Inspired by the derailment of the 'Most (un)pleasant empire' thread, here it is.
We've probably all got some idea of what we'd do if we'd been so lucky to exist on Erebus, so why don't you tell others about your idea?
Rules are simple, post what you'd be, preferably with a short explanation. Feedback on choices are welcome, but keep flaming to a minimum.

I guess I'll start.
I'd probably be a mage, seeing as my toughness is about as big as the charisma of an ogre. My guess is that I'd be an Amurite, though I'd probably conflict quite a bit with their laws, especially regarding the regulations on certain types on magic. Perhaps I'd move to the Grigori? Either way, I'd stay a long way away from both the Bannor and the Clan. At least far enough for me to teleport away if I see them approaching.

Next!

I guess I'll repost in here!

I'd be an elf, definitely, and going to by real world talents, probably a scholar of some sort - a linguist or a historian or something. Maybe an explorer.
But I'd love to be a bard in Erebus. Even though I have absolutely no talent with musical instruments beyond my own voice in the real world.

Svartalfar Druid

Luchirp golem crafter

Hippus horse r(a)ider. :)

Kuriotate paladin.

Amurite mage

Balseraph courtesan.

Gibbon Goetia.

Well, now that I am making a mod-mod, probably that means I'd aim for being one of the Angels :P

Personal preference would be to be Perpentarch.

Most realistic is a Sage Specialist, and I doubt I would even notice which Civ I was in.

Hmm...I was thinking probably an engineer (probably Luchuirp, Elohim, or Grigori), but apparently Kael thinks otherwise; I just got a PM from Kael saying that he added Magister Cultuum to the list of Great Sage names for the next version.

I change my vote. I'd rather be a FoL prophet or Svartalfar Assasin, or Elohim Philosopher

That's amusing, MC


I'd be one of those people writing traitorous literature.

That or one of the assassin units. I'm still annoyed about Myriel.

Hmm...I was thinking probably an engineer (probably Luchuirp, Elohim, or Grigori), but apparently Kael thinks otherwise; I just got a PM from Kael saying that he added Magister Cultuum to the list of Great Sage names for the next version.

That's Awesome. I'd definetly see you as an engineer though.

That or one of the assassin units. I'm still annoyed about Myriel.

Traitorous Literature!

Ooh, being an Elohim philosopher would be cool, as well.

Ohh! i can't wait for that sage to pop up :) congrats.

Hmm...I was thinking probably an engineer (probably Luchuirp, Elohim, or Grigori), but apparently Kael thinks otherwise; I just got a PM from Kael saying that he added Magister Cultuum to the list of Great Sage names for the next version.

Excellent! I am so playing a Sheiam game once the next patch comes out! :mischief:

i would be a Ljosalfar Druid

A rather lukewarm apprentice/mage-in-training of the Amurites sounds just about right. An Order Confessor (regardless of nationality; I would've said Bannor, but being a Confessor in Bannor might get a bit boring all too fast) might be more like what I'd want to be, but I don't really have what it takes, so a lukewarm apprentice it is.

To be "realistic", I'd probably be dead. ;)
But I'd want to be an Amurite mage, even with the negatives involved.

I'm gonna aim for a Magister too :) . Anyway, what happened to the "Short explanation" part? Just listing the thing is boring :(

I don't even know what's which position of which society is the safest, in terms of not getting beaten, killed, have your soul dragged to hell, enslaved... it almost seems like everyone runs the risk of getting into a lot of trouble. It almost seems like the whole of Erebus is already next to hell, that's why it's in danger of being dragged into it.

I guess I would be a Grigori landlord. I would be in an empire that doesn't fight anybody and never drafts (their armies are made of volunteer farmers, and I won't volunteer!!!). I would have the money and influance to ensure that myself and my family will have the bare necessities to live on even during plague and famine, but since I am not a noble or a civil servent, I won't be the target of assassinations or abductions. In times of peace I would be a solid middle class.

A farmer on a (hopefully) secluded farm, far away from anyone's front lines and largely unconcerned with the despot, benevolent or otherwise, who considers my land part of their nation... hopefully avoiding the plague and making enough to feed my large family after the local lord takes his share, perhaps heading in to the nearest city to see the carnival or visit the library with thte little ones now and again.

Or else champion, crusader, or paladin in some good nation sent afar to help some other nation turn back the tide of demons or barbarians killing thier farmers.

