Well the eagles just signed Asante Samuels.

...and the Patriots save a lot of money by not resigning him. We're better off spending that money elsewhere (hopefully on the defense, but perhaps on a WR).

The Skins not signing anyone...I like this.

...and the Patriots save a lot of money by not resigning him. We're better off spending that money elsewhere (hopefully on the defense, but perhaps on a WR).

No...Asante was a top 5 corner. What is your corner depth now? Randall Gay, Chad Scott and some other retreads.

...and the Patriots save a lot of money by not resigning him. We're better off spending that money elsewhere (hopefully on the defense, but perhaps on a WR).

I strongly disagree here.

Although Samuel is very, very overrated, he was the best DB the Patriots had. And no one else was close. Now NE's depth in the secondary is non-existant.


Other news: Rams' kicker Jeff Wilkins retires... :(
Rams sign Josh Brown to replace him.


Isaac Bruce signs with the 49ers. Although Bruce is old, I still think this is a good move for the 49ers, 'cause Bruce is miles better than anyone the 49ers had last year.

Looks like the Browns have landed two studs for their 3-4 defensive line. Getting Corey Williams for a 2nd rounder and POSSIBLY NT Shaun Rogers for a 3rd and CB Leigh Bodden. I say possibly on Shaun Rogers because the reports are that the earlier deal between the Bungles and Lions...well got bungled of course, it violated Cap Rules. Either way, one AFCN team is going to get one heckuva player.

Looks like the Browns have landed two studs for their 3-4 defensive line. Getting Corey Williams for a 2nd rounder and POSSIBLY NT Shaun Rogers for a 3rd and CB Leigh Bodden.

Shaun Rogers is a locker room cancer--not what an up and coming team like Cleveland needs.

He is also still overweight and underperforming, if I remember right. There's a reason Detroit broke the bank for Corey Redding last year.

Oh, and Moss is still unsigned. I wonder if people in New England are getting nervous yet :mischief:

Considering where he is coming from that needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The Lions are one of the most idiotic organizations in the league right now, Let's face it we all know they are seriously considering drafting Limas Sweed with the 15th overall pick in this years draft.

A change of scenery, especially to the climate that has been created in Cleveland, can do wonders for a player.

He is also still overweight and underperforming, if I remember right. There's a reason Detroit broke the bank for Corey Redding last year.

Oh, and Moss is still unsigned. I wonder if people in New England are getting nervous yet :mischief:

Redding performed brilliantly this year, netting one whole sack. Rogers though, even with his underperforming, is still a two-time pro-bowler who netted 7 sacks in a "down" year. His talent is undeniable.

Edit: And he must have at least given a decent effort this past season, as he ran an interception back 66-yards for a TD :eek: The dudes like 350 lbs, that's just amazing.

The Panthers FINALLY rid themselves of some dead weight.....Dan Morgan (2 years too late), and David Carr.

We also decided we needed to have someone on our roster who could actually catch the damn ball (other than Smith) when it's thrown to 'em, the Moose! Now if he can only keep his aging body healthy....

I hated to see Deshaun Foster leave, he is actually a really good running back when he wants to be....and K. Jenkins has been traded for draft picks, I hope we can find someone to fill this now gaping hole in the defensive line.

Rogers though, even with his underperforming, is still a two-time pro-bowler who netted 7 sacks in a "down" year. His talent is undeniable.


It's the attitude, not the talent thats in question. When coach M came to town Rogers was all" I don't need spring ball, or weight room or film, ect.... "and the coach was like "hello, we were 3-13 last year, no one's got room to say I can't improve" Rogers got hurt and led a revolt to not talk to reporters in the locker room.

So it's as Azale says--he's overweight, underperforming and doesn't see the need to try to improve. BTW I live in Detroit I have seen it all firsthand.

Redding performed brilliantly this year, netting one whole sack. Rogers though, even with his underperforming, is still a two-time pro-bowler who netted 7 sacks in a "down" year. His talent is undeniable.

Edit: And he must have at least given a decent effort this past season, as he ran an interception back 66-yards for a TD :eek: The dudes like 350 lbs, that's just amazing.

Redding did not deserve the monster contract he got last year, but the Lions were desperate to keep him because they knew they could not count on Rodgers.

You can be enthusiastic, and really...Rodgers for Bodden & a 3rd rounder is a fairly good deal...but I'm just saying that I'm not expecting much more than a space eater.

Btw, whats the latest news on Donte' Stallworth in Cleveland?

The Panthers FINALLY rid themselves of some dead weight.....Dan Morgan (2 years too late), and David Carr.

We also decided we needed to have someone on our roster who could actually catch the damn ball (other than Smith) when it's thrown to 'em, the Moose! Now if he can only keep his aging body healthy....

I hated to see Deshaun Foster leave, he is actually a really good running back when he wants to be....and K. Jenkins has been traded for draft picks, I hope we can find someone to fill this now gaping hole in the defensive line.

I thought Jordan Carstens was good? He was in '06 anyway, I have to admit I don't remember how he did last year.

Redding did not deserve the monster contract he got last year, but the Lions were desperate to keep him because they knew they could not count on Rodgers.

You can be enthusiastic, and really...Rodgers for Bodden & a 3rd rounder is a fairly good deal...but I'm just saying that I'm not expecting much more than a space eater.

Btw, whats the latest news on Donte' Stallworth in Cleveland?

Space-eater huh? That's exactly what we are looking for, a guy that can stuff the run and command a double team.

Stallworth stayed overnight in Cleveland but is leaving this afternoon for Oakland. Drew Carter of the Panthers is coming in tomorrow. He's a local boy (Solon), so there is a good chance he signs here. In addition 2-3 other players are expected to be visiting Cleveland today.

Edit: It looks like they are Lance Briggs, Clark Haggans, and Nick Griesen.

He is also still overweight and underperforming, if I remember right. There's a reason Detroit broke the bank for Corey Redding last year.

Oh, and Moss is still unsigned. I wonder if people in New England are getting nervous yet :mischief:

Meh. We don't need him back. He obviously makes our offense better, but he is not a necessary piece of the puzzle. In fact, if a big contract with him ties up money that should go to shoring up our ancient D, I'd rather he not come back.

Browns sign Donte Stallworth.

Apparently the Jags and the Cowboys are making the biggest pushes for Moss...I am speechless.

Thanks to the total collapse of the Cincinnnati bengals franchise, I have hereby renounced my fanhood, and have declared myself an NFL free agent.

Thanks to the total collapse of the Cincinnnati bengals franchise, I have hereby renounced my fanhood, and have declared myself an NFL free agent.

A true Bungle fan would be sending this from his cell after his lastest run in with the law. :p

Thanks to the total collapse of the Cincinnnati bengals franchise, I have hereby renounced my fanhood, and have declared myself an NFL free agent.

You're moving to Washington. Just sayin'.

You're moving to Washington. Just sayin'.

I've thought about adopting the Redskins, like I did with the Nationals...but something about them bugs me. Maybe its that ugly color scheme. Or the stupid fans who dress as pigs. Or the fact that tickets are a zillion dollars. Or your weirdo owner, and crappy QB. I don't see it happening.

I've thought about adopting the Redskins, like I did with the Nationals...but something about them bugs me. Maybe its that ugly color scheme. Or the stupid fans who dress as pigs. Or the fact that tickets are a zillion dollars. Or your weirdo owner, and crappy QB. I don't see it happening.

Ugly Color Scheme - Agreed.
Stupid Fans - No, it's traditional and so rare.
Tickets - True.
Owner - True.
QB - Not true, he's developing.

Bears resign briggs :)

I thought Jordan Carstens was good? He was in '06 anyway, I have to admit I don't remember how he did last year.

Jordan Carstens filled in very nicely for Jenkins in 2005, in fact our D-line was as good with him as it was with Jenkins! Sometime in mid-2006 season, he started having chest pains and was diagnosed w/ a blood clot on (or in?) his lungs. He did not play the rest of the year. In 2007 he did not pass his physicals and was cut. My only hope is that he is doing okay now, it was pretty serious there for awhile (his health condition) and I haven't heard anything about him.

I've thought about adopting the Redskins, like I did with the Nationals...but something about them bugs me. Maybe its that ugly color scheme. Or the stupid fans who dress as pigs. Or the fact that tickets are a zillion dollars. Or your weirdo owner, and crappy QB. I don't see it happening.

You have the Redskins-bashing ability of a Cowboys fan. You also have the intelligence and crazy good looks of most Cowboys fans, so you would fit right in :goodjob:

Of course, you know my stance on team switching. I think it should only be to teams that are (record wise) worse than your current team. I suggested Miami at the time and still do.


Stroud traded to Bills, Faneca signed by Jets, Ferguson traded to Dolphins, Jeff Faine signs big deal with Buccaneers

A true Bungle fan would be sending this from his cell after his lastest run in with the law. :p

So very true...

Thanks to the total collapse of the Cincinnnati bengals franchise, I have hereby renounced my fanhood, and have declared myself an NFL free agent.

It's a BAD time to be a Ravens and bungle fan (though isn't it always a bad time to be a bungle fan...).

