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Toasty Jul 08, 2002, 01:50 PM The title knocked off of "The Dark Valley: A Panorama of the 1930s," by Piers Brendon (an excellent book which I reccomend to any fellow history buff), this map takes place at the dawn of 1932.
The rules are very much the same as Historical NES I, but I've decided to allow a little more room to negotiate by not starting it off with a crisis. This is very much a cut and dry NES, very similar to the original UKNES, and hopefully it will run a little smoother than the WWINES.
The 1930s was marked, ultimately, by the beginning of World War II in September 1939 by Adolf's Hitler Nazi Germany. However, the Weimar Republic still stands, and nations now have the opportunity to crush any attempts by the Germans in order to stave off the wrath that was wrought in World War II.
So, off we are, to the rules:
COMBAT
Basics
Leaders of nations will buy units, deploy them (these can also be called orders), and PM them to me. It works fairly simple in that respect and it has been done by several other NESers and it will continue to here.
We'll be using the (patent pending) ToastyNES combat system, which was originally employed in Historical NES I. This will work as such: each unit has a number value. I will roll one die for that unit. If the number on the top face of the die is less than the unit's number value, it will destroy an enemy unit.
Enemy units are the units controlled by any nation you are at war with. In the event that you are fighting forces of two different nationalities, they will spread out the casualties evenly.
When a "hit" is made by a unit, one unit on the opponent's side will die. The first hits will be units lowest in monetary value (in order to make exceptions for transports), and the last for those with the highest monetary value. The first nation to run out of units loses the battle, and if they are the defenders, any surrounding land.
Scouts
Scouts are unarmed soldiers who try to discover forward enemy areas. There is a chance they will be discovered, and by a roll of the die, they will be found and shot. However, should they return safely, they can give detailed information of an enemy established. Scouts cannot go far past the border or front line, and cannot give details on enemy gold amounts or purchases.
Air Combat
Air combat as part of a battle
There will be two air units in this game, rather simply, fighters and bombers. Fighters act as both air units and ground units, while bombers work as artillery did in the WWINES. This is done to represent how air power is not enough to destroy an enemy force, as shown at Dunkirk in May 1940.
Fighters will firstly encounter any enemy aircraft in the area. Bombers will too, but fighters will inevitable be killed first as they are cheaper (this also represents how fighters usually tried to clear out enemy planes before bombers came in). AA Guns will each have one roll before combat to shoot down any attacking planes. However, once the roll is made, the AA guns will not fire again and regardless of the outcome of the air battle will not be killed.
Planes have limited fuel amounts and only have a relative range. For instance, if you are desperate to attack a base or fleet far away, you may send a plane beyond its range to return to friendly territory to do the damage but not get the plane back.
Air combat is resolved before ground combat. Any defending fighters will continue to defend once the ground battle commences, and any attacking fighters will continue to attack once the ground battle commences. Surviving bombers, given they have enough fuel, will return to the closest friendly territory. Fighters will as well, but only once ground combat has been resolved.
Bombing
Bombing is a powerful tool, but is very unlikely to succeed. Depending on units that have the bombard ability, a number lower or equal to the number must be made. However, should a bombard succeed, all units on the defence lose 1 for their defence value (i.e. an infantry normally has 2 defence; after a successful bombard, they all have 1). Bombard uses two dice, but the standard is similar.
Each bomber has a 4/12 chance of successfully bombing the opposing forces.
Only air battles and strategic bombing
If a player wishes to only eliminate the airforce in a certain area, then they may send only fighters and bombers to create an air battle. This works same as before except that no ground battle will commence afterwards and bombers will only intercept other aircraft. This is why only fighters should be used in air-only battles, but bombers can be used as well.
Strategic bombing is an effort one can make to hurt or even cripple another player's economy. By committing bombers to a strategic bombing, they will target industry and gold vaults to take away purchasing power for the player's next turn. Because of the scarcity and stealthiness of the bomber pilots, only AA guns will retalliate against strategic bombing attacks.
Naval Combat
Naval combat works similarly to ground combat in that it will follow the resolution of air combat, however it only takes place on the high seas. Any hits by submarines may not be used against air units.
Aircraft carriers allow planes to stay with a fleet for prolonged amounts of time. Also, it makes their range longer to protect against any bombing or air attacks by enemy countries--instead of having to save feul to also return home, it may simply land on the carrier much further out to sea.
Countries may attempt to form a blockade in areas or attack merchant ships to decrease the enemy nation's gold income. However, this will give away the position of your ships to the enemy and allow them to engage your forces easily.
INCOME
The relative value (read: development) and area of land lost or aquired affects your seasonal income (turns will be in seasons). Nations can spend 45g to industrialize a region, keeping it small, and increase its value. Some nations start off with more land or more industrialized areas because that's how it was in 1932. Nations that invest too much in development will not have a standing army, and nations that do not invest enough without building an army may find themselves unable to keep up in war.
One industrialization order makes for an extra 15 gold per turn. However, if the area is lost, the income will add to the enemy's gold reserve.
ORGANIZATION
Because of the large mass of units, it is requested that you group your units together in "armies" (i.e. 1st army, 2nd fleet, 3rd air squadron). It makes it considerable easier for me to keep track of units. Also, more than one army can fight in one battle.
UNITS
Infantry Regiment
Defence: 1
Attack: 2
Cost: 10g per regiment.
Noted: Ground unit.
Tank Regiment
Defence: 2
Attack: 3
Cost: 15g per regiment.
Notes: Recieves a +1 attack against infantry & fortresses. Ground unit.
AA Gun
Attack: 0
Defence: 3
Cost: 15g per gun.
Notes: Ground unit. May only defend against air.
Fortress
Defence: 3
Attack: 0
Cost: 60g
Notes: Stationary.
Fighter Wing
Defence: 2
Attack: 3
Cost: 35g per regiment.
Notes: Air unit.
Bomber Wing
Defence: 2
Attack: 2
Cost: 45g per regiment.
Notes: Air unit. Can bomb units, with a 4/12 chance of success, or commit to strategic bombing with a 3/6 chance of success.
Battleship
Attack: 5
Defence: 3
Cost: 70g per ship.
Notes: Naval unit.
Aircraft Carrier
Attack: 2
Defence: 3
Cost: 55g per ship.
Notes: Naval unit. Can carry planes.
Destroyer
Attack: 4
Defence: 3
Cost: 35g per ship.
Notes: Naval unit. Recieves +1 defence bonus when defending against submarines.
Submarine
Attack: 4
Defence: 2
Cost: 25g per sub.
Notes: Naval unit. Recieves +1 bonus against battleships.
Transport
Attack: 0
Defence: 1
Cost: 25g per ship.
Notes: Naval unit. Can carry 6 infantry, 3 tanks or 3 AA guns.
Toasty Jul 08, 2002, 02:09 PM World Powers:
Civilization Name: United Kingdom & Commonwealth
Ruler: Prime Minister Winston Churchill (uknemesis)
Capital: London
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Seasonal Income: 645
Civilization Name: France
Ruler: Charles de Gaulle (Pachy)
Capital: Paris
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Seasonal Income: 620 +620g banked.
Civilization Name: United States of America
Ruler: Roosevelt (Juliennew)
Capital: Washington D.C.
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Seasonal Income: 885 +495g banked.
Civilization Name: Italy
Ruler: Il Duce Roberto Berluciane (Toasty)
Capital: Rome
Government Type: Fascism
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Half agrarian, half industrial
Seasonal Income: 495
Civilization Name: Japan
Ruler: Emperor Henry Pu-Yi (WarlordMatt)
Capital: Tokyo
Government Type: Absolutist Monarchy
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half agrarian, half industrial
Seasonal Income: 640 +640g banked.
Civilization Name: Soviet Union
Ruler: Joseph Stalin (rctmasta)
Capital: Moscow
Government Type: Communism
Tech Level: Mid-industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly industrial
Seasonal Income: 925
Regional Powers:
Civilization Name: Weimar Germany
Ruler: Lettow von-Vorbec (das)
Capital: Berlin
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Seasonal Income: 380
Civilization Name: Norway
Ruler: King Jonas (trader/warrior)
Capital: Oslo
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Seasonal Income: 385
Civilization Name: Siam
Ruler:
Capital: Bangkok
Government Type: Absolutist Monarchy
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly agrarian
Seasonal Income: 380
Civilization Name: China
Ruler: Mao Zedong (Bill_in_PDX)
Capital: Peking
Government Type: Military Junta
Tech Level: Early Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly agrarian
Seasonal Income: 495
Civilization Name: Yugoslavia
Ruler:
Capital: Belgrade
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 340
Civilization Name: Turkey
Ruler: Kemal Atatürk (Kennelly)
Capital: Ankara
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 375
Civilization Name: Poland
Ruler: President Waldemar Wilczynski
Capital: Warsaw
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 375
Civilization Name: Mexico
Ruler:
Capital: Mexico City
Government Type: Military Junta
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly agrarian
Seasonal Income: 340
Civilization Name: Czechoslovakia
Ruler: Eduard Benes (Demetrias)
Capital: Prague
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 370
Civilization Name: Republican Spain
Ruler: ? (Admiral Super)
Capital: Madrid
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 145
Civilization Name: Fascist Spain
Ruler: Francisco Franco (Lead by Roberto Berluciane [Toasty])
Capital: Madrid (controlled by Republicans)
Government Type: Fascism
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 175
ALLIANCES:
Entente Petit: Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia (France is allied to the alliance).
Allies: England, Norway, Czechoslovakia, Germany and France.
Anglo-American Alliance: Great Britain and America.
Italo-Austrian Alliance: Italy and Austria.
Axis Alliance: Italy, Poland, Japan and Turkey.
WARS:
There are no wars at this current time.
Note: if you are interested in playing an independent country not listed, please make note and I will set up a profile for it.
TIMELINE:
Spring 1932 - Germany calls for repealing of arms limitations, met by support from Italy and Turkey. America and Norway join the Allies, and America subsequently enforces an embargo on Italy, China and Mexico. Soon after however, America withdraws from the allies due to civil unrest at home and economic pressure. Turkey and Italy sign the Mediterranean Dual Alliance. Italy begins massive Mediterranean fleet expansion, and the Soviet Union reaffirms friendship with Turkey. Mao Zedong of China makes peace with the Japanese. Non-Aggression Pacts are signed all around.
Summer 1932 - Italy invades Abyssinia which results with mild resistance from the 'Democratic League'. Czechoslovakia attempts to impose reparations on the Hungarian gov't for nationalist's destruction of industry in the country, which is resented by the Axis powers. "Detente" begins with the signing of an NAP between Great Britain and Italy. The Soviet Union makes limited gains in Outer Mongolia, and heavy U.S. industrialization reassures their economic prowess. Civil war explodes in Spain, with Italians supporting the Fascists and the British supporting the Republicans. Japan joins Axis Pact.
Autumn 1932 - China annexes Tibet and invades Mongolia. Mongolia is subsequently split between them and the Soviets. Italy invades and annexes Albania, while Norway begins its invasion of Sweden. Barcelona is captured by the Spanish Fascists and the Soviet industrialization effort peaks. Italians and British enact cooperative quarantine of Spain.
MAP:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/HNESII-AU1932.gif
Pachy Jul 08, 2002, 02:23 PM i'll take France
Civilization Name: France
Ruler: Charles De Gaulle (pachy0
Capital: Paris
Government Type: Republic
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Annual Income: 310
trader/warrior Jul 08, 2002, 03:16 PM i`ll take norway as kong jonas
Juliennew Jul 08, 2002, 03:36 PM I took the weakest nation in UKNES so I'll take the USA in this one. ;)
I will be Roosevelt.
Kennelly Jul 08, 2002, 03:56 PM I will be Kemal Atatürk of the Turkísh republic.
[OOC a few questions:can we invade non-listed countries,for example can Italy invade Ethiopia or Germany invade Austria?
is Mexico not listed above or is this the British color?
I suggest you change Thailand to Siam as the name was changed in 1939 OOC]
Toasty Jul 08, 2002, 05:49 PM Yes Kennelly, countries may invade neighboring ones but they will meet resistance. Most countries will have 10 infantry regiments but if they are much larger (i.e. Brazil), I will up it in order to make sure that countries don't just go after ones with lots of land. Also, nations allied to non-player countries will have an obligation, though they may break it, to come to their aid, as in the case of Italy and Abyssinia.
uknemesis Jul 08, 2002, 06:18 PM I'll be Prime Minister Winston Churchill of Britain lol.
Nemesis
uknemesis Jul 08, 2002, 06:28 PM I've got one question though, how does Britain start off with less money than France or the USA, despite having more land and being the same economy type?!
Nemesis
Toasty Jul 08, 2002, 06:32 PM Reading Piers Brendon's book, Britain was hit pretty hard by the great depression right about now. Also, there is no denying that the U.S. economy was and is being bigger than the UK's. France's economic bonus is negligible, but only to show that they were faring off a bit better and had a larger army.
If you want to industrialize, of course, you can help that ;).
uknemesis Jul 08, 2002, 06:38 PM Grrr lol, defending an entire Empire with 300 gold?! No wonder the Empire collapsed! :p
Nemesis
Toasty Jul 08, 2002, 06:48 PM Well, I'd agree with you, if it weren't for the fact your only real hostile border is in Libya ;).
rctmasta Jul 08, 2002, 08:58 PM Ill be Joseph Stalin of the soviet union
Toasty Jul 08, 2002, 09:29 PM RULE CHANGE
Everyone's money/income will be DOUBLED in order to spread out the forces of the larger nations, such as France and Great Britain. Costs will remain the same.
Demetrias Jul 08, 2002, 10:27 PM I would like to join as
Eduard Benes
President of Czechoslovakia
WarlordMatt Jul 09, 2002, 05:09 AM I'll be Emperor Henry Pu-Yi of Japan (he was a real leader of Japan during the 1930's, I found it on the internet).
Civilization Name: Japan
Ruler: Emperor Henry Pu-Yi (WarlordMatt)
Capital: Tokyo
Government Type: Absolutist Monarchy
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half agrarian, half industrial
Seasonal Income: 680
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 07:53 AM USA general politic :
The world has greatly suffered of the 1929 stock's crash. This crash has permitted totalitaristic leaders to emerge from some countries, even European ones. Mexico and China are already military's junta that cause a direct threat to their neighbours. Italy has elected a fascist leader at their head.
USA can't let the world go to totalitarism. Any war undertaked against or by a military's junta will see the USA aligning to the other side. I will support all the efforts made by a nation to fight against these countries. USA won't allow any military junta to expand their territories. The USA will also embargo all military juntas or fascism regimes.
On the other side, USA won't take part in any eradication of these countries. All the thing I want is that they change of regime to become a democracy, a republic, or, if the country has a royal family, a constitutional monarchy.
These regimes are clearly the ennemies of liberty, by consequence they are american's ennemies. I won't abandon this fight until all these regimes are changed.
To France and Britain :
Dear friends
I congratulates you for your election at the head of such powerful countries as are France and Britain. But we are near times of trouble. I beg for your help against totalitaristic regimes. Italy is a direct threat for you and we should promptly sign an embargo against her. China and Japan are also a big problem, especially for Britain. Be sure that any action you would undertake against them would gain you all my support, even a military one. But as you could see in my speech, I won't support any homeland's annexing but I will support any attacks on their colonies or against their capital to change their regime. I propose you an alliance to fight against them.
To Russia :
Despite our differents points of view on the way the society should be organised, we have common ennemies. China, Italy and Japan. I hope you will take decisions to counter them. To be reassured, I propose you an non-aggression pact.
To Mexico, China and Italy :
Any expansion beyond your current frontier will bring war with USA. I decrete an embargo on your goods.
To Japan :
Your absolute monarchy worries me too. And I know that you a large part of responsability in the current regime of China. I exhort you to calm your willings of expansion and to cease your influence on China's politic.
To Norway and Czekoslovacia :
I congratulates you for your elections. Be sure that USA will protect you against any totalitaristic regimes.
OOC : Warlord, be sure that I don't have any griefs against you :lol:
WarlordMatt Jul 09, 2002, 11:00 AM To: USA
From: Emporer Henry Pu-Yi of Japan
Do not worry about our government, friend. It is simply the traditional form that we have used for thousands of years. We are not currently interested in any expansion other than owning Manchuria. We wish to sign a Non-Aggression Pact with your fine nation.
Demetrias Jul 09, 2002, 11:00 AM Civilization Name: Czechoslovakia
Ruler: Eduard Benes (Demetrias)
Government Type: Democracy
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 370
(OOC)
Hey guys does this sound good for Czechoslovakia. The infromation i knew about them is that at the Beginning of WWII they were the tenth most industrialized nation in the world and one of the leading arms manufacturers in Europe. It was about 50-55 percent industrialized. I have numbers for each region but not the whole. So guys how about i get these numbers.
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 11:11 AM Demetrias, let me just drop it a little, because Czechoslovakia wasn't that big a factor in Europe but was more powerful than, say, Hungary. I'll give you 360 a turn.
Also, I'm in desperate need of a Germany. If you're willing to play them as opposed to Czechoslovakia I'd be EXTREMELY grateful. But just for anyone to play them is a necessity or this game will be no fun.
To: President Roosevelt of the United States
We will not be intimidated by a ring of the plutocratic Democracies that you are trying to instill. Italy remains strong and vigilant, and under NO circumstances will we lose ground to the decadent Americans.
Good day.
Kennelly Jul 09, 2002, 12:12 PM To:President Roosevelt
From:Kemal Ataturk
We see it as an insult you didn't contact us as you did with every other nation [taken].We demand a formal excuse.
