If you are lost or confused about what is going on, please post in here for your questions or confusions. This will help us write documentation later.

I'm a bit confused by the sub-forums.

Why is "Initial forum content & ramp-up discussion" in Laws & Regulations?
Where should I post something about city micromangament when the game has started?

I'm a bit confused by the sub-forums.

Why is "Initial forum content & ramp-up discussion" in Laws & Regulations?
Where should I post something about city micromangament when the game has started?


1. Initial forum content & Ramp up should be in the main thread
2. City Micromanagement should go into the gameplay subforum.

As this is my first demo game...is there a sub forum for rp discussion? If so, could you please point me in the right direction.

You are in it! :)

So, I'm very confused. Are there rules somewhere that describe how this all works?

I see that all factions have to be tied to despotism for now. Does that mean that new factions will be invented by people as new government civics are discovered?

How is the ruling faction chosen, and how does this change? What kinds of things are controlled by the ruling faction, vs. what things are controlled by the entire voting citizenry?

Each faction has a BtS leaderhead with two traits. Does that mean that someone goes into worldbuilder and changes the leader when the faction changes?

So, I'm very confused. Are there rules somewhere that describe how this all works?
We are in the process of finalizing the rules. Look in the Laws and Regulation forum, in the thread titled Finalize Ruleset or something like that.

I see that all factions have to be tied to despotism for now. Does that mean that new factions will be invented by people as new government civics are discovered?
Yes. Or whenever you want to, really.

How is the ruling faction chosen, and how does this change? What kinds of things are controlled by the ruling faction, vs. what things are controlled by the entire voting citizenry?
This is included in the Ruleset thread I directed you to. Basically, the ruling faction decides pretty much everything. Only basic rules like term length, reporting events in-game, etc. are set in stone.

Each faction has a BtS leaderhead with two traits. Does that mean that someone goes into worldbuilder and changes the leader when the faction changes?
To make the first election even more exciting, the faction that gets elected will determine our leader for all eternity. So, if the Mysticracy Faction gets put into power first, the leader would be Brennus (as of now) forever, even if (when) another faction comes into power.

what are the faction choices

I'm not seeing a new user group, so does that mean being a member of the first or second group is enough?

There is none at this time.

what are the faction choices

You will see threads in this forum titled "Warlord Faction" or Philosophers of the Legion Faction." This is where each faction will define themselves.

Hi all,
I'm kinda new to this forum, and tired of playing Civ on my own. I feel like playing this "demogame". However i don't quite fully understand the basics of a demogame.
Can someone link me to a thread where i can read the concepts of a demogame and also where i can sign up for demogame III?

I'll probably be watching only in the beginning...

Hello all, I'd like to join in this Demogame, had minimal experience with the last one, joined at the beginning and took part in the exciting but fractured naming process, but then RL took over (uni . . . ) and couldn't take part other than the odd lurk here and there.

Working now and lucky enough to be able to visit and participate most if not all days.

One question though is this, or is there going to be, a sign up/user list thread like the last Demogame? Or is this it and I have now signed up?

Cheers in advance.

Can someone link me to a thread where i can read the concepts of a demogame
We are still amking the rules but if you look in the rules and regulation forum you should find what you are looking for.

also where i can sign up for demogame III?

Or is this it and I have now signed up?

Currently there is no user group so posting and voting make you part of the demogame! :)

Thanks for answering my questions. I stumbled accross the rules subforum shortly after making my post, and felt stupid.

Basically, the ruling faction decides pretty much everything. Only basic rules like term length, reporting events in-game, etc. are set in stone.

That sounds pretty unfun for members of other factions. What are they supposed to do to stay interested in the game? And won't everyone just flock to the faction that takes power? I would think playing the Civ game would be a lot more fun than not playing it.

Or am I missing the point, and do people around here love roleplaying and not care about Civ THAT much?

I would think playing the Civ game would be a lot more fun than not playing it.

Or am I missing the point, and do people around here love roleplaying and not care about Civ THAT much?

Some people do, the faction in power still needs to have the will of the people to get what it wants done, and there are elections to determine the faction

I play Civ all the time! This is another avenue for expanding on that experience. Part of the challenge here would be keeping your faction in power as long as possible, so in a way this demogame is really a long string of many mini-games.