It's simply amazing the ineptitude of the Bungles franchise. I honestly feel a little bad for them.

RedFusion, your a Browns fan. Or have you forgotten that you still MISSED the playoffs by losing to the Bengals? :p

Or the Ernest Byner fumble? Or The Drive? Or losing your franchise for nearly a decade and watching the franchise that left win a Superbowl? Or Tim Couch? Courtney Brown? William Green? Gerard Warren? Staph infections? Spergon Wynn? Blowing a 17 point lead against Pittsburgh in the 2003 playoffs? Kelly Holcomb? Giving a first rounder for a QB who might never play for you?

"We didn't start the fire..."

RedFusion, your a Browns fan. Or have you forgotten that you still MISSED the playoffs by losing to the Bengals? :p

Or the Ernest Byner fumble? Or The Drive? Or losing your franchise for nearly a decade and watching the franchise that left win a Superbowl? Or Tim Couch? Courtney Brown? William Green? Gerard Warren? Staph infections? Spergon Wynn? Blowing a 17 point lead against Pittsburgh in the 2003 playoffs? Kelly Holcomb? Giving a first rounder for a QB who might never play for you?

"We didn't start the fire..."

It wasn't just the Bengals loss that kept us from the playoffs, you could point to any of the other 5 losses. The Raiders loss is one that definitely sticks out in my mind as one we'd like back.

Despite all those bad times recently, we are STILL an EIGHT time league champion. With 4 AAFC championships and 4 NFL Championships. Compared to the Bungles...who have never won anything....EVER.

It's time for Cleveland to stop living in the past, with bitter memories of championships barely within grasp but then lost. It's time for Cleveland to say "YES WE CAN," and to think of the championships to come in the near future. And there will be championships, that much I promise you. Be it in Football, Baseball, and Basketball.

Yea, and the Eagles are champions too...sorry, I don't count the AAFC or the AFL or the old NFL as part of THIS era :p

I see your point, but when it comes to comparing NFL-era franchises, the Bengals and Browns are about the same with perhaps a slight edge given to the Bengals for at least losing in the Superbowl twice and losing them to Joe Montana.

As for last year...well, that 5th one was a little more important. The Browns knew that if they won they would be in...and they lost, and looked pretty bad too. I know, the weather, bla bla, but perhaps a little of that choking past seeped in.

I'm just saying, the pot calling the kettle black is going on here ;)

Despite all those bad times recently, we are STILL an EIGHT time league champion. With 4 AAFC championships and 4 NFL Championships. Compared to the Bungles...who have never won anything....EVER.


Those are the ravens championships now.

It's simply amazing the ineptitude of the Bungles franchise. I honestly feel a little bad for them.

It really is. I was a good solider. I bought a Jeff Blake jersey. I invested some of my allowance in Ki-Janna Carter rookie cards. I drank the Carl Pickens Kool-Aid. I smelled danger when we drafted Akili Smith, but I didn't jump ship.

Then, it all paid off. We had Carson Palmer. We had a sick, entertaining offense, and a D that forced turnovers. Then that fateful injury, the criminals, and now the rebuilding.

Seriously, how can any Bengals fan expect to compete this coming season? We just lost Justin Smith, we have nobody playing linebacker who could sniff a rating about 83 in Madden, our stud WR wants out, and we don't have any non-injured tailbacks. We aren't going to get better soon...we're going to suck for at least two more years.

Enough. As if suffering from Jose effing Mesa, the Atlanta Effing Braves, last season's NBA finals (and all of Cavs history pre-Lebron), and the epic suckitude of the Blue Jackets...enough. I can't take any more misery from my pro football team.

I'm debating between Miami, Jacksonville, Carolina and Phoenix.

You have Carson Palmer...that's an equalizer. Peyton Manning had a rough year about the same point in his career that Palmer did, then it all fell into place for him. I would give the Bengals another year.

Apparently Moss and Culpepper want to reunite. Yea, I wonder what team will take on that duo.

@downtown - You realize that you're well equipped to become a Cardinals fan, don't you? :mischief:

I'm debating between Miami, Jacksonville, Carolina and Phoenix.

What about St. Louis?
This forum could use another Rams fan... :)

The Rams are just like your Bengals, just without the criminal problems (and unfortunately also without an offensive line), so it'd be a really familiar environment with big-time players on offense and a seriously leaky defense...

Downtown, maybe they were like my eagles, they just wanted to play for a better draft pick this year? You never know who will be the next maurice jones drew, or adrain peterson.... it could be YOU!

Those are the ravens championships now.

Not according to the NFL. When the Ravens left Cleveland, they left all the history with them, that was the deal. Those are our championships and NO ONE can take that away. Otto Graham and Jim Brown will always be Cleveland Browns.

Yea, and the Eagles are champions too...sorry, I don't count the AAFC or the AFL or the old NFL as part of THIS era :p

I see your point, but when it comes to comparing NFL-era franchises, the Bengals and Browns are about the same with perhaps a slight edge given to the Bengals for at least losing in the Superbowl twice and losing them to Joe Montana.

As for last year...well, that 5th one was a little more important. The Browns knew that if they won they would be in...and they lost, and looked pretty bad too. I know, the weather, bla bla, but perhaps a little of that choking past seeped in.

I'm just saying, the pot calling the kettle black is going on here ;)

Wow, that's so arbitrary! It's like saying that none of Super Bowls won before the salary cap was instituted count because they weren't played in the "modern era".

Seriously, I just invite you to go back and look at how amazing those Browns teams of the 50's and 60's were. It is simply astounding. For example, during their six first six seasons in the NFL (after the Browns jumped from the AAFC) the Browns went to the championship game SIX times, winning it 3. Those count, no matter what you say.

It really is. I was a good solider. I bought a Jeff Blake jersey. I invested some of my allowance in Ki-Janna Carter rookie cards. I drank the Carl Pickens Kool-Aid. I smelled danger when we drafted Akili Smith, but I didn't jump ship.

Then, it all paid off. We had Carson Palmer. We had a sick, entertaining offense, and a D that forced turnovers. Then that fateful injury, the criminals, and now the rebuilding.

Seriously, how can any Bengals fan expect to compete this coming season? We just lost Justin Smith, we have nobody playing linebacker who could sniff a rating about 83 in Madden, our stud WR wants out, and we don't have any non-injured tailbacks. We aren't going to get better soon...we're going to suck for at least two more years.

Enough. As if suffering from Jose effing Mesa, the Atlanta Effing Braves, last season's NBA finals (and all of Cavs history pre-Lebron), and the epic suckitude of the Blue Jackets...enough. I can't take any more misery from my pro football team.

I'm debating between Miami, Jacksonville, Carolina and Phoenix.


Come on over to the Dolphins/Panthers fan club, we need

you :goodjob: :cool: .

I'm going to start a new thread for this, where you can all make your cases for your team.

Sorry to threadjack

Oh, and Moss is still unsigned. I wonder if people in New England are getting nervous yet :mischief:

Not at all. :D

The bungles are at it again. The supposed deal for Dwayne Robertson for a 4th and 5th fell through. Apparently it was a money thing again, just like with the Shaun Rogers deal.

It really is. I was a good solider. I bought a Jeff Blake jersey. I invested some of my allowance in Ki-Janna Carter rookie cards.



You had a "shake and Blake" jersey? I was living just over the river in Kentucky during those days. Remember my wife saying it was a mistake to draft Ki-Janna Carter. One thing I do remember was no matter how much the fans b*tched about the Brown family they still went to games and backed their team

Randall Gay to the Saints.

The exodus from the Pats backfield continues. Rotowire calls him another system DB and considers it an overpayment (17.6 mil/4 years) and I pretty much agree with them.

Asante had more inherent skills but he is also a little overrated; he is too small. Unfortunately many will never forgive him for missing an INT in the superbowl that probably would have been ruled out of bounds anyway.

Randy Moss resigns with the Patriots for 3 years and 27 million dollars...

Apparently it's happened at last - Favre is retiring according to both Fox
and ESPN.

:cry: :cry:

I wanted him to come back, because I think he blows now.

Shutup Cubsfan, you know your happy :p Aaron Rodgers is not a scrub, but he is apparently injury prone.

Warren Sapp retires

:cry: :cry:

I wanted him to come back, because I think he blows now.


You're just jealous... :lol: Favre on a mediocre day was still way better than any other QB in the NFC north this past season (and many of the seasons before that)...

I'm kinda surprised we resigned Moss, now lets get to work on that D.

You're just jealous... :lol: Favre on a mediocre day was still way better than any other QB in the NFC north this past season (and many of the seasons before that)...

Not exactly something to brag about:) The north has probably hasn't had an even passable QB in I don't know how long. I don't know if I want to throw culpepper in the mix because he wasn't exactly consistant. Farve was better than Krenzel, Jim Miller, Tavarious Jackson, Brooks Bollinger, Joey Harrington, and Mike McMahon? So were basically every other QB in the league hahaha

Shutup Cubsfan, you know your happy :p Aaron Rodgers is not a scrub, but he is apparently injury prone.

