Please give propositions for Elite Infantry - just one per country.

Germany - Waffen SS
USA - Rangers
Poland - Carpatian Rifles
Italy - Bersaglieri
Great Britain - British Commandos
Soviet Union - Soviet Snipers
Australia - Desert Rats
France - French Foreign Legion
Spain - Spanish Legion
Finland - Jaegers

Probably some countries shouldn't have any.

The Rangers only comprised 3000 men at any given time, out of millions of soldiers thats negligible. Maybe the Airborne units could be considered elite compared to german paratroops?

The SAS was formed in 1941 and had similarly small numbers. The British Elite infantry would probably be Commandos instead.

Ski Infantry for the Finns for sure.

Soviet Union would be the NKVD units.

The Black Shirts were a pre war paramilitary group and not an organized army unit.

I updated the list

I agree with that not all country should have elite infantry.
They would be limited in game (so no more than 10 Waffen SS units or SAS) but as in real life they'll be best of the best. So they don't need to be numerous - they need to be best of the best (elite, special forces, with great fame in battles, and/or unique for this country) - more stronger than standard infantry + some othe abilities (depends of types of elite infantry it might be paradrop abilities, bonuses vs some other types of units, extra bonuses).

About Airborne - yes i was considering this, but they already appear in the game as paratroopers (the same goes for Fallschirmjaeger).
The Rangers and SAS could also make paradrop missions, but they would be stronger and mixed with other abilities

Blackshirts were used in combat, but you're right, maybe we can find something better for italy. Any propozitions? Bersaglieri?

I think something like "winter warfare infantry" would be better for finland.
I would'nt like to see an infantryman with skis on desert or plains. :D (without snow of course)

Canada, doesn't seem to have anything elite.

Spain would be the Spanish Legion (similar to FFL)

Bersaglieri for sure is the Italian elite unit.

And if you are limiting the # of units then the Rangers would be the American elite unit.

While I agree that units on skis in the plains and desert would be weird, I doubt that Finnish troops would be in the desert. It is historically accurate to use ski troops. They would have a movement advantage and defend well, especially in tundra and snow.

Ok. I agree that. Place much snow and tundra to Finland! The Ski infantry would well get some advantage against armored units. (They invented and used the molotov coctail.)

I would like to ask if there is an Winter War scenario in the mod? That would be cool!

They used the Molotov cocktail, but it was invented in Spain during the Spanish Civil War.

Well, anyways some advantage against armored units.

Yeah bonus against armored units and infantry - they had great numbers of snipers + of course bonus to movement in tundra and snow. So how they should be called? "winter warfare infantry"? or they have specific name?

Ok i remove canada from list. I also don't heared about elite units with great fame that participated during ww2

And what about soviet union? (i would like to use nkvd as replacement for military police for soviet union like it was in warlords version). I was thinking about snipers - soviet union had a lot of them, paralizing german soldiers for hours. Besides the famous sniper was from Soviet Union - Vasiliev .... (i forgot surname) who killed more than 400 germans :) Did they had specific formations or were just part of regular army?

Finnish soldiers during the WW2 (Winter and Continuation Wars) was called to jaegers (jääkäri in finnish) so actually the finnish army didn't have any "special troops". Only a small (about 50.000 men) but well equipped and well trained army.
About the weaponry: they used the "Suomi-konepistooli" ("Finland-submachinegun") that was the best submachinegun during the WW2. Not snipers. And of course they used white snow costumes making them hard to see in snow. Russians used same costumes in the Continuation War against Finland. (In the Winter War Russian troops were very vulnerable in snow because they had dark costums.)

NKVD troops saw battle on a regular basis, but I agree they should have "police" abilities as well. You could also give combat bonuses for units in their square or adjacent to represent commissars.

Best scene in I think it was Medal of Honor where the commisars keep sending troops up a slope in Leningard with no weapons and telling them to pick up the weapons of the fallen.

According to Wikipedia, Salis is right about "snipers" for the Finns, they apparently used anti-tank weapons to kill Russian snipers but don't seem to have their own.

Great Britain should have commandos rather than the SAS, because they accounted for more raids (certainly the more famous ones) than the SAS. Just a personally prefence. And they if you are giving them promotions then give them amphipous (spelt badly!) and possibly be able to paradrop.

Finland had some great snipers, Finland should have ski infantry, and sniper unit too. We had the best sniper ever Simo häyhä(=white dead) 542 confirmed kills. + Sulo Kolkka (400+ kills)

Finland had some great snipers, Finland should have ski infantry, and sniper unit too. We had the best sniper ever Simo häyhä(=white dead) 542 confirmed kills. + Sulo Kolkka (400+ kills)

I think only problem with snipers is that they were not "unique" to Finland.
Other countries usedd snipers too.

