If you do, why? Is there any logical reason to do?

The same reason I don't really like much else that is in pop culture... over exposure. I'm not in the age group that was really into pokemon at all, but it was everywhere and that annoys me.

Yeah, that annoys me to. But I'm talking about the concept and not the capitalist propaganda that was bound to happen anyway.

I've nevr played the video games so I can't comment, but I have a stereotype about people who play those card style games and it isn't a good one. Like Magic...those guys were dorks in high school.

Well it's suffered the same fate as all other Nintendo franchises. Constant milking and molestation.

Because the games SUCK. The first one was brilliant.. but they brought that out twice.. with little to no difference.

THEN

they have brought the same real game out a dozen times!?!?!?

Why don't they advance, get better graphics etc?

It's mind-controlling the children. Think of the children! :run:

I grew out of it, well, except for Pokemon Red for the gameboy, I still play that.

If you do, why? Is there any logical reason to do?
I don't like Shōnen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dnen) anime and it's franchise. It's too immature for my tastes.
I'd rather have my Sci-fi, Space Western & Opera (Think Star Wars) anime geared for my age group.

I could go on about how people think Shonen anime is the representative of all anime (which annoys me big time) when it's not, but my rant on that is best saved for the Offical Anime thread in OT.

Well it's suffered the same fate as all other Nintendo franchises. Constant milking and molestation.

IMO Super Mario Galaxy won the Readers' Choice Award at IGN for Most Innovative Design, so that can't be milked too much.

And just think about somethings, Cleric. There are people who are going like "Civ4 doesn't feel like a Civ game" because they haven't stuck with the "successful" formula. Nintendo wants its fans to KNOW when they are playing a Mario or Zelda or Metroid or Pokemon or whatever game they are playing. At least they always upgrade the graphics and such. And that's all they NEED. And there are other games like, say, X-COM or StarCraft, that are very deserving of this action.

Though I do agree with you a little bit, as I want to play a "Shadow of the Colossus" like game and it's about time Nintendo went in that direction. For those who don't know, this means a game where all the enemies are bosses.

But there are worse choices of game series to milk, like Sonic and Naruto.

And even God of War is milked. I'm going to bet you that in the future it's going to be a franchise just like Zelda and Metroid in that "I've played this thing tons of times, and I'm getting bored of it."

Because they made too many Pokemon.

It's difficult for me to judge Pokemon objectively, since it was such a major part of my childhood, but I'll give it a shot.

The original two games, Red and Blue (or Green in some places) are really great games. It was a neat concept, well-executed, could appeal to both casual and hardcore players, and was overall just an excellent piece of work. Strip away the cartoon, card game, movies (which inexplicably got better as they progressed, from lousy to actually kinda alright), and whatever else, and you have a real classic.

The problem is, there's almost no way to strip those things away. Pokemon was practically omnipresent, at least here in the US. As a result, many people hate it just because the tie-ins were obnoxious, or to be a contrarian, or because it appeared too childish, or whatever other reason.

As Abaddon pointed out, the sequels didn't really progress the series much. Admitedly, there's not a whole lot that could really be done with the games, besides adding more monsters and abilities and such. Not much different from the problem Microprose had with designing Civilization II, really - what can be done to improve it? Balance out the combat, sure. Maybe add some units and techs and such, but there's not really much else.

Pokemon, though, is too much of a cash-cow to leave it alone. So, you have a sequel every few years, when really just one or two would've been enough in the last ten.

Because they made too many Pokemon.
I pretend that the 100+ pokémon they made for Diamond/Pearl doesn't exist. For me, there's only 346 pokémon as far as I'm concerned... :gripe:

Pokemon Gold/Silver was when Pokemon was at its peak (game-wise, screw the cartoons). After that, the maps just didn't flow very well IMO, which lead to a dull game despite the improvements. And the new pokemon just suck.

If you do, why? Is there any logical reason to do?
The games are almost exactly the same. The only differences are a few new pokemon, moves, and a slight update in graphics. Each games has the same plot. You get a pokemon, get 8 badges, fight an evil organization along the way, and then fight the elite 4, every game. Red/Blue was great, Gold/Silver was good and improved on Red greatly, but looking at my brothers Diamond, it looks they've run out of ideas.

Well it's suffered the same fate as all other Nintendo franchises. Constant milking and molestation.
Just like every other company does to their franchises.

Simply bringing out cartidgdes that differ by ONE pokemon to reall cash in does my tits in too.

Simply bringing out cartidgdes that differ by ONE pokemon to reall cash in does my tits in too.

I've never minded that cause I've always had a friend or two who bought the other one.

Simply bringing out cartidgdes that differ by ONE pokemon to reall cash in does my tits in too.