Either way. I'd prefer the long, quiet, good life, but if necessary, I'll take the short, bloody, good life. ;)

A Bannor Bounty Hunter. There are a lot of laws to be broken when your state religion is the Order. Minor offenses are dealt with harshly, plenty of business I imagine. I'm on the trail of a certain Great Sage right now. Capria is not remotely amused by his latest antics. ;)

Oh yeah, Demons and Orcs are dealt with for no fee. An allied Infernal and Clan of Embers army burned my hamlet to the ground. They killed my wife Sarah and two daughters, Leah and Rachel...

largely unconcerned with they despot, benevolent or otherwise, who considers my land part of their nation...

perhaps heading in to the nearest city to see the carnival

If you're going to go to the carnival, Perpentach might be a bad despot to live under. :p

Oh, aye, let's take it as a given that peasants would probably not want to live in Calabim, Doviello, Balseraph, Clan (if human), Svartalfar (if human) or Infernal lands. ;)

Faeryl's personal masseuse.

I'd be either a Vicar of the Empyrean, or a Grigori Adventurer...

Dentaro's personal assistant, privy to the best kept secret on Erebus: "What makes the War Machine run?"

Either a Bannor Crusader/Paladin or an Elohim Paladin. When there is an actual threat of hell, it would be my duty to protect the world from it. Or kill elves, dwarves, mad cultists, and Esus spies.

An Illian priest of the White Hand would work too. I've always enjoyed the cold. :P

If my skill in AoE2 or Rome Total War is any measurement, I think I'd do reaonably well as a Hippus battle leader of some sort. I'm good with math too, maybe some sort of "desk" job. (How widespread is literacy in Erebus anyway).


Or I'd get sick and die, far more likely than any of the above...........

Either a Bannor Crusader/Paladin or an Elohim Paladin. When there is an actual threat of hell, it would be my duty to protect the world from it. Or kill elves, dwarves, mad cultists, and Esus spies.

An Illian priest of the White Hand would work too. I've always enjoyed the cold. :P

Killing elves and dwarves is good, especially in your spare time when there are no demons or orcs around.

I'd be the squire of a Grigori Adventure party.

Illian Inquisitor , Lanun Immortal :P
Inquisitor prolly.
Mabby Grigorian Luonottar.

I would invent the steam engine and, shortly after, the combustion engine. :P
If I had more technical expertise, I could also invent the computer.
Or are we not allowed to "cheat" by bringing modern technology with us?

Judging by my future profession (law), I'd probably be a vampire:D

But in reality, I imagine I'd be a Sidar, a perpetual nerd with all the time in the world to hoard knowledge.

I would invent the steam engine and, shortly after, the combustion engine. :P
If I had more technical expertise, I could also invent the computer.
Or are we not allowed to "cheat" by bringing modern technology with us?

The steam engine was invented in 62AD by some crazy smart guy in Egypt. Unfortunatly he didn't invent the railway so he didn't have much practical use for his engine. Little did he know that 700 years before that a guy created a 4 mile railway in Corinth that was powered by slaves.

If the egypt guy would have known about the other guys work Jesus would have been close to taking a trains around the middle east.

The Ancient Greeks also developed the Steam engine as a child's toy but didn't think much else of it.

By "close to" I guess you mean that it could have happened but not for at least 30 years after he died.


Hero of Alexandria was that "crazy smart guy." He was in Egypt, but was almost certainly also an Ancient Greek (some used to claim that he was Egyptian of Phoenician, but most say Greek. About 2/3 of those at the Musaeum of Alexandra in Egypt were Greeks after all, and most of the remaineder were Jews.)

It actually wasn't just a child's toy, it was also used to open doors (mostly in temples). The Ancients liked temples whose doors opened automatically when someone sacrificed a burnt offerings outside the doors, since the commoners think that the Gods were pleased with the offering and were opening their doors to their worshipers.

I'm not so sure the Ancient world would have had enough fuel (coal, charcoal, peat, oil, whatever) to make moving locomotives for great distances be very feasible. Their engines probably wouldn't be efficient enough to move very far or very fast (kinda like the first steam ships, which couldn't really move but had all the principles right)



I assumed that in the world of FfH that the Dwarves have already developed steam engines, and that this knowledge was obtained from them and used in building The War Machine. (I also think that a slow but strong (possibly armored) steam ship would be a good Dwarven UU.)

back to topic :p
I would probably be a Elohim druid. My strong connections to nature make me live very hermitic. I want to live a peaceful life and bring peace and goodness to everyone. I would only give advices to guide others to the path of wisdom and wouldn't force anyone to follow them. For me, wars would be never excusable (although I am quite militaristic in FfH :D) as well as any harm to nature (by human, demonic, elfish, etc. behaviour). I would be sober-minded and reliable person. But when it comes to treachery and deceit, I could be going to make them uncomfortable...