I play Civ all the time! This is another avenue for expanding on that experience. Part of the challenge here would be keeping your faction in power as long as possible, so in a way this demogame is really a long string of many mini-games.

Exactly, and there is a chance of a rebellion every two weeks or possibly even more frequently. Consequently the faction in power needs to keep the people happy or face life on the outs for a while.

what are the faction choices

There is an index thread here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=266609) that contains all of the factions and guilds.

Okay, as this is my first demogame (although I've come up with personal ideas for one), I see that this is all a bit overwhelming at first, but I have the jist of it, or so I hope.

Am I correct in my assumption that as of now, no game has started, and we're working out the initial settings?

I'm assuming that whoever is considered the initial leader selects the Civ name and leader, and all that, but who controls the movement of the units and the founding of the cities?

The leader and we just role play around it?

Am I correct in my assumption that as of now, no game has started, and we're working out the initial settings?

Yes

I'm assuming that whoever is considered the initial leader selects the Civ name and leader, and all that, but who controls the movement of the units and the founding of the cities?

Certainly the leader, not sure about name. the intial rulers control everything about the demogame

Yes



Certainly the leader, not sure about name. the intial rulers control everything about the demogame

And we just role play around that as citizens?

And we just role play around that as citizens?

What ever you want, in previous demogames we set up a mock eccomny and things like that. Once we get started you will begin to see how it works a lot better then.

(my first two weeks of the demogame consisted of making stupid suggestions and not having a clue, in fact that hasn't really changed :p so you are not alone! :))

What ever you want, in previous demogames we set up a mock eccomny and things like that. Once we get started you will begin to see how it works a lot better then.

(my first two weeks of the demogame consisted of making stupid suggestions and not having a clue, in fact that hasn't really changed :p so you are not alone! :))

Still sounds pretty BA.

BA? Bass Ackwards?

Well, basically, we should be electing our first prime faction soon? Then that first prime faction will start the game? However, I'm still unclear about the whole civilization choice and civ leader choice...I'm pretty sure that's set in stone after you start the game right?

That second paragraph should be all we have to work out to get started right???

'm pretty sure that's set in stone after you start the game right?

Yes of course, but we are still discussing the details, have a look in the poll sub fourm, we have polled (somme of them now closed) a lot of the options you get at the start of the game, and if there isn't a option that hasn't been polled, then raise the issue (post in the laws and regulation fourm.)

What is the difference between a guild and a faction?

What is the difference between a guild and a faction?

Guilds are more like social organizations of like minded political medlers...areas where joaks are exchanged and lots of trash-talking occurs or areas where RP ensues they range from free-flowing to secret societies. However, the key difference is that they never get elected as a prime faction. You can also be in as many guilds as you want, but only one faction at a time.

What is the difference between a guild and a faction?

A faction is a body of people trying to get control of the government with their platform, a guild is a body of people trying to encourage social activities and factions to adpot certain policies.

If factions are like political parties then guilds are like the lobbyists.

A couple questions I'm having trouble finding the answers too....

When you join a faction, are you stuck in that faction for the remaining life of the game? In other words if the game goes to 2050 AD will I be in the faction for the entire time?

Why aren't there factions for the non-government civics? Why not a beauracratic faction, or an organized religion faction?

If factions are like political parties then guilds are like the lobbyists.

QED, croxis.

A couple questions I'm having trouble finding the answers too....

When you join a faction, are you stuck in that faction for the remaining life of the game? In other words if the game goes to 2050 AD will I be in the faction for the entire time?

Why aren't there factions for the non-government civics? Why not a beauracratic faction, or an organized religion faction?

As to the first question, I have been told that factions are expected to disolve and return under a new banner quite often as new government civics are researched. Which would free you I guess to move to a new faction, however, you cannot leave said faction until after their term is up, and you can only be in one faction at a time. (I'm sure some of the more wisened veterans can further clarify?)

As to the second question, I think that's more of what's in a given faction's platform, and additionally, the public decided to have "penalty" civics which a given government civic could not adopt, which lead to factions being centered around various government civics.

Right now, the only government civic available is Despotism.

I envision new factions down the road as new civics become available.

There are also guilds, who act like lobyists, as Croxis put it, to pursuade the factions in their choices, among which would be their factions platform on non-government factions.

Since my head is starting to hurt a bit, I'll leave that fertilizer on the ground, in hopes that someone plants better seeds than mine.