The point is to have friends who play it so you can get them all. It helped a lot of kids make new friends.

I agree that Gold/Silver/Crystal was the peak for the games. I never liked Ruby/Sapphire and Diamond was annoying. I still have my old GBC and play both Crystal and Red regularly when on the crapper.

Ah Silver/Gold Version...The only version where the game was improved than its predecessor. 16 Gyms, 2 regions, breeding and Baby Pokemon, introduction of Day and Night, day/time base events (Bug Catching Contest, Different Pokemon at different times) two new types, Steel and Dark, Running Legendaries, Apricorts and New Pokeballs, the coolest sore loser rival(Starting Ruby/Sapphire, they want to be your friend XP), shiny pokemon, updated Storyline as a contiunation of the last and not a whole different plot and more.

Yes G/S/C was the best

The only new things R/S/E introduce is Double Battles, Battle Frontier and Pokemon Contest.

Hate Diamon and Pearl

I agree with Swedishguy! There are only 346 Pokemon! Bulbasaur to Jirachi!

Actually, it's 386. And, tbh... I don't really dislike D/P... Underground is a cool concept when having some friends... That capture the flag is very fun, actually. Because I'm a hardcore player, the WiFi-functions are very nice, and... they reintroduced Day/Night. :D

But the games slowly peak... I agree G/S/C was a nice game (and according to rumours they want to make a remake, but I don't think I'd buy it), R/B/Y had a hard-as-nails Elite 4, and R/S/E had the Frontier, which is something for itself...

But slowly the number of Pokemon is too much to counter 'em all with only six team slots. Changing stuff isn't always good... look at the Sonic games. The first five or so were genius, then it went down the gully.

And Empire Earth III (Maybe II as well).

Just to tell you, any "new" ideas for games that Nintendo has(e.g., Animal Crossing, Pikmin) don't even do NEARLY as well as their old school franchises like Mario and Zelda and Metroid etc.

And think about Age of Empires. The first game was a flop, the second game was awesome, the spin-off was also nice, and the third game was a flop once again.

I despise Pokemon because it gave way to a new generation of poorly animated cartoons. Look at a majority of new cartoons these days, X-men, Superman, Batman, they all conformed to low quality animation. The reason is because the new generation of kids grew up on Pokemon, so now new shows adopt a similar style to appeal to that demographic.

For all of you in your early 20s, remember growing up watching X-Men and Batman. Those shows had superior animation compared to today’s crap. I am not bashing anime, I am bashing crappy anime.

90s > Present

Maybe I don't understand the appeal because I am :old:

Pokemon Gold/Silver was when Pokemon was at its peak (game-wise, screw the cartoons). After that, the maps just didn't flow very well IMO, which lead to a dull game despite the improvements. And the new pokemon just suck.

QFT........every single one of the games since then just aren't as good......

I despise Pokemon because it gave way to a new generation of poorly animated cartoons. Look at a majority of new cartoons these days, X-men, Superman, Batman, they all conformed to low quality animation. The reason is because the new generation of kids grew up on Pokemon, so now new shows adopt a similar style to appeal to that demographic.

For all of you in your early 20s, remember growing up watching X-Men and Batman. Those shows had superior animation compared to today’s crap. I am not bashing anime, I am bashing crappy anime.

90s > Present

Maybe I don't understand the appeal because I am :old:

Yes, thats exactly it, of course, but why dont you like POKEMON, not modern anime.

Yes, thats exactly it, of course, but why dont you like POKEMON, not modern anime.

I guess its just not my cup of tea.

Ah Silver/Gold Version...The only version where the game was improved than its predecessor. 16 Gyms, 2 regions, breeding and Baby Pokemon, introduction of Day and Night, day/time base events (Bug Catching Contest, Different Pokemon at different times) two new types, Steel and Dark, Running Legendaries, Apricorts and New Pokeballs, the coolest sore loser rival(Starting Ruby/Sapphire, they want to be your friend XP), shiny pokemon, updated Storyline as a contiunation of the last and not a whole different plot and more.

Yes G/S/C was the best

Agree 100%. I love G/S/C.


I agree with Swedishguy! There are only 346 Pokemon! Bulbasaur to Jirachi!

As far as I'm concerned, the world ends at Celebi.

Agree 100%. I love G/S/C.




As far as I'm concerned, the world ends at Celebi.

I endorse the post 100%

I guess its just not my cup of tea.

No one is talking about the show, just the games. Which are the best RPGs ever made.

Which are the best RPGs ever made.

Aaaaw, come on, isn't this taking it a bit too far ?

EDIT : Damn ! What a lame 500th post. I was saving it for something special, and look how it ended...

Aaaaw, come on, isn't this taking it a bit too far ?