I think I'd be a Kuriotate interpreter for the Overcouncil (I guess they'd need some with all the various nations that are members). I'd know the Kurio, Lanun and Malakim languages. Probably some non-humanoid dialects as well, what with coming from a society full of fantasy creatures :)

I kinda assumed that the Overcouncil would use the new Lingua Franca of the age of rebirth (based on the Patrian preserved by the Elohim, but with other elements as well.) Only the Luchuirp use this as their everyday language though, so interpreters might still be needed when discussions require precision of language.

Hmm, I didn't know about this lingua franca. Anyhow, I think nations would still preserve their national languages at least at a local level (if not within the Overcouncil), so some sort of interpretation might still be needed somewhere :D

BTW, Patria means 'the homeland' in Romanian (though I think it's inspired from Latin).

"Fatherland" in Latin.

Rosier the fallen.

working 40 hours a week at a calabim breeding pit.

I feel like Patrian is similar 9in use, not origin) to English is in RL. The UN is kinda like Overcouncil, and the UN still has plenty of translators, even if most world leaders speak at least a small amount of English. I feel like in Erebus where people are nastier than here, they would be even less inclined to adopt a universal language. And working in a breeder pit would be all fun and all until you got tired and were eaten.

Actually, Patrian is like Latin in the middle ages. You probably guessed that much, but that means that most of the educated/aristocratic classes speak or read it in most of the non-new nations, but few of the commoners do, in any nation. So it would function, I assume, as a common language for elites, even if it isn't actually in use anywhere.

Though the time from the Age of Magic until contact is re-established in the Age of Rebirth isn't that long linguistically, so most descendant languages are probably not that different, and commoners from each land share many words and syntax in their dialects, making basic communication possible, though for complex ideas, or any novel concepts, translation is required.

Yay, so that means I can still make a living. Phew!

I would be Lita the Witch, lol
nah, I would prolly just be a svartalfar student. 9th grade, w00t! can't wait 'til I get to kill my first slave in assassin training :D

I'd probably be a Kuriotate Radiant Guard. If I'm going to fight, it would have to be for ideals such as equality and peace. Plus, I get to blind people that try to kill me. Radiant guards on the defensive almost never die. :mischief:

Though the time from the Age of Magic until contact is re-established in the Age of Rebirth isn't that long linguistically, so most descendant languages are probably not that different, and commoners from each land share many words and syntax in their dialects, making basic communication possible.

Actually, 1.000 years can do a remarkable amount of damage to a language. Look at Anglo-Saxon to modern English, for example.

Yeah, but the Anglo-Saxons were kinda conquered by the Normans... so that should have had some influences, no? Also, during those 1000 years the English had contacts with other languages and cultures. On the other hand, in the Age of Ice, contact between the civilizations was very little, right?

Well, all the more reason that the languages would differ wildly. Without interchange and outside influence for 1,000 years, the dialects would develop in absurd directions - look at Pikey, hochdeutsch and low German, Creole, the Norwegian dialects. And they even had the benefit of cross-fertilisation to stave off the worst excesses.

Imagine what Hillbilly would develop into if completely cut off from mainstream English for 1,000 years. The horror.

yeah, 1000 years is a long enough time to be largely incomprehensible; I was imagining more like half that, but I don't think there's a definite timeline.

Are you sure? I'm fairly positive some design/canon document says 1.000 years.

Also, during those 1000 years the English had contacts with other languages and cultures. On the other hand, in the Age of Ice, contact between the civilizations was very little, right?

Contact with those who speak other languages isn't the only way a language changes, however. Changes are made for the sake of ease (French le/la before a noun beginning with a consonant, l' before a noun beginning with a vowel; ê in place of "es"), due to the necessity of a new word created by a new discovery that can't be described easily with existing words (this only happens in very ancient languages, or when some dramatic change occurs - e.g. the whole world freezing ;)), change in the environment in which the speakers live (a formerly aristocratic society could have a very wordy, formal, poetic language; but when the Age of Ice hit and they were forced to scavenge and hunt to survive, that language would probably be reduced to something more basic, for simple and quick communication - as with tribal societies in the Amazon whose languages have evolved to include or consist entirely of the sounds of the animals that live around them), and many other possible scenarious. One thousand years changes a language quite dramatically regardless of contact with outsiders; and with social changes like that, it could change pretty drastically.

All the better. They'll need interpreters :D

The real trouble would be getting all those cultures together understanding each other, in a certain spirit of tolerance. This Overcouncil thingy sounds really complex from that point of view.

Why would so many on the forums wish to engage in any profession that involves killing? I'm no pacifist, but the least favourite part of being in the military is, obviously, when you have to actually kill someone yourself. Some would say it's even worse than the fear of being captured, although on Erebus I'd take death over enslavement anytime.

I'll refine my choice a little: a farmer near the Grigori capital that owns his own farm and a small business of preserved foodstuffs as well. The least likely place to get drafted or hit by unnatural disasters. Although being a Luonnotar would be nice too - you're actually immune to most spells (except if someone summons a creature and walks up to you, well, you get physically bashed too).