Yeah the snipers were popular unit in WW2 and they didn't make groups. The soviet made squads, from what i red Finland din't made squads.

BTW What do you think about Rota Osobogo Naznacheniya for Soviet Union? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_commando_frogmen
Looking on the amount of data they weren't popular :(

I'm for 'Soviet Snipers' for Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_sniper
eventually more specified Kremlyovskiy polk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlin_Regiment
and 'Finnish Ski Infantry' for Finland (I must admit that this will be the only one country with ski infantry in mod).
And 'British Commandos' For Great Britain

I think finnish soldiers would be rather called to "jaegers" than "ski infantry".

Sweden's are probably the paratroopers, "fallskärmsjägare".

Sweden's are probably the paratroopers, "fallskärmsjägare".

Germany had these "fallskärmsjägare" too. They just called them to "fallschirmsjägers".

Waffen SS troops are not the conterparts to the UK's SAS. The Waffen SS were elite field troops and not commandos. The closest thing the Germans had to commandos (such as the SAS and the OSS) were the Brandenburgers and Skorzeny's commandos.

The former were an elite commando regiment, set up by the Abwehr (German intelligence service) under the guidance of Admiral Canaris. These commandos spoke a variety of languages and were experts in unconventional warfare tactics such as demolitions and infiltration. They were deployed in almost every theatre including North Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburgers

Skorzeny's commandos, were an elite commando formation set up by the SS (Himmler was obsessed to rival Canaris and his Brandenburgers) and were involved in numerous operations including the rescue of Mussolini, Operation Knight's Leap in the Balkans and Operation Greif in the Ardennes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

Since the UK will be getting the SAS, it is only fitting that the Germans get their own commandos imho. I'm also in favour that only the major powers get these special units.

Finnish soldiers during the WW2 (Winter and Continuation Wars) was called to jaegers (jääkäri in finnish) so actually the finnish army didn't have any "special troops". Only a small (about 50.000 men) but well equipped and well trained army.
About the weaponry: they used the "Suomi-konepistooli" ("Finland-submachinegun") that was the best submachinegun during the WW2. Not snipers. And of course they used white snow costumes making them hard to see in snow. Russians used same costumes in the Continuation War against Finland. (In the Winter War Russian troops were very vulnerable in snow because they had dark costums.)

I vote for jääkäri (is elite force) the are the best trained and best equipped, and the will most likely know how to ski :lol: How would we only have 50 000 men in the whole army at wartime? It has to be more maybe close to 200 000

@CivWarlords - Otto Skorzenny Commandos are part of SS so i think i choosed well Waffen SS (besides we already have model for it).

OK Here's the list after your propositions:

Germany - Waffen SS
USA - Rangers
Poland - Carpatian Rifles
Italy - Bersaglieri
Great Britain - British Commandos
Soviet Union - Soviet Snipers
Australia - Desert Rats
France - French Foreign Legion
Spain - Spanish Legion
Finland - Jaegers

this is for Warlord's right :sad:

it's for Warlords 2.08, but new version under BTS would be complited soon (1-2 months) and Elite Infantry will appear there :).

I vote for jääkäri (is elite force) the are the best trained and best equipped, and the will most likely know how to ski :lol: How would we only have 50 000 men in the whole army at wartime? It has to be more maybe close to 200 000

Oops! I meant 250 000 men. lol

Oops! I meant 250 000 men. lolYeah that seem right :)

i cant wait for this to come out on BtS :)

not many good WWII mods for BtS

:band:

Yeah. Its not many good ww2 mods for BtS. RtW is good but the lack of UI and bonuses is irritating. I hope this will be the best BtS ww2 mod ever! ;)

Hmmm I would definatly go with Red Guard for for the USSR guys.

i dont think the red guard were elite :)

i would go for snipers, or NKVD that has police abilities

for waffen SS could u use the kind that actually saw action in the field?(camo jacket)
the SS with the trench coat were used for ceremonial and bodyguard purposes, am i wrong?

Yeah red guard wasn't elite imo too.

Waffen ss would have camo jacket. :)

Well it is silly to say Soviet Snipers, are they weren't elite either, nor were there entire sniper divisions.

As for Guard regiments, that title was awarded to regiments which distinguished themselves through heroism and exceptional victories. Without a doubt the most significant title which an entire division could attain. I truly see no alternative if contrasting elite infantry such as Waffen SS or Commandos, then The Guards are the russian equivalent. As a Russian, I really think having divisions named Soviet Snipers sounds utterly ridiculous. But hey its not my mod is it :-)

after reading wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Guards

i would say that the red guards would fit the roll

Yeah that make sense. I would bet that couple of days ago i red on wiki about RedGuard and it was written only about theire fight during revolution in 1917.
I agree they fit better than soviet snipers. Thx.