Looking on the huge amount of copies sold of the games, no it's not taking it too far.

I think there are two main reasons, I agree with the second but not the first (and I LOVE Pokemon:mischief:).

1. They are too juvenile.

2. They have sold out too 8-year-old girls by adding hundreds of new species with a focus on cuteness rather than the pure awesomeness that the original 150 had had.

Well, OK I guess everyones' tastes has to be satisfied.
However the 'goodness' of a game should not be rated by the amount of sales, especially when said game has been milked to the extreme.

EDIT : To be clear, would you say that Pokemon is a better RPG than, say, Baldur's Gate or the Elder Scrolls, or Fallout ?

EDIT : To be clear, would you say that Pokemon is a better RPG than, say, Baldur's Gate or the Elder Scrolls, or Fallout ?

Did you just question Pokemon's greatness as an RPG, because I can tell you whether it's the best: Yes! It's "party" system works wonderfully, walks the thin line between easy and grinding perfectly, has a great item system, is never too punishing when bad things happen, and has a ton or replayability.

Did you just question Pokemon's greatness as an RPG, because I can tell you whether it's the best: Yes! It's "party" system works wonderfully, walks the thin line between easy and grinding perfectly, has a great item system, is never too punishing when bad things happen, and has a ton or replayability.

Exactly. The game wouldn't have sold like 40 million copies and spawned anime and cards games if it didn't rock the hell out of a Gameboy.

To be honest, I was actually arguing the fact that Pokemon is not a "proper" RPG, seeing as its mostly linear.
But I realize it's a battle that has been fought before, and that there is no use to continue it further.
Pokemon is the best selling Console RPG ever, I'll grant you that. Personally, my preferences in that genre goes to the earlier Final Fantasy (up to the 6th). if you prefer Pokemon, that's fine.
But have you played Western RPGs ? I'm quite sure you'll find a level of depth that is more satisfying in the end than the mindless bashing of endless monsters.

I find this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_differences_in_role-playing_video_games), while still incomplete, quite interesting in pointing out the differences between the two genres.

Exactly. The game wouldn't have sold like 40 million copies and spawned anime and cards games if it didn't rock the hell out of a Gameboy.

That game MADE the Gameboy, it's the reason I've bought 3.

Well Diamond/Pearl was a runner-up at IGN for Best RPG of 2007, so they can't be that bad nowadays.

Well Diamond/Pearl was a runner-up at IGN for Best RPG of 2007, so they can't be that bad nowadays.
No one cares what IGN, or Gamespot, or some other review site thinks. They want to know what YOU think.

I think there are two main reasons, I agree with the second but not the first (and I LOVE Pokemon:mischief:).

1. They are too juvenile.

2. They have sold out too 8-year-old girls by adding hundreds of new species with a focus on cuteness rather than the pure awesomeness that the original 150 had had.

Yeah... Its either base on cuteness or something spacey/futuristic and made from plastic of Metal

The ability to control every single type of "foe" in the game is pretty cool, too.

Well Diamond/Pearl was a runner-up at IGN for Best RPG of 2007, so they can't be that bad nowadays.
I think this qualifies as an appeal to authority (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html) fallacy. IGNorant.com has little to no authority. At the very least, as Abgar pointed out, we're here to share our opinions, not random other people's.

I was actually arguing the fact that Pokemon is not a "proper" RPG, seeing as its mostly linear.
Somewhat off-topic, but I'd agree. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any other label that would work.

On a final note, there are 150 pokemon, and only 150. At least for those of us who are really hardcore.

:p

Actually 151 for the hardcore crowd. If you can't get 151 in R/B/Y, you ain't hardcore. As for pokemon being linear and not a proper RPG. It's a JRPG. Not a fancy free roaming do whatever you want mmorpg or western rpg.

I don't like Pokémon anymore because I am no longer eight years old.

But I personally favored 251 species of Pokémon.

I don't like Pokémon anymore because I am no longer eight years old.

I'm sixteen, I still like it.

Did you know that 90% of the pokémon fanbase is 16+?

I still have my original save from the day I got Red version. Which was launch. I have over 600 hours on it. A friend of mine has 450+ hours on his Crystal version. I would like to buy Blue, Yellow, Gold and Silver again as I lost mine. Can never find them though.

Did you know that 90% of the pokémon fanbase is 16+?

Coincidentally, 90% of smart people are also 16+.;)

I'm sixteen, I still like it.

Did you know that 90% of the pokémon fanbase is 16+?

15 and pokemon lover!

I'm sixteen, I still like it.

Did you know that 90% of the pokémon fanbase is 16+?

That's because it's like cigarettes and religion. Get 'em while they're young.