An Amurite mage who moved to a small village in the grigori lands.

Or then a Luchuirp engineer.

A Balseraph Sommelier. I wouldn't rock the boat too badly, so as to not draw Perp or Keelyn's attention, but I would try and help innocent victims of the hedonistic debauchery around me. Maybe smuggle slave children out to neighboring Lanun or Luchuirp territories.

I think I'd like to be that starting elf scout that luckily survives a spider.
I'd eventually retire in a forest cottage and entertain my grandchildren with the story.

Th-that's the best one. :D

an evil, evil vampire:evil:

Vampiric blood sucking leach... J/K i would be a luchuirp golem maker that was also like an archmage turned sidar :lol::lol::lol::lol: just think 1000 years to perfect a golem :eek::eek::scan::scan::lol:
(sorry if it seems to be incoherent rambling, i have ADHD and speak Californian as my native language :lol::lol::lol:)

I'd be a great sage. Or that apprentice in the special events who starts a guild :p

A Bannor paladin. War has come to Erebus, and the pacifistic route is probably untenable. As such, what would be better than to be standing on the front lines of civilization, protecting humanity from the forces of darkness?
Also, my theme song would be Enigma of the Absolute (that song seems Bannor/Order to me - I don't know why it is under RoK)

The main reason that people like jobs involved in killing is that is what we see from the game... But you have to take into account that depending on how you are brought up killing would be easier or harder. A brutal world where it's you or them it would be much easier to choose them, as opposed to our world where we don't see killing done on a regular basis, and therefore have a harder time dealing with it.

The main reason that people like jobs involved in killing is that is what we see from the game... But you have to take into account that depending on how you are brought up killing would be easier or harder. A brutal world where it's you or them it would be much easier to choose them, as opposed to our world where we don't see killing done on a regular basis, and therefore have a harder time dealing with it.

I completely agree. Also, in Erebus, you are mostly fighting peoples that are very different, often completely different races. It is much easier to kill someone that is very different from you than someone whom you could be friends with in a different situation. Personally, I would have no issues with killing in defense of myself or my countrymen, and I feel that most of the civilizations in Erebus are not inherently agressive (minus a few of the evil ones), but are largely just trying to survive in a hostile world. As such, being a soldier, killing in defense of others, is an honorable thing to do; one is risking one's own life for others.

Hate the action, pity the actor!

*would make a good Elohim*

Playwright in a Kuriotate Theatre.

(closest I could find for "script-writer")

i'd probably be a moroi (and hopefully a vampire warlord later in my life). I'd love to be able to gather the amount of knowledge you can with the lifespan of a vampire, but i doubt i'd be born as one :p

Grigori hero dragonslayer

The main reason that people like jobs involved in killing is that is what we see from the game... But you have to take into account that depending on how you are brought up killing would be easier or harder. A brutal world where it's you or them it would be much easier to choose them, as opposed to our world where we don't see killing done on a regular basis, and therefore have a harder time dealing with it.

Very well put on both points. Perhaps if Civ4 had a more animated city interface, rather than just icons to select, we'd be more likely to pick say, Luchuirp Engineer (an interesting job by most standards). As for your second point, I think that in our cosy little bubble of civilisation, we in the West are increasingly divorced from just how violent the world has always been, and still is beyond the developed world. Pacifism is an easy ideology when you have no enemies realistically capable of defeating you, but in somewhere like D.R. Congo or Somalia (or indeed Europe circa the early 1940s) it fast becomes a fatal weakness.

Pacifism is an easy ideology when you have no enemies realistically capable of defeating you, but in somewhere like D.R. Congo or Somalia (or indeed Europe circa the early 1940s) it fast becomes a fatal weakness.

better make that Europe up to 1950... i honestly can't picture a century in europe (besides the 21th) that didn't have wars raging. Why do you think the christians had so many nuns? There weren't enough men left to go around!

By "close to" I guess you mean that it could have happened but not for at least 30 years after he died.


Hero of Alexandria was that "crazy smart guy." He was in Egypt, but was almost certainly also an Ancient Greek (some used to claim that he was Egyptian of Phoenician, but most say Greek. About 2/3 of those at the Musaeum of Alexandra in Egypt were Greeks after all, and most of the remaineder were Jews.)

It actually wasn't just a child's toy, it was also used to open doors (mostly in temples). The Ancients liked temples whose doors opened automatically when someone sacrificed a burnt offerings outside the doors, since the commoners think that the Gods were pleased with the offering and were opening their doors to their worshipers.