Am not he's been washed up for a good seventeen years or so.

:cry: :cry:

I wanted him to come back, because I think he blows now.

Yep, that season last year. Just another one of 10 or so fluke seasons by Favre.

I know. He was great until a few years ago. I personally think last year was just a fluke. I don't think he would of been very good this year. PlusI think Rodgers will one day be good.

Pats sign Tank Williams.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1078161&srvc=home&position=active

Any Vikings fans know anything about this guy? Any good? Article says he is a "heavy hitter."

Pats sign Tank Williams.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1078161&srvc=home&position=active

Any Vikings fans know anything about this guy? Any good? Article says he is a "heavy hitter."

As a Vike fan I can say he was a member of our 32nd ranked pass defense--does that cheer you up?

As a Vike fan I can say he was a member of our 32nd ranked pass defense--does that cheer you up?

Ouch, didn't know that. Maybe a different system will suit him better.

To add onto that I don't think I remember him starting one game up here.

To add onto that I don't think I remember him starting one game up here.

he came back from a major injury (broken kneecap) and played eleven games according to the article...

As a Vike fan I can say he was a member of our 32nd ranked pass defense--does that cheer you up?

But maybe he was the guy who kept them up in 32nd place... :mischief:

Yep, that season last year. Just another one of 10 or so fluke seasons by Favre.

This sums up my opinoin on Favre. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3281535

JaMarcus Russell is rumored to weigh about 300 lbs now! The Raiders have got to be thrilled with their 300 lbs, 68 million dollar quarterback right now:p.

Link (http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4154)

Well, Russell's decision making has been questioned by quite a few people, which makes
him a good fit with the Al Davis of the past 3 years or so.

When are people going to learn that number one overall picks in football should only be used as trade's? Most of the time your salvation lies in quantity of picks, or the later rounds.

When are people going to learn that number one overall picks in football should only be used as trade's? Most of the time your salvation lies in quantity of picks, or the later rounds.

Maybe, but there's always the chance that you'll get lucky like the Rams in 1997 (Orlando Pace) or the Colts in 1998 (Peyton Manning).

Maybe no 1. overall picks aren't the one true way to building a Super Bowl champion, but if you pick the right player, you sure can go a long way.

That said, after Manning none of them seem to have worked out very well (except perhaps Eli, but he still has a lot to prove)...

When are people going to learn that number one overall picks in football should only be used as trade's? Most of the time your salvation lies in quantity of picks, or the later rounds.

Actually it has gotten to the the point that whoever has #1 is going to be
stuck with it, as no one seems want to trade up for #1 anymore. As much
for cost reasons as anything else.

That said, after Manning none of them seem to have worked out very well (except perhaps Eli, but he still has a lot to prove)...

Eli isn't a very good QB, the Giants won the title in spit of him, not because. But to say that basically only Peyton has worked out over the past decade as a number one is just not true. I would point to Carson Palmer and Mario Williams as perfect examples of this. Mario Williams in his second year racked up 14.5 sacks, that's the kind of numbers you expect from a number one pick at DE. Carson Palmer, if I really need to explain, has been to multiple Pro Bowls, definitely a successful number one pick.

Eli isn't a very good QB, the Giants won the title in spit of him, not because. But to say that basically only Peyton has worked out over the past decade as a number one is just not true. I would point to Carson Palmer and Mario Williams as perfect examples of this. Mario Williams in his second year racked up 14.5 sacks, that's the kind of numbers you expect from a number one pick at DE. Carson Palmer, if I really need to explain, has been to multiple Pro Bowls, definitely a successful number one pick.


Acutally I said:
building a Super Bowl champion

Eli has won a Super Bowl. Palmer and Williams have not. I am not saying Eli is better than either of them, but when teams are drafting college players, isn't the goal to build a Super Bowl winner?
So, in that sense Eli is a better pick than Palmer or Williams (so far!)...

And RedFusion, Eli may not be a very good QB, but the Giants definately did not win a Super Bowl in spite of him...
He was a key player in their playoff run.
In the playoffs, he threw for 854 yards, 6 TDs and 1 INT on 60.5% completion percentage. Now I may be missing something here, but those numbers seem pretty solid to me.

Acutally I said:


Eli has won a Super Bowl. Palmer and Williams have not. I am not saying Eli is better than either of them, but when teams are drafting college players, isn't the goal to build a Super Bowl winner?
So, in that sense Eli is a better pick than Palmer or Williams (so far!)...

And RedFusion, Eli may not be a very good QB, but the Giants definately did not win a Super Bowl in spite of him...
He was a key player in their playoff run.
In the playoffs, he threw for 854 yards, 6 TDs and 1 INT on 60.5% completion percentage. Now I may be missing something here, but those numbers seem pretty solid to me.

The goal isn't always to build a Super Bowl winner, sometimes the owner just wants to bring in a player that will sell tickets, just look at Michael Vick.

Most of the reason I said in spite of Eli was his sometimes putrid perfomances during the season. For example, 7 out of the 16 regular season games, he had a passer rating BELOW 70! Including gems of 32.2 and 33.8. But you are right in saying that it's wrong to say they won it "in spite" of him. I spoke too strongly there.

One other consideration you have to keep in mind is that 4 of the past 10 number one picks were by franchises in their infancy. This plays a much different role in the thought process of choosing a number one pick. Cleveland and Houston both went QB with the pick to get their 'face' for the franchise. It was plenty obvious that they wouldn't be going to the Super Bowl for at 5+ years for both those franchises. I was in Cleveland for those first few years of building and while sure, some of the fans talked about Tim 'leading us to the Super Bowl.' It was pretty obvious that the team just wanted to make it to competitiveness within 3-4 years with him under center. So it's completely unfair to say that the goal is exclusively to win a Super Bowl. Sometimes its just getting back to competitiveness (which would be a good argument for Carson Palmer, whose led the lowly Bungles to the playoffs and many 8-8 records).

Raiders get DeAngelo Hall from the Falcons...

70 million dollar deal for an overrated corner, with attitude issues... :rolleyes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/20/raiders.hall.ap/index.html

Seems like the Raiders are desperately trying to become the new Redskins with all those big money deals for solid-but-not-spectacular players...

Hall & Asomugha (and Washington) is a really really good cornerback group though. Who knows how long Asomugha will stand being underpaid and playing in tandem with that loudmouth, Hall.

Especially if Hall is the #1 corner.

I don't think I've ever wathced a flacons game, they played here in the twin cities last year and almsot got blacked out. All I know is that he ran a pretty fast 40 time in combine. That's gotta count for something right?

Hall is a fairly good corner, and he was a top 10 corner two years ago. He is still young but if you have ATTITUDE problems and your going to THESE Raiders, that will probably not mesh well.

Btw, does anyone want to try the Mock Draft again? :D

The Bengals have cut Chris Henry after another arrest.
About half a dozen arrests too late, I guess...

someone else will pick him up, he should be cheap.

Maybe in 2009, he certainly won't be playing this season after the Commish suspends him again.

Well, Russell's decision making has been questioned by quite a few people, which makes
him a good fit with the Al Davis of the past 3 years or so.

Only the past 3 years or so?

What will the Dolphins do with the #1 pick :scan: :scan: ?

If they can't manage to swing a deal to get out of the top spot, they will definitely take Jake Long. As it stands right now, Vernon Carey is the only starting caliber offensive tackle on their roster.

Only the past 3 years or so?

I was being charitable. It's probably more like 6 (i.e. since the Super Bowl run).

If they can't manage to swing a deal to get out of the top spot, they will definitely take Jake Long. As it stands right now, Vernon Carey is the only starting caliber offensive tackle on their roster.

I would probably go for him or the other Long, not M.Ryan though. :scan:

Ryan is not going to go with the top pick, he'll actually probably fall down to Ravens at 8 or possibly might get nabbed at 5 if the Chiefs can find a trade partner. It seems as though the Falcons are targeting a QB later in the draft, particularly round two where they have 3 picks. It's probably the best strategy especially if they aren't in love with any of the top 4 guys (I don't blame them).

Mike Vick playing prison ball

Ran for 115 yards
42% completion rate
59.1 QB rating
2 picks

NFL scout said he looked in mid season form :mischief:

Is that a serious post or a joke.

Is that a serious post or a joke.

he is playing prison ball--the stats were a joke--59.1 QB rating & 2 picks= mid season form for Vick ;)

Mike Vick playing prison ball

Ran for 115 yards
42% completion rate
59.1 QB rating
2 picks

NFL scout said he looked in mid season form :mischief:

:lol:

At any rate:

link (http://www.ajc.com/hawks/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/04/07/Vick_0408.html)

Vick's prison football play in doubt
Leavenworth official says Falcons QB isn't on team

By MARK DAVIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/07/08

The odds that Michael Vick recently played football for a federal prison team are about as good as the chances of escaping Alcatraz, federal prisons officials say.

Sure, the former Atlanta Falcons quarterback might have tossed the ball around with a few inmates at the Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary Camp, officials said Monday. But he didn't become an inmate at the Kansas facility in time to suit up for the prison football season.