When you join a faction, are you stuck in that faction for the remaining life of the game? In other words if the game goes to 2050 AD will I be in the faction for the entire time?
You are free to change factions at any time. However, you can only be in one faction at a time.

Why aren't there factions for the non-government civics? Why not a beauracratic faction, or an organized religion faction?
You could create an organized religion faction, but it still has to be tied to some sort of government. After all, you still need a way to run things, even if your main goal is to implement organized religion. We have 4 factions right now, each emphasizing different things, but all tied to despotism. No reason why those "different things" couldn't be other civics, we just don't have any yet :)

A faction devoted to an undiscovered government civic can be created, but it cannot become the Prime Faction until that government civic is available. To avoid the limitation of individuals belonging to only one faction, it might be easier to push for a new government civic via a guild, and then create a faction when it is available. That would also be a moment ripe for rebellion.

What is one of the first things a newbie should do? I apologise for such a silly question, but I enjoy roleplaying and I want to "get into the game". :P

Check out the factions and join one, or don't. We're really in the starting stages of the game, and are just about ready to start.

So if we don't want to join any faction, is there a true PUBLIC forum not tied to factions.

Where can I just wax philosophical on politics?

Maybe I care for none of these so-called rulers...where do I bring my grievances?

Questions, questions my friends, where are they answered?

Poverty's Pub (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=265534) is a good place for general discussion.

You're also welcome to start your own guild (which is really just a roleplaying discussion thread). The topic you suggest sounds fun, and may be a bit heavy for the pub's regulars. Though the food and drink there does lubricate discussion pretty well.

Poverty's Pub (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=265534) is a good place for general discussion.

You're also welcome to start your own guild (which is really just a roleplaying discussion thread). The topic you suggest sounds fun, and may be a bit heavy for the pub's regulars. Though the food and drink there does lubricate discussion pretty well.

If required to be serious I believe we can. Just mention that you want to be serious about what you are saying, and are not just messing around :D

Or start your own version for more serious talk, I'm sure you'll find some people interested ;)

So... can I still join? Or has it already started? Or does it not matter? :P

Certainly you can still join.

Ok I have asked to join the Philosophers of the Legion. Do I need to sign up somewhere or is this sufficient?

Ok I have asked to join the Philosophers of the Legion. Do I need to sign up somewhere or is this sufficient?

You also need to register as a citizen in the Citizen Registry (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=266332) thread.

Thanks I've registered now.

Good to have you here. Can you sign up here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=267159

Also don't forget to vote for Triad in the election:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=269194

I've got a question regarding the Triad: What is the thread of the Triad where internal affairs are being discussed etc? I couldn't find it...

EDIT: Nevermind, already found it! :D

Lost! It happened again to me.
"Loading HOF" , "HOF invalid,ignoring" , "needs HOF" and the infinite loop goes on.
It looks I would need the MOD to open the saves; and I fear all the MODs, they
always brought me trouble.
So, unhappily, I'm out. Have fun,people, i'll kurk.
Best regards,

*beats fed on the head*

The greatest annoyance of a Tech Support person is when the end user just says "Its broken" and provides no additional information.

Also you do not need the save to effectively play, ample screenshots are provided.

Fed, we have the download setup to automatically install the mod in its correct location. Download it from this link (http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/mods/HOF-3.13.001.exe). It is an .exe file. Once it is downloaded you merely double click on it and it'll self install. Then whenever you double click on the DGIII save the save will cause the hof mod to automatically load.

Fed, if you prefer my help when you do it just IM me. I'll gladly walk you through it. Tomorrow I'll be busy, so just IM me sometime on Monday or any other day next week.

It doesn't look like the prime coalition has the "make enough info available for anyone to know what's going on without opening the save" thing under control very well. ;)

Croxis: The words I wrote " " were the ones that appeared on my monitor when I tried to
run the save. You know,the biggest problem of the ignorant is that he cannot say the
relevant symptoms or ask the right questions.
Methos: Thanks a lot,pal. We shall meet when you can.I'll wait. Thank you again.
DaveShack: Sure, but even with all information, I really need the game (i.e.the save) to
play the game.
My best regards,

What are the current government civics accessible to new factions?

Still only Despotism.
The first other available will be Hereditary Rule once we discover Monarchy

Now we have Monarchy.