To:Chairman Stalin
From:Kemal Ataturk
I suggest we sign a NAP.To convince you in doing so Turkey will grant support in every action you might plan against Persia.
To:President DeGaulle
From:Kemal Ataturk
I propose to begin talks about a possible giving back of Lebanon and Syria to Turkey.
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 12:16 PM RULE CHANGE
Yet again. I forgot to mention that bombers can sink ships. In air-to-naval combat it is different in that after a successful bombing is made, one die will be rolled. If it is three or under it will sink a ship. If not, normal bombing effects happen.
Also, battleships will take TWO hits to sink due to their immense cost.
das Jul 09, 2002, 12:42 PM 'I, Lettow von-Vorbec, red the "German Military Regime in early 30s", and got quite inspired". So my Germany is here again.
I also thereby procliam that in order to balance the situation, we should have full right to reubilt our army to size of the French one.
das Jul 09, 2002, 01:04 PM I mean that I demand the lift of arms limitation to keep up the balance.
rctmasta Jul 09, 2002, 01:10 PM To: President Roosevelt of the United States
Russia will agree and sign this pact with you, Thank you for your support
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 01:30 PM To: the World
Italy announces her undying support for the German demands of arms-limitation repealment. Blood alone is the fuel and necessary lubricant for the wheels of history, and the Germans as a righteous people deserve their military.
Germany is meant to force down the repressive, plutocratic regimes of the West and we call on any nation similar in this desire to aid them as well. End the capitalist-communist coalition to crush the nobility that is Fascism and war! We must unite in order to face these deadly foes and wrought the retribution that is demanded by the heirs of Rome!
Up to arms, brave Germans! We will fight your oppressors!
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
I come to you to cordially reassure you that Italy has no direct intentions against the will of Great Britain. As allies in the last war, and as friends in the modern world, we say that only should you find your allies among the ranks of the United States will we become enemies.
We wish you the best in your quest to reconstruct the British empire so torn after depression and war. May you find your comforts in your people.
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: President Charles de Gaulle
Italy henceforth demands the surrender of Tunisia by the French forces. Long habitualized by the members of the glorious Italian state, we recognize no other nation's "sovreignty" over this formerly-Roman territory. The decadent French have no place in this land and must allow the rightful heirs to the Roman empire their land.
Give us Tunisia or face the front of the mighty legions that are Italians.
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: Kemal Ataturk
As a fellow Mediterranean power we do not seek confrontation with the Turkish Republic. Only if your nations should "fall in line" with the will of the imperialistic Americans should you consider Italy an enemy; and that, my friend, is something no nation wants.
Blood does not need to be spilt in Turkey. I'd like to keep it that way. What about you?
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: Lettow von-Vorbec
We would like to assure you that so long as your nation does not make any attempts at Austria or find friends among the Americans, you will always find home just South of the Alps.
We look forward to cooperation with the German state and ask that a friendship pact be signed. As one warlike people to another, I say, the world is our apple.
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: Marshal Joseph Stalin
We are appalled by your barbaric people and form of government and will not see you well; Italy henceforth does not recognize the sovreignty of the Soviet Union and will therefore sign nothing with the corrupt "communist" government.
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
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Italy today celebrated the development of a great Mediterranean fleet with the launching of two great battleships from the Vittorio Veneto class of ships. The ships, named Righello and Vittorio are expected to modernize naval warfare to a new height, and assure Italy's domination of the Mediterranean sea.
The major naval base, situated at Taranto, was recently industrialized by the great Duce, Roberto Berluciane. This was expected to open "a new era" for Southern Italy, modernizing it and removing the few agrarian aspects of the Italian economy.
The Italian military, now one of the finest in the world, may do battle very soon according to some high government officials such as King Vittorio Emmanuelle, who preached of "great retribution" against the nations that had so disgraced the rightful heirs to Rome in the past.
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane is scheduled for a press conference in April which will give the full details of Italian plans for the future.
uknemesis Jul 09, 2002, 01:35 PM Hey Toasty, why has the gold suddenly gone up?! I need to change my orders in that case!
Plus do we get the same amount per turn?
TO THE USA
FROM BRITAIN
We cannot directly engage in any war as of yet, as the British Empire is weak, and rebuilding it comes first. But I assure you, Britain will not stand by and let others destroy what we have all worked so hard for.
We will sign an embargo against Italy for now.
Churchill
Pachy Jul 09, 2002, 01:45 PM To Kemal Ataurk
From De Gaulle
We will not return Syria and Lebanon to you. They are under our protection as Protectortes only for a, while before i give them their freedom.
To Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
From De Gaulle
How exactly do you own Tunisa? You don't even speak the Latin tonuge. Your claim is the same as if the Lebanese (who we rule) claimed the land as their own.
To Roosevelt
From De Gaulle
We will accept your alliance, but depeneding on where the injustice is we may not be able to attack with much force.,
rctmasta Jul 09, 2002, 01:55 PM To: Kemal Ataurk
I agree with you and I will sign this Pact, and I thank you for your support.
To: Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
Perhaps you are mistaken, but I have not offered or plannning to offer any signed agreement to your country. Your opposal of anything to do with us will be noted though...
das Jul 09, 2002, 02:01 PM TO point out from Germany. "Capitalists" are not ouur enemies. We are a democracy just like France and Great Britain. Our only true enemy as of now is Soviet Union because of it's anarchistic "Communist" "government".
OOC: Lettow was always opposed to communism.
Kennelly Jul 09, 2002, 02:02 PM To:Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
From:Kemal Atatürk
I agree we are both mediterranean nations and should not engage in war.But I think you should not turn on the French but on the British.The French republic was able to keep back the Germans in the Great War and is now the 4th richest nation in the world.Britain on the other way tried unsuccesful to capture our great capitol in the war and their military is stretched all over the world.They as lackeys of the U.S. also joined their trade embargo against you. So Turkey would sign an offensive MPP against Britain and a defensive one against other nations if you hand over the islands of Dodekanes to the Turkish republic or at least promise not to give them Greece.
To:Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
From:Kemal Atatürk
Turkey strongly supports the efforts of its ally and friend from the war to put aside the regulations of Versailles as we did with Sévres.We would like to sign a NAP with the German Empire.
trader/warrior Jul 09, 2002, 02:12 PM to:roosevelt and de gaulle
from:kong jonas
i would be honoured if i could join your alliance.
rctmasta Jul 09, 2002, 02:21 PM To: Jonas
I am offering you a Non-Agression Pact, Our great countries are close together and we would not want any "incidents"
trader/warrior Jul 09, 2002, 03:34 PM to:stalin
we accept your offer
VERDENS GANG (a norvegian newspaper)
norways new fleet
kong jonas two years ago anounced that norway had to become more powerfull at seas.secretly since that day hundred`s of men have been working on a great fleet,the government will not say the number of ships yet but they do say that it`s more than five ships.the fleet was done just in time because italy has just finished two battleships and the US, france and britain has declared their hostility against all militaristic and facistic nations.
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 03:43 PM From Roosevelt
To Kemal Atatürk :
Roosevelt apologies for this regretable incident. I want to keep good relations with you as long as you don't align with Italy against Britain. Any bad feelings upon my friends (France - Norway - Britain) will be promptly and severely condemned by the USA. I'm also surprised that a free country like yours is aligning with a facist country. I hope you will come back to reason rapidly as the only interest of Italy is expanding their regime at all costs.
For the Syria's case, be sure that I will grant my full support to France.
From Roosevelt
To Kong Jonas :
USA accept joyfully your demand. I'm happy to see that Norway is ruled by a wise man like you. We must counter any totalitarisc expansion.
From Roosevelt
To Lettow von-Vorbec :
USA is making you a proposal. As long as you remain a free country, USA will do his best to lower Versailles's demands and will help you to remilitarize your nation. If you accept to enter the F-N-USA alliance, I will grant you my help in reindustrialization and my military support.
From Roosevelt
To De Gaulle :
USA won't allow a friend loosing lands to Italy or Turkey. I will promptly send orders on consequence.
For the German's case, I know that you understand that we must keep Germany within the free nations. I officialy ask you that Germany's remilitarization be allowed in order for Germany to defend themselves of the fascist threat. I know that you understand the situation and you will take a wise decision.
But because of the WW1's sequel in your country, I will understand any veto you could put in the decision.
From Roosevelt
To Josef Stalin :
Our two nations will strongly benefit of our NAP. I also urge you to make everything possible to counter totalitarians regimes.
From Roosevelt
To Emperor Henry Pu-Yi :
I know the long history that your dinasty has with Japan. But since three decades, USA worries about your willings of expansion in Asia and your support of China's regime. I will sign the NAP as long as you won't give any support to China in case of war.
From Roosevelt
To Eduard Benes :
USA want to invite you in the alliance against totalitarians regime.
From Roosevelt
To Churchill :
I understand your position and won't ask to do more that you can do. I'm also confident in the position's you will take in case of crisis. Anyway, I propose you a defensive MPP.
Pachy Jul 09, 2002, 03:50 PM To Germany
From France
We will alow to demilitirization to be lifted of you as long as you keep only 7 tank regiments and 4 bomber wings at maximium. Then your free to build as many of everything eles as you want.
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 04:00 PM To: Kemal Ataturk
We whole-heartedly accept your offers of friendship, strength, and miltary expansion. As one ruler to another, I say that we can find strength only in sapping it away from the greed-based nations of the Allies. The plutocratic Democracies of the West will succumb to our blade.
We look forward to cooperation with you and promise that the Dodecanese islands will never be seen by a single Greek man, woman or child. We wish you luck in whatever missions you may seek to undertake, and hope to be undertaking them with you.
Most Cordially,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: Lettow von-Vorbec
We encourage you not to accept the proposal made by the American pig. Fact is, quite simply, France will not sit on her laurels while she has can pull the strings to keep you from expanding. Only under the threat of flowing blood may Germany find her place in the sun as one of the world's great powers.
You have the complete and total backing of Italy in this matter and have no need for the allies--to expand and industrialize under your wishes is to make for the balance in Europe, and should the Allies continue to gain the upper hand you will get the smallest slice of the pie and no balance whatsoever will be maintained.
Do not be tempted by these Communist co-conspirators (they are pushing to make a deal with them, for gods sake!). Catholicism, Christianity, war, Turkey and lastly Italy beckons you not to.
Watching your back,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: Emperor Pu-Yi
Do not stand idly by while the imperialists threaten to put you back to the days of minor power! Japan has the potential to destroy any such Western meddling that may repress her from realizing her dream as the leader of an Asian co-prosperity sphere. We can make our stand, take revenge for our injustices, and fight toe to toe with the former dominators!
We tell you now, you do not need the NAP; no nation needs peace with America. Every nation needs strength, and we cannot find it with men whom would sooner make refrigerators than items to defend themselves with! To arms, my friend, to arms! Now is no time for sleeping!
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
To: President Roosevelt
I don't know where you get it from that Japan supports the Chinese military Junta--for godsakes, they're in a war with them!
Shut your trap and stay where your pitiless meddling belongs--at home.
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 04:11 PM USA invites all free nations to take part in this alliance against evil countries.
The goal of the alliance is to counter any fascist expansion.
Here is the conditions of the Alliance :
- The only regimes who can enter the alliance are Democracy, Republic and Constitutional monarchies.
- A nation that enters the Alliance will promptly sign a trade embargo against Mexico, Italy and China.
- Any expansion wars undertaked by fascist regimes must be promptly countered by the alliance.
- In case of anti-expansion war, only the colonies can be annexed.
- In case of full-scale war against a fascist country, the primary goal will be to take the capitol, collapse the governement and to make elections to create a free nation. Annexing the homeland of the country is forbidden. The alliance want to guarantee political freedom to the people.
- Anti-expansion war don't need to be voted.
- Full-scale war against a country can only be decided by a vote of the alliance's members.
- Defensive MPPs are automatically signed between the members
Economic support :
- USA will help at the industrialization of any country that need it in order to be economicaly and militarily indepedent. The amount of this help will decided case by case
- Any other world power that can help in this initiative is welcome
All suggestions are welcome.
I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, agrees to the conditions above and sign the joining in this alliance.
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 04:19 PM Julienne, I can't even START on how unrealistic you're playing. The US would not have signed that alliance with the UK and France, which I let go without complaining, but to take an active, hard line against what was considered by 99.9% of Americans "Europe's problem" or "Asia's problem" is really pissing me off. Yes, if the allies did this then the Fascists would have been as frustrated as I am now, but there was NO CHANCE of this happening. If it were, there would be RIOTS IN THE STREETS OF WASHINGTON. Tone it down before I start to get REALLY pissed.
RULE CHANGE
In order to demonstrate the American unwillingness to make war, make weapons and the effects of their huge depression their income will be lowered to 740. I wish I could have let them be played realistically with that huge potential but appearantly I can't.
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 04:24 PM From Roosevelt
To Roberto Berluciane :
I'm sorry to not call you "Duce" but this word is currently hurting my tongue each time I spell it. As long as you keep your current borders, the alliance won't intervene in any case against your country.
In the Japan's case, Japan has declared war to the very young republic of China some years ago. Until the war, China was a free nation. Because of Japan's willing of expansion, thay become a militaristic regime that execute every called " Japanese's collaborators". There is no more justice in this country nor expression freedom (like in your country). That's why I put in light the Japan's responsibilty in this case. Their imperial's willings are the source of the problem in this tragedy. And it is an example you should meditate for the Italy's future.
From Roosevelt
To Emperor Pu-Yi :
We reiterate the NAP proposal.
OOC : I'm new to the NES, but tell me what is going wrong, I will do my best.
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 04:29 PM OOC : And I think I play well the USA willings to tell the others nations what to do. No ?
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 04:39 PM Julienne, check your PMs. I gave you an explaination and a royal tongue lashing.
Kennelly Jul 09, 2002, 04:57 PM To:President Franklin D. Roosevelt
From:Kemal Ataturk
Although we accept your excuse we think your efforts are laughable.You don't have support either by your congress,economy nor your people.Even here in Ankara reports about the strikes in the manufacturing belt and Texas arrive.This 'Anti-Fascist' Alliance is a joke,even more that its by a nation who not even joined League of nations.Do this and you can talk FRIENDLY with European and Asian nations.But this won't happen so stay on your big continent.
To:Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
From:Kemal Atatürk
Akthough we probably have a bit different ideas of government both our nations believe in a strong and laizistic state.We are both heirs of great Empires and we have to work closely together to rebuild them.
To:Emperor Henry Pu-Yi
From:Kemal Atatürk
As Italy needs the resources from North Africa and we need the Oil from Iraq and Arabia you need the resources from China and South East Asia.But our efforts are undermined by nations rich of resources by their Empires like France,Britain and especially America.I suggest our 3 nations sign a MPP to create an axis Rome-Ankara-Tokyo to coordinate our quest for resources.
uknemesis Jul 09, 2002, 05:01 PM Toasty: Calm down. Alienating players isn't the best idea, and plus you forget that Roosevelt was an idealist. It wasn't 99% of Americans who disliked getting involved in Europe, I'd say it was more like 75% or less. Also, America took the stance after the war of international peacekeeper. With a more energetic President who could make his people believe in his decisions without question, America may have been able to take this role sooner. Plus I didn't know we had to play completely to role.
Sorry to have a go, but you need to calm down!
Also, I have a question. How many squadrons can an aircraft carrier hold?
THE TIMES NEWSPAPER
CHURCHILL DECLARES A RADICAL SHAKE-UP FOR THE EMPIRE
Winston Churchill, known more as a military man rather than a diplomat and a economist, surprised everyone today with a series of new and radical moves.
He declared that to lessen the economic strain of running the Empire, it would be split into three autonomous "Military Districts".
The name caused immediate concern from some anti-war groups, but Churchill assured them this just reflected the layout of his troops. Sources say that the Military Districts will each have their own armies to deploy, and be equipped with transports(for those split by the sea) to re-deploy quickly. This is said to be due to a lack of forces to protect the huge Empire, so Churchill is looking at methods of quick-reinforcement of areas in danger.
The three zones are known as the Atlantic Military District(Britain, Canada and the Atlantic Ocean), the African Military District(Africa, Egypt and the Middle East), and the Indian Military District(India, Australia and the Indian Ocean).
Another surprise was Churchill actually welcoming Norway's naval buildup, which many said he would oppose.
TO NORWAY
FROM BRITAIN
We wish to have good relations with you, and hope to sign an MPP with you.
TO AMERICA
FROM BRITAIN
We will of course sign a defensive MPP with you, to help prevent the spread of Communism, Fascism and Absolute Monarchies worldwide.
However, may I suggest that you do not embargo the Chinese, they are our allies against the Imperialist Japanese! The Chinese are only a military junta due to their civil war, and now their leaders have banded together to fight a common foe. That is a feat worthy of praise, not embargoes!
We will however embargo Italy, Mexico, Turkey and Japan should they continue to threaten Britain(we are withdrawing our embargo of Italy for now so as not to provoke them at this delicate time).
TO GERMANY
FROM BRITAIN
We wish you the best in your military build-up - we hope you will use it to eradicate Communism or Fascism, and not against democracies. To that ideal, we offer you a non-aggression pact.
TO ITALY, TURKEY, JAPAN, AND MEXICO
FROM BRITAIN
We will embargo you unless you begin to give your people more personal freedom, or in Turkey's case stop agitating for war.
TO RUSSIA
FROM BRITAIN
We have no love lost between our nations, but we do not wish war with the Soviets. To that end, I suggest a non-aggression pact(NAP).