Their assessment contradicts published reports that Vick played for teams in Kansas, staying in shape by tossing the ball.

Vick, convicted of federal dogfighting charges in December, arrived at the minimum-security prison in January, said Tracy Billingsley, a spokesperson for the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. He was too late for the football season, which includes only a handful of games.

"They only play [football] in the fall," she said.

Falcons owner Arthur Blank remembered things differently. Blank said he'd exchanged letters with his onetime star, who is serving a 23-month sentence. In an interview with the New York Daily News, Blank said Vick is " staying in shape" the best way he knows how - by playing prison football.

Vick "played quarterback for both sides," Blank said.

Well? Did he or didn't he?

Through a spokesperson, Blank declined an AJC interview request.

A spokesman at Leavenworth's U.S. Penitentiary, adjacent to the minimum-security facility where Vick is incarcerated, sounded incredulous. "I don't know what you're talking about," spokesman Kevin Johnson said.

Billingsley offered a possible explanation. "It's not unheard-of for inmates to toss around a football," she said. "But there just are no games until the fall."

The games aren't the smash-face affairs to which Vick is accustomed, either. "Our institutes only play flag football," she said.

If Vick wants to play football, that's fine, said John Goodwin, who oversees animal-fighting issues for the Humane Society of the United States. The organization called for Vick's incarceration when it learned he had pleaded guilty to dogfighting.

"We'd much rather see a convicted dog-fighter playing in a prison yard than in front of tens of thousands of fans," he said.

Vick isn't likely to play in front of thousands for at least a couple of years, if ever. His projected release date is July 20, 2009.

–Staff writers Ken Sugiura and Chris Vivlamore contributed to this article.

You know, since you were all waiting with bated breath. :mischief:

any speculation as to where "Ocho Cinco" will end up?

any speculation as to where "Ocho Cinco" will end up?

The Redskins, of course. I'm sure Dan Snyder would love to open that fat checkbook of his after letting it collect cobwebs this winter.

whoever lands him should be happy to get him. He has been, and would continue to be a pro-bowl wide-out, no matter what he does "showing off". Frankly, I find his antics entertaining, and isn't that what he is paid for?, to be entertaining? Ofcourse, he gets paid to be an great talent at reciever, but ultimately sports are entertainment, and he definitely provides it! I would LOVE to see him come to the Panthers, 'cuz frankly I am getting bored with "smash mouth" football under the coach Fox system.

any speculation as to where "Ocho Cinco" will end up?

They should supsend him ala Keyshawn for the first 15 games ( the Bengels have done nothing wrong so he has no reason not to show up for camp ) then the last week trade him to Miami and let him spend the next 3 years catching passes from Beck. That way he loses a years salary then spends the rest of his career playing for the worst team!

whoever lands him should be happy to get him. He has been, and would continue to be a pro-bowl wide-out, no matter what he does "showing off". Frankly, I find his antics entertaining, and isn't that what he is paid for?, to be entertaining? Ofcourse, he gets paid to be an great talent at reciever, but ultimately sports are entertainment, and he definitely provides it! I would LOVE to see him come to the Panthers, 'cuz frankly I am getting bored with "smash mouth" football under the coach Fox system.

Our Carolina boys haven't been 'smash mouthing' in the last couple of years, more like on the receiving end of the smashes.

They should supsend him ala Keyshawn for the first 15 games ( the Bengels have done nothing wrong so he has no reason not to show up for camp ) then the last week trade him to Miami and let him spend the next 3 years catching passes from Beck. That way he loses a years salary then spends the rest of his career playing for the worst team!


Come on now, the Dolphins will perk up the next couple of years I think.

Beck is not that bad, but without ANY OL it is quite a mission to be the
Miami QB.

Our Carolina boys haven't been 'smash mouthing' in the last couple of years, more like on the receiving end of the smashes.

I KNOW! Thats why I am so fed up...if only we could draft a Stephen Davis caliber back, then we could do some more "smashin"! Or go the other way and get some outstanding wide-out talent (Ocho Cinco for instance), that way it won't matter how ugly Delhomme throws,Smith or Johnson could catch it! :goodjob:

any speculation as to where "Ocho Cinco" will end up?


Depends on what happens with Housmandzadeh, I guess.
I don't think the Bengals will do anything about the Johnson situation until they know where they stand with Houshmandzadeh's demands for a new contract... Their WR situation is a mess already. I don't think they'll add to that by trading Chad Johnson if they don't have their best WR happy with his contract. (and yes, I think TJ is better than Chad. TJ catches all the tough balls, all the 3rd down conversions. Chad just goes deep and gets the headlines.)

just because he catches more balls, doesn't mean he is better than Johnson, just means he is used differently within the system. "Better" ofcourse is relative.
That being said, I don't blame him for wanting out of Cincy, he doesn't want to end up like Barry Sanders, always being praised for being among the best at his position but never getting anywhere close to the Super Bowl because of an apparent lack of managing by the front office.

just because he catches more balls, doesn't mean he is better than Johnson

Read again. That's not what I said... ;)

Glad McNair retired before he went the full Jonny Unitas/Joe Namath route...

Skins offer Bungles their 1st rounder ( #21) and next years 3rd rounder ( which can go up to an 2nd or 1st if Johnson has a great season due to play clauses )

The Bungles say NO!

Have the Bungles seen what happens when a player makes it know he wants out or what? See Minnesota with Moss & Culpepper--got jack in return

Titans & Pac Man--Dallas offered a 7th?

Once people know YOU HAVE TO deal a player no matter what your offers are going south fast. No one else will offer them a 1st period, not mention a 3rd on top of it.

I would probably ask for a decent player and that 1st rd pick. He is going to
be good for quite awhile longer, just not likely in Cincy. Maybe they think they can get a better deal on draft day. :scan:

I would probably ask for a decent player and that 1st rd pick. He is going to
be good for quite awhile longer, just not likely in Cincy. Maybe they think they can get a better deal on draft day. :scan:

Marvin Lewis came out today and said" If Chads is a man of his word he should sit out this year-he's NOT getting traded" You can see this getting "TO like", when he wanted out of Phily

Seattle cutting Alexander

Well...the Dolphins are taking Jake Long. Pretty Parcellian pick, though trading out of the spot would have been more Parcellian.

I think Parcells got cold feet after the last time he passed on a potential franchise left tackle with the number one pick. (for those that don't remember, while with the Jets, he traded the top pick away (Orlando Pace) and the players that he got back were no where near as special.

Boys get Pac Man for 4th rounder, if he plays this year they give a 6th rounder in 2009 too. NFL insider say if Pac Man stays out of trouble till camp he will be able to play.

Big surprise... :rolleyes:
Apparently Matt Walsh didn't have a tape of the Rams 2002 Super Bowl walkthrough after all...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3386162

But according to the NY Times he sent tapes of five games in which the Patriots taped defensive signals, including the 2002 AFC championship game against the Steelers to the NFL...

Seattle cutting Alexander

Cincinnati and New Orleans looking hard at him. He'd be a great fit for the Bengals.

Why does New Orleans need another RB? Are theyworried abotu McAlister and Bush?

Big surprise... :rolleyes:
Apparently Matt Walsh didn't have a tape of the Rams 2002 Super Bowl walkthrough after all...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3386162

But according to the NY Times he sent tapes of five games in which the Patriots taped defensive signals, including the 2002 AFC championship game against the Steelers to the NFL...

why is taping the signals prohibited? isnt it basically the same as someone observing it and then telling the team what they look like?

Big surprise... :rolleyes:
Apparently Matt Walsh didn't have a tape of the Rams 2002 Super Bowl walkthrough after all...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3386162

But according to the NY Times he sent tapes of five games in which the Patriots taped defensive signals, including the 2002 AFC championship game against the Steelers to the NFL...


*Yawn*. On a pregame show during the playoffs, cant remember which one, Cowher himself stated he could care less if the Pats were watching his signals. He changes them throughout the game to combat this kind of stuff since it's such a widespread thing and in his opinion, if you're getting burned because the other team knows your signals that's your own damn fault.

*Yawn*. On a pregame show during the playoffs, cant remember which one, Cowher himself stated he could care less if the Pats were watching his signals. He changes them throughout the game to combat this kind of stuff since it's such a widespread thing and in his opinion, if you're getting burned because the other team knows your signals that's your own damn fault.


Looking at the signals is allowed. Taping them is not. The Patriots broke the rules and got penalized for that. Period. It doesn't matter if other coaches don't care if the Patriots watch their signals. It's against the rules. It's really as simple as that.

I don't want to see spygate drwan out any more than you do, but it was important to check all the evidence. Apparently the evidence is of the same kind of infraction that Goodell already penalized the Patriots for so I doubt he will penalize them again.

Yeah, but you know there was not just these few instances in the 'regular
season :mischief: . You got to think they did it all the time and always pushed the envelope every chance they could. I wouldn't be surprised if
they did it ALL the time, for every opponent... and these tapes are the only
ones Walsh gave them or could get his hands on. I know it is the past and
nothing really can be done about it, but it still pisses me off... I always felt
they were not 'that' good, but were winning by superior coaching... not
cheating.