That's because it's like cigarettes and religion. Get 'em while they're young.
^Yeah, that's basically why.

I not going to lie and say I haven't picked up my gameboy and played some pokemon indiscretely when I bored, but I wouldn't consider it a habit any more, it's just that the hook is in deep.

I not going to lie and say I haven't picked up my gameboy and played some pokemon indiscretely when I bored, but I wouldn't consider it a habit any more, it's just that the hook is in deep.[/QUOTE]

Don't think of it as a "hook" think of it as a "candy". Just eat the "candy". The "candy" doesn't judge you; it just wants to be your friend. Mmmm... candy... :drool:

It's a good game, and I really enjoyed Pokemon Blue when I got it, would recommend it to anyone. Problem is, I recently bought Pokemon Diamond, hoping for a game that would be similar to the first one I bought, and got one that was pretty much exactly the same.

Like I say, would recommend having a Pokemon game to anyone who has a Gameboy, just never to buy another. The series seems to be like FIFA - each game has same gameplay, different stats.

Simply bringing out cartidgdes that differ by ONE pokemon to reall cash in does my tits in too.

That's the most annoying part.

My favourite Pokémon was (and still is, I guess) Octillery, but of the three Pokémon games I've owned, none had Remoraid/Octillery in. So I never got to use one. :cry:

Apart from that, it's a pretty good franchise. The people who say G/S/C was the peak are worthy of some QFTs (my Crystal got burgled :sad:). I haven't played it in a while, though.

@ The statement about differing versions in the same generation. They had alot of different things. Different items, trainers, sometimes different story goals. They are not differing by very little.

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Well it's suffered the same fate as all other Nintendo franchises. Constant milking and molestation.

Pretty much all of the greatest game franchises suffer constant milking and molestation.

NAME ONE THAT DOESN'T.

Pretty much all of the greatest game franchises suffer constant milking and molestation.

NAME ONE THAT DOESN'T.

No. You obviously lack the intelligence to discern what is a improved, developed sequel on a game and what is a damn rehash.

Mature and acquire some common ******* sense. You live in your own special world where Nintendo is some friggin pantheon of the gods and everyone else is a peasant. You cant even play M rated games, because your parents dont let you. Grow some balls. I refuse to be dragged down to your level. Kids these days...

As far as I know, even Half-Life, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, and Splinter Cell have that kind of milking.

As far as I know, even Half-Life, God of War, Grand Theft Auto, and Splinter Cell have that kind of milking.

You've never played or seen any of them.

I don't know about the others, but the Half-Life series hasn't suffered, while the gameplay hasn't changed much since HL2, the story is still good and it's no getting worse.

Okay, I wasn't sure about Splinter Cell, Grand Theft Auto, and Half-Life, but I know for sure that God of War is milked like that.

But those games all look kinda identical to games in their series.

Okay, I wasn't sure about Splinter Cell, Grand Theft Auto, and Half-Life, but I know for sure that God of War is milked like that.

But those games all look kinda identical to games in their series.

It doesn't mean they're milked. The Final Fantasy series is milked. Half-Life is very different from Half-Life 2 and the episodes continue the story line.

I'm curious as to how you know for sure the God of War series is milked.

Swein: You're confusing 'milking' with 'bringing out more than one game'. If that's your definition, then of course all game franchises get milked, because you can't really call your game a franchise if you only bring out one game.

The Sims, for example, has been 'milked' (I still play it, though :p) whereas you couldn't really say the same for Splinter Cell (not that I've ever played that). Pokémon started to be properly 'milked' after G/S/C, in my opinion, as they weren't really improving it after that.

agreeing with above

G/S/C are up there being the best sequels ever. Period.

G/S/C are up there being the best sequels ever. Period.
Still, Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald is better. Period.

Still, Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald is better. Period.
Yeah, not really... Period.

Pokemon in general, except for G/S/C, blows. Exclamation point.

Still, Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald is better. Period.

They aren't sequels, they are spin offs. G/S/C are the best sequels because they actually follow the events of R/B/Y.

Pokemon in general, except for G/S/C, blows. Exclamation point.

Red-Crystal. If you ever tell someone to play pokemon, only give them those. Preferably Red/Blue first then Gold/Silver. Then let them play Yellow and Crystal.

As far as I'm concerned, the world ends at Celebi.

Same with me, except I count in Gardevoir. >_>

I've simply just grown out of Pokemon and it seems like (in my opinion) it's way too different from what it was originally. I mean, there's 400ish Pokemon now (everything excluding Gardevoir after Celebi I hate), and a whole bunch of new features I don't get.

I'm happy with my Red and Crystal.

Side note: It's hilarious if you turned your Missingno into a Kangaskhan and make him fly in Pokemon Stadium 2.