I'm not so sure the Ancient world would have had enough fuel (coal, charcoal, peat, oil, whatever) to make moving locomotives for great distances be very feasible. Their engines probably wouldn't be efficient enough to move very far or very fast (kinda like the first steam ships, which couldn't really move but had all the principles right)
I was taught there also wasn't the economic incentive. Slaves were comparably cheap and the infrastructure to exploit slavery was already in place. There was no driving need to develop the technology further when you had a cheap and already proven source of power, and you'd have had to build the infrastructure to best utilize the new technology from the ground up.

As for the actual thread topic ...

What I'd like Amurite Mage or Great Sage. Grigori Great Sage wouldn't be bad either. Probably be a scribe though, and if lucky, in the Grigori lands. The Kuriotate culture seems like a good place to live ... until the Clan/Illians/Balseraphs show up and enslave everyone, or the Sheaim capture the city and use it to build a Beast of Agares.

Id make a good mage or sage of sorts, though I'd likely end up as a Sheaim Profane lol (assuming the Sheaim adopted Theocracy). A somewhat harsh ruler... guess I know my own shortcomings ;)

Al

Vampiric Elven Paladin of Lugus! :eek: Paradoxical, I know. Praying to Lugus to cure vampirism is good, because I am not planning on living on rat blood for the rest of my (un)life. Time to put that smite evil to good use! Oh and thank Lugus for protection versus the sun. :rolleyes:

Faeryl's personal masseuse.

Just for spite you know she'd keep you down by her feet.

Kael: "But when do I get to move on to the nicer parts?"

Faeryl: "Never! Be happy I let you touch my divine elven skin."

Kael: "But I created you... you came from my mind..."

Faeryl: "Shush slave! More the fool you!"

:lol:

Al

I've always imagined a Malakim Citadel of Light being somewhat like a lighthouse, complete with lighthouse-keeper and and all...I'd like to be one of those.

I've always imagined a Malakim Citadel of Light being somewhat like a lighthouse, complete with lighthouse-keeper and and all...I'd like to be one of those.

Something like panels two and three (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071217), eh? ;)

Transferred to Erebus as my current self? Brewer. In whichever of the following societies that seemed least likely to be beseiged: Elohim, Kuriotates, or Grigori. Because I'm big on not being invaded or otherwise inconvenienced.

But, what would I have turned into had I been raised in each society? This one's a little tougher, but I'll try...
To begin with, know that I'm currently a manufacturing engineer. I also homebrew, garden, triathlon, and Civ as hobbies. FYI.

Amurites: I definitely would have become a mage. Everyone else wants to be, and I'm gifted, so why not? I would probably advance to become a field mage and lose interest in advancement. Then I'd get stuck in that position until I got killed by someone else's stray fireball.

Balseraphs: My mechanical aptitude is noticed, and I'm trained as an engineer. I design passenger rides and equipment for shows. I grow world-weary and sullen by the constant flow of danger and chicanery around me. I cash out my money to retire to a smaller farming town.

Bannor: There is no way that I do NOT end up either jailed, killed, or brainwashed by the state. Period.

Calabim: I decide that since positions in the power structure of society are at a premium, I take a high-risk/high-reward position as a Bloodpet.

Clan of Embers: Something that keeps me away from all the other savages where I can live on my wits and not be punished for them. Scout, perhaps?

Doviello: Similar to Clan. Perhaps I try to become a respected (i.e. useful) beta male by being an advisor or something.

Elohim: I think I end up a seige engine engineer here. Or possibly a brewer.

Grigori: More or less same as Elohim.

Hippus: Almost definitely a brewer and/or bar owner. Got to keep all those horsemen happy.

Illians: Yikes. Dunno. Let's say... herbalist. Just because I got nothing else.

Khazad: Engineer, but not for mining. Do they need other engineers? Armor designer, maybe. Or accountant to keep all that gold itemized.

Kuriotates: Civil engineer.

Lanun: Brewer or distiller. Or ship designer.

Ljosalfar: There really isn't a good place for me in elven society. Is exile an occupation? Let's say... archer.

Luchuirp: Golem assembly engineer. Not golem design. Not golem repair. Golem assembly. And I'd be good at it, too.

Malakim: I got nothing here, too.

Sheiam: I'm pretty sure I end up in building construction here. Can't tell you why, I just see it.

Sidar: Engineer AND brewer AND herbalist AND mage AND giggolo. And maybe I'd even find a way to make them all intermingle in a good way.

Svaltafar: No matter what my occupation is here, I'm pretty sure I end up penniless and exiled. Or executed for someone else's crime. One of the two.

Emperor of all mankind and all the subspecies and their subsidiaries. (C) (R) ^TM

Taxes set at 150%, work fool!