Odell Thurman busted for substance abuse 5 weeks after being reinstated from 2 year suspension for substance abuse. 3rd strike, what a dumba$$.

Odell Thurman busted for substance abuse 5 weeks after being reinstated from 2 year suspension for substance abuse. 3rd strike, what a dumba$$.

Some people just are really that stupid. I seriously expect Pacman Jones to . .. .. .. . up too. He strikes me as even dumber than Thurman. Chris Henry is another one of the 'Dumb NFL players club'...

I think all three will be permanently out of the NFL within a year or two at most.

No, this is beyond even the dumbarsery mastered by Adam Jones....this is a whole other level of dumbarsery :rolleyes:

Note that even though Mr. Jones is a Cowboy, I still pretty much despise the guy. Be a good slot corner or maybe a second corner, return some punts for a touchdown, and stay out of trouble. Then start a foundation for parapalegics without plastering your name all over it, and maybe you can gain an iota of respect back.

Yeah, but you know there was not just these few instances in the 'regular
season :mischief: . You got to think they did it all the time and always pushed the envelope every chance they could. I wouldn't be surprised if
they did it ALL the time, for every opponent... and these tapes are the only
ones Walsh gave them or could get his hands on. I know it is the past and
nothing really can be done about it, but it still pisses me off... I always felt
they were not 'that' good, but were winning by superior coaching... not
cheating.

Well you can still consider their wins due to their skill and their good coaching. That's the problem, people are looking at this and saying "oh that's why they won 3 superbowls," no, it isn't.

Well you can still consider their wins due to their skill and their good coaching. That's the problem, people are looking at this and saying "oh that's why they won 3 superbowls," no, it isn't.

thats what i tell all my friends if you have a team with all that talent you can make it so there not to practice and there only allowed to see each other to get ready for a game 10 minutes before the game and guess what? -if you said there still gonna win your right.

Well you can still consider their wins due to their skill and their good coaching. That's the problem, people are looking at this and saying "oh that's why they won 3 superbowls," no, it isn't.

While still a excellent team with excellent coaching... they still bent and
continued to bend the rules while KNOWING it was AGAINST the rules.
Still a blemish on their history.

While still a excellent team with excellent coaching... they still bent and
continued to bend the rules while KNOWING it was AGAINST the rules.
Still a blemish on their history.

Plus there's more than one way it can help win a Super Bowl--it helps them win a regular season game that gives them home field all play off long. Something small but has big repercussions-in theory.

i just dont understand why it is forbidden?

well now that the giants lost michael strahan i don't even see them making the playoffs seeing how the d is the only reason they won the superbowl and several parts of it are gone (yes i think eli manning is over rated so you can start hating on me now everyone)

Eli Manning is still a slightly above average quaterback...

Strahan was a very good player, but I don't think it's going to completely wreck the Giants. I hope it does of course, but they still have Tuck, Umenyiora, and some fast linebackers like Kiwanuka.

Eli Manning is still a slightly above average quaterback...


Just stirring the pot here, but if Eli is slightly above average, what does that make Tony Romo? Eli may not have the great stats (I'll immediately grant that he's average at best there), but he does know how to win in december and january, while Romo has got great stats, but he sucks in december and january...

:mischief:

If I were either a Cowboys or a Giants fan (which you all know I am not), I'd be far happier with my QB situation if I was rooting for Eli. Stats are nice. Results in january are what matters.

Tony is another qb i think over rated he may have his great games, but does any one else remember that 5 or 6 turnover game he had? Plus just like darkness said tony can't get it done in the playoffs. If I were a Cowboy or Giants fan i would rather have Matt Cassel, he may not do very good every week but at least he would be consistent instead of a second and third coming of ol Aaron Brooks

Tony has done fine in the playoffs...remember, he had the drive that TIED the score two years ago in the rain in Seattle and has plenty of last drive, comeback moments. I have plenty of faith in him, and he has shown much more of a propensity to be a great QB than Eli Manning has. They are both damn clutch, both have way to many turnovers, but Romo is just more dynamic at this point. He has more mobility, he has more of that "it". Hopefully he doesn't lose "it" this year, but 13-3 is still some kind of accomplishment even if the playoffs were a bust.

Look at Manning's QB rating for the duration of the year though and review the majority of his games this year...he is a slightly above average quaterback who just did not blow the chance the terrific defense his team was playing was giving him. Ahmad Bradshaw & Brandon Jacobs were fantastic down the stretch too.

What's overrated is Dallas' defense and it has been since about 2004. It's possibly the least clutch "good" defense in the league. Our running game was VASTLY overrated last year too, JJ was just about worthless and Barber was not given the ball the entire game and is not, IMO, a complete all around back (that's why we drafted Felix Jones AND Tashard Choice). JJ actually reminds me of a much less talented Shaun Alexander...the guy seems to trip over blades of grass sometimes. He NEVER breaks tackles.

@holiday hawk, yea...you can keep Matt Cassel. Did you give up on Peyton Manning after he lost 40-0 to the Jets in the playoffs? What about when Staubach just couldnt get over the hump? What I'm saying is, just because it does not happen instantly does not mean he is a "failure and will never get it done". It's disappointing as hell, but I still look at the shortcomings of other parts of this team waaay before I look at what Romo has done wrong.

Second coming of Aaron Brooks? Aaron Brooks has much less of a head on his shoulders than Romo does...Brooks had a stronger arm, but could not lead in near the same way Romo can. 13-3 is already something never touched by Brooks. Brooks was a guy who lit up the stats sheet for a few years (he had a 24-8 TD-INT year right before he fell off the map) with little winning to show for it.

Romo this year in january: 18/36, 201yards, 1 TD and 1 INT
Romo last year in january: 17/29, 189yards, 1 TD and a botched hold on crucial field goal attempt.

I'm not looking to bash Romo here, but 'fine' is not how I would describe Romo's two playoff appearances. 'Average' would be my choice of words.

Fine means, good enough to win :p Not great enough to win by himself or overcome a mediocre defensive game, but good enough to win.

I expect more too, I'm just not overly concerned by Romo. I'm overly concerned with the age of our receivers (Stanback and Hurd better become something special), the age of our offensive line (in some spots), and the gelling of our defense in Wade Phillips Year 2. I'm also hoping our kicker curse doesn't kick in this year either with Folk.

Eli is an above average QB with the chance to be good--but not great. His biggest problem is who his brother is.

DUI

Fleeing & eluding police

Reckless driving

Driving on suspended licence

Thats Marcus Vick :lol:

Must run in the family

DUI

Fleeing & eluding police

Reckless driving

Driving on suspended licence

Thats Marcus Vick :lol:

Must run in the family

oh no the NFL just lost one of the best kick returners the game has ever seen, not only could he return kicks with the best of them but i'd like to find a better 45th string receiver

Yesterday I received an email from NFL UK that I had been drawn from the lottery to be able to try to purchase tickets for the game in London on october 26th. It's still on a first come, first served basis, but at least I've got a shot to get tickets.

There just might be three very enthousiastic Dutchmen in Wembley Stadium on october 26th. :)

The game is New Orleans vs. San Diego right? That is going to be one awesome game, I'm rooting for you to win Darkness! :D

Any thoughts on the J.Walker beatdown? :scan:

If seen TV programs before about how dangerous the back/side streets can
be in Vegas. What fool shoots champagne around a club and then wanders
the streets by himself??? :rolleyes:

After the fantasy season Walker gave me last year(6th round).... eh nevermind.

Anyway, Roosevelt Colvin to the Texans.

Any thoughts on the J.Walker beatdown? :scan:

If seen TV programs before about how dangerous the back/side streets can
be in Vegas. What fool shoots champagne around a club and then wanders
the streets by himself??? :rolleyes:

My only thought is i wish it wouldn't been me doing it, after the way he screwed Green Bay over.

Oh and did you guys hear that he wanted to come back to be traded back to Green Bay since we were doing good now, he is one guy i wouldn't mind if he dropped off the face of the Earth.

Ahh yes, the class of a Packer fan emerges. "He didn't liked my team and he left them all mean and so yea, I hope he has his skull bashed in and is mugged :mad:"

:rolleyes:

I don't think that 'hawk was wishing that walker's skull got bashed in, I do think that 'hawk didn't mind that it had happened though. I can't find fault with his sentiment for the guy! I mean, if you are going to be a fan you should be loyal...I think he is proving his loyalty here. :goodjob:

No...he is being an idiot. Javon didn't even "screw the team over". He was mad that the Packers would not re-do his deal because he messed up his knee, he made a tiff about it, got traded, no more.

Plenty of wide receiver's do that. Is it lame? Yea. Is it "screwing the team over", no. I would say Favre did that waaay more with his retirement crud the last few years.

Plenty of wide receiver's do that.

you mean plenty of GOOD WR's do that!

I would consider javon a mediocre WR that Favre made look damn good in 2004, and apparently the Packers felt the same. Especially since he had injury issues and also had off-the-field issues (that eventually came to haunt the Broncos) . I think the Raider's are really reaching when they gave him a $55 mill deal.

