Power of American Natives

The present thread is dedicated to North American Native cultures and is represented with various types of Native American warriors (spearmen, archers, tomahawks, horsemen, riflemen etc.).


The First Chapter:

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7989/nariflemenmc1.jpg


Download the First Chapter (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8599) (Apache attack animation fixed)

The Second Chapter:


http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6117/napreviewiicb8.jpg

Some of the previews:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/318/cheybraveprevig9.gifhttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/613/blackfootbraveprevcl3.gifhttp://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3306/huronbravepreveo7.gifhttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6843/delawbraveprevuq5.gif
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1466/osagebravepreviw2.gifhttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4928/eagleprevfb9.gifhttp://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5452/cuahchicprevxi3.gif


Download the Second Chapter (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8794)


Here are some of the Native American images that inspire my work on the current project:


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6054/osagetomahawk2pm6.jpghttp://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1190/winnebagotomahawkia0.jpghttp://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8826/iroquoismohawkdn9.jpghttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1472/seminole1836jh5.jpghttp://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2567/choctawchicksaw1861gm4.jpghttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9195/capture27vt9.jpghttp://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8783/blackfootwarpq7.jpghttp://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2654/chey01ub5.gifhttp://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1422/hidatsaht4.jpg

The Third Chapter:

Mesoamerican and Native American artwork:
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5884/ojibwamiamiwyandot1800id7.jpghttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/928/shawneeojibwa1800hy4.jpghttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8416/ds004ake7.jpghttp://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2277/m4231uh6.jpghttp://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1/sioux7qs9.jpghttp://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5134/4ba95399142ejp1.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/541/39e521d0d25erx6.jpghttp://img296.imageshack.us/img296/517/24891629de9ber1.jpghttp://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5799/aztec2rn3.jpghttp://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7328/22nc9.jpghttp://img167.imageshack.us/img167/445/aztec9rl4.jpg

Reserved ....

Reserved .....

Reserved .

Reserved ......

Someone did a lot of research. Ochen Horosho.
(yes my translitteration of Russian is poor. It's been years since I've studied it"

And I thought you had taken a break. :lol:

Awesome work man. :goodjob:

I have a big problem with this new pack of units...
I can't put them all in my mod, and I don't know how to choose!! :cry:

Great units as usual Sandris! I put some of them in my Mod!

Wow, even with the same animations that lot must have taken ages to put together. Amazing work.

D e a r G o d :eek: t h i s i s - I a m s p e e c h l e s s *faints*

Nice! I think I'll have to give the Iroquois a rifleman for every Saltpeter+Resource combination I can find!

Somebody's been very busy lately...! Thanks for the awesome units, Sandris, they must have taken ages to put together.

WHOA! Outstanding!!

Well I guess that answers the question in my mind why I havnt seen any new units from you in awhile. That is an amazing pack of units you put together thank you so much for doing so. The second chapter looks great also. The difference between the weapons in that one looks well thought out also. you must have spent a lot of time on those textures amazing job bringing such accuracy to the different tribes.

I have been making this pack with love. :) I had to study lots of materials on Native Americans (images, books, historical descriptions). What about textures I`ve spent 5 hours only rendering Delaware Flintlock. :) :)

What else do you have planned on all those reserved posts? :)

Holy god...
Amazing man, amazing.

... :eek:

That was unexpected.. What a pleasant surprise :)

You're a one man army ...creator! :hatsoff:


I hope you'll get around to making some pre-gunpowder South Asian (India) units - :please: but not until I post the concept art thread I'm working on.

Well, BM, since the crazy bastard seems to have a tendency to make "everything" that bleeds and is not represented in the original (non-fantasy) Civ sense, I think all you have to do is wait ;)

Well, BM, since the crazy bastard seems to have a tendency to make "everything" that bleeds and is not represented in the original (non-fantasy) Civ sense, I think all you have to do is wait ;)I'm working away on organizing the images & the commentary. Sandris is the one I'm hoping will wait - he's likely to run out of other countries by next week.:lol: & now that ruby sauce is around, there's at least one someone whose talents lean toward doing the weirdo mythologicals.

Stunning, absolutely stunning.

Сашка, ты превзошел сам себя. :eek: :D

Very nice units.

Kudos to you, Sandris. These are impressive. I love your attention to detail and accuracy.

Oh my God - you're a machine!!! :scan:

Thank you for this brilliant work - this unit pack is so detailed, various and HUGE, I can't believe :crazyeye:

I...uh...holy...uh...that's ridiculously amazing! The time it must have taken to get all those models looking so great is astonishing. Thanks for the quality work!