Nemesis
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 05:04 PM Roosevelt's advisor :
The alliance you proposed to lead is creating problems sir.
The polls showing that the people won't allow any war, even more in Europe. The polls isn't favorable to your reelections ...
Roosevelt :
Sadly, the American people isn't ready to send their fellow boys around the world for the moment.
Roosevelt's advisor :
Economics news aren't good too. Our annual income fallen to 740 per year. Not as much as the economics advisors expected.
Roosevelt :
This is bad news for America and for the world too.
Prepare a special council with the defense secretary and the economics advisors.
To the impossible allies :
I'm sorry to tell you that the alliance that I proposed a few monthes ago is obsolete. With the recents developments in USA, I couldn't afford such economical help to the other countries. And I heard the voice of the American people : they don't want war. I must also break the MPP's done with France.
To help the American's economy, Roosevelt decide a new economical politic : The New Deal.
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 05:13 PM UK, I realize what you're getting at, but there wasn't a man in America who could've done that (pardon Huey Long, who was shot anyways :p). I'm sorry for exploding like that, but in order for this game to be even remotely fun we can't all be idealists--and there certainly wasn't an abundance of them in the middle of the Great Depression.
Julien, I'm sorry for exploding like that, but I've stated that it was the exact opposite of what America did, what this game needs, and that in the 30s and there was a slim-to-none chance of it happening.
Also, you don't have to play extremely to character, no one does, but that was so outside the realist aspect of even Roosevelt's personality it upset me.
Although the US might have this sort of attitude post-WWII, it was a very different country in the Great Depression, at home and abroad. I've studied this era very thoroughly, especially what happened here at home, and I would like to to bare some resemblance to what actually happened.
Again, I apologize for getting so angry, but I think my point was valid and I stick to it. The US was not prepared in any aspect, at this time, to accept the kind of moves that are being made here.
Kennelly Jul 09, 2002, 05:15 PM To:Prime Minister Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
Although the Turkish people have a special hate at your person we will calm down our feelings to talk rationally.
Turkey does not agitate for war!But its very clear you fear for other nations to become more powerful than the once mighty British Empire and want to hold us from gaining resources.So Italy,Turkey and Japan have to defend against this.
However we would sign a NAP with the United Kingdom if you lift your sanctions on the three nations named above and if you give Malta to Italy and Cyprus to our Turkish republic.
To:Chairman Stalin
From:Kemal Atatürk
Do not believe in Churchills words!He seeks do destroy Communism worldwide.Although we don't believe in Communism we are both at least laizistic,not like the British King who is simultaneously head of the Anglican church.
Pachy Jul 09, 2002, 05:18 PM To Russia
From France
Although we don't share a comman border we wish to propose a common border
To America
From France
Tell you lazy fat pigsto really start to think. How can they contuie a neutral postition when trouble is already brewing will you let our all of our men die first before you send ytour a few of your men to last?
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 05:30 PM RULE CHANGE
USA's income is now 780.
UK, carriers can carry 4 fighters or 2 bombers, or any mixture of both (read: 2 fighters and 1 bomber).
rctmasta Jul 09, 2002, 05:31 PM To: Kemal Ataturk
From: Joseph Stalin
While you advise me not to sign a NAP with Churchill you sign one yourself? You are not making sense Kemal...
To: Winston Churchill
From: Joseph Stalin
You also contradict yourself... but I very tentatively accept your Non-Agression Pact. I hope both our countries will prosper.
To: France
From: Joseph Stalin
I agree. We will then sign a Non-Agression Pact.
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 05:32 PM To Britain :
Your embargos against agitating countries are pleasing me very much. USA is happy to see that your country is worrying about these regimes. I will gladly sign a defensive MPP with you.
To France :
As I told before, the alliance I proposed is obsolete. I can't even sign a MPP for the moment because of the situation in USA. I can't afford multiple alliance that could destroy my chances of relection.
To Italy and Mexico :
Even if the AFA isn't a reality anymore, the trade embargo is already in vigor. Unless your regime change.
To Japan :
I respect your long living monarchy but Mandchouria belongs to China, and, as I said before, you have an important role in this Asian tragedy. That's why I'm signing a trade embargo against you unless Mandchouria is returned to China.
With this done, a NAP could be signed between our nations.
To China :
I understand your position but I don't think a militaristic regime is a solution. I will tolerate this regime until mandchouria is given back to your country.
To the others free nations :
You can't count on the USA for the moment but you know my diplomatic position upon fascists regimes. You can count on my diplomatic support.
OOC : Toasty, does the American people agrees to a MPP with England ? ;)
uknemesis Jul 09, 2002, 05:48 PM TO TURKEY
FROM BRITAIN
You have about as much chance of getting territory diplomactically from me as you have of becoming the next Florence Nightingale.
Also, Cyprus isn't held by the British(at least not from what I can see on the map, if it's the island I think it is), and Malta is too important to us(OOC- Kennelly, I know where Malta is, but it's too small to have been shown on the map, so why bother with it?!).
Anyway, if you will forget those outrageous demands, we will sign a NAP with all of your alliance(we haven't yet embargoed them, we just said that we might, read it more closely above).
Britain wishes for war with no one. I know I personally expressed my dislike for fascism and military regimes, and my distaste for Communism, but my people would never support me if I went to war over something they consider so trivial. Plus my dislike isn't strong enough to waste British lives over. Finally, I'm also a businessman, looking to make the Empire wealthy. I'd make a deal with the devil to make the Empire strong! :)
I have learnt the hard way myself how foolish it is to attack Turkey, if you remember. I lost my favourite job over that, was hated by the British public for it, and still the lives of the dead weigh heavily on my conscience.
Finally, I also order a day of Rememberance in Britain for those lost at Gallipolli(spelling?!), British(and Empire troops) and Turkish.
Your friend,
Winston Churchill
Juliennew Jul 09, 2002, 05:57 PM To Russia :
Our NAP is confirmed
Toasty Jul 09, 2002, 06:21 PM OOC: Julien, I'm sorry for getting on your case. I won't interfere unless I find it ABSOLUTELY necessary, as is the case with everyone else. Don't let my, er, shall we say, "comments" be a hindrance to you.
Waiting on orders from das, Demetrias and WarlordMatt. Then we can move on to Summer 1932.
Bill_in_PDX Jul 09, 2002, 07:49 PM News from Beijing
Mao Zedong reviewed the world situation from the Forbidden Palace.
His National Revolutionary Army had only taken command of the government three years earlier with the capture of this city. But now the Japanese assault on Manchuria had left his hold on power in a precarious position. Further losses to the Nippon forces could well lead to even his home province of Hunan falling to local uprisings.
He needed to find peace with the Japanese, and consolidate this part of the world, or he knew that many countries, including the western powers of England, France, and Russia would be drawn into expanding civil war.
Mao hoped that the Emperor of Japan would see the value of a strategic partnership for the future, but had to prepare for the continuing hostilities.
Mao knew that while the short term strategic situation was dire, he had several factors working in his favor for the long run. First, he could eventually outman Japan in the field many fold, and his control of the military was absolute. He could also appeal to the other nations of the world for economic and industrialization assistance. Surely the other powers would like China as a barrier to uncontrolled Japanese agression.
Mao had goals, first the army would be built so China could secure her borders, and secondly, China would rise from a secondary power to a equal partner on the world stage. The people deserved nothing less...
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Urgent Communique
To: Emperor Henry Pu-Yi, Japan
Subj: Proposed Cease Fire
Emperor,
China wishes our hostilities to end. We did not dispute the occupation of Korean territories by the IJA, however we both know the Manchurian Incident was a fabrication, and inturn the occupation of three eastern provinces unlawful.
In return for immediate cease fire and withdrawl from some territories, Bejing will release all claims and recognize Japanese ownership of the Korean peninsula, and the Manchurian Province east of the 124th parallel (OOC: Basically a N-S line through Qiqihar in the north to Fushun in the south on your modern maps).
I hope you will quickly consider this generous offer, as I am afraid I will not be able to control my Generals much longer, who will never stop until all 1 billion Chinese people fight this outrageous occupation.
Regards,
Chairman Mao
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General Communique
To: All Nations of World
Greetings all rulers.
China wishes to return to peaceful co-prosperity. We hope you all will join our cause of peace and encourage the Japanese people to seek the same.
Mao
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Private Communique
To: President Roosevelt
Mr. President,
China acknowledges your comments regarding Japanese involvement with our government.
I can assure you it is my intention to prevent such involvement in the future, as China has been an independant civiliation for all of recorded history. However, China is threatened by expansionist Japan, and we ask for your help with diplomatic pressure and knowledge of industry.
It is my hope that our two cultures can establish a long and fruitful relationship.
Best Regards,
Mao
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Private Communiques
To: PM Churchill, President de Gaulle, and Premier Stalin
China hopes to become a bastion of peace and stability in the SE Asia region. We feel that all three of your great nations may have much interest in seeing that come to pass, allowing you to focus your efforts on other parts of the world.
I offer you all pledges of non-aggression from the Chinese people. I hope you will reciprocate, and perhaps assist China in industrialization.
Regards,
Mao
rctmasta Jul 09, 2002, 08:20 PM To: Mao Zedong
From: Joseph Stalin
Russia accepts your offer and will sign a Non-Agression Pact. Perhaps also when we complete our industilization we will aid in yours.
Demetrias Jul 09, 2002, 10:27 PM To Stalin
From President Benes.
I wish to prepose an alliance between our Great Nations. We do not wish to have to fight the great Russian Power but we also don't wish for the Russian Empire to take over Europe and as such we must ask that you refrain from attacking Any of my allies or Poland. We strongly wish for everlasting Piece between our nations.
To President Roosevelt
From President Benes.
I ask for your continued economic help in rebuilding our contry and the Eternal Peace between our nations. I to support America in their desire to see all the world have the same freedoms that their people enjoy. They may count on the people of Czechoslovakia to help reign in the Expansionist desire of all facist and imperialistic nations.
To Germany
From President Benes.
I ask that you refrain from trying to take back lands with German populations. Any attemp to reunite the German speaking lands will be seen as an attack against czechoslovakia. don't annex austria we will go to war over it. Do not attack poland we will go to war over it. We declare these under the Protection of Czechoslovakia. We offer you a Nap if you will refrain from these expansionistic ways. You may present us with any other offer you wish we are open to negotiations.
To France
From President Benes.
I ask that you grant us a MPP for the protection of our country. We are surrounded by much larger nations and will need all the assitance you can offer to remain free.
Kennelly Jul 10, 2002, 04:14 AM To:Prime Minister Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
The Turkish people see gladly the honor which is given to the Turkish and Empire soldiers who died in 1915.However we still refuse to sign a NAP with a nation who still enslaves big parts of the world and denies Turkey,Japan and Italy their rightful part of the world's resources.As the Turkish Republic and I admire the Western living standard we seek to industrialize our country but this will only be possible with Oil.So I suggest you hand over your protectorates of Iraq,Palestine and Jordan to us so Muslims are ruled by Muslims.If you do this we will sign a friendship pact,lift tariffs for british ships crossing the Bosporus and would create a Jewish territory in Palestine according to the Balfour-declaration of 1917.For peace in the region we would relocate all the Arabs there to Iraq.
[OOC I included Malta and Cyprus just to demand something.But I think Cyprus is British on the map. OOC]
WarlordMatt Jul 10, 2002, 06:15 AM To: Mao Zedong
From: Emperor Henry Pu-Yi
We will accept a peace treaty gladly. We are fellow Asian nations, after all.
To: Roosevelt
From: Emperor Henry Pu-Yi
We have already signed a peace treaty with China, so there is no need to return Manchuria.
To: Italy and other Axis nations
I will consider joining you.
Pachy Jul 10, 2002, 07:42 AM To World
From France
Syria is now an semi-independent nation. We will protect them is they are attacked for the next 5 years, but they will recive self-rule and are in controll of their economy. Lebabnon however shall stay in French hands untill further notice.
To Kemal Atatürk
From France and Syria
Let us put our diffences behind us and sign a NAP.
To Italy
From France
We offer you a NAP so that no more wars will be bettween both of our great nations.
To ALL European Nations
From France
Our long history has been filled with war and hatred. Let us put behind the reilgous and ethnic differences, and create a European Council where we can work out problems before they snowball.
To Chechoslavokia [sp]
From France
We will come to your aid if you are attacked.
Kennelly Jul 10, 2002, 07:58 AM To:Charles DeGaulle and Syrian autonomy office
From:Kemal Atatürk
We see it gladly that you let the Syrian people decide about their fate themselves and we hope you will do the same with the Lebanese people as soon as possible.We ask you to recommend the British to do the same with the Transjordanian and Iraqi people.As we now tend to think you're not so imperialist as Britain we sign a NAP with the French republic and Syria,but should you attack our allies we will defend them.
To:European nations
From:Kemal Atatürk
Turkey does not see need for the French proposed European council.In contrast I suggest we strenghten the League of nations in Geneva by giving her more money.
To:Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
From:Kemal Atatürk
We fully understand your desire to unite all German lands which were stolen by CSR,Belgium,Denmark and Poland.Let us revive our friendship from the Great War.
[OOC Toasty,can we make treaties with minor nations,in my case i.e. with Greece or Bulgaria? OOC]
trader/warrior Jul 10, 2002, 08:10 AM to:britain
from:norway
we accept your mpp offer
to:the world
from:norway
27 years ago norway became a free country afte being a part of sweden for many centuries(dont know how many but it was for a long time).the people now wants to go to war against the swedes.so i am asking you is that OK?
IceEye Jul 10, 2002, 08:12 AM Can I have Taiwan? Or is it a bit early? I think not as the leader of China said he had defeated his enemies 3 years ago. You decide toasty.
Civilization Name: Taiwan
Ruler: Makesu
Capital: Taipei
Government Type: Military Junta
Tech Level: Mid-Industrial
Type of Economy: Mainly Industrial
Seasonal Income: 380
Pachy Jul 10, 2002, 09:03 AM If the Commies have the mainland the nationalists have Taiwan, Pescadores and Amoy.
uknemesis Jul 10, 2002, 09:10 AM TO TURKEY:
We will review our Middle East situation. We will let you know of the results.
TO TOASTY:
How much are the different parts of the Middle East worth to me?
Nemesis
Juliennew Jul 10, 2002, 09:38 AM OOC : No problems Toasty
rctmasta Jul 10, 2002, 10:36 AM To: President Benes
From: Joseph Stalin
I agree, the Non-Agression Pact will be signed
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 11:02 AM SKILORD is taking china.
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 11:04 AM wait.. i thought you needed some1 for china?
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 11:12 AM Never mind i'll be Poland instead as you have apparently filled that void.
Demetrias Jul 10, 2002, 11:22 AM To the Ruler of Poland.
From President Benes of Czechoslovakia.
As i see it our two nations recently freed from our ages of persecution from foreign powers should unite in an alliance to further prevent these powers from subjegating us once again. We should join our nations to protect all of eastern Europe.
Your hopeful Southern Neighbor.
Toasty Jul 10, 2002, 11:27 AM Sorry, double post.
Toasty Jul 10, 2002, 11:27 AM uknemesis: I would wager Iraq and Palestine to be worth a great deal to Great Britain as her only major source of oil. Iraq is valued at 140g, while Palestine is valued at about 30g.
IceEye: The Military Junta in China is due to a "cease fire" for the Chinese Civil War due to war with Japan. Also, Taiwan is controlled by Japan. Therefore, there is no reason for Taiwan to be an independent country, and I must deny you the ability to run the island.
SKILORD: What will your leader's name be?
Awaiting orders from das and SKILORD :goodjob:.
Kennelly: Yes, you can. That's why there is the entente petit, Austro-Italian alliance, etc.
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 11:30 AM President Waldemar Wilczynski accepts the alliance and sets to work on his orders (orders! :eek:)
Bill_in_PDX Jul 10, 2002, 11:31 AM OOC - It appears to me that Formosa belongs to Japan on that map. Should Taiwan rise up and throw off the oppressors, then the People's Republic would have no objections ;-)
Bill
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 11:49 AM The President had finished his orders, He knew his nation wasn't a powerhouse and he was quite afraid that a vengeful germany would try to dismantle it, a simple task as most of his forces were antiquated, he laughed Cavalry in this day and age. No the horse had outlived it's usefulness as a beast of war. He pet his shiney new tanks. He would be ready for anything, yes indeed he would.
Toasty Jul 10, 2002, 11:52 AM To: President Charles de Gaulle of France
What absurd propositions you make! Non-Aggression Pacts, European Council?! Sounds like the spineless, decadent will of the syphillis-infected drunkards of the French burgoise, pacifist government!
To spit on our inheritance to the glory that was Rome, deny us our brotherly lands in Tunisia and now turn around and preach of peace? I hate the word, as I hate hell, all Frenchmen and thee.
Do not try and fool us. We have no friends in France. You simply view us as "sales macaroni." Take your foolish ideals of peace where people may yet listen to your constant rambling.
Bill_in_PDX Jul 10, 2002, 11:52 AM Peace in Southeast Asia
Mao was elated at the news that the suddenly reasonable Japanese Emporer had accepted his peace offering. Further, the British and Russian leaders had responded favorably to his requests.
Mao made his historic announcements in Tiennamen Square, after observing the review of just one of the many, many new infantry regiments that made up the People's Army.
"Citizens of the People's Republic, I am pleased to bring you many good tidings on this day.