He might be worth a late pick in fantasy drafts this season given that Russell will look to his veteran status for help making the raiders viable again.

No...he is being an idiot. Javon didn't even "screw the team over". He was mad that the Packers would not re-do his deal because he messed up his knee, he made a tiff about it, got traded, no more.

Plenty of wide receiver's do that. Is it lame? Yea. Is it "screwing the team over", no. I would say Favre did that waaay more with his retirement crud the last few years.

Well we spent a first round pick on him, and what do we get a whiny WR who wants a ton of money with a blown knee. If we didn't finish 4-12 he would have stayed anyway i bet, but what makes me the maddest is when i heard he wanted back when we had the explosive season. I'm sure any fan of any team would hate someone that there team spent a first round pick expecting them to be the cornerstone of the team for years to come and all they are is injury prone and whiny.

Walker was not injury prone on the Packers...his injury would have happened to anyone. If anything, he made Favre look good that one season. He would chuck it up and Walker would catch it in some spectacular fashion. Javon was the most talented wide receiver the Packers have had since Sterling Sharpe.

He was also having a good season last year before being injured. Now he might be injury prone, but if he had stayed healthy the Broncos would have made the playoffs.

All I'm saying is he does not deserve the whole "I wish I could have done it myself" "Good he deserves it" tripe that is really only reserved for the worst of the worst. Remember Rae Carruth? That's the kinda guy I want to use that wordage on.

I do remember Rae.... and your absolutely right about him being among the worst! He had pretty good potential IIRC. what a shame, what a shame.....

What, you can hate on a guy and wish for his skull to be bashed in because you believe he's injury prone? What the ....

I presume most of you have seen the "Brett Favre wants to come back" story.
What is your opinion on this?

I personally hope the Pack refuses to take him back. If, as Peter King says,
it's true that they can't do that, then they should trade or release him immediately.

A little too late for Favre to be making this move now. I see only one path for him to take if he wants to play this year:

He tells the Packers that he absolutely wishes to come back. They remove him from the retired players list and dangle him as trade bait, but obviously only to AFC teams. Now let's look at who might be interested on a team-by-team basis.

Buffalo: Edwards is their man.
New England: Sure, if he wants to backup Brady. Not gonna happen.
Miami: Well, he would definitely start here, but he won't win. It would be Emmitt Smith to the Cardinals esque.
NY Jets: You know...they like Clemens, but I don't think they are entirely sold on him. Favre is probably Pennington's opposite. I don't know how much familiarity, if any, Favre has with the Jets offense and they are probably not close enough to the top for Favre's liking.

Kansas City: They would take him over Croyle in a heartbeat, but he is not going there.
Oakland: A good bridge to Russell, hell they might even win 6 games! The day this happens is the day the universe implodes though, so I hope it doesn't happen.
Denver: Cutler is the man there.
San Diego: Nice backup, nice weather. I suppose if Rivers randomly injured himself for the year it might be a possibility.

Indianapolis: Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Favre has been for the last 10 years.
Houston: Hmm...Schaub did pretty well when healthy, and Rosenfels is a very capable backup but...Favre for a year? A healthy Andre Johnson and this team is in the playoffs last year, throw Favre in there and they can go to the AFC Championship game. Still, I'm pretty sure the Texans won't pull the trigger and Favre won't go.
Jacksonville: The Jags are pretty satisfied with Garrard.
Tennessee: Total faith in Vince Young. Good or bad, they're putting their eggs in that basket.

Pittsburgh: Roethlisberger.
Baltimore: Veteran team, still has some weapons on offense. Rookie quarterback or Boller is the starter without Favre, so he would be the man. I think he would go here.
Cincinnati: Palmer.
Cleveland: Brady Quinn & Derek Anderson. Too much money in one spot.

So, Favre goes to Baltimore for....a 2nd rounder and player to be named? :p

I hope Favre comes back and the pack take him.

He's not coming back, even though he says he wants to.

He's an arrogant dick, whatever gets hime in sportscenter.

That's not true at all. Don't be bitter that the Bears are just plain bad.

Travis Henry, more marijuana problems:rolleyes:

Henry tests positive for marijuana Story Highlights
The Broncos were not aware of the ruling before releasing Henry
In 2005, Henry served a four-game drug-related suspension
The Denver Post said Henry also missed three drug tests







DENVER (AP) -- Free agent running back Travis Henry faces a one-year suspension after the NFL ruled he again tested positive for marijuana, The Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News reported Friday, citing unnamed NFL sources.

The Broncos were not aware of the ruling before releasing Henry on June 2, The Denver Post reported, citing two unnamed league sources.

The newspaper reported that an unnamed source close to Henry confirmed the league said he tested positive for marijuana in May, which would be Henry's third offense and put him in line for a one-year suspension.

Henry's agent and lawyer did not immediately return messages left Friday by The Associated Press.

In 2005, Henry served a four-game drug-related suspension while with the Tennessee Titans.

Early last season, the NFL ruled Henry tested positive for the active ingredient in marijuana. With the support of Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, Henry successfully appealed the ruling by arguing against the testing procedure.

The Denver Post, citing an unnamed NFL source, said Henry then missed three drug tests after that. Under the league's drug policy, a missed test is the equivalent of a positive reading.

Once again, Henry's attorney Harvey Steinberg successfully argued against testing procedures, The Denver Post reported.

In May, Henry pulled his hamstring before the Broncos' offseason minicamps. The Broncos released him June 2, saying his commitment to the team was in question. By then, Henry was already aware of the latest ruling of a positive drug test, The Denver Post reported.

Shanahan could not be reached for comment Friday. League spokesman Greg Aiello said the league would have no comment.

There's a reason a perennial 1,000 yard rusher under 30 years old like Henry could not land a job anywhere in the league.

Favre asks to be released. If they grant it, (holy shi-), I suspect he'll be in purple in September.

Favre asks to be released. If they grant it, (holy shi-), I suspect he'll be in purple in September.

I'm guessing Tampa Bay. Gruden loves collecting QB's...

Green Bay won't release him. They are calling his bluff, telling him he can comeback as a backup (hahaha, no pressure Aaron Rodgers, really) or he can stay retired.

Every team in their division would be after him :lol: If they released him it would be hilarious.

I'm hopoing they do because he'll be in purple. THis would be good because I already ahte the Vikings and the Packer fans would eb all cryey. It would be the funniest thing ever.

It would be the funniest thing ever.


Since Rex Grossman made me a happy fantasy owner, 2 years ago for a bery short time, now thats funny:lol:

Favre asks to be released. If they grant it, (holy shi-), I suspect he'll be in purple in September.

That's funny, the Redskins don't wear purple.

They won't release him because he wouldn't promise not to go to a NFL north team--only way he's leaving is by trade and to the AFC.

Odell Thurman wanted by police--must be repeat offender week.

I wonder what team he wants to go 2. It's probaly the bears or the vikeings otherwise they would release him.

That's funny, the Redskins don't wear purple.

Favre always plays bad against the Cowboys. Go ahead and sign him :p

I wonder what team he wants to go 2. It's probaly the bears or the vikeings otherwise they would release him.

Do the bears even have receivers anymore? :mischief:

Marty Booker, Devin Hester, and Mark Bradley lolz

Do the bears even have receivers anymore? :mischief:

We probaly want Favre to play reciever.

Brandon Lloyd. Come on Kraz, there's a real football player.

I want the GIF of Lloyd ducking under a ball thrown at him. That was classic.

He wants to come to the purple and win a super bowl. I doubt that metrodome mat would suit his old body very well though.

Sounds a lot like the ball avoidance tactics of a troy williamson...

I want the GIF of Lloyd ducking under a ball thrown at him. That was classic.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif

He won't have to duck with Rex and Ortan at q.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif

I dant seen that one, is he even still playing?:crazyeye:

I dant seen that one, is he even still playing?:crazyeye:

The Redskins released him and the Bears picked him up.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif

That is the greatest thing I have ever seen.

Now concerning my friend Mr.Favre, you can't just come out of retirement. Not after we draft around the hole you left us and we already told A-Rodge that he was the man. We gave you one chance to come back and you said no, not even a god comes before the betterment of the team.

I can't stop watching. I haven't seen an ex illini ever do so bad.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif

http://www.bnbathletics.com/images/lloyd-flop.gif

I can't stop watching. I haven't seen an ex illini ever do so bad.

Jeff George? Wasn't Kurt Kittner an Illini too? :p

@kraznaya, :lol:

Bears sign Kevin Jones for a year. No downside imo.

Bears sign Kevin Jones for a year. No downside imo.

When your best offensive skill player is a rookie second round running back, there's no downside to anything.... :mischief:

I can't believe what Brett is doing, after he said that JW should honor his contract, now Brett doesn't think he should honor the Packers by staying retired even thought the Pack tried to get him to come out and he said no I'm going to stay retired.

