even with the darker side to the Svartalfar, they still have a strong connection to nature.

Still, the main theme of the Kuriotates is that they attract various races which are persecuted, treated as second class (or even third class) citizens, or driven off thier lands by other civilizations. In fact, the pedia entry for them states that due to thier huge range of influence, they are in contact with races that are rare or otherwise live in regions where the human population is sparse.

The general image I have of the Kuriotates sometimes is that if you look at a typical marketplace in thier supercities or in a settlement, you would find all sorts of races milling about, some even bieng non-humanoid.

I kind of like the idea of Dryads, but the only problem is, aren't they supposed to be attached to a specific tree and can only go a certain distance before they get progressively weaker?

I've played the Kurio several times, and a sort of mouse/ferret-man sort of thing could be good, since you could fit quite alot in a city that big. However, if a mouseman/ferret-man thing is used, no more hydrids. It's like Kael said, and would make them to monsterous.

On a side note, alien-looking faerie things should maybe be barbarian, with weather-style abilities.(See the Torchwood episode Small worlds.

Fairies! Dryads! Nymphs! Boobs! :p

God I'm like a child :D

Al

This is the Faeire from Torchwood I was talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Small_Worlds_%28Torchwood%29.jpg


In Torchwood, the Faeire take one child a generation to become one of them, and if ssomeone interfers, the Faeires do every thing from choke them on rose petals to threaten weather desaster

Looks sort of like a goblin or at least one of those that got twisted from Bhall's fall.

Okay, i havent noticed the Kurios with Lamias. What Lamias are you referring too? Itd be very cool to think the snake-men lamias are the ones referred to here and are part of Kurios armies, although ive played Kurios before and have not seen any cool snake_people. Am I missing Something? (and if Lamias are not in fact included, they might not be a bad idea for recon)

Lamia are going to be the Kuriorate arcane line.

The model was amde by C. Roland, but has not been animated, and thus we have human mages for the Kuriorates for now.

Kobolds aren't rat people (Unless your talking Warcraft...). But little lizard men, with light armor and short bows, agile and quick, running through streets, towns, forests, anything you could think of.

My vote is Kuriotate cat-people and Sheim rat-men. They could fight.

I'm pretty sure Kael shot this down and said that Kurio recon was going to be human...

He said that he would prefer they be human, but that other members of the team like the half-beast theme more than he does and if the art team makes the good graphics a non-human recon line he would go ahead and include it.

My vote is Kuriotate cat-people and Sheim rat-men. They could fight.


Why people allways links Kuriotates with Sheaim? The only thing which could connect them is Cult of the Dragons, but the reasons for accepting it is different, just like everything else. Also Kuriotates aren't opposite to Sheaim (I think Kurio is opposite to Dovielo and Sheaim to Elohim).

End off-topic :) I add my voice to smal ferret-like creatures for Kurio.

i think its because the sheim (well the veil) represent entropy and the kuriotate represent creation

i think its because the sheim (well the veil) represent entropy and the kuriotate represent creation


hmm, I think entropy is Infernals sphere and Sheaim is dimension.

Fairies! Dryads! Nymphs! Boobs! :p

God I'm like a child :D

Al

A completely new race, the Boobaria. They are pairs of Boobs kept afloat by long forgotten magic, and made sentient. However, due to the lack of eyes, they don't have any visibility range. However, that isn't a problem because whenever an enemy attacks, it deals no damage to the Boobaria, and has a 25% chance of being converted!

Unless they are attacked by the Svartalfar, in which case the chance is only 10% of 25% = 2,5%:lol:

Rat people: I would not like but I rarely build much recon. Tolerable, but only barely. Don't call them kobolds please.

Halflings: A perfect excuse to wipe out the Kuriotates. Ever since I read LotR I have had an irresistable urge to slaughter all hobbits/halflings at sight. Not that I ever tried to resist it. "Wipe them out. All of them."

Humans can be their melee/archers. Definitely not them.

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I voted for hotties. But of course I have my reasons. Perhaps lower combat stats but a chance to convert living units before combat, no harm done to either. If it is clearly unbalanced, you might make it an offense only trait so they can be killed easily if unprotected. Obviously they could not convert females, but only the Svartalfar army is predominantly female so it is not much of an issue. Loyal(ty) units should be immune rather than die.

Alternatively you might give them appropriate (aka whatever you like) terrain adjustments and a charm person like spell.