First, we have reached a peace agreement with Japan on the division of territory in the Korean Peninsula and Manchura. Thanks to this agreement, the bloodshed will end immediately, and our citizens west of the 124th parallel will soon be back in our communal family. Yes, we did concede a small bit of Chinese territory, as well claims over the Korean provinces in this agreement, however, as you will see, the return is worth our sacrifice.
Second, in order to deter such aggresiveness in the future, I have taken several steps including vastly expanding the People's Defense Force.
Third, I intend to enter China as an equal partner on the world stage. We accept Chairman Stalin's offer for a non-aggression pact, and pledge China to that pact today.
Fourth, soon I will announce a industrialization and defense partnership with another European country, and we look forward to building that relationship.
Friends and partners, China is now at peace, and together we will build a modern industrial nation that will be allowed to remain at peace through the remainder of this century."
Mao listened with pride to the applause and cheers. He always took amusement at the sight of the large posters all adorned with his face. The plans were proceeding forward...
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Private Communique
To: Emperor Henry Pu-Yi, Japan
PEACE TREATY
I confirm your acceptance of peace. My forces have taken pure defensive postures, and await your withdrawl to 124 degrees.
It is my hope that over time we can put these hostilities behind us and build a lasting economic partnership.
Mao
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Private Communique
To: Premier Stalin, USSR
NON-AGGRESSION PACT
China confirms her allegence and pledge of non-aggression toward our fellow People's government.
Mao
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Private Communique
To: P%$#%**(()()) (scrambled for secrecy)
MUTUAL PROTECTION PACT AND ECONOMIC PARTNERSHIP
Friend, China has achieved peace as discussed previously, therefore we accept your offer as defined in my last message.
I will allow you the honor of making the public announcement.
Mao
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 11:57 AM To Premeir Stalin, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics:
We, the proud people of Poland offer you an NAP.
Pachy Jul 10, 2002, 12:42 PM To the nation to the SE of France full of unpotty-trained Leaders also klnow as Italy.
From France
We will not hand over any land to your spineless regiem. Nor are you the heirs to the Roman Empire. Ha to event think of it is abusrd. It is amazing how the likes of a moron could have become the ruler of Italy. Give it up the you lost the land 1300 years ago.
das Jul 10, 2002, 01:02 PM TO ATATURK, CHURCHILL, CHARLES DE GAULLE AND ROOSVELT: I, Chancellor of German People, propose that we will all unite into one Alliance, poised to keep Democracy safe. The name for the alliance is League of Democracy.
Personally, I propose the following:
Article 1: Allies withdraw from all of their occupation zones in Germany and Ruhr will be reunited with Germany.
Article 2: If one member of alliance is attacked then everyone else assits the nation udner attack.
Article 3: All of members will have Right of Passage.
Article 4: For each ten years, General Secretary will be eleted.
Article 5: There will be an official forum (thread), where al lthe discussions will be held.
Article 6: In order to apply for membership, the nation must switch to Republic/Democracy/Constitutional Monarchy first.
rctmasta Jul 10, 2002, 01:10 PM To: Waldemar Wilczynski
From: Joseph Stalin
The "proud people of Poland's" NAP will be signed by Russia...
das Jul 10, 2002, 01:12 PM OOC: Can we get ourselves into civil wars?
Toasty Jul 10, 2002, 01:15 PM If you want, I suppose you could declare a state of civil war has erupted in your country, and I'll make players, map, etc. as necessitated...
das Jul 10, 2002, 01:19 PM Thanks, I think that for realism we could have some fighting with Nazis...
But that's later.
Now for my orders.
das Jul 10, 2002, 01:37 PM TO ITALY: I propose a Non-Agression Pact with you, and other Axis Members.
TO CHAI KAI SHEK: I would like to inform you that I think that your government is the only rightful one in China.
Demetrias Jul 10, 2002, 02:37 PM To Germany
From Czechoslavakia
Do not forget the small Democracies my friend we to might wish to join your league. I for one would enjoy becoming the first charter membor of this new league.
To The League of Nations.
From Czechoslovakia.
My contry has recently been plagued by uprisings of nationalist Hungarians supported by the Hungarian Nation. We feel threatened by this nations leanings to reunifications of its old lands and ask to be allow to extract punitive payments for the destruction and death these nationals have caused.
Signed President Benes.
Kennelly Jul 10, 2002, 02:40 PM To:Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
From:Kemal Atatürk
We would be willing to sign such a pact as proposed with the German Empire,but I recommend you not to sign anything more than a NAP with the Imperialists in Washington,London and Paris which try to keep the mighty German and Turkish people down.I suggest you join the Axis Rome-Ankara, which probably soon will also include Japan.All our nations have a lack of resources and if we work together we can fix that problem.
To:Waldemar Wilczynski
From:Kemal Atatürk
Turkey congratulates you to your election but you have to stop the oppression of German people in Poznan and Western Prussia.
To:European nation working together with PRC
From:Kemal Atatürk
Be aware that if Japan joins the Axis we will have an offensive MPP with the Empire of Japan.
To:Charles DeGaulle
From:Kemal Atatürk
We know Algeria is integral part of 'la grande nation' but you should hand over Tunisia to Italy as they have rightful wishes for this territory.
Demetrias Jul 10, 2002, 02:50 PM Today the Congress of the Republic of Czechoslovakia has voted to allow the creation of Autonomous States of Slovakia and the Sub-Carpathian Ruhr, to be renamed Carpathia. These states shall be join to the Czech republic in a Federation. The Czech Republic as the leading state of this Federation will have complete Authority over military and Foriegn policy while these to state with thier own congress and Governors shall decide all domestic policies within their own borders. This decision came after a spree of Nationalist uprisings lead by a Hungarian reunification party. This move will insure the Loyalty and devotion of the Slovakian nationals for decades to come and hopefully strengthen the nation in the times to come.
trader/warrior Jul 10, 2002, 03:10 PM would anybody stop me if i invaded sweden?
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 03:15 PM To:Waldemar Wilczynski
From:Kemal Atatürk
Turkey congratulates you to your election but you have to stop the oppression of German people in Poznan and Western Prussia.
To Kemal:
I thank you for your kind reccomendation, I must remind you though that Polish Domestic affairs have nothing to do with you and you have no right to demand our domestic actions in any way.
sorry but we shall do as we please.
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 03:23 PM Poland would provide air support to you if you invaded Sweden, we are building our Air Force and will soon be able to transport them across the water. Maybe i'll aid you on the ground too.
(Spanish Civil war ring any bells?)
Demetrias Jul 10, 2002, 03:28 PM To Norway
From President Benes
No as long as you will agree to back us when we go to war with hungary. Other wise there might be some conflict. And you really should worry about Russia intervening as Scadanavia is their little play ground not ours.
trader/warrior Jul 10, 2002, 03:38 PM to:benes
from:jonas
wery well we shal assist you when you go to war.i have a NAP with russia,but thanx for the warning anyway.
to:poland
from:norway
we would appriciate it if you could give us some air support because we can only use 1 bomber.
Kennelly Jul 10, 2002, 03:39 PM The Turkish Republic strongly condemns the aggression of Norway.There are two justified reasons for war:freeing minorities from oppression,i.e. Germans in Poland,Italians in Yugoslavia or Hungarians in CSR;or if new resources are the only way to survive,i.e. our great nation,Italy or Japan.But as there is not one Norwegian oppressed and Norway has plenty of Oil and water power this is pure aggression,but we are not surprised about this considering the behave of Norway's allies France and Britain.
Turkey will demand a special meeting of the League of nations to take action against Norway and possibly Poland.
Toasty Jul 10, 2002, 04:24 PM Zurich Times
Spring 1932
International Economics
Resources in the territories of Great Britain, Podasia, Canada, Taranto, the Bosporous and the Western Coast of the USA have all reported massive industrial expansion, most notably in the USA.
As many nations scramble to recover from the sorrowful effects of the Great Depression, or brace for it, industrial expansion has become the word. In all of these regions, extensive income enhancement projects have begun in steel, rubber, motorcars and--most notably--weapons and mobilized arms.
However, none have made a show compared to Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his "New Deal" program that is catapulting the United States firmly at the head of geoeconomics. With no less than 7 new industrial districts, that's right, seven, the economy is expected to have a 13.46% rate of growth for this season alone.
This makes America a hotspot for economic activity, and its stock exchange has continued to go up since Roosevelt initiated his mass reforms on the country. J.J. Astor was reported to be "filthy stinking rich!" by his fellow Oregonians from the massive construction, and several wealthy Europeans flocked to California, Oregon and Washington in hopes of expanding new wealth. It has also encouraged more immigration, and stemmed the flow of people leaving the U.S. because of the economic situation there.
Following the United States for Seasonal Growth was the Fascist state of Italy, growing a respectable 5.31%, however this is also due to Berluciane's flawless execution of Abyssinian annexation. Berluciane, suit to character, called it "an example of the Fascist state's superiority over the plutocratic Democracies of the West," while addressing the bonus found in Washington as "Imperialist propaganda." This however barely topped the United Kingdom, with a 5% growth rate this season for her industrialization across Chruchill's Atlantic center.
Poland and Turkey, two relatively weak and impoverished countries faced with hardship managed to squeak out 4.16% seasonal increase for both of them. Considering their hard spots, this has been a "great accomplishment for [national] economics," according to Kemal Ataturk, whom held a press conference following the reports.
However, not everything is coming up roses. The Parisian stock economy, hard hit by the delayed depression now spreading in France, saw a 1.12% decrease--a grim trend that has been continuing for three straight quarters now.
Other nations hurt this quarter included Japan. Emperor Pu-Yi's decision to make peace with China, considered by many high-ranking Japanese officials a foolish move, cost them dearly and signified their dependence on foreign lands for their resources. Taking a steep fall, the Tokyo market headed downward at 8.82%.
Other nations information: Moscow was up slightly for the capture of desert lands in Mongolia at 0.5%, while Beijing (as proclaimed by Mao Zedong with the establishment of the People's Republic), saw a 4.34% increase for the establishment of Western Manchuria as Chinese. This was significantly less than the Chinese stock traders had predicted--however, most failed to realize the importance of this Region to Japan and its relative unimportance to China--most of the resources here were readily avaliable in other lands. Norway suffered a 0.4% decrease from many foreign investors fearing an unfortunate war with Sweden, while Germany went up 0.2% due to the progressive deals made with the West.
OOC: All nations that went down except Japan will not have any effect on their economy. All nations with reported increase did increase their economies. You can check the country listings for your current income.
This is Dr. Fredrich Blucher for the Zurich Times, wishing you happy hunting in your stock endeavors.
Military Actions Across the Globe
Berluciane avenged the humiliating defeat of the Italian Monarchy this season with his invasion and subsequent annexation of the Abyssinian empire. The Emperor was shot at dawn on April 5th, as were any other government officials in an effort for the Italians to immediately supress any nationalistic emotions of the Abyssinian peoples. First on their list was the teaching of the Fascist salute, and the morning praise of Il Duce Berluciane. This land, while relatively worthless, was taken without casualties to the Italian armed forces--three tank regiments, accompanied by two infantry regiments, smashed the small resistance of three Abyssinian infantry regiments.
On the other side of the globe, Stalin ruthlessly executed an invasion of the Mongolian client-state to the Soviet Union. This was reportedly after the government refused a 20-hour ultimatum to be annexed by the Soviet Union. The Soviet troops, ordinarily prepared for Winter warfare, could not advance quickly in the Gobi Desert. While they did destroy any forces they encountered (2 infantry), they have only destroyed one-half of the Mongolian forces. Russian casualties amounted to one infantry regiment.
Geopolitics
The Italian Fascist state retained its aggressive stance as it signed an alliance with the Turkish Republic. Fascism, actively opposed by several nations in the world, seemed to have some "wiggle room" as Berluciane initiated his unannounced invasion of Abyssinia.
On the Western side of the fence, the Democracies set up a ring of alliances to counter the Fascist aggressive intent, but this fell through in the American abdication and the ending of the Italian embargo by Great Britain.
Most of the world as of yet remains peaceful, as signified by the Far Eastern peace treaty in which China gained back a little more than half of her lost land in Manchuria along the 124th paralell.
Hopefully we will not see any more aggression in the next few seasons.
MAP:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/HNESII-SP1932.gif
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 04:38 PM Polish President Waldemar Wilczynski is declared Leader (A position which means basically the same thing as Fuher or Il Duce) because of fear of communist rebels, the secret police, a recently formed group, are moving swiftly against these rebels.
We are now more similar to fascism than democracy. We take this stance because germany seems like: too much of a wimp to become dominate.
We end the opression of germans in the areas mentioned by turkey.
we wish to join the axis eventually and are reevaluating our foreign policy to be freindly to members of that pact.
Our former foreign minister has been sacked.
OOC: I need a link to the map please, i can't see images that use the [img thing.
Kennelly Jul 10, 2002, 04:50 PM To:Waldemar Wilczynski
From:Kemal Atatürk
We see it gladly that you see it is necessary to have a strong government and that you end oppression of our German friends.
Turkey will vote for you becoming a member of the Axis if you do two things:-you pull back your assistance for Norway and
-you leave the 'Entente petite'.I know it's a hard choice,but your present allies of CSR and Yugoslavia don't even come together to the population and territory of Turkey,so working together with the Axis will give you much more.
To:Il Duce
From:Kemal Atatürk
The Turkish people congratulate you to your absorbation of Abyssinia.We know you only did this because of the lack of resources for Italy and because France and Britain deny you your rightful part of Africas richdoms.
uknemesis Jul 10, 2002, 05:15 PM TO FRANCE, AMERICA, GERMANY, NORWAY AND CHINA, AND BY EXTENSION, THE ENTENTE PETIT, AND PERHAPS POLAND
We may have to call upon you to aid us soon in halting the Axis aggression. They seem to think that they have a right to British lands(and French too). They forget the complicated web of MPPs Britain is in(the Entente Petit and Poland being brought in by the one with France), which will result in a full scale war should any Axis power attack an ally of Britain(or Britain herself).
Britain wishes to live peacefully, but with hate-filled warmongers like the Turks and the Italians out there, it's going to be tough.
Finally, I announce that in return for 50 gold in aid to Turkey, Britian has signed an MPP with them.
Germany, we accept the MPP proposal with you(that alliance idea).
Finally, Britain would like to reinforce it's position as a peaceful world power by signing MPPs with Poland and Russia(or NAPs if not).
And Britain continues to give her colonies more independence due to the Military District idea, and more national assemblies for many of our colonies.
So Turkey had better stop whining, or she may find out just how Britain became a world power...
TO ITALY
You dare insult our friends in France? People like you are the arrogant warmongers that started the Great War(although I admit Italy was much more peaceful then).
Churchill
uknemesis Jul 10, 2002, 05:18 PM We also offer a MPP to Czechoslovakia.
Churchill
SKILORD Jul 10, 2002, 06:02 PM Turkey will vote for you becoming a member of the Axis if you do two things:-you pull back your assistance for Norway and
-you leave the 'Entente petite'.I know it's a hard choice,but your present allies of CSR and Yugoslavia don't even come together to the population and territory of Turkey,so working together with the Axis will give you much more.
Leave the ''Entente petite'...... it is done, a simple thing.
I will pull back my support if i am allowed to expand elsewhere to gain resources sorely needed for my industrialization program
To France:
I am leaving you, i have tried to all day (just ask toasty lol) and my new freinds want me to. so there!
uknemesis Jul 10, 2002, 06:26 PM TO POLAND
You could have gained those resources easily by asking your allies for aid. Britain has already helped one nation in need, and we may even have given you some colonies for your supplies.
But now you join the enemy of democracy. I wish you well my friend, as you will no more gain resources with them than you will get blood out of a stone. They are cruel, and greedy. Perhaps you like that, but you will not gain anything, even over a million dead bodies.
Yes, I am not scared to talk of war casualties. The Axis are hurtling the world towards war once more, and there will likely be many many deaths if they do not stop their aggressive and greedy ways.
I just hope a lot more of those deaths are Axis soldiers rather than the brave men who fight for democracy and for freedom!
Churchill
Toasty Jul 10, 2002, 06:50 PM To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
You may find yourself prepared to talk about war casualties, sir Churchill, but what of your people? What of the families of the one-and-a-half million dead British soldiers? Are your people prepared to face the same slaughter that was found on the fields of the Somme and in Ypres?
Your soft-bellied Democracies may talk of war, but in the end you'll be hard-pressed to find a person on the streets of London prepared to go to war over some tiny little empire in the corner of Africa, or against an Italian or Pollock who loves his government despite the flowing propaganda your imperialist attitudes create.
Enjoy your war talks, Churchill; we are not intimidated by you, nor your French lackeys.
Juliennew Jul 10, 2002, 07:10 PM To Germany - Norway and Czecoslovakia
I'm happy to see that it remains some small nations to deny the fascism horror. I'm very worried of the recent developments in Europe
- The extension to the Axis to Poland
- Abbyssia's annexion by Italy
- The rearmement of these countries
- The menaces uttered by their leaders upon free nations
To avoid any conversion of your countries to fascism, I propose you a special economical help from USA.
Anyway, you must be a republic, a democracy or a constitutional monarchy in order to take advantage of this help.
These helps will be examined case by case, as soon as you give me favorable answers.
Juliennew Jul 10, 2002, 07:21 PM As you could see the last free monthes, the fascist threat is expanding. Britain and France are, at the moment, the only nations who can faces a war against the Axis. But what about of theses newly formed nations like Norway, Czecoslovakia and Germany ? American's soldiers died during the WW1 to free them. Is this sacrifice ad in vain ? No he musn't !! I can't let them become as thay were before : People without any rights.