When your best offensive skill player is a rookie second round running back, there's no downside to anything.... :mischief:
I know...pretty sad. The only thing I can think of is running two tight end sets every play since they're our best offensive players.:sad:

I know...pretty sad. The only thing I can think of is running two tight end sets every play since they're our best offensive players.:sad:

What about sexy Rexy? Every time we go to Soldier field I always fear of the power that kid has, I mean look at him no one else in the league can bomb a pass that far past his receiver.

Id actually be willing to bet rex has a good year.

If you could get him fast receivers then he wouldn't be all that bad, he still wouldn't be able to throw curls but at least you know he has that fast guy down field for his urge of the deep bomb.

I like the deep bombs that's what he's good at.

Ok, now you want us to post embarrassing GIF's of Rex Grossman?

START ORTON!!!

Isn't Devin Hester a fast receiver? It seems like the NFL was so long ago, i can't remember any team really.

Jeff George was awesome! Kurt Kitner was like 3rd string so that doesn't count.

Jeff George was only awesome (loose term for the word) when he was a Viking, and like he always seemed to do, he made enemies of the coaching staff and had to skip town.

Hester is a very fast receiver. Problem is is that he has no discernible route running skills and his hands are pretty bad at this stage. He was a very mediocre corner though so it's probably best to move him around. Right now, he is more of a decoy than a bonafide one/two/slot receiver.

Jeff George was only awesome (loose term for the word) when he was a Viking, and like he always seemed to do, he made enemies of the coaching staff and had to skip town.

Hester is a very fast receiver. Problem is is that he has no discernible route running skills and his hands are pretty bad at this stage. He was a very mediocre corner though so it's probably best to move him around. Right now, he is more of a decoy than a bonafide one/two/slot receiver.

But they'll try to "get him the ball in space," so you can expect lots of wide receiver screens on 3rd-and-15.

Cleo

The Patriots won three championships with a screen heavy offense...just not sure if the Bears can pull it off. Hester is their one ace in the hole, they might as well exploit his talent however they can.

We're gonna do it with tight ends and more tight ends. Orton can throw in traffic. Rexy can't. I say Orton gets the nod.

I say you cut both and try to lose 16 games to draft a real QB.

Yeah like big boy Russel.

I say you cut both and try to lose 16 games to draft a real QB.

Like Ryan Leaf?

Brady Leaf is still at Oregon, last I checked...

Yeah like big boy Russel.

He'd be better than Rex or Orton. I'd rather have Matt Cassel than those two boneheads.

I don't think Cassel has started a football game since high school...

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif

You know, Troy Aikman used to tell an anecdote about a practice session for the pro bowl one year. He was working on a pass route with Jerry Rice, and he uncorked a bullet pass too early, at Rice's head, seemingly too early. And as he said, "just as I was starting to think 'Oh no i'm going to maim him!' he just sticks his hands up and catches it without missing a beat."

I think of that story and that mental image fondly.

Now, contrast THAT mental image with this .gif Brandon Lloyd, now every bit as much a former 49er receiver as The Incomparable Hall Of Famer is. I can think of no better way to summarize the night and day contrast between the good old glory days of 49er Football and the current lean years than this.

Firesales don't work in the NFL. Jeff Garcia replaced with Tim Rattay, Terrell Owens replaced with Brandon Lloyd, Garrison Hearst replaced with Kevan Barlow, and perhaps worst of all...Steve Mariucci replaced with Dennis Erickson :vomit:

Jerry Jones, to his credit, tried to keep winning even as all of his stars kept leaving. He made one of the worst trades in NFL history (2 first rounders for Joey Galloway), insisted on an embarrassing quarterback carousel, tried to take complete control. But at least his goal was always to win.

I think the 49ers are looking up, though. They've drafted well recently (the jury's still out on Alex Smith, of course), and Frank Gore is awfully good. I went to the Niners / Giants game last year, and Gore had some of the most incredible two yard gains I've ever seen. Even from the 300-level seats, it was clear that he's a talent. It's just that the line forgot to block (and Trent Dilfer to Arnaz Battle wasn't much of a passing threat).

Cleo

The best talent on that team is Patrick Willis...he is a beast.

Frank Gore certainly is very good. I remember when he was at Miami, it was pretty much consensus to people on Miami's coaching staff that Gore was the most talented Hurricane running back since Edgerrin James. Better than Portis or McGahee. It's why he kept getting chances to start even after he blew out BOTH of his knees. He just fumbles a little too much and you never know when injuries will strike back.

Still, a Shaun Hill vs. Alex Smith quarterback battle (THIS TIME ITS PERSONAL) is never good for your team :p

I'm glad the Skin's got Jason Taylor I really wan't them or the eagles to win that division.

Oh the eagles will win the division all right.... We are in the beginning of a downward spiral I have a feeling. We are in the same boat the bronco's are in, we think we can let our good players go and replace them with anyone and still win.

King of Town -- Eagles fan?

I think we have a good chance. The organization is still strong. The defense looks good, and I think the defensive backs can help Jim Johnson get back to his aggressive, blitzing ways. On the offensive side of the ball, Brian Westbrook is amazing, and a healthy Donovan McNabb (fingers crossed) will help. Obviously our wide receiving corps is questionable, but there's really only been one season when it wasn't.* Before McNabb's injury last year, we were playing really good football. At the time it didn't seem that way, but we had lost close games to eventual playoff teams, including the 13-3 Packers and the Super Bowl Champs; moreover, we lost those games in part because of insanely bad fumble luck. And this year we don't have Reno Mahe returning kicks.

I'm not saying we're the second coming of the 2007 Patriots, but I think we're a very strong team that will contend in the NFC East.

Cleo

*Reid's made some great moves in his career, but the belief that wide receivers are essentially fungible drives me nuts. McNabb had a career season with T.O. Okay, T.O. was a discipline problem, but if he showed anything, he showed that having talent at the WR position does matter. The one season we had a top-flight WR, we tore through the league. Oh, hey Vikings fans, how's Brad Childress's receiving corps working out?

Shockey to the Saints...

Shockey in my opinion is just being an a hole. He was probaly just jealous they did it without him.

ESPN's training camp power rankings are out. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2008&week=0)

Interesting points:
Packers at #8 despite the whole Brett Favre situation. Sure, they play in a pretty poor division and aren't too reliant on Favre, but I'm not sure that they are better than, say, the Seahawks or maybe even the Eagles.

Titans at #14. I still wonder why this team made the playoffs. Vince Young at QB is not a good long-term solution, and I think that teams like the Texans will be better.

Bengals at #24. You'd think with their offensive talent they'd be able to accomplish something and better than teams like the Jets and Ravens. We'll see.

Falcons at #32. Oh wait, this is not a surprise. Interesting to see Matt Ryan's influence, though.

Aren't the Saints using their second round draft choice twice now?

One for Shocky and the other is conditional with Vilma.

I forgot about that, I think the Aints did already trade the second round pick away.

~National Football Conference~

=NFC East=

Dallas Cowboys 11-5*
Philadelphia Eagles 9-7
Washington Redskins 8-8
New York Giants 8-8

=NFC West=

Arizona Cardinals 9-7*
St. Louis Rams 9-7*
Seattle Seahawks 7-9
San Francisco 49'ers 6-10

=NFC North=

Green Bay Packers 12-4*
Minnesota Vikings 8-8
Detroit Lions 6-10
Chicago Bears 5-11

=NFC South=

Carolina Panthers 10-6*
New Orleans Saints 9-7*
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6-10
Atlanta Falcons 2-14

~American Football Conference~

=AFC East=

New England Patriots 13-3*
Buffalo Bills 8-8
New York Jets 6-10
Miami Dolphins 4-12

=AFC West=

San Diego Chargers 12-4*
Denver Broncos 9-7
Oakland Raiders 6-10
Kansas City Chiefs 4-12

=AFC North=

Cleveland Browns 11-5*
Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6*
Cincinnati Bengals 7-9
Baltimore Ravens 5-11

=AFC South=

Indianapolis Colts 11-5*
Jacksonville Jaguars 10-6*
Houston Texans 9-7
Tennessee Titans 6-10


-NFC Playoffs-

St. Louis Rams at Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Saints at Arizona Cardinals

Carolina Panthers at Dallas Cowboys
New Orleans Saints at Green Bay Packers

Dallas Cowboys at Green Bay Packers

-AFC Playoffs-

Pittsburgh Steelers at Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars at Indianapolis Colts

Cleveland Browns at New England Patriots
Indianapolis Colts at San Diego Chargers

San Diego Chargers at New England Patriots

+Super Bowl+

Green Bay Packers vs San Diego Chargers in Raymond James Stadium




-I think Taylor makes Washington marginally better, keeps them afloat at .500
-Maurice Morris and Julius Jones will be the downfall of the Seahawk NFC West dynasty.

Any other questions? I always love answering questions on my crazy predictions :D

Who's the QB for the Packers in this list?

Who's the QB for the Packers in this list?

Aaron Rodgers.

And what happened to Minny? Did AP get injured again?

And what happened to Minny? Did AP get injured again?

Tavaris Jackson became Tavaris Jackson. Berrian is not number 1 receiver material, and I'm not sold on Sidney Rice. Adrian Peterson is injury prone until proven otherwise.