@ Legate Damar: I wonder why you were not a brewer if you were Khazad. Thats the most-beer-dependant-civ after all. :p

Their Units even get XP :eek: from bar-brawls in their breweries. So their breweries really seem to be a famous place to hang out.

Perhaps brewery-engineer. :p

Bannor: There is no way that I do NOT end up either jailed, killed, or brainwashed by the state. Period.

Actually, if you're born and raised there, that's not nearly as certain. People from a different society (especially one from the more developed parts of our world) definitely would risk everything up to death, though.

Also, I don't think they do brainwashing as such unless you really stretch the definition.

I bet the schools teach the children more about how great Bannor and the Order is compared to all the other civs and religions than it teaches actual knowledge. Discipline is probably key, and they probably start their classes with some sort of pledge to the state.

To the extent that the Bannor even have schools. I can hardly picture a survivalist militaristic feudal society locked in constant, epic religious war places much stock in compulsory primary level education (as we think of it) when time could be much better spent teaching the youth to fight, farm, and build things.

Perhaps they are taught to read and write (at least those who have need of such things), but I imagine more advanced forms of education are reserved for the Church, the Orders and those who can afford it (timewise more than anything).

School would hardly be a necessary vehicle for indoctrination when you have an all-encompassing state religion and compulsory military training (not to mention service).

I was thinking a lot like Hitler Jugend. The kids get indoctrined into the military and nationalist thoughtframe.

I'm talking once they get organized. When in hell, and the early time after, its too chaotic and children are probably home schooled so to speak. Boys probably start fighting around age of 11, and girls soon after. Girls being the defenders of the younger children, Boys being the defense of the girls, and the young women the defense of the boys, while the young men defend the young women, and the adult men and women fighting in the frontlines.

I think even after they get organised, not a lot of resources are going to go towards an essentially unnecessary primary education. The Bannor do not need an educated middle class, they need an educated military elite, practical people who can produce all the stuff necessary to keep army and empire running (i.e. farmers and craftsmen) and loads and loads of cannon fodder. Literacy and numeric competence beyond the very, very basic, are luxuries they can ill afford.

I bet the schools teach the children more about how great Bannor and the Order is compared to all the other civs and religions than it teaches actual knowledge.

Ideological indoctrination is not at all incompatible with technical knowledge (see USSR, as long as we aren't talking about social sciences or biology). I imagine that Bannor education is going to be mostly in the hands of the Order ecclesiarchy, but regardless of everything else it is certainly going to have a heavy emphasis on combat and military sciences.

I suppose that on higher levels of development the political elites would also be taught the finer points of Order political ideology and such, but until then it's probably going to be a toss up between traditional home education and church schools.

I can't understand why everyone is so hard on the Bannor. They have a reason for being authoritarian; they just escaped from Hell itself a few centuries ago and if they're not vigilant it will follow them to Erebus and take them back along with the rest of mankind. Hardly a mean cause, I think.

I never said it was a mean cause. I said they were feudal militaristic survivalists locked in eternal religious combat - which they are.

I can't understand why everyone is so hard on the Bannor. They have a reason for being authoritarian; they just escaped from Hell itself a few centuries ago and if they're not vigilant it will follow them to Erebus and take them back along with the rest of mankind. Hardly a mean cause, I think.

Sure, they've got a good reason to be that way, but that doesn't mean I'd like to live there. Heck, Tebryn Arbandi has a good reason to be that way (he was subjected to centuries of torture, and he'll be subject to an eternity if he doesn't end the world), but I'd rather not sign up with the Sheaim.

That's very different. While Tebryn might have every reason to do what he does (though I think he's still being a pathetic weakling about it), the ones who follow him don't have such excuses. The Bannor, meanwhile, are a group, and furthermore a group that fights for its collective continued existence rather than the end of the world and the salvation of one single individual.

Rationally speaking, joining the Bannor makes much more sense than joining the Sheaim, especially if Erebus is being a particularly nasty place in that particular iteration (and hey, it's dark fantasy, isn't it?). Chances of survival are much higher there than on your own (or, you know, with the Sheaim - if for different reasons) as long as you follow the rules.

A road builder until assassinated -- then I'm an angel!

Vampiric werewolf, tied to the child of Eurabatres and Abashi the way Cardith is to Eurabatres. Channeling III and Arcane for sure.

Dreaming big.

If I had any idea how Python and XML work, you know I'd take that werewolf civ floating around and mesh it with the Calabim and Kuriotates for Great Justice.

Call us the Eternal Kingdom of Nym.

A Calabim Vampire lord, or an Amurite Chanter

Unit doesn't exist in-game... But... I know it exists in the Society:

Sidar Historian.

A Midgar citizen, until somebody installs next patch ...