That's why I decided to help them in their industrialization in order for them to make defend themselves if needed. And the benefit on the USA's economy made by the New Deal permit this help. I'm sure you will understand and I'm sure the American people will understand.
Bill_in_PDX Jul 10, 2002, 08:52 PM China's Next Steps
Mao begain his industrialization program in earnest. However, he needed more resources to support the move to a modern economy.
Meanwhile, Chinese nationals in southern Mongolia and Tibet continued to be harrassed and killed by local warlords in these undefined territories. Mao had brought peace to Manchuria, he intended to bring peace to these regions as well.
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PRESS RELEASE - DIPLOMATIC NOTICE
To: All Nations of the World
Subj: Chinese Territorial Rights
Fellow leaders, Chinese nationals are being killed and tortured daily in Tibet and Southern Mongolia. The rival factions controlling territories in these areas must be defeated and consolodated in a humanitarian way for the good of all citizens in the region.
I will be ordering Chinese troops to establish order in these regions, and invite Russian forces to meet us at Ular Bator lest they feel we are taking aggressive action.
Further, in an act of fairness, all nations should recognize the claim China now makes on the unincorporated areas of Borneo and the Celebes in the SE Pacific. This is only fair given that all other major nations of the world hold colonies in many territories, including the mighty United States, who seems to enjoy making judgements on the actions of other sovereign nations, yet is not willing to help a struggling country such as China with her development.
I am hopeful you all will see the neccesity of these humanitarian missions.
Mao
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Private Communique
To: Prime Minister Churchill and Premier Stalin
Subj: Chinese Humanitarian Missions
Hail Friends,
This note is further assurance that Chinese forces are purely defensive in nature, and will not be threatening to your interests in the region.
Regards
Mao
Demetrias Jul 10, 2002, 09:51 PM To churchill
From President Benes.
Yes i would welcome a MPP with your great nation. We appreciate all the help we can get to insure our safety.
To the World.
From President Benes.
Early i said would protect all the Nations in Eastern Europe but one of these nations has decide to forgo our protestion for the empty promises of a far away nation. As such i renounce any aid to Poland any action taken against this nation will be ignored by my country. i can not support the increase in facist nations. this movement to oppress other people for the problems facing your government is a pathetic excuss for a propaganda campaign.
To Turkey.
From President Benes.
Sir i think you miss understand my state. i said my nation was having problems with nationalist uprisings by my hungarian nationals. they are not an uppressed minority. In fact we have establish a minority rights bill with the league of nations and an excellent bill of rights for all peoples in our nation. these people have been unduly instigated by agents of the Hungarian Nation and as such we ask for retribution against that nation. I do not blaim the good Hungarian people who have always been good neighbors of the Czech people but blame their corrupt government which dreams of a reunited Empire. i thank you in advance for your understanding and hopefully for support in gain this retribution from this aggressive nation.
Kennelly Jul 11, 2002, 01:47 AM To:Hungarian government
From:Kemal Atatürk
Of Course we do not believe the lies told by the bastard nation CSR about your fellow citizens being oppressed.As you are almost only surrounded by enemies I suggest we sign a MPP and revive our friendship from the Great War.
To:Waldemar Wilczynski
From:Kemal Atatürk
Welcome!
You have allied yourselves with young,powerful and dynamic Republics now,no longer with dwarfs like CSR or decadent monarchies like Britain and Norway.Of course you are allowed to gain resources elsewhere and we will support you.
To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
You lost so many men fighting my country and this was onky against the weak Sultan.Now you'd have to face a republic with loyal citizens.It would be the end of the Empire,so be wise.
To:Mao Zedong
From.Kemal Atatürk
We strongly support you freeing your fellows in Tibet and Monglia.
trader/warrior Jul 11, 2002, 05:03 AM norway is now officially at war with sweden.
Kennelly Jul 11, 2002, 02:05 PM Two decadent monarchies fighting eachother.The Turkish people are not surprised by this.But as I stated above there is no justfied reason for war as in Italys or Chinas case so Turkey calls out an Embargo for Norwegian goods and I ask my Axis friends to do so as well.I also will phone the Sec.Gen. of the League of Nations to open an emergency meeting of the General Assembly.
Demetrias Jul 12, 2002, 10:37 PM To Roosevelt
From Czechoslovakia
I would like to ask for your assitance in industrializing my nation. I have been informed that you are supporting democracys around the world to better themselves in an effort to stem the tide of Facism and Dictatorship. As a young Democracy i ask for your monetary support in industrializing the Slovakian lands of my nation. As you may knew they have not received the blessing that Czech her self did in being heavily industrialized by our former governing power. This assistance will be must help full inkeep my country from falling to the Facist powers of the world. Please consider my nation for your plan. May the democracies of the world continue to unite for the porpuse of giving freedom to all the peoples of this world.
The ever valent defender of democracy
Eduard Benes.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 04:15 AM "Never in the history of the British Empire have we seen such dark days as those we see ahead.
"Britain is threatened by many enemies, all intent on destroying her and her Empire. Well let them try. Britain will fight them in India, fight them in Australia, fight them in Libya, fight them in Canada, fight them on the oceans and at home, for we will never surrender!
"Some of our friends waste their militaries in petty wars against fellow democracies. Can they not see the true threat of the Axis powers? If war comes, Britain must rely on her allies for support, and yet many of these weaken themselves with these foolish skirmishes. I call upon them to halt these actions, for united we will stand, divided we will fall!
"To the people of my dearest Britain, we all know how dark the future may be. But I promise you this, while there is still breath in my lungs and blood in my veins, I will never compromise, never come to terms, never surrender!
"For if Britain and her Empire live for a thousand years, men will still say: "This was their finest hour!"!"
The House of Commons erupted into cheers. Some had been doubtful of Churchill, but when he brought news to the Parliament of just how strong the Axis were, and what they were threatening, he had become instantly popular for speaking out against them. He had been elected Prime Minister not soon after, and now strove to defeat any attempt to take the Empire from Britain.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 04:20 AM TO NORWAY
FROM CHURCHILL
We in no way support your attack on Sweden.
TO TURKEY
FROM CHURCHILL
I find it very hypocritical of you that you condemn Norway's attack on Sweden, but you don't condemn Italy's expansion in Africa.
Double standards, don't you think?
TO ITALY
FROM CHURCHILL
I am very upset that you would invade a poor country, and condemn such actions.
das Jul 13, 2002, 06:04 AM To Eduard Benes.
From Lettow von Vorbeck.
Congratulations on being the first one to join League of Democracy.
To Il Duce Roberto Berluciane.
From Lettow von Vorbeck.
I AM OUTRAGED AT YOUR AGGRESSION IN ABYSSINIA. I DEMAND THAT YOU WITHDRAW FROM ETHIOPIA DURING NEXT 6 Months, or we will have to go to war, that will not end until Italian Government agrees to:
A) Withdraw from Abyssynia, and return it to its rightful ruler.
B) Compensate all of the damage done to Abyssinians.
C) Run democratic elections in Italy.
SPECIAL ORDERS:
- New Deal: For those who don't have a job, they could always contribute to struggle against Evils of This World, by working on weapon factories, airplanes (military, and not military), iron mines, and Elbe Extension Project (Elbe Canal) to Berlin. Other jobs will soon be available.
- Embargo: We thereby proclaim embargo on all Italian goods, and goods of their allies ifthey don't switch sides now. The embargo will be lifted, as soon as Italians leave Abyssynia. We also hope that other democratical nations will join this embargo.
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 07:28 AM The Austrian was sitting at the railroad station. Peacefully waiting for his train to come in, waiting to leave Berlin to do some campaigning.
“Hey Nazi!” a boy yelled, running at him. The Austrian tried to react by standing up.
It was a mistake.
The child hit him hard, knocking him to the train tracks. The Austrian stood up, his leg pulsing with pain. He had a special place for that kid… later. He looked to his right.
He cursed. A train.
He was paralyzed with fear, staring as death hurried towards him. It inched closer and closer to the Austrian when suddenly a second person hit him, knocking him out of the path of death. He landed in the soft grass and stood up, thanking his savior and helping him up. He stood there, the words had already left his mouth, and he couldn’t take them back.
A Jew, a Jew had saved him. He forgot about the train, thanking the man again in his shock and confusedly stammering back to his residency. He owed his life to a Jew. In an instant his whole life had changed. He sat there pondering his prejudices and patriotism. National Socialism was dead in Germany. He would go elsewhere, to a land where the people would understand fascism better and with lots of Jews… he liked Jews now. A land of potential that did not want to be wasted as the chancellor of Germany demanded that their potential be squandered.
He took the last of his money and bought a ticket, one way.
To Poland.
Adolph Hitler had abandoned the Germans.
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 07:32 AM Perchance not very convincing but more so than some things here :rolleyes:
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 07:46 AM "I Have a Dream!" The Leader announced," A new nation must make it's mark upon the world, that nation is us. I can see a new Polish empire, extending it's reign over all of Europe and destroying the 'democracies' and 'monarchies' that plauge this world. Governments that pretend to give their people rights. What rights? the right to starve? since convrting from the republic we have not watched our children die as grain is denyed them. We have found work and fed our families. Those in England and America, jealous of our growing power have condemned us and prepared to make war with an ally of ours, even though that ally was only taking that wich rightly belonged to him.
"But that is not what we have gathered for today. I have gathered you to introduce you to a new member of our parliment, a man of influence and charisma. Adolf Hitler!"
The new man stepped up to the pedestal and presented his fascist salute.
"Germany was too weak for me to make my message known! Poland will be strong, the Third Reich will not be German! but Polish!"
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 08:15 AM Originally posted by das
A) Withdraw from Abyssynia, and return it to its rightful ruler.
B) Compensate all of the damage done to Abyssinians.
C) Run democratic elections in Italy.
...
- Embargo: We thereby proclaim embargo on all Italian goods, and goods of their allies ifthey don't switch sides now. The embargo will be lifted, as soon as Italians leave Abyssynia. We also hope that other democratical nations will join this embargo.
Firstly, we do not need Democratic elections because we all know well what the outcome would be. Whatever unpopular aftertaste I have left in the mouths of the money-sucking Communist-Capitalist coalition against Fascism does not reside here in Italy. While your people live in lavish homes and make tens of thousands of dollars a year, we have the Italian farmers and industrial workers. The man with six children whose land is struggling because of drought and economic depression that has put his full faith in Fascism, and the call for even a likeness to Democracy is nothing but an attempt at interfering with Italian sovreignty. We will not tolerate that.
Also note that in his megalomanic call for an end to my occupation of Abyssinia he completely ignores his ally's invasion of a sovreign country with a constitution--Sweden. While he can allow fellow Europeans to be put to the blade he screams until his face turns blue about the righteous Fascists who de-throned the despotic emperor, doing almost no damage to Abyssinian land, which has only prospered since it was annexed by my country.
We spit on these demands, Lorbec. Whatever you're smoking to turn against someone sharing largely in your beliefs against Communism had better wear off soon.
trader/warrior Jul 13, 2002, 08:18 AM norway has started an embargo against italy and its allies
to:noways allies
from:norway
i understand that the war against sweden is only between me and sweden so i will not seek help from you.
to:italy
from:norway
i started the war against sweden because my people wanted it.
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 08:26 AM Started the war against Sweden because your people wanted it? If that justification meant anything I would have said it about Abyssinia long ago!
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 10:07 AM TO NORWAY
FROM CHURCHILL
I see no reasoning behind your foolish invasion. If you weren't an ally, I would already be threatening you with war. However, you are, and we all need to remain strong in the face of the fascist Axis powers, which means not fighting among ourselves.
I condemn your actions in the strongest sense, but will not act for the Axis threaten us.
TO ITALY
FROM CHURCHILL
You think just because Norway does such a stupid act that it legalises yours? Neither are right, so you have no justification for your actions just as Norway has none for theirs. I add my voice to those demanding you leave Abyssinia immediately. If you do this, I can promise you that I will make Norway withdraw too. Please do this and not force a war which will soak the world in blood.
Consider your actions, for if you do not act wisely, the millions of deaths will be upon your head.
TO TURKEY AND JAPAN
FROM CHURCHILL
If war against Italy should become a reality, I suggest you keep out of it, for surely you do not want another world war?
France, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Norway(if the fool stops invading nations of no meaning to the war), America(by my MPP with them they must join the war if Britain is threatened, as it surely will be), China and many others will fight the Axis should war come. I suggest you not try and fight against such overwhelming odds, for I will also be talking to Stalin in an effort to persuade him to join our cause, or at least remain neutral.
TO STALIN
FROM CHURCHILL
Hail friend, please accept the personal message I have sent to you.
TO POLAND
FROM CHURCHILL
I would warn you against joining the Axis. Hitler is a fool with nothing but ambition and stupidity to drive him. Please don't follow him blindly.
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 10:15 AM Hitler is a freind of the leaders and a powerful member of the parliment!
Leave him be. Noone who brought with him the blitzkreg and Gen. Erwin Rommel can be all bad.
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 10:17 AM We have already joined. Any attack made on the peace loving Italians will be not taken well in warsaw.
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 10:23 AM To: Prime Minister Churchill
Look. Here's how it is. I do not seek justification through the Norwegian aggression but say that your standing by while it happens and taking swift action against my annexation of Abyssinia makes your valor hollow and you should not claim to be fighting for the Abyssinians.
Churchill, I have never been rude or unkind to you and do not seek to soak the world with blood over Abyssinia. However, so long as Norway's invasion of Sweden as a contitutional and self-determined government, I cannot accept the fact that you will demand on me to withdraw from Abyssinia while "condemning" Norway and sitting on your laurels.
Need I remind you that Abyssinia was controlled by a tribal Emperor that brought about the weakness of the country? Under the Italian right wing they can find warmth and growth.
"Hollow Valor" is something I would most definitely use to describe you and your allies' actions, Sir Winston. Do not seek to hurt an old friend that doesn't make hostile intentions towards you. Abyssinia's annexation will help both them and the Italians, and as I see it, there is no reason for complaint.
Cordially,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 10:51 AM I take it then that you will install a self-ruling government in Abyssinia and then leave? I thought not. I have condemned Norway, and once I am able to stop worrying about the Axis attacking the British Empire, then I will act to help Sweden. But at least Norway is a democracy, and Sweden will be free to choose until I help free them.
I must prioritise my objectives. Norway is a democracy, and therefore free, and so I have no real fear for the safety of Sweden, despite feeling that they should be free. However, I am very concerned about the well-being of Abyssinians under a fascist government.
I wish the Axis no harm, but with the insults being spouted by your ally Turkey, and sometimes by you, I feel I have no other option than to consider you hostile.
I hope you will prove yourselves worthy of trust from now on, by not attacking Britain or any of her allies.
Else you will feel her wrath.
Churchill
TO POLAND
FROM CHURCHILL
You have made your bed. Now you must lie in it. I wish you well old friend.
But how can you call the Italians peace loving? Just like the idiotic Norwegians, they are making war against feeble nations!
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 10:54 AM To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
If I give you my word that no 'atrocities' will be committed in Abyssinia, and that each and every person living in the area is given the same rights as an Italian man, woman or child, will you allow me to keep the land?
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 10:57 AM I do not wish war over Abyssinia, as I am sure you have realised. So long as you treat the people there with respect, I will leave the issue for now, as I may soon appear a hypocrite with the Norwegians acting so foolishly and the Abyssinians being treated well.
I wish to sign a non-aggression pact with Italy, to ensure that even if the Axis and the Allies go to war, we will not clash, and therefore guarantee the security of our African colonies(and saving them from the bloodshed).
Churchill
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 10:59 AM I agree with you entirely on the matter. I am glad that at least one of the allies can come to see that there is a greater goal than the defeat of Fascism. Italy will sign the non-aggression pact with her newfound friends in Great Britain in the hopes to reach Italy's security beyond what has been laid out for her.
Demetrias Jul 13, 2002, 11:53 AM To Poland
From Czechoslovakia
I am sorry my old friend that you have been saddled with such a mad man. You have invited the wolf into your house. i hope you have the wisdom to kill him before he destroys you from the inside. He is a charismatic leader who does not respect the ideas of others. If you listen to him to much you will die and if you don't he might just have you killed. May to be always vigilant because with him around you will have to be.
To Churchill
From Eduard Benes.
Why have you done such a thing? Why would you forsake your allies to sign a peace treaty with the facist? Will you leave you small allies with out a way to defend themselves? You say you are worried about the growing power of facism and how at their current strenght they present a threat to the secuirity of your land, But what will your supporters say now that you have let the facist get even stronger. How will you keep them behind you now that you have betrayed them. You must reconsider your position on this issue for all our sakes yours and mine.
Your Ally
Eduard Benes.
To the League of Nations
From Czechoslovakia
Once again the Hungarian nationals have resson agaisnt my nation lead by insurrectsionist from the Hungarian Nation. My government can not continue to ignore these threats to our national secuirity. We ask that the Hungarian Nation be force into giving up reperations in the form of 100 gold a turn for the next five years to repay our nation for the destruction they have caused. We do not wish to go to war with this nation but unless this council does something about these terroist actions we will be forced to go to war.
Signed Your Hopeful Member State
Czechoslovakia
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 11:58 AM To: The World, League of Natons
Should Czechoslovakia even CONSIDER so much as to take actual military action against the friendly Hungarian state the Italian military, and in such the Austrian armed forces will not hesitate to bring loathsome wrath upon the aggressive Czechoslovakian state.