:) at first i wasn´t able to find the red guards in wiki, than i found the same entry you found and than ... (sometimes wiki is at little "strange")

YAY victory! The Guard regiments were re-introduced shortly after the invasion and became somewhat common by '43. The title could be applied to motorized divisions as well

yea i didnt exactly say they shud be called "soviet snipers". but will there be a sniper unit available for all nations then?

Peronally I find it very stupid to have any sort of sniper in the game. Each unit is supposed a brigade or a division, so in any of those snipers would already be incorporated.

Yeah i don't know how this snipper could work :(

ok :(

btw do u have screenshots of these elite infantries?

Peronally I find it very stupid to have any sort of sniper in the game. Each unit is supposed a brigade or a division, so in any of those snipers would already be incorporated.

what about spys? they dont represent a brigade or division :p

I still think the NKVD units would be best suited for the role, and help prevent spies and revolts.

ok :(

btw do u have screenshots of these elite infantries?

Not yet. I wasn't adding units to the game. Njow i have models for Waffen SS and Desert Rats (they are on forums here).


NKVD as i mentioned is presented as unique Military Police in the game. There's also NKVD wonder that gives 3 new NKVD aggents with promotions adding extra mobility and see range. Also it give +1 to see range to newly created spies.

Britain
Australia
Canada
South Africa
Should all be Royal Marine Commando's, used in normal fighting and in a covert role, seeing as the militaries of this countries in WW2 were heavily intergrated.
US Should probably be US Marines or the 101st Airborne Division http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Airborne_Division_%28United_States%29

Italy should be Alpini mountain infantry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpini
Germany, Waffen SS, elite shock troops
Japan, Special Naval Landing Forces, also with Parachute capabilites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Naval_Landing_Forces

just a thought.

Britain
Australia
Canada
South Africa
Should all be Royal Marine Commando's, used in normal fighting and in a covert role, seeing as the militaries of this countries in WW2 were heavily intergrated.
US Should probably be US Marines or the 101st Airborne Division http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_A...ited_States%29

Italy should be Alpini mountain infantry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpini
Germany, Waffen SS, elite shock troops
Japan, Special Naval Landing Forces, also with Parachute capabilites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...Landing_Forces

just a thought.
I disagree totally on the 101st and marines the 101st was just one of the airbourne divisions which were elite but will already be represented and the us marines had 200,000 men in wwII so though some of the best grunts of the war not elite. The rangers definitely fit the bill! If there is a separate british african faction I would suggest having the kings african rifles be the special unit. Also this mod is only europe so no japan.

I disagree totally on the 101st and marines the 101st was just one of the airbourne divisions which were elite but will already be represented and the us marines had 200,000 men in wwII so though some of the best grunts of the war not elite. The rangers definitely fit the bill! If there is a separate british african faction I would suggest having the kings african rifles be the special unit. Also this mod is only europe so no japan.

Similar problems with the Waffen-SS. Hard to justify an "elite" organization that was fielded in corps strength. The Brandenburg Regiment would make sense, but the WSS? Not so much.

the Waffen-SS saw action throughout the Second World War under de facto operational control of the Wehrmacht. During the war it grew to 39 divisions, which served as elite combat troops alongside the regular army.
Well these units are going to flexible as for instance the red guards were very large by the end of the war the waffen-ss were very big but still elite. The other problem with marines is they didn't serve at all in europe.

The fact remains, there are German formations more analogous to the Rangers and the Commonwealth commando units. Heck, there are units within the USMC that are more analogous to them. Either the Brandenburg Regiment, or the few Fallschirmjager units that were actually parachute-trained would make sense. To be honest, though, after further reflection, the ideal German elite infantry unit would be the Sturmpioniere - deployed in battalion strength (as per Ranger, Commando), never more than a handful of battalions at a time (fed six of them into Stalingrad), used to attack special objectives that no one else could take (as per Ranger, Commando). Special abilities in city attack, anti-infantry, and amphibious, since they were as likely as not to be bridging units in and of themselves.

For the Rangers to have paradrop capability in WW2 would be inaccurate - Rangers didn't begin parachute operations until the Korean War. Some Commando units were parachute-qualified; others weren't. In the case of the elite infantry units, it might make sense to have a range of promotions available at creation to account for the range of abilities they might display.

Elite Inf for GB should be called either just Commandos, or Royal Marine Commandos, not british commandos

I have an idea for snipers. A but OOC but still.

Every nation can build them.

They are cloaked until discovered.

Has extra damage when in a attack after others or help defendi (passivleu) in a stack.

When an enemy unit is down to 50% Sniper withdraws the that unit is disabled (can't move, attack, heal, upgrade) for two turns. Devastating against SODs.

I am thinking of adding the British Commandos too, but making them "invisible".