Kuriotate foreign minister

Probably a archivist or libraion in Nimrail or Kwythellar or someother peciful city with a big library where I can quitly serve Oghma in dusty rooms filled with books.:)
Of course, I'd probably find I was being minipulated by Mammon, and go starke raving made, and die a violent death by self immolation.:sad:

A pirate certainly. Sailing and fencing are two hobbies of mine. Just hope I don't end up on Hannah's ship or even worse -- The Dirge.

An archaeologist probably for the Elohim or Amurites

A jr. city-planner in one of the Kuriotate cities, completely oblivious to what might be happening elsewhere in Erebus.

"What ? But this land was never supposed to be zoned as Hell Terrain ! How are we going to build a new hamlet there now ? I knew we shouldn't have gone neutral..."

I'd want to be El-ahrairah. And when the toads boiled forth from hell, we'd turn them back with tooth and claw.

I bet the schools teach the children more about how great Bannor and the Order is compared to all the other civs and religions than it teaches actual knowledge. Discipline is probably key, and they probably start their classes with some sort of pledge to the state.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Estates of Bannor, and to the Empire for which it stands, one nation, under the Gods, with justice and salvation for all.

Archmage, but only if I was Kylorin. I g(e/o)t to kill a god. 'nuff said.

But leaders and heroes are probably off-limits. In that case I'll take my chances as a Calabim Moroi. Or a bloodpet if I can't start as Moroi.

Off topic: I'd like to add Kylorin from AoI as an Amurite (or multi-civ like Decius) leader. The reason I don't play amurites is that their leaders are not interesting. But I haven't got a clue as to how. (Other than copy-paste but I already had to restore some of my XML files . . . )

Well, Kylorin never returned after slaying Mulcarn, leaveing only his children behind. What happened to him at Letum Frigus might be explained in a scenario.

Until, one day, Kylorin strode out of his home. His face had aged many years, terrible purpose shone in his once soft and kindly eyes, and a magnificent blade hung faintly glowing by his side. With no farewells and no apologies, he went forth into the icy wastes and never came back. Soon after, the Thaw began.-Civopedia
(Sorry if I'm ignoring any lore I may have missed)

<Looks down the list of remaining available jobs>

Orc Warren Sanitation Department
Frostling cannon fodder

...errr...Frostling it is then

I'm an engineer, so - Luichirp it is, then. Let's make these golems!

I am a low level bureaucrat in RL and a Libertarian politically (go figure), so I would probably be a grigory minister. Maybe get my own city-state one day ;) ... Because I have issues with big government, big business and big religion, my little city would be fairly chaotic; I would possibly be conquered soon after by some other empire...

In fantasy terms I would end up a Druid of some empire (in this world they are all pretty much the same, someone above you tells you what to do and if you don't do it you loose life, liberty, etc) and keep to myself fighting only when my area/interests are in danger. To keep your freedom you would have to be extremely strong and useful.

Sidar Nightwatch.
Do Fall Further civs count? Then I'm a Kahdi Follower!

I... have a chain of Public Baths.

based on my fantasy hopes which work with my real life skills an amurite mage :D or some type of historian :) for the grigori since I am tired of religion:lol:. :rolleyes:

A Commander of Malakim

Hmm, perhaps I'd race chariots in the Hippus hippodrome.

I would become an archmage, go insane from the mind magic use, fuse my mind into a badger, rule the badger kingdom with an IRON FIST!

A Freak in Belseraph society.

Kraken. Definitely Kraken. I DEMAND Kraken! :goodjob:

Kraken. Definitely Kraken. I DEMAND Kraken! :goodjob:

Fried, in marinara sauce, or sashimi-style? :D

I'd probably worship the One as a priest. Maybe I'd be an Elohim or Bannor. Although seeing as something I read about the Bannor, I'd probably shy away from them.

I'd definitely be a Balor. :devil:

Amurites: A specialist mage in body and life mana (no battles for me):D

Blaserelphs: Perpentach's favoured entertainer (im a funny guy)

Bannor: Dead most likely (for refusing to take up arms) :(

Calabim: A low ranking vampire lord (kissing enough ass to stay safe) ;)

Clan: A goblin worker preferably in a place I wont get stepped on :blush:

Doviello: I would be Denataro(sp?) or his apprentice if heroes are off limits

Elohim: A philosopher or a keeper of the sacred places

Grigori: A member of the Ordine Medicos(sp?)