The scale of this is phenomenal, yes you used the same animations but we all know you still had to re-render them all for each different model. And about those animations, they're great as always.

:thumbsup:

Wow! Great job on all of these! :goodjob:

I can't see the previews (but thanks for theses units. Needed Amerindians flavor units badly).

They will all go into the Native American mod as soon as I get back to it. Trust me that project is not dead.

I can't see the previews (but thanks for theses units. Needed Amerindians flavor units badly).

Yeah, I can`t see the pictures anymore either. Could he be updating them? :mischief:

All images from my CivFanatics` storage are not working. I don`t know what`s the problem.

Good I thought it was my computer because I cant see any of the units.

From all the "Holy God" and "...Oh... My... God..." comments, and from the quality Sandris's other units, I can tell these are good. Problem is: the download itself isn't working for me! Is it just me, or are other people experiencing this too? When I try to download, it says: "ERROR: File not found."

Server is probably down.

No download is working, and I cannot see any image in the download database.

I can't see a preview image either...

I read all your guys' comments, and now I CAN'T WAIT to see and download these units! Flip! Talk about tantalizing!!! :crazyeye: Get that server back up and running! :whipped:

Hacked by Zar0x zarox w4s h3re

Apparently the upload server was hacked. :mad:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/

How intelligent.

These people think they are smart, but all they deserve is having their heart taken out from the chest, with a little spoon.

Are all the files gone? :( :mad:

This deserves some violent smilies.

:wallbash: :thumbsdown: :sad: :eek: :( :cry: :mad: :aargh: [pissed] :ar15: :sniper: :vomit: :deadhorse:

... Damnit.
Are the files gone? Or can they be recovered?

I checked, I think the files are still there, but the images are all missing....someone seriously did a major hackjob...

But.. why? It must some sad creature.. if thats what he consideres fun..

I wonder if they can trace the IP...

I wonder if they can trace the IP...

I hope they can trace his home and put it to the torch

Judging by the comments, this must be quite a pack- I can't wait to see it! :)

I hope they can trace his home and put it to the torch

I'm working on it...

tracing or torching? :hmm:

unfornately I checked and due to the hack these units can no longer be downloaded...:mad: and its not just these files, its any files...

Hacked by Zar0x zarox w4s h3reWhat a frickin' arse. I've got all sorts of weapons; all we need is the address. :ninja: :ar15: :sniper:

Ah crap I hope everything isn't all lost. :(

I checked all my stuff, the older links all work except for the download database links and the pictures I've uploaded on the newer upload system.

How intelligent.

These people think they are smart, but all they deserve is having their heart taken out from the chest, with a little spoon.
Only if I may tear out his kidneys and appendix through his mouth :please:
But.. why? It must some sad creature.. if thats what he consideres fun..
Must be a disgruntled OT poster...
I wonder if they can trace the IP...
Probably bounced it through so many proxies it'd take ages to trace. Still worth it.
What a frickin' arse. I've got all sorts of weapons; all we need is the address. :ninja: :ar15: :sniper:
I'll see if I can borrow my uncle's howitzer. Maybe some other stuff, but we don't have a whole lot weapon wise at my house.

Now Now, A howitzer causes to much collateral damage, and a bullet can injure an inocent bystandard. Even if you hit him-her a through-and-through can still kill another person. I prefer something more personal. Like duct taping him-her to a solid wooden chair and shattering every bone joint from the toes to the neck, avioding the ribbs (could punture a lung) and the spinal cord (want him-her to feel the glorious pain). this way you get your target with no collateral dammage. Steph's idea is nice and painful but over to soon I think.


BTW, I DO NOT seriusly recomend that somebody do this, I'm just upset like everyone els is.

Anyone have any idea how long it could take to fix this, non of the websites I visit have had this happen befor

Now Now, A howitzer causes to much collateral damage, and a bullet can injure an inocent bystandard. Even if you hit him-her a through-and-through can still kill another person. I prefer something more personal. Like duct taping him-her to a solid wooden chair and shattering every bone joint from the toes to the neck, avioding the ribbs (could punture a lung) and the spinal cord (want him-her to feel the glorious pain). this way you get your target with no collateral dammage. Steph's idea is nice and painful but over to soon I think.

It doesn't cause collateral damage if you hit his house dead on. You could also use a weak bullet. But it will also get the point across that you are definitely not taking any prisoners.