These claims of attacks have done damn squat to the Czechoslovakian infastructure and there is no reason for the innocent government of Hungary to pay thus.
We will defend our friends in Hungary should the Czechs seek to enforce any sort of damage on their state. Hungary is a civilized nation with a constitution and therefore no aggression against it should be tolderated.
Czechoslovakia will surely meet her doom at the hands of Poland, Hungary, Austria and Italy should she make the ill-fated decision to hurt the Hungarian nation.
Demetrias Jul 13, 2002, 12:15 PM To Italy
From Czechoslovakia
My friend i think you should recheck who would be fighting me. I do not think the good people of Austria would join in against me. As they are a fellow democracy dealling with their own problems with Facist organizations. Who's only connection to Hungary is a dethrone monarchy. They feel no more attachment to this dead nation then the people of Czechoslovakia do. I doubt they would join your effort to fight me. Besides if the league votes in my favor there will be no occupation of Hungary. Why do you insist on a war i offer a rational diplomatic solution that i can see other nations backing? You have attacked a peaceful nation and dethroned a forward thinking ruler who had done much to make his Nation the must industrialized in all of Africa. I have attacked no one and am offering a way out of war for the Hungarian peoples. I feel that of the two of us you are the most despicable. The abbsyians were not even a threat to you yet the hungarians are a threat to me. So lecture some one else on being to war like. You are the pot calling the kettle black.
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 12:20 PM To: President Eduard Benes
Austria is not a Democracy, it is a fascist-style dictatorship run by the noble Englebert Dolfuss. The Abyssinians were run by a Despotic Emperor who brought nothing but hardship to his people, yet Hungary is a prosperous Republic. Ironic that at the start of you're letter you're calling me a friend, but at the end you're calling me despicable.
Hungary owes nothing to you, and we will make sure that they don't have to.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 12:31 PM TO EDUARD BENES
I think you should consider my actions before you condemn them.
I have only signed a NAP with Italy to protect my African colonies. Italy has done it for the same reason. Even if the world is covered in war, we shall not fight, allowing us both to move troops from Africa to other more important areas. The effects are much more in my favour, as I have much more to lose in Africa.
This will allow me to concentrate on Turkey and Japan, and if the need be, Poland, should war come. Turkey it seems is the nation who hates me the most, and so I can bring down on them the full might of Britain, and guard my holdings in Oceania against Japan.
It is not backing out of the Allies, simply making sure that I can devote forces where they are needed.
Churchill
Demetrias Jul 13, 2002, 12:31 PM OOC
I have some dispicable friends.
Any way anybody know the nations that are members of the league of Nations. I don't and want to know so that we can vote on things like this when a nation calls for it. So we can use it and maybe try to make it work this time.
Toasty your a year off. 1932 it is run by a president and a chancellor. 1933 he becomes dictator. Given this postion by the president. Austria is anti-facist. Till 1938.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 12:41 PM Well Britain is for one. I vote aye for 50 gold, but not for 100, as this is the amount MI5 tells me that the Hungarians may have cost you.
And as part of the deal, Britain will send 10 MI6 officers along with 25 of the new regiment we are forming(the SAS). These will seek out Hungarian terrorists in Czechoslovakia, and exterminate them.
Finally, don't call me despicable, I have a reason for what I've done. All I've done is made sure that in a war, I don't have to fight a nation who isn't as much of a threat to me as Turkey(bordering one of my most valuable areas) and Japan(India and Oceania may be under threat).
In a war, Italy will most likely be invaded by France and Germany, Germany will deal with Austria, Norway and Czechoslovakia will fight Poland, America and I will fight Japan, and I will also fight Turkey, hopefully along with the French who also share a border.
Basically, I have no real need to fight Italy, and it guarantees the safety of my African colonies if I don't.
Also, I am sending 100 gold to a Swiss bank account, where Russian rebels will withdraw it.
Churchill
Demetrias Jul 13, 2002, 12:48 PM To Churchill
From Eduard Benes.
My friend i do think there has been a miss communications. I no way have i called you dispicable. I earler questioned your judgement concerning our Italian neighbors but never questioned you character. I thank you for your vote. I will apologize if any thing i have said has offended you it was never ment to. Just to get you to think about your actions in the light of those who have to deal with Three facist states as close neighbors with designs on my petit entente allies.
Your Ever Gracious Ally
Czechoslovakia.
Kennelly Jul 13, 2002, 01:43 PM To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
Turkey doesn't have double standards!As we stated before wars are justified if citizens have to be freed (i.e.China) or if there is a lack of resources (i.e.Italy).As both isn't the case in Norwegian-Swedish war its for pure hate and so we condemned it.
The Turkish people don't hate you!You just insulted us several times,almost embargoed our nation and still refuse to leave your protectorates as the wise French did with Syria.But we will not attack you as we don't want a new world war.We will continue to try to free the Arabs from your oppression peacefully.So I offer you a NAP with mighty Turkey to convince you and the world of my good intentions.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 02:14 PM I accept the NAP, but only if you will sign one with the USA, France, Germany, Norway, China and Czechoslovakia and the Entente Petit nations. This is to guarantee that you will not fight any nation.
I ask the same of Italy.
Churchill
Kennelly Jul 13, 2002, 02:41 PM To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
Obviously you have such a high opinion of you,you don't think other nations are able making their diplomacy alone.This reveals a lot about your personality.
So if Italy does not sign all these NAPs your new NAP with it is already cancelled?Nations of the world,see how reliable Churchill is.My Italian friend,do not subjugate Britain tyrannic demands and sign the NAPs you see as good for Italy.
I already have NAPs with France and USSR;I now offer NAPs to China,Mexico and Japan;I also offer again one to Britain but I won't accept her laughable demands.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 03:09 PM I have no intention of cancelling my NAP with Italy. I merely hope that they will sign NAPs with other nations to prove that they have no ill will against the Allies. I suggested you do the same.
I will sign a NAP with you once you have signed the NAPs with China, Germany, Norway, Czechoslovakia, and the USA, so long as they want to.
I am merely making sure that I am going the same way as my allies, so that I don't find that I can't support an ally if needed.
Churchill
Kennelly Jul 13, 2002, 03:14 PM To:Governments of Germany,China,Japan,Norway and the USA
From:Kemal Atatürk
I therefore offer NAPs to all of you.
I will NOT sign a NAP with CSR as they are threatening my old friend Hungary and try to blackmail them.
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 03:18 PM Poland is interested in NAPs
Adolf reccomends them.
laughs evily.
((OOC: at least he doesn't hate jews here he doesn't like the brits though))
Kennelly Jul 13, 2002, 03:23 PM To:Waldemar Wilczynski [he is still leader?]
From:Kemal Atatürk
My Polish friends,I suggest you as member of Axis offer NAPs to Britain,Norway and other nations so the tyrannic British can no longer accuse our three nations of being aggressive.
SKILORD Jul 13, 2002, 03:28 PM Yes Mr. Wilczynski is still leader. He accepts the NAP.
uknemesis Jul 13, 2002, 03:40 PM I accept NAPs with Poland and Turkey conditionally for now(pending signing of MPPs with other nations).
I will abide by my one with Italy whatever happens though, as that NAP ignores all wars etc so that both of us know our African colonies are safe.
However, should Italy and Turkey attack Czechoslovakia I will aid them. I would send peacekeepers to the area to stop your invasions without breaking the NAPs.
Finally, I ask that Japan sign a NAP with me to secure the future of my Oceania holdings.
Churchill
Demetrias Jul 13, 2002, 05:25 PM To Churchill
From Eduard Benes
I Thank you my ally for allowing me to be in these Deals with you. But as you can see they have know intention of becoming peaceful neighbors. They have refused to sign Nap with the nations of the Entente petite which cancels out any deals they would have with me. i will be contented with them complying to this demand as it is more important then a Nap signed with me. i hope you are able to convince them of this.
To Turkey
From Czechoslovakia
I suggest you get out a dictionary and look up the word blackmail. Because it is not what i am doing to Hungary. I am trying to peacefully solve our differences and prevent them from using the same means of attacking me agian. But you do have double standards. Any war is justified under the need for more resources. if i wanted to i could justify my war with Hungary this way but i choice not to. I do need rescources from that region but do not want to go to war. Yet you do not condemm the USSR for their mongolian Front. Why not? Are you afraid of them? Or is it you choice only to verbally attack nations weaker then you so that you may justify going to war against them?
To Russia
From Czechoslovakia
i do not care if you expand into mongolia. I maters not to me as you do not object to me expanding into Hungary. It is only the hypocritical growth of the facist states that concern me. I hope you will not take offense to my words and That the CSR and USSR can be good friends for a long time to come.
Toasty Jul 13, 2002, 09:58 PM To: The World
We will not sign an NAP with Czechoslovakia because of the volatile situation in Hungary. Only if the Czechs do not surrender, after invading Hungary (should they) and continue to attempt at taking over the state once the Italians have made inevitable victory will we set foot on Czech land.
This is a very reasonable way to go about this, and I expect the allies to be just as reasonable. Fascism believes in the ultimate destiny of war, yes, but it is not irrational. We don't need that now. What we need is common sense, and the Czech demands on Hungary do not fall under that as Italian eyes see it.
We continue to the previous statement. Italy will only fight on Hungarian land unless the Czechs continue to fight against us, should it come to that. Any MPPs in this situation should be nullified as they are only due if the nation is not the aggressor. Should this situation arise, the blood is most clearly on Benes' hands.
Demetrias Jul 14, 2002, 01:05 AM To the League of Nations.
From Eduard Benes.
As i have said early i call for arbitration by the Council of the League of Nations in the matter of Hungarian Terroism in side of my state.
OOC - I found the members of the League of Nations and most of them are not playing. The Council consist of the Major Allies of WWI their Associates and four other members elected by the council. i think that means the main members of the Council are Brittian, France, Italy, Belgium, Romania, Yoguslavia, Greece, Portugal and four members you elect or the orginal four which are none player states.
BELGIUM
BOLIVIA
BRAZIL
BRITISH EMPIRE
CANADA
AUSTRALIA
SOUTH AFRICA
NEW ZEALAND
INDIA
CHINA
CUBA
ECUADOR
FRANCE
GREECE
GUATEMALA
HAITI
HEDJAZ
HONDURAS
ITALY
JAPAN
LIBERIA
NICARAGUA
PANAMA
PERU
POLAND
PORTUGAL
ROUMANIA
SERB-CROAT-SLOVENE STATE
SIAM
CZECHO-SLAVAKIA
URUGUAY
STATES INVITED TO ACCEDE TO THE COVENANT.
ARGENTINE REPUBLIC
CHILI
COLOMBIA
DENMARK
NETHERLANDS
NORWAY
PARAGUAY
PERSIA
SALVADOR
SPAIN
SWEDEN
SWITZERLAND
VENEZUELA
Toasty Jul 14, 2002, 01:30 AM Demetrias, what the Axis powers did was extraordinary. They managed to get their enemies to sit on their hind quarters while they built up, and in a blazingly stupid move on the Allies' part they encouraged "peace in our time." No sane NES player would do the same in this, as you and the other nations in the "League of Democracy" have well proved. If we added more allied countries, me and my fellow "Axis" players would stand a chance--none at all. No nation has found their path in Fascism, pardon Poland, who did that for game balance. I refuse to add more allied countries to the roster on this basis, and should more players seek to do so I will deny it. The fact remains that we are being spanked diplomatically thus far, and it is an uphill battle to get a tiny scrap of land while the nations in the "League of Democracy" let eachother run amok, a la Norway and Sweden.
It would be great if every player would go to character, but that would do little more than set up an online model-U.N., which requires research and much more commitment that I think most of our NESers are willing to provide. If you want to set up such a thing, with such detailed realism and something that involves far more than this does, I encourage you to do so. But ultimately, this is a game, and not a simulation. Thereby, I say, please do not make such efforts to include more allied powers. I will not act upon them.
uknemesis Jul 14, 2002, 09:22 AM Toasty, I think he was just trying to find out who was in the League of Nations out of the nations playing so we know who can vote.
Nemesis
WarlordMatt Jul 14, 2002, 10:09 AM OOC: I can't keep up with this NES! Can someone be so kind as to give me a summary about the recent events? /OOC
To: Turkey
From: Japan
I of course will accept the NAP. You have shown great kindness to Japan, and we are willing to be your allies.
To: Britain
From: Japan
War with ME? What have I ever done to you? I wish to be nuetral if world war breaks out.
uknemesis Jul 14, 2002, 10:15 AM WarlordMatt, other than what you've seen in updates, not much has happened other than MPPs and NAPs.
And sorry, I thought you were part of the Axis. Seeing as you are not, I would like to sign a MPP with you(and you sign one with China) so our three nations can guarantee the security of South East Asia.
Churchill
trader/warrior Jul 14, 2002, 11:48 AM there will be a summary at the end of the turn.
WarlordMatt Jul 14, 2002, 12:35 PM To: Churchill
From: Pu-Yi
We will accept the MPP, but it may be the last thing I do as you seem eager for war with the Axis, no offense.
To: Mao
From: Pu-Yi
We wish to propose an MPP with you. Please forgive the misunderstanding involving Manchuria.
SKILORD Jul 14, 2002, 12:36 PM When's the end of the turn?!!
i'm going to Minnesota on Friday and will have limited internet untuil the 5th.
Poland is now ruled by a trimuverate:
Waldemar Wilczynski
Adolf Hitler
Admiral Kurt Bartz
((OOC: in reality Waldemar's name is mark he was a polish freedom fighter. Waldemar is a better name though and i can't think of him as mark as he named his son that and i try not to confuse him with my father. Kurt Bartz is the bastard son of an Italian count and a prussian peasant. In reality that peasant made it out of Europe and he went on to fight the japs he is an admiral because he later went on to construct a boat with his children and taught himself to be a very effective, if unorthadox captain, he would have made a good admiral. In reality their children wed and produced me as well.))
We thank the british for the NAP.
We also begin refferring the 'league of Democracy' as the 'League of Tyrrany' HAHAHA i mean it's run by Imperialists and Royalty hahaha.
SKILORD Jul 14, 2002, 01:59 PM Poland reveals true reason for fascist turn:
Stupid polok jokes. We are sick and tired of them and one day we will dance as the words: Did you hear about the two passenger plane that crashed in the (Insert other nation here) graveyard. begin our new favorite joke.
SKILORD Jul 14, 2002, 02:08 PM A comminuque was intercepted between the french PM's wife and Waldemar Wilczynski here is an excerpt:
"I know our alliances are at odds but still.... don't you want a little polska (Sausage in polish i think it starts with k) just like back when we were allies......"
das Jul 14, 2002, 05:10 PM SKILORD, HITER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MINE - HE WAS SUPPOSED TO START GERMAN CIVIL WAR in 1933!
SKILORD Jul 14, 2002, 05:16 PM :p
Find some1 else, there were plenty of nazi's more suited to the task.
Kennelly Jul 14, 2002, 05:16 PM I also find Hitler's change a bit strange but that's what happened.
Without Hitler NSDAP would have fallen apart and Communists would have been major protest party,so maybe you can start a civil war with Communists under Ernst Thälmann?
das Jul 14, 2002, 05:28 PM TO KEMAL ATATURK: I will only agree to a NAP with you if you will cancel yoru MPP with Italy. I admire you greatly, but I am a politician now, not a German general who is figthing with British and Portuguese in godforsaken Tanganyanka... And I think you will understand, since you were fighting British, and Australians with New Zeelandeers in Galipoli, but now you are a Turkish politician.
To Italy: I do consider Nroway being an agressor. BUT THEY DO HAVE A REASON FOR IT! They were opressed by Swedes and Danes for long enough, and now they are avenging it!
To Poland: We are not Imperialists or Royalists. Britain is NOMINALLY ruled by a monarch. It's actual governemnt is an elected oen. Geramny's governement is also an elected 1, and that is probably what angered Hitler, who no doubt is still an anti-semit.
Toasty Jul 14, 2002, 05:41 PM What about Ludendorff? He was a huge driving figure for the Nazi and played a major role in the 1923 Putsch (though he was a bit nutty).
uknemesis Jul 14, 2002, 05:46 PM lol, how about Göring? That would be a recipe for disaster :p
Anyway, haven't we had enough revolutions?!
Nemesis
Toasty Jul 14, 2002, 07:14 PM To: Lettow von-Lorbec
Our reason is the humiliation Italy suffered at the hands of the Abyssianians two decades ago. We have avenged that humility, destroyed the Despots in the country, and have already begun to reconstruct the country as a model and emblem of fascism.
If you want to go to war against me over a piddly little scrap of land in Africa then the term "hollow valor" rings truer in Germany than in any other of the Allied nations. You do not come to realize just what is going on, and you cannot percieve that we will not be intimidated by you.
Germany is a country of decadent mercenaries, it would appear--on sale for the highest bidder in desregard for the strong voice Italy gave for your ability to rearm yourselves. German patriot? I think not. A cheap prostitute of a megalomaniac would serve better to describe you, sir Lorbec.
Toasty Jul 14, 2002, 07:15 PM Pachy and WarlordMatt still need to get their orders in, and then a new turn will take place.
Demetrias Jul 14, 2002, 10:35 PM OOC- Sorry toasty if you thought i was using that to bring in more allies. i was trying to set it up so that we could us the League of Nations. So i include a member list so the players would know who could vote in assembly and a council list so they could decide who would get to dictate the actual response. So that when one of us called on it to work we could use it not just ignore it.