Plus, ESPN is all over them. Therefore I am all off of them :p

Adrian Peterson is injury prone until proven otherwise.

I've got 20 bucks riding on he doesn't even make it 3 full games.

He didn't make it the full season last year and still massed quite a few yards. Minnesota's D is going to be ridiculous. You should have heard the guys on the radio whine about their sport on this list. I will say replacing troy williamson with bernard berrian is a mojor imporvment, but we'll see.

Heck yeah eagles fan cleo. WR and linebacker seem to be our perpetual weakness except like one year at each with problem guys. i know we lost close games, but good teams win those, we find ways to lose them. at least last year.

Chargers in the SB? They jst figure it has to happen sooner or later? I wonder who they have the falcons beating?

He didn't make it the full season last year and still massed quite a few yards. Minnesota's D is going to be ridiculous. You should have heard the guys on the radio whine about their sport on this list. I will say replacing troy williamson with bernard berrian is a mojor imporvment, but we'll see.

Heck yeah eagles fan cleo. WR and linebacker seem to be our perpetual weakness except like one year at each with problem guys. i know we lost close games, but good teams win those, we find ways to lose them. at least last year.

Chargers in the SB? They jst figure it has to happen sooner or later? I wonder who they have the falcons beating?

I think your confusing my predictions with ESPN's power rankings. Unless me and ESPN are eerily similar :cry:

The Vikes defense is good, yea, but it's not all time good. I really have little to no faith in T-Jack so I think this defense will have to be at least as good as the 2006 Bears to get the Vikes into the playoffs. Peterson amassed plenty of yards but the guy isn't invincible (see: Minnesota at San Francisco).

Chargers are due to be in the Superbowl :p Last year even with Rivers & Gates being injured they had plenty of chances to win the AFC Championship. I think they are one of the few teams with the tools to beat the Patriots (pressure defense that really messes with Brady, high scoring offense that can keep up).

Azale,

The St. Louis Rams? Really? I just don't see them having improved from last year.

Although I don't think 8-8 is unreasonable at all for Minnesota. As you pointed out, Tarvaris Jackson is Tarvaris Jackson.

King of Town,

Actually, good teams don't win close games -- good teams win blowouts (well, they presumably win close games, too, since they're good). Blowing out inferior opponents is a better indicator of team quality (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2005/12/02/ramblings/stat-analysis/3303/) than winning close games against other good opponents.

But in any case, we re-tooled and I think we look better than last year. If Westbrook doesn't sit out a significant amount of time, I think we should be in good shape. Oh, and injuries, of course.

Cleo

Azale,

The St. Louis Rams? Really? I just don't see them having improved from last year.



Perhaps you missed the part where almost the entire offense was out from injury.

The fact that they started out 0-8 was one of the more mind boggling things I've seen in the NFL recently. This is a playoff team in the NFC West, just looking at the offense alone. If Bulger is injured then everything goes to hell again, but I bank on him being healthy most of the year.

Perhaps you missed the part where almost the entire offense was out from injury.

I don't think they were that good to begin with (with the exception of Brian Leonard, of course). The defense is pretty bad. Bulger and Jackson started 10 games together -- and they went 2-8. Holt's getting older, and who's going to play on the other side? Drew Bennett? Pace is obviously their best player and losing him pretty much ruined their season, but is he really worth a 6-game turnaround? What's more, they have a tough schedule (NFC East; Seattle's better now having cut Alexander). I could see 6-10, maybe 7-9, but I think a playoff spot is out of reach.

Cleo

I don't think they were that good to begin with (with the exception of Brian Leonard, of course). The defense is pretty bad. Bulger and Jackson started 10 games together -- and they went 2-8. Holt's getting older, and who's going to play on the other side? Drew Bennett? Pace is obviously their best player and losing him pretty much ruined their season, but is he really worth a 6-game turnaround? What's more, they have a tough schedule (NFC East; Seattle's better now having cut Alexander). I could see 6-10, maybe 7-9, but I think a playoff spot is out of reach.

Cleo


You do realize that 80% of the Rams offensive line was injured last year, don't you? Only Alex Barron was healthy all 16 games (and let's face facts here, he's not exactly developed into the great tackle the Rams hoped him to be). With the addition of Jacob Bell and the return of Orlando Pace, Ritchie Incognito and Mark Setterstrom the Rams should have a decent offensive line again, giving Bulger time to throw and Jackson room to run, which neither had last year. Adding Al Saunders as offensive coordinator should also help. The only real issue on offense is the second wide receiver. Holt may be getting older but he's managed 8 consecutive 1000-yard receiving seasons
and I don't think he'll slow down just yet.

The real issues:
- Pass rush: Chris Long should be a good player, but can he deliver a decent pass rush opposite of Leonard Little (and can Little still bring it from the strong side) ?
- Strong side linebacker: Witherspoon and Tinoisamoa are good coverage players, but who's going to stop the run?
- Cornerback: When is Tye Hill going to live up to that hype that had him picked in the first half of the first round a couple of years ago?

And of course: When is OJ Atogwe getting his contract extention? He was one of the very, very few bright spots last season and he's a young, extremely talented safety. The Rams can't afford to let him get away.

Now I am not saying that the Rams are definately going to make the playoffs, but if they can stay healthy they will be in the mix. San Francisco, Arizona and Seattle all have issues too. None of them is really that much better than any of the others in the NFC West.

I'm telling you, a crippled Shaun Alexander is still much better than Julius Jones.

Darkness,

Holt has produced a lot, but he also gets a ton of passes thrown his way. Aggregate stats don't necessarily show how effective a player is. I think he's already lost a step (though he's still very good).

The line has a lot to do with their poor season, but I think the team is fairly flawed beyond that. I guess I just don't think they were all that good before the line collapsed last year. I think Seattle is substantially better, and not only because they cut Shaun Alexander. They have a phenomenal linebacking corps and a strong line; if Marcus Tubbs can stay healthy (admittedly a big "if"), they can be a top-flight unit. I would say the Rams are in a class with the Cardinals and 49ers, but I wouldn't predict victories against the NFC East teams on their schedule, nor the Patriots. If they lose twice to the Seahawks and split the 49ers and Cards games, they're already at 9 losses.

But it's not like I think the Rams couldn't surprise and do well. They're not like the Raiders or Falcons, who I'm quite confident will be awful. It wouldn't blow my mind if they nabbed a Wild Card; I just don't think it's likely.

Cleo

I'm telling you, a crippled Shaun Alexander is still much better than Julius Jones.

I think you're underestimating how much Shaun Alexander's "performance" hurt the Seahawks last year. I don't think Julius Jones is particularly good, but even a replacement-level running back would have helped the Seahawks substantially.

Cleo

Maurice Morris played plenty last year as well. Color me unimpressed on MM & JJ. Deion Branch could be on the injury list too soon. I think this is a down year for Seattle and Arizona & St. Louis will take advantage.

Azale,

I think you're right not to be impressed by Maurice Morris and Julius Jones. But Shaun Alexander was one of the worst running backs in the league last year. My point is that as unimpressive as MM and JJ are, they're still an improvement.

I think a healthy Marcus Tubbs is the key to Seattle's season. With him they have a very good defense.

If it's a down year for Seattle and Arizona, I agree that St. Louis will be the primary beneficiary, especially since we don't know about Alex Smith. But I don't see it as a down year for Seattle.

Cleo

I'm picking Arizona to win the division, remember? ;) I have a good deal of faith in Leinart (we'll see if it's misplaced or not this season), and by the win totals I cooked up, Seattle has to have a down year for the rest of the division to have better years.

The biggest mistake might be in thinking San Fran will win more with an Alex Smith-Shaun Hill QB battle :p

Jumping on the Cardinals bandwagon is always a hazardous occupation but a team as talented as the Cards are have to make the playoffs eventually right?

If I recall correctly, the Arizona line actually came together for a bit last year. Leinart might not be Carson Palmer, but with Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Bryant Johnson, he should be able to put something together. Remember the "they are who we thought they were" game? He picked apart the Bears' defense. Just have him sit back and throw six-yard passes all day. The defense is young and should be getting better. Is Adrian Wilson still on the Cards? I could have sworn that I read he was traded / signed elsewhere. Their website doesn't list him on their depth chart, but his NFL.com page still lists him as a Cardinal. Well, if he's still there, he's great.

Cleo

If I recall correctly, the Arizona line actually came together for a bit last year. Leinart might not be Carson Palmer, but with Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Bryant Johnson, he should be able to put something together. Remember the "they are who we thought they were" game? He picked apart the Bears' defense. Just have him sit back and throw six-yard passes all day. The defense is young and should be getting better. Is Adrian Wilson still on the Cards? I could have sworn that I read he was traded / signed elsewhere. Their website doesn't list him on their depth chart, but his NFL.com page still lists him as a Cardinal. Well, if he's still there, he's great.

Cleo


Arizona's passing game is not the problem. I'm just wondering if they can run the ball this year...

I'm pretty sure Adrian Wilson got an extension from the Cards. He's been their best defensive player for half a decade now.