Perhaps a few dozen paintballs to the family jewels? Yes, I have been watching the TV series Jacka-- :rockon:

All artillery rounds explode, most at a specified hight from ground level to maximize the shrapnel affect. Any round that explodes will cause collateral damage, unless it explodes in a space that confines the explosion. I witnessed a barage once trust me.


But I like your idea with the paint balls Tank Guy, both painfull and not over to quickly.


But I'm not going to post anymore threads like this again. In our anger we have posted things that are counterproductive and take away from the spirit of this thread. I think it is time to move forward.

But I like your idea with the paint balls Tank Guy, both painfull and not over to quickly
Paint balls to paint the balls :goodjob:

Everything uploaded since last July is gone, gone, gone. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/announcement.php?f=19&a=503)

Now we have to slog. & those of us, like me, who have had drive failures, etc. in the meanwhile are going to need help from those who have downloaded our stuff.

After I lost my whole computer early this year, I re downloaded almost everything.

I'm not sure I have ALL the files, but at least a good part of them.

Yes, there's going to a lot up re-uploading going on.

I made a thread about this here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=265866), so please keep any discussion of this problem not directly related to Sandris' units there or in the Site Feedback thread that it links to. Then it's easier to know who needs help tracing backups of their units or whatever.

I have re-uploaded all of my current Native American units, so you can download them from the Downloads Database. :)

What about the other units of mine I will re-upload all of them in a day or two, so don`t worry. :)

Enjoy. :)

Don't make the same mistake again, to upload everything onto one single server (the Database server). When uploading it is always best to offer mirror links elsewhere...

From now on, we'll be doing daily backup of all the site files, for both the forum site and main site, to make sure we don't have this kind of data loss again in the future.

If you are a modder, you can help us return things back to normal by checking your files in the Downloads Database and edit those files that have broken download link to re-upload the file.


So, don`t worry. :) :cool:

holy . .. .. .. . batman great units and lots of them :goodjob:
and wtf about the hack :(

I managed to down load the first chapter I think before the uploads were hacked but today I'm tryinh to download the second chapter and there doesn't seem to b any link to go to to download it. Sandris however says he re-uploaded everything.

The second chapter is only a preview to make us drool.

There's no download yet.

Sandris, what do your new title and avatar hint to :mischief:?

Sandris, what do your new title and avatar hint to :mischief:?

I`m getting tuned on French unit line. ;)

What a nice surprise! I hope you have some good reference images to help you :mischief:

These are great!

There's some weird glitch in the apache flintlock's attack animation, when facing west. You see, there's no animation at all - just a big cyan square. I've no idea how that got to be like that.

Or am I the only one with this glitch?

EDIT:

Actually, the Apache attack anim doesn't have attack animation to N-direction. The N shows animation to NW, and NW shows animation to W - and W shows cyan box.

In the first picture there are 9 tribes and they are named. In the 2nd picture there is 12 of them, what are the extras? :)

Fantastic units. Thank you, Sandris!

All we need now is the scalp of the bloody hacker.

Fantastic units. Thank you, Sandris!

All we need now is the scalp of the bloody hacker.

i second that request...

Wow... Now i see thems and they are great ! I see how give somes to my two north amerindian civs.

Can we have the name of the tribes for the tomahawks, please ?

These are great!

There's some weird glitch in the apache flintlock's attack animation, when facing west. You see, there's no animation at all - just a big cyan square. I've no idea how that got to be like that.

Or am I the only one with this glitch?

EDIT:

Actually, the Apache attack anim doesn't have attack animation to N-direction. The N shows animation to NW, and NW shows animation to W - and W shows cyan box.

I have the same faults.

All artillery rounds explode, most at a specified hight from ground level to maximize the shrapnel affect. Any round that explodes will cause collateral damage, unless it explodes in a space that confines the explosion. I witnessed a barage once trust me.
I meant firing directly into the building, then having the shell detonate. Yes, I know how artillery shells work.

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On topic:
Now that I can see the units, I understand why everyone was complimenting them. They're awesome!

I`ve repaired the Apache attack animation. How it would be better - to reupload the whole pack or to post it somewhere else ?

I`ve repaired the Apache attack animation. How it would be better - to reupload the whole pack or to post it somewhere else ?

I'd try to re-upload. If it fails to upload, then you'll know whether or not to post it elsewhere.

I suggest you upload the whole pack again, we are repairing the DB anyway

The Apache animation is fixed. I have reuploaded the First Chapter. Check the post #1.