Kennelly Jul 15, 2002, 01:33 AM To:Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
From:Kemal Attürk
I will never betray my Axis friends for a single NAP with a country.Obviously Germany has become a lackey of its 'allies' Britain and CSR.I hope the German people will recognize how evil the British are and leave them.
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 02:18 AM See? It is this kind of idle threat(the "evil" British) that is the reason I am so worried about war with the Axis.
I will not sign a NAP with Turkey or Poland until both have shown themselves to be peaceful nations(ie; sign NAPs with everyone, and stop any kind of action against Czechoslovakia for it's domestic policy).
Turkey, you are the stirrer that is causing the trouble between all of the nations of the world. I am putting money on the fact that if there is a war, you will cause it, along with your Polish friends. The Italians may be fascist, but at least they have the sense not to insult the very people that try to make peace with them!
I am withdrawing my offers of NAPs to Poland and Turkey, as I have said above, until they show themselves to be peaceful. This is due to both of them continuing to insult the democratic powers, despite the fact that our nations are much more free than theirs, much more prosperous and a lot happier. Also, what idiot spits in the eye of a powerful alliance that has tried to make peace with you?
The Turks, that's who.
Churchill
Kennelly Jul 15, 2002, 05:41 AM To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
TURKEY WILL CAUSE A WAR?I offered a NAP to Great Britain FIRST so no war can erupt.But you refused by demanding me practically to give up my sovereignity and sign NAPs with all Nations you tell me.I then repeated my offer and offered NAPs to almost all nations with the exception of CSR,which is oppressing the Hungarians and threatens Hungary with war if they don't ruin their economy.And now YOU FOOL are accusing ME of being the one who will cause a war and refusing offers of peace?
To:World
From:Kemal Atatürk
Mr. Churchill is a liar and a man who still seeks revenge for the disaster we brought to the young men he let die while trying to capture our glorious capitol.We don't want war with the British Empire but as long as Churchill is British PM we will embargo Britain from the beginning of fall.No British goods will be allowed to be imported,the Border with Iraq will be closed and every British ship entering our waters or trying to cross the Bosporus will be destroyed.
SKILORD Jul 15, 2002, 06:22 AM Great Britain is truely the pot, yet he calls us black.
You demand we give up our conquests.
I dare you to try such actions with Palestine or India. I find it ironic that the empire that 'the sun never sets on' will call others Imperialist, afraid of competition?
They demand we accept the actions of their tyrrant allies iof we wish to signa NAP.
The United Kingdom is truely a bully, standing up for it's fellows in his gang as they build empires and yet deriding the 'Imperialist' Italians.
We offered an NAP to your nation. but because you say we must accept Czekactions in Hungary for you to accept it we will not.
We will sign our NAP's proving ourselves a 'peaceful' nation when the british prove themselves peaceful, when they no longer continue to builly other nations, and they offer NAP's to the axis and apologise.
Untuil then we shall join the embargo.
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 06:29 AM [OOC- where the hell is the Bosporus lol?]
TO TURKEY
You dare call us the warmongers? You offered a NAP to guarantee that Britain couldn't help her allies in the war that was brewing! I will accept that from Italy as we both have vested interests, and they know to treat another nation with respect.
You however insult my nation and myself continually, and you expect us to immediately trust you and sign a NAP? I asked for you to sign NAPs with everyone to make sure that you weren't just trying to keep the British from helping their allies in a war.
Then you prove me correct by saying you will not sign a NAP with Czechoslovakia, a nation that is an ally of Britain, and under constant threat from Hungarian terrorists. I try to find the half way point(Hungary pays half that sum to repair any damage done, and I send in officers to help remove the terrorists), and you accuse the Czechs of oppressing the Hungarians despite the fact that they agreed to my plan!
I have become part of a triple MPP in the Pacific with Japan, a nation that many thought Britain couldn't stand, because they threatened our Pacific holdings. This MPP will guarantee the security of the Pacific area in general, and make sure it is peaceful.
That is a peaceful move sir. Not your attempt to get the Japanese to join the Axis to help in wars to get more resources!
You have constantly talked of wars to take resources from the "Imperialist" British and the other democratic nations of the world.
I have even put aside my difficulties with the Russians and am trying to sign a non-aggression pact with them.
Basically, Turkey has been agitating for war for many years. Well she had better not invade Czechoslovakia, or my Middle East holdings, or she will feel the wrath of Britain.
And Gallipoli may have been a tragic mistake then, but this time I would send many many more men and make sure they are a lot better armed.
This time we would succeed.
Churchill
TO POLAND
You also seem to regularly insult Britain, and be making threats towards the Czechs. Well I have come to tell you "no more!".
Britain is fed up to the back teeth of the Axis powers agitating for war and then blaming the nations who are trying to stop it!
I tell you this. Attack the Czechs and you will not live to regret it.
Churchill
TO ITALY
I hope that should war erupt, we will both stick to our NAP, as this will result in a lot less bloody war for both of us, and guarantee that we won't be scrapping in North Africa, which would divert precious resources from both of us which could be better served fighting in Europe.
If you invade Czechoslovakia with your allies, I will make sure my troops are fighting the other Axis powers, and leave yours to other Allies, in a bid to assure our friendship.
Churchill
TO THE USA, FRANCE, GERMANY, CSR, NORWAY, CHINA, THE ENTENTE PETIT AND POSSIBLY JAPAN
We must all begin mobilisation. It seems that Turkey is trying to start a war, and we must be ready for it should it come. I hope I can count on your support in the Czech-Hungary matter.
Churchill
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 06:38 AM ADDED COMMUNICATION TO POLAND
Your words ring hollow, as I have already accepted the Italian occupation of Abssyinia due to strict humanitarian guidelines being met that the country's previous rulers didn't stick to.
As for Czech actions, they haven't invaded Hungary, and they would accept half the amount, along with my agents to remove the terrorists. This is very fair considering how much damage the Hungarians have done. For you Axis nations it is just an excuse to bully a small nation.
You call me the bully when you do such things? I merely stick up for my allies, whereas Turkey and you look for war.
And the British Empire was created many many years ago. To withdraw from it now would leave storms of violence between Muslims and Hindus, and Jews and Muslims. We keep the peace in these nations, and educate and feed their people. They have autonomous governments, with Britain protecting them and helping them.
The British Empire may have been created in a bad way, conquering natives, and I cannot condone that, but it is done, now I must try to do the best I can for all the people of the Empire.
Finally, to call empire building a competition is wicked and evil. Empires are made through bloodshed, something no one wants. If it wasn't for the fact that people benefit from being in the Empire(just look at Jerusalem, they need the British troops to stop the Jews and Muslims fighting!), we would surrender it. To compare building an empire to sport is to be so callous and cold hearted as to be inhuman. Don't tell me, Adolf Hitler told you to say that line?
I have met that nasty little man before. He is nothing but trouble.
Churchill
SKILORD Jul 15, 2002, 06:42 AM ignore what was here
Poland offered you an NAP what more do you want? nYou want maybe to expand your empire further into europe?
I don't want war, i am hardly prepared to defend myself and i am not stupid. We will end our insults and sign the NAP if you can look past the hatred in your heart mister churchill. You could end the embargo with this act, Are you angry at the polish for not contributing to your alliances monopoly of power?
I will even offer an NAP to the czek if it will please you.
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 06:46 AM Good idea Poland. I will accept your NAP, and hope the Czechs do so too.
I am not a warmonger or a imperialist, merely a realist who knows how to make sure the Axis won't start a war.
Churchill
Toasty Jul 15, 2002, 08:43 AM To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
Italy continues to respect her NAP but does warn Great Britain that they are hurdling Italy towards diplomatic resistance--as a member of the Axis pact, we do have a strong commitment to our allies and feel that we must defend them, in the very least diplomatically, against any enemies.
The fact that you will allow my troops only to be shot at by your friends does in fact make very little difference, as unless Italy's troops make a decisive appearance we will still win or lose the battle.
We have said that only should the Czech government invade Hungary, and after they are inevitably repelled, continue to attack will my troops set foot on Czech soil. I hope that this is reasonable for you, and also for you not to get involved in such a war as the blood would clearly be on Benes' hands.
Good day, Sir Winston.
Signed,
Il Duce Roberto Berluciane
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 09:15 AM As do I diplomatically support my allies. I will not help Czechoslovakia should they invade Hungary, but I will help them should you attack their homeland.
Also Turkey, now Poland has ended her embargo, I suggest you do the same.
Because if it does harm my nation(which I don't think it will, Turkey is not a major marketplace for us, that's for sure), I will act.
Churchill
Kennelly Jul 15, 2002, 09:50 AM To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
Firstly put aside your double standards.İou sign NAPs with Italy and Poland without asking them to sign NAPs with the whole planet?But you demand me to do so.Why?Because you seek revenge for Gallipoli and want to finally enslave the Turkish people.
I now offer for the last time a NAP to Britain.I will also sign one with Czechoslovakia,Romania and Yugoslavia if CSR does no longer make laughable demands to Hungary and allows NEUTRAL inspectors to supervise situation;I suggest countries like Spain,Portugal and Switzerland.
[OOC:the Bosporus is the small gap between Asian and European part of Istanbul,so only way to enter or leave the Black Sea OOC]
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 10:08 AM [OOC: Wow lol, I do a lot of cruising through there :p ]
So you agree to sign NAPs with me and Czechoslovakia in return for the CSR only demanding 50 gold, and me sending my agents to neutralise the terrorists(they are not inspectors, they're trained assassins!).
In that case, you have your agreement.
Churchill
Demetrias Jul 15, 2002, 11:16 AM To Poland
From Benes.
i will except your nap my allies in the League of Democracy agree that i will not be under mining there position on anything. My forces will still mobilize to defend my allies but we will not invade Polish soil. Unless you break this agreement.
To Turkey
From Eduard Benes
Why do you continue to falsely accuse me of miss treatment of the Hungarians. As i have said before they are not misstreated. It does not always require bad behaivor to result in these riots and terrorist actions. You of course may send in League investigators to check out the general treatment of Hungarians. As to your Nap it sounds agree able if the other members of the League of Democracy agree that i can meet all league requirements with this Nap agreement still in effect.
Kennelly Jul 15, 2002, 12:17 PM To:Churchill
From:Atatürk
Hungary won't pay any reparations and you won't send any of your bloodthirsty assassins before League of Nations inspectors will see if there are terrorists at all. THEN we will have a deal.
[OOC Possibly Toasty can roll a dice if there are terrorists or not OOC]
uknemesis Jul 15, 2002, 12:53 PM My MI5 suggests there are terrorists, and it is very likely that they are Hungarian. However, we have reason to believe they could belong to a foreign power.
I will not reveal who MI5 think it may be.
Churchill
das Jul 15, 2002, 01:04 PM To Italy: You are the megalomaniac. Also, Norway is a democratic country. ITALY IS NOT. Are you any better then "Ethiopian Despots"? Also, Ethiopia is much closer to democracy than Italy is!
Oh, and Uknemsis, Bosporus is other name for The Straits of Dardanelles and Hellespont.
Kennelly Jul 15, 2002, 01:21 PM To:Churchill
From:Atatürk
I think you understand I don't trust MI5 very much.Unless LoN inspectors are allowed to visit the region I won't sign anything.
Demetrias Jul 15, 2002, 01:58 PM To Turkey
From Benes
i have said yes to your sending inspectors already. Send them. They will of course have to come from a neutral nation. How about the South Americans.
OOC- i got the idea from history let me check it out and get back to you on that. To see what it was exactly. I will edit this post to include them.
Juliennew Jul 15, 2002, 07:21 PM To Russia :
I propose you a NAP in order to move our forces where they are really needed.
To Czekoslovakia - Germany - Norway :
I already sent you an consequent economical help to your industry.
To the Axis :
USA won't tolerate any attacks against his very good friend : Britain. Any war encountered against her will see the USA to defend them fiercely !!
Juliennew Jul 15, 2002, 07:32 PM Due to recent industrialization of western and esatern coast, the federal governement decided to undertake the OPRP in order to find new oils reserves in Alaska. Severals funds will also be invested in refining technics in order to gain more usable resources after refining. Roosevelt hope that this project will reduce the oil's importation dependence.
rctmasta Jul 15, 2002, 07:39 PM To: Churchill
From: Stalin
I agree and will sign the NAP.
WarlordMatt Jul 16, 2002, 05:04 AM To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
In no way will we help you in a war against Turkey. They are a kind nation, and I beileve it is foolish of you to think they would start a war. Please change your feelings toward Turkey, sir. I really think you two could become friends if you weren't tied up in hatred and misunderstanding.
Regards,
Emperor Henry Pu-Yi of Japan
Kennelly Jul 16, 2002, 01:58 PM [OOC Toasty,where,oh where is the summer (end)? OOC]
To:Henry Pu-Yi
From:Kemal Atatürk
I thank you for your support.I suggest you change your MPP with Britain to a single NAP,so British can't force you into war against me.
Demetrias Jul 16, 2002, 02:00 PM To Japan
From Eduard Benes.
My Friend i think you are mistaken in your view of the current situation. The Turks are the instigators of these feud. Currently they are embargoing the Brittish Nation. This in its self is an act of war. The Turks are trying to strong arm the brits into capitulating their middle eastern territories. i am sure that if any war was to occur between the two states it would be the sole product of the turkish state. Do not look to harshly apon the Brits for as far as i can see they have given Turkey every chance to become a peaceful neighbor and maybe even and ally. Good by my friend and do consider my words before you take any undo actions against the British Empire.
Eduard Benes
Prague Times
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Today the Czech Parliament was presented a new bill to help the Sudeten Germans econonmic recovery. The Sudeten Germans traditionally have strong ties to German and so have been hard hit through the Depression that over took the world in the past decade and severly disrupted the German economy. The parliaments main goals until recent years was the rebirth of the Czech people but as they have succeded greatly in these goals they have turned to other internal matters. Since the creation of the Autonomous states of Carpathia and Slovakia the Germans have been greatly incourged to bring their complant before parliament. Since the presentation there as been much debate over its implementation since it would cancel some earlier bills to help the Czech people of that region. But the President would not here of such things and gave a rousing speech on the need for unity in the country and for the fact that all peoples in the republic need to be treated equally. As such the bill was changed to help all citizens of Czechoslovakia that suffered from the world depression and lost money inforeign markets. It still include the cancelation of laws that where hurting the German businessmen of that region. Such has been the breadth of the changes and there promise of a bright future for the Sudeten Germans that it has strongly allign these people with the Coalition parties in Praque and queled the mutterings of discontent in the German population.
To other Issues the President Plans on scheduling a one month tour of the country in which he will meet with Minority Leaders in the Sudettenland and other regions so as to better help them and unite thier loyalty to the Republic not there nationalities. He hopes to coincide his trip with the arrival of league investigators so that he may bring a few along with him to meet all the diverse people of his country and show them the unique problem of uniting so many nationalities into a single country.
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OOC - i checked and what it was is that right before munich and until Czechoslovakia was siezed that Hungaria, Germany and Russia instigated the four or five minorities in Czechoslovakia to revolt so it is not exactly true. So toasty can fill a coin roll a dice what ever to decide wether it is outside influences or just home grown Nationalist.
PS he can not decide they were oppressed because they weren't they were just poor. -OOC
Kennelly Jul 16, 2002, 02:19 PM To:Henry Pu-Yi
From:Kemal Atatürk
Do not believe the British lackeys in Prague.I offered Britain a NAP,but they demanded me to subjugate British foreign policy before they sign.They also still oppress Iraq,Transjordan,Egypt and Palestine while the French have become wise and granted independency to Syria.
To:Eduard Benes
From:Kemal Atatürk
I feel insulted from your accusations of me threatening peace.The Brits never gave us a chance to become only peaceful neighbors on a same level despite allies.I now withdraw my offer of NAP to you until you formally apologize.
To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
I temporarily lift my embargo on you and once again offer you a NAP.But should you again dare to dictate me my foreign policy this will be the last time we talk to you unless in a declaration of war.
Demetrias Jul 16, 2002, 02:29 PM To Turkey
From Eduard Benes
The shaping of foreign policy is not a harsh demand infact most allies shape each others foriegn policy. If you wish to be a peaceful neighbor to all the nations neat you. You claim that the Brittish ownership of lands of another people is wrong then you my neighbor must look to yourself for you hold the land of the Kurds under your control. If you demand that the British give up their land so the people their can rule it, then i demade you give back the land that belongs to the Kurds.
SKILORD Jul 17, 2002, 12:37 PM You are hardly an ally of the axis.
Self Governance is a clause in te tyrranical treaty of Versailles.
Poland begins campaigning for neighboring nations to initiate a plebicite to join Poland.
((Where's the update!!!!!))
Send in orders kids, i love this NES.
uknemesis Jul 17, 2002, 12:49 PM TO TURKEY
I will sign no NAP with you until you stop your threatening tones towards Britain, and accuse them of subjugating the Empire.
Also, you refuse to sign a NAP with our allies, the Czechs. Until you do, there will be no NAP between us.
And as for your embargo, I am glad it has ended, but it wasn't like Turkey is Britain's number one trading partner.
Churchill
OOC:
Toasty, I know that it takes a long time to update a NES(It takes 2 and a half hours for the UKNES2, and it took four or five for the UKNES!), but it needs to be done regularly or people lose interest, as happened in the first HNES.
I urge you to update as soon as possible(put a deadline for each turn, people don't get orders in, you move for them. Simple), before people lose interest and move on.