Hippus: A trader, possibly an agent of sorts for mercenaries

Illians: Auric, He's in my head i can feel him!!!!!! :crazyeye:

Infernal: An imp (one day a balor will go too far and i will blow his head off with a fireball)

Khazad: A mad alchemist trying to come up with new forms of blasting powder

Kuriotates: A sage lost in the epic library of Kwythellar

Lanun: A barman (everyone knows how much alcohol pirates buy) ;)

Ljosalfar: An archer (im not bad with a bow)

Luchuirp: An enchanter giving that special spark to the golems

Malakim: A priest of Lugus (Wisdom is the only thing I preach)

Mercurians: The angel of my Bannor self above

Sheaim: A Scientist/dimensional mage summoning creatures from hell and building planar gates

Sidar: An adept until i get to level 4 exp. then i cast wane and become a shade free to pursue my interests for eternity

Fall Further Civs

Dural: A university professor

Chislev: A healer

Archos: Just a lowly villlager

Mazatl: A shaper

Cualli: Priest of aggrunon(sp?)

Khadi: Follower

Austrin: A supplies store owner (all travellers need supplies)

Doviello: I would be Denataro(sp?) or his apprentice if heroes are off limits
There is not "a" between the "n" and the "t:" Dentaro.

Grigori: A member of the Ordine Medicos(sp?)
That is right as far as the civilopedia says, although I do find it odd that the "Order" in in the ablative instead of nominative case and "Doctors" in the accusative instead of genative case if this is supposed to be Latin. In general anything said to be Patrian seems is actually Latin, but it may be that the words derived from Patrian have lost their proper inflection in the Grigori Vernacular.

Infernal: An imp (one day a balor will go too far and i will blow his head off with a fireball)Considering that this won't destroy him, or even injure him most likely, this would be most unwise.


Ljosalfar: An archer (im not bad with a bow)By even standards you are.

Malakim: A priest of Lugus (Wisdom is the only thing I preach)

Lugus is not the god of Wisdom. Wisdom is Sirona's sphere. Lugus is Truth and introspection.

They are close allies though.

Sidar: An adept until i get to level 4 exp. then i cast wane and become a shade free to pursue my interests for eternity

Shades require level 6, not 4.

I'd probably have a hand in building the prototype clockwork golem. Though of course it wasn't MY fault when it exploded.

Let's see....if I could pick anyone at all, it would probably be Falamar. He's awesome. :D
I also keep thinking an adventurer / mercenary for the Grigori.
Also an elvish marksmen / archer.
Realistically, I'd probably be an adept or a sage.
Would love to be Perpentach though. :crazyeye:

I could see myself being a Harlequin for the Balseraph.

Unorthadox, good with animals, a bit heavy on the make-up, a little bit of magical skill but never used for constructive purposes. When I'm not busy wandering the forests capturing animals or exploring lairs, I wonder around Jubilee mutating random folk for funzies. As for "Charm Person", well... I could see that being very useful when a girl is about. And if I get that Druid promotion... Dominate... I think politeness forces me to leave those thoughts there :lol:

I still haven't posted here yet, have I?
I can see myself as a Sidar scholar. I'm pretty smart, but like to do thing at my own pace, and "eternity" leaves me plenty of time to do so.

Balseraph courtesan.

hehe nice.

I'd be an amurite mage, because i strive for knowledge, even if it's considered "dark"

I've already posted in this thread, but after reading one of the posts above (by Azure-Dreamer) I decided to expand my statement.

Amurites: a janitor in the Cave of Ancestors! :crazyeye:

Balseraphs: a FREAK! No, just kidding. Probably a caretaker of the Grand Menagerie.

Bannor: a quartermaster

Calabim: a cook :p

Clan of Embers: hm... I have a strange feeling that no matter what I choose I'd be Rantine's training dummy, anyway

Doviello: a Beastman?

Elohim: Corlindale's student

Grigori: an Adventurer

Hippus: a Mounted Merc

Illians: a Frostling!

Infernal: I'd probably be in charge of feeding Beasts of Agares

Khazad: Bwaha! Gold! Gold! Goooooold!... A banker.

Kuriotates: a guy in charge of Awakening the Ancients

Lanun: a carpenter. Someone has to repair the bloody ships!

Ljosalfar: a sage

Luchuirp: I'd be in charge of entertaining the golems. Yes, I know that's stupid. But the Luchuirp are a stupid civ.

Malakim: a nomad

Mercurians: Dead. For betraying those uptight self-righteous celestial idiots!

Sheaim: I'd be in charge of the Elegies

Sidar: a Divided Soul

Personally I would like to be a Luchuirp craftsman, perhaps a golem maker, or maybe just an architect.

Would be cool to make semi-magical aqueducts, lifts, huge buildings that seem to defy gravity like skyscrapers.

I want to be the great person MagisterCultuum!
(Do I get points for sucking up? =D)

Brown hair, likes stasis and keeping the status quo. Also likes dependability and order. Loves a cold breeze and snowfall. Humidity also makes my skin itch and I dislike any temperatures over 25 celsius. Can I be anything else than an Illian?