Wow, those look amazing! Is there some reason the Apache and Cheyenne have different guns?

The preview of the second chapter looks even more amazing than the first. This is a truly epic pack; the attention to detail on those models is fabulous. Very obviously a labour of love.

very cool unit pack, and very nice attention to details

Wow. Yet more excellent work :thumbsup: I see the number of units in my mod multiplying dramatically. :)

Best,

Oz

Wow, those look amazing! Is there some reason the Apache and Cheyenne have different guns?

That was just one of the experiments during the work process.


Thank you all for appreciating the current work.

Amazing work Sandris. Makes you realise just how rich and diverse native American culture was.

Utterly outstanding. I'm at a loss for words.

Really Sandris this is amazing, utterly amazing. We will have the units, now we just need for me and others(I will need help) to put together the mod.

Aghhhhh! Everytime I'm about to publish my mod you come with even more awesome units that I now have to find a way to fit into the game! :lol:

With all these fantastic units coming out, and Wyrm soon starting on ships and tanks, I wonder if I ever happen to play instead of updating my mod. ;)

Hummm... the answer is a clear.... 'maybe' - earliest in a few years ;)

I never play! I only playtest. ;)

oh the previews are working again. Really cool units, I can't wait for pack 2

The Apache animation is fixed. I have reuploaded the First Chapter. Check the post #1.
Thank you for the fix. I noticed you posted some of the artwork that inspired these units will you be making horse units also?

I hope so, there are currently no(unless you count Steph's conversions) horseback mounted gun-using native cavalry.

Absolutely fantastic. I can't decide which is my favorite. You did an excellent job of making each of them distinctive.

Anyone ever seen Hostel?

Magnificent work :clap: very colorful and detailed. Just wonderful :goodjob:

Thank you for the fix. I noticed you posted some of the artwork that inspired these units will you be making horse units also?

Of course. :)

Anyone ever seen Hostel?

I`ve seen the both movies. :scan:

Thankyou for making these units Sandris..

Chapter one is amazing. I can't wait for chapter two. You've outdone yourself with these units.:goodjob:

Did I tell you you're like a god?
Because you are. :worship:

The Second Chapter is released. Check the thread #2. Enjoy ! :)

Another breath-taking set! I peeked at the concept art for your 3rd set - I hope you're going to make the Wyandot chief. The interesting mix of Euro & indigenous costume would make an outstanding King or GL unit for several of the Eastern tribes. And maybe you ought to also try making an LH of him.

Wh00t! Thanks, Sandris!

OMW.....Great units.....Can't really say how good they are in words really...your so talented...an artist really Sandris.

Once I get the leaders and cities up for NAMII and the tech trees up I can't wait to sort out all the units availible, (Kinboats and Utahs old units I'm going to have to decide on what to do with) and your new ones will diffinitely be used.

If you have any specific requests on new Mesoamerican and Native American units to be included in upcoming unit packs, you could post the pics and descriptions in this thread. :)

Very impressive..........I would like to see Native American horse units with a lance (spear) as well as with muskets. Then there would be flavor units to replace the horseman or knight and cavalry.

If you have any specific requests on new Mesoamerican and Native American units to be included in upcoming unit packs, you could post the pics and descriptions in this thread. :)

Heres what Shiro posted the best of which I'll post here:

Moche:

Clubman and Warrior Priest:
http://www.garyhuntminiatures.com/_southAmericans.html
Spearman: http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa79/Vuk_Brankovic/ITW/2-1.jpg
Axeman: http://www.carloschaquiras.com/images/coleccion/esculturas/esc099.jpg
Archer: http://www.carloschaquiras.com/images/coleccion/esculturas/esc086.htm

Tlingit/Haida:

Musketman: http://www.civilization.ca/aborig/nwca/images/nwcah17d.jpg
Archer: http://www.shannonthunderbird.com/Warrior.jpg
Warrior: http://www.civilization.ca/aborig/haida/images/havwa02b.jpg

Sandris, this is totally out of hand! I was just thinking to myself this morning, "there are more Sandris native Americans coming..." and here they are, in glorious excess! :crazyeye: (And just last night I watched the ever-controversial Apocalypto and had a wonderfully fun time...)

I'm scanning some clear simple color images & B&W line drawings of Tlingit/Haida right now. I'll edit this post with them - hopefully in a couple of hours.