Nemesis
Admiral Super Jul 17, 2002, 12:51 PM Civilization Name: Spain
Ruler: King Ferdinand (Admiral Super)
Capital: Madrid
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy (Civil War)
Tech Level: Late Industrial
Type of Economy: Half industrial-half agrarian
Seasonal Income: 380
Will that work Toasty?
The king was terrified, with fascist rebels throughout the nation, if they defeated his troops Spain would become an Axis Power.
He couldn't have that. He needed help against them:
Dear Mr. Churchill:
Fascist rebels threaten to take over my nation. I request your help in vanquishing them (Word of the day there: Vanquish).
((The Civil War will disrupt communications for a while))
Toasty Jul 17, 2002, 12:53 PM Admiral Super, Spain was a Republic in 1932. It was supported by Communists :-P.
SKILORD Jul 17, 2002, 01:04 PM There were fascist rebels in spain but i don't think untuil later.
Poland supports them nonetheless.
uknemesis Jul 17, 2002, 01:15 PM TO POLAND
Support the damned rebels in Spain and you will pay the price!
TO SPAIN
Of course Britain will send aid. Next turn I will dispatch aid and troops to help you.
Churchill
SKILORD Jul 17, 2002, 01:17 PM Poland backs down.
They have learned that churchill is quite mad enough to go to war over this.
uknemesis Jul 17, 2002, 01:22 PM You betcha :p
Toasty Jul 17, 2002, 01:29 PM Italy plans on donating >1/2 of her income this turn to the Fascist rebels in Spain, and will send generals (if you want Admiral, I can command them). The Fascist glory will find deep roots in the Spanish Kingdom.
Admiral Super Jul 17, 2002, 01:30 PM Ooops!
Well theres satill the civil war right? and who led that again, name started with an F.
Commies or Fascist the people of spain now consider their alleigance.
Admiral Super Jul 17, 2002, 01:31 PM Yes you may.
uknemesis Jul 17, 2002, 01:37 PM If Spain turns fascist then Britain WILL invade to guarantee the safety of Gibraltar.
Italy, watch your step, or you will find yourself at war. Britain doesn't like having fascists on the doorstep - they tend to make a mess, usually millions of bodies of people they don't like.
I suggest the fascists in Spain withdraw to Portugal, or they will fight the British!
Churchill
Admiral Super Jul 17, 2002, 01:41 PM ((Sorry toasty but i will be avatar of the rebel leader this time))
Fransisco promises that fascists will invade portugal.
After spain is theirs.
President Ferdinand thanks the british.
Kennelly Jul 17, 2002, 01:57 PM To:Il Duce
From:Kemal Atatürk
I will fully support you diplomatically in overthrowing the British puppet government in Madrid.
Toasty Jul 17, 2002, 03:04 PM To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
In return for your noninvolvement in Spain and your disavowing of the statement of invasion of a Fascist Spain, Italy will guarantee that no Spaniard military man will set foot on Gibraltar, and will go to war against Spain should he decide to act otherwise.
This will completely guarantee Gibraltar's safety and eliminates your need to be involved in Spain.
Demetrias Jul 17, 2002, 10:23 PM To Spain
From Czechoslovakia
We do not know yet if we can send you military aid yet do to the difficult situation over here. My people and i will of course send military aid as soon as this conflict is peacefully resolved. if it is not then we maybe unable to send help for a long time to come. I hope for a peaceful solution so that i might help you and i wish you the best of luck in the coming war.
WarlordMatt Jul 18, 2002, 05:23 AM OOC: Toasty, can I save up my yearly earnings for next turn (1,300g instead of 680) and next turn and next turn and so on until I want to use all the gold?? /OOC
To: Italy
From: Pu-Yi
We have made our decision to join the Axis. Let our eternal friendship start here.
SKILORD Jul 18, 2002, 05:40 AM Waldemar is pleased to have a new ally.
As are Adolf and Kurt, The more the Merrier. We will not be bulied if spain is freed to fascism too!
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 05:46 AM Britain demands Japan leave the Axis, or our MPP will be reduced to a NAP.
And Spain will be fascist over my dead body! Such a great nation must not be reduced to such lowly depths!
Italy, I trust you to keep our NAP, but I don't trust you over the Gibraltar situation simply because you are fascist, and therefore not particularly trustworthy.
[OOC- Toasty, for God's sake update! I'm getting bored of this NES now, and I'm sure many others are, without the chance to update their troops(I need to send Spain help, but I can't this turn)]
Good day to you all
Churchill
SKILORD Jul 18, 2002, 05:55 AM [OOC- As Uk said:
In the name of all that is holy update or a thousand plauges shall befall your house!]
C'mon man it has to be done....
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 06:13 AM Yeah sorry Toasty, we're not getting on your back(someone did that to me in the UKNES2 Apolyton, let's just say they never made that mistake again, and all because I was one day late updating(which made it only 2 days since the last!).
But anyway, I always try and update every two days(or three if I really don't have time, but then I make excuses), or people get bored and decide not to play anymore.
I'm sure you don't want that, and neither does anyone else, so please update!
Just think of it like doing homework - it's time consuming, sometimes boring(other times some battles can be interesting to decide :p ), has to be done and a pain in the ass. And to top it all off if you don't get it in on time you get nagged(such as we are doig now :p ).
But unlike homework(:p) there is a reward - a thriving NES.
Nemesis
SKILORD Jul 18, 2002, 06:19 AM But unlike homework() there is a reward - a thriving NES.
:lol: :lol:
My teachers hate me for skimping on homework.
SNES6 will have updates every 2 days.... Go look at the sneak peek!
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 06:53 AM I have, I want to see the map lol!
And good luck to you on that updating thing, especially with four different planets!
Nemesis
SKILORD Jul 18, 2002, 07:04 AM 4 planets and the Space Between them and at least 1 moon.
WarlordMatt Jul 18, 2002, 08:04 AM To: Churchill
From: Pu-Yi
Please join the Axis too, Churchill. We can vanquish all who challenge us together.
OOC: Note: I AM LEAVING FOR A TWO WEEK VACATION ON SUNDAY. /OOC
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 08:12 AM There is about as much chance of me joining the Axis as there is of me being declared Queen of England.
Churchill
SKILORD Jul 18, 2002, 10:06 AM The Leader breaks his vow of silence to beg his Italian Ally.
Dear Sir. Your updates are delivered in such a delightful manner, i honestly take joy in reading it through. I beg of thee.
One more before i go?
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 11:04 AM I'm still waiting on orders...I would update if I had them, so get on WarlordMatt and Pachy's case.
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 11:19 AM Pachy hasn't been seen for ages.
Anyway, you never usually wait for them to get them in, you're like me, you put a deadline and then move for them if they don't get it in.
I think you're making excuses :p
Nemesis
Kennelly Jul 18, 2002, 12:24 PM To:Henry Pu-Yi
From:Kemal Atatürk
Welcome in the Axis,which is now Warsaw-Rome-Ankara-Tokyo.You have allied yourselves with young,dynamic nations not with decadent nations like Britain or USA whose Empires are slowly falling apart.We will help you in your quest for resources as you will help us.And I also suggest you turn your MPP with Britain into a NAP.
To:Winston Churchill
From:Kemal Atatürk
You want Spain Fascist over your dead body?Just come to Ankara we always have an execution command waiting for you.
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 12:31 PM If you want a war, you will get one, fool. Death threats towards the British Prime Minister are not taken lightly.
You constantly accuse Britain of being arrogant and refusing to sign NAPs with you, can you blame us when you constantly insult us with such rubbish?
We will not do deals with barbarians such as yourself until you learn to communicate in a polite manner!
Churchill
Kennelly Jul 18, 2002, 12:37 PM [OOC uk,is this a declaration of war? OOC]
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 12:55 PM No, it's a "shut up you damned Turk, you don't know what kind of trouble your mouth is getting you into!".
:p
Nemesis
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 01:43 PM Zurich Times
Autumn 1932
Military movements across the world
As Civil War broke out in Spain last October, already it would appear the Italian-supported Fascists are making a record-breaking run for victory. Smashing the bulk of the Republican army in Catalonia, they captured Barcelona, coupled with a move across the deserted plains of Gibraltar and the Republican forces are at a loss.
Tibet found itself a member of the new "People's Republic" of China under Mao Zedong. Giving a stirring speech, he proclaimed that "You are in every right a citizen of the People's Republic. However, you must give up your beliefs and fall in line if you wish to survive." Obviously, this has caused much resentment, considering that had the Tibetans abandoned their belief in pacifism they would have been able to at the least put up a fight.
Similarly in Communist expansion, the Soviet and Chinese forces met outside Ulaan Bataar in Mongolia for the partition of the tiny country. The desert nomads found themselves either Russkies or 'Gooks', as many of the Mongolians have grown keen on as a saying for the Chinese conquerors.
Italy too made another small expansion, securing a foothold on the Balkans with the annexation of the tiny Italian protectorate, Albania. Termed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt as "raping one's wife," it has been met with some resistance from the Albanians but the expulsion of the despotic King Zog is welcomed.
King Zog is reportedly living off Albanian taxpayer dollars in the Bahamas.
Gibraltar, a subject found so sticky by the British government, has been incidentally surrounded by Fascist borders. Should the nation decide to get involved in a war against Fascist Spain, many believes the fall of Gibraltar will be inevitable. The mercurial Berluciane's motives have also been considered should the base fall, in that Malta, British Somaliland and Egypt would be unsuppliable pardon a two-season trip around Africa.
Lastly, In Scandinavia, the Norwegians began their much-resisted invasion of the Swedish state. However, the weak Norwegian first army advanced for a mere 250 miles before hitting the block of the Swedish first army. (t/w, fortunately I had already written down your advances but I seem to have misplaced the documentation of your whole army. Please, resubmit it.) The resulting stalemate left many Norwegian tanks sputtering in the cold for the coming Winter.
The International Stock Market
In a bleak quarter, few nation's stocks seemed to have increase much. Despite Berluciane's great claims of wealth in Albania, its annexation seems to have done little if anything to the Rome stock market. Perhaps as a counterweight to a great, unnoticed crash (though this is unlikely), otherwise Albania seems to be a relatively worthless plot of land.
The United States, not so keen to inspire itself in industrialization, simply banked its excess gold this turn--a trendy happening also seen in Tokyo and Paris this quarter. However, in a dazzling show of industrial might, the Soviets found it in them to increase their market by an amazing 28.8%! This unprecidented advance found parades and celebrations in Moscow unusually crowded for the Red October festival.
Also increasing and beaming the way for Communism was the Chinese economy, which increased 3.1%. While an achievement by Chinese standards, it simply seems to pale in comparison to the Soviet effort.
Norway ascended 1.3% for her aquisition of Swedish land, and the United Kingdom went up 2.3% due to heavy industrialization in Iceland. The Fascist Spanish and Republican market changed +6.25% and -6.25% respectively.
MAP:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/HNESII-AU1932.gif
NOTE: The Fascist Spanish are dark blue.
Juliennew Jul 18, 2002, 01:57 PM OOC : Toasty, I didn't bank my excess gold, I invested it in oil prospection in Alaska and refining technics.
Juliennew Jul 18, 2002, 01:58 PM OOC : And sent economical help to some countries.
trader/warrior Jul 18, 2002, 02:00 PM you didnt say anything about my other attack on sweden from the north or my blokade and my bombing of stocholm.
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 02:05 PM Seeing as there is no technology, or oil refinement, I banked it Julien.
T/W: Give me the documentation on your armed forces and I'll resolve the battles.
Juliennew Jul 18, 2002, 02:08 PM OOC : Ok, no problems.
Kennelly Jul 18, 2002, 02:21 PM [OOC Toasty,did you update all incomes on page 1?If so you forgot me as I industrialized the North Coast;my economy therefore increased by 4%,so I bet China OOC)
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 02:22 PM If Britain is attacked in Gibraltar, she will activate ALL of her MPPs, including America, France, Germany, Norway, Czechoslovakia, China and many more.
So this is a warning to the fascists: Attack Gibraltar and die.
Churchill
PS: Toasty, my troops that are ordered to defend Egypt must also defend the Middle East.
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 02:38 PM To: Winston Churchill
Despite the fact that the Allies do have a much larger force I would like to inform you, Sir Churchill, that you have refused to cooperate and spat in my face for my beliefs. If you cannot trust me, then why should I commit myself to an NAP? Why can you not take my word that I will become involved should Spain choose to take Gibraltar?
Rest assured that should you fail to comply and attack Spain that the Axis will be able to attack your colonies far and wide, and at the same time completely ruin your economy. I can't imagine how a humongous empire such as yours could be able to cover all that area while we can launch a devastating attack that will take you forever to recover from.
We desire to remain on at least mildly friendly terms with the British but wish to make him aware that he can take our hands in friendship or you can resist and make an issue out of it that will serve as nothing but pain and suffering for your people.
Take my offer. Italy gives you her word, her marker, something that is worth everything to a diplomat, that she will protect Gibraltar as if it were her own. You have the opportunity to make something better, Sir Churchill; do not waste this opportunity.
OOC: Everyone, get your orders in to me ASAP! Let's get this game rolling again.
Juliennew Jul 18, 2002, 02:40 PM To Fascist Spain and Italy :
If Gibraltar is attacked, be sure that I will intervene promptly.
To the democratic nations :
I hope you will take courageous decisions before the fascist threat expands in your country.
Demetrias Jul 18, 2002, 08:04 PM To the Spainish
From Eduard Benes
Even though a peaceful settlement has not been reached in the area which i assumed it would by now there is no sure threat of war so i have relieved some troops from Border patrols and they are in roote as we speak to help in you war with the Facist. i recommend you take advantage of this situation to attack the Southern Facist forces as i will be engaging them in the north.
To America
From Eduard Benes.
Since the Facist italians have decide to subsidize the Facist in Spain i suggest that you do the same for the Republican faction. i also hope that you will continue to help industrialize my nation and others hard hit by the depression. i am sure the Spanish, Germans and my own people will appreciate this help.
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 08:36 PM To: The World
Italy shall be henceforth declaring and inacting a quarantine of Republican Spain in order to assure noninvolvement. This however will only be a quarantine of military contraband as declared by the Geneva conference. All ships carrying troops, guns, munitions and war vehicles will be searched and any such materials will either be confiscated or the ship will be sent back to its home country.
Any ship that does not respond to radio hailing by Italian vessels will be fired upon without hesitance, be it Axis or otherwise. France should do her duty as a peaceful power to deny any forces of any nationality passage through her country to do battle in Spain.
We appreciate Allied help in containing the Spanish Civil War so that it does not flare into anything larger than it has to be.
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 08:40 PM TO ITALY
This quarantine had better not just be of Republican Spain. It must include fascist forces, or Britain will implement her own quarantine against fascist Spain.
And this does not affect us, we are sending economic aid, and just telling our Gibraltar garrison to defend themselves if necessary, or to interevene if needed.
Churchill
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 08:59 PM To: Prime Minister Winston Churchill
The Italian navy will happily allow her quarantine to include the Fascists so that no direct involvement will occur. However, if this is the case I want you to direct your Czech ally away from involvement in the area.
uknemesis Jul 18, 2002, 09:00 PM If I get the Czechs to withdraw, then you must withdraw all Axis troops from the battle too.
The only forces other than the Spanish fascists and republicans that should be on the Iberian peninsula are my Gibraltar garrison.
Churchill
Toasty Jul 18, 2002, 09:09 PM To: Prime Minister Churchill
I assure you that there are no Axis troops on Spanish soil at this point in time, nor are there any headed en route to them. The Italian navy will inspect any and all ships headed for Spanish ports regardless of the flag they fly.
If you wish we could make this a join operation to assure effectiveness and that there are no ships heading back and forth, period. I would suggest that you envoke a border patrol in Southern France so that no allied troops will be going in through the French territory either. This way we can assure the containment of war and peace among the European states.
WarlordMatt Jul 19, 2002, 05:44 AM OOC: Toasty, you seem to be ignoring my question about orders, so here it goes again: Can I save up my yearly earnings for next turn so I get 1,300 instead of 680, and save it up next turn and next turn until I want to use all the gold? /OOC
SKILORD Jul 19, 2002, 06:53 AM {OOC: In no way meant to offend))
but you forgot Polands economic expansion.
uknemesis Jul 19, 2002, 07:27 AM [OOC- WarlordMatt, that would be 1,360 not 1,300]
TO ITALY
FROM BRITAIN
I can no more send troops to blockade the French border than I can send troops to blockade the Vatican. It is French internal affairs.
But my Home Fleet will join you in blockading Spain. Spain will become a battlefield where money sent in is the only form of aid they receive, other than my Gibraltar garrison invading Southern Spain to drive the fascists back from the Rock.
Churchill
Admiral Super Jul 19, 2002, 07:58 AM The Republic is dead!
Fascism lives in Spain!
Viva le Espania!
Admiral Super Jul 19, 2002, 08:05 AM We will move back from Gibralter and surrender it to the league for peace.
Admiral Super Jul 19, 2002, 08:05 AM that's the league of nations.
uknemesis Jul 19, 2002, 09:08 AM I immediately withdraw all aid being sent to Spain.
As for Gibraltar, how can you surrender it to the League of Nations?! You don't own it, it's British, and will be forever!
I feel for the poor Spanish people, being forced to live under fascism. I am currently considering the option of whether or not to invade and bring democracy back to Spain.
Churchill
Toasty Jul 19, 2002, 09:47 AM Yes Matt, you can, just PM me saying you want to save your gold.
trader/warrior Jul 19, 2002, 10:03 AM you have still not said anything about my other orders
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