Edit:

Two Galleries (they're very large, hence the thumbnails) -

Top Row: Haida + 2 Kwakiutl
Middle Row: Nootka & a couple of related tribes (for the sake of some variations in the cedar bark garments
Bottom Row: Tlingit

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3189/haidatlingitst9.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haidatlingitst9.jpg)


Two rows of tribes living a little further south but still considered NW tribes. Maybe some ideas here for headdress variations or or early era units.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2546/alliedsouthch2.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alliedsouthch2.jpg)

Some notes on colors

On all the Haida/Tlingit/Kwakiutl clothes I have seen (Southwestern/Gene Autry Museum, American Natural History Museum, Museum of the American Indian) the predominant decorative colors are red, black, & white. The white is often button/bead work - abalone, mother of pearl, etc. The woven basket hats are black & natural straw colored.
In the illustrations you will see some blue - this was a very rare dye color until contact with the Europeans. If indigo clothes were gained in trade they were often leeched of all their dye rather than worn. Those might be good places for civ color.



postscript: all the images are by David Rickman from the Dover Press "Northwest Coast Indians" coloring book.

They are just awesome! The colors are just.. amazing. Thank you Sandris!

... And the crowd cheered, "HUZZAH!" :rockon:

Wow... so many. So well made. Thank you.

Every day you're making it harder to think of the day you may have to leave. :( :)

Every day you're making it harder to think of the day you may have to leave. :( :)

:confused: Did I miss an announcement of some sort?

No, thankfully not. I was just thinking I don't wanna see this guy go.

With every chapter you exceed my wildest expectations. Kudos to you.

Sandris! What can I say that someone has not yet said to your work? Great! I put your units as possible in my Mod!

Sandris! What can I say that someone has not yet said to your work? Great! I put your units as possible in my Mod!

Too true, at post #122 there's not much each left to say. I too, try and put as many of these into my mods as possible. In fact, I just made a flavored version of the epic game just to have a place to put them all (and Varwnos' 3D cities). Thank you so much for these Sandris!

EDIT: Since you asked, I'd love to see some Inuit (Eskimo) units. Really just any unit wearing warm fur clothes would do for my purposes, but I found you some inspiration (I have more if you want):

171600
171601
171602
171603
171604

I have no words too. Simply GREAT!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

:goodjob:
These will add greatly to my mod. Thank you, Sandris!:)

Sandris really you know how to get to us with your packs, great work one more time. Exquisitez.

Your attention to historical details is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really good.
I cannot wait to see the next chapter

being part native american myself, this pack receives my most sincere gratitude.

Sandris, what is the possibility you could also make a Native American army unit?

Sandris, what is the possibility you could also make a Native American army unit?

Well, it surely deserves to be made. What are your proposals on Warchief`s look ? :)

Almost any of the gunpowder units you already made would serve as a good Native American Army unit. Especially the Sioux, Pawnee or Choctaw. Instead of holding a flag like the stock army units do, maybe you could have him holding a lance with different colored feathers attached to it something along the lines of Kinboat's Roman Army.
The reason for my increased interest is a scenario I am working on that has Pirates, European, and Native American Indian civilizations.

Army Leader Ideas:
http://www.pegasomodels.com.cn/Picture/75-030_2.jpg
http://www.pegasomodels.com.cn/Picture/54-230_1.jpg

The reason for my increased interest is a scenario I am working on that has Pirates, European, and Native American Indian civilizations.

Oh, oh!! you're still working on it?! :bounce: I had not seen anything for a long time. :)

Oh, oh!! you're still working on it?! :bounce: I had not seen anything for a long time. :)
Yes once I have everything fleshed out I will make a preview type thread. El Justo is proving to be an invaluable friend for bouncing ideas off of.
The more wonderful units that Sandris releases the more the unit lines are becoming filled in.

Too true, at post #122 there's not much each left to say. I too, try and put as many of these into my mods as possible. In fact, I just made a flavored version of the epic game just to have a place to put them all (and Varwnos' 3D cities). Thank you so much for these Sandris!

EDIT: Since you asked, I'd love to see some Inuit (Eskimo) units. Really just any unit wearing warm fur clothes would do for my purposes, but I found you some inspiration (I have more if you want)

Pardon me for bumping a thread that hasn't seen some action in a while, but I would like to second this notion. Keep an eye on my own thread for more unit requests: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=292253

I'll post more later this week (hopefully tonight). I'm especially interested in getting units that are Eskimo, Northwest Coast, Athabaskan, or Aleut...and I expect that I'll be using some of Sandris' units in the mod I'm working on.