This is a thread to discuss which games you would really like sequels to.

Please note that it should be a game that isn't popular enough for game developers to make or something of that sort. (Which means no Halo, GTA, or Resident Evil sequels) And of course, no already announced sequels.


Here are the five I would really like sequels to:

1. Stubbs the Zombie

2. Simcity 5

3. Psychonauts

4. World in Conflict (Expansion)

5. Company of Heroes (Expand the series)

I wouldn't mind a sequel to Outcast or the X-Wing series, as I loved them and the world it gave us.

But thinking about it, I love that some games don't have sequels. I really hope that games like Portal will never have a true successor, as I enjoy the fact that they're little flashes of brilliance that won't be diluted in future editions.

Please note that it should be a game that isn't popular enough for game developers to make or something of that sort. (Which means no Halo, GTA, or Resident Evil sequels) And of course, no already announced sequels.


So why list Sim City 5?

Portal is getting a sequel

I would like to see sequels to
1. X-Com UFO Defense

2. Dungeon Keeper 2

3. Railroad Tycoon 3

Master of Magic and Transport Tycoon...

Master of Magic and Transport Tycoon...

Technically, it had a sequel, but it sucked.

A Rise of Nations II would be very cool...

Baldur's Gate series, a proper and not crap sequel to Stronghold.

I'd put Mafia on the list but Mafia 2 is in the works!

1. Jagged Alliance
2. Colonization
3. Steambot Chronicles

Jagged Alliance 3 is in the works.

Never played them although that reminds me, I need to find a copy of JA2.

never heard of Steambot Chonilces, what is it like?

Knights of the old Republic.....c'mon, IT NEEDS ANOTHER SEQUEL!!!!!!

X-COM: UFO Defense has received a few sequels, though the last one came out in 2001 and wasn't all that good.

Here are some unannounced names I was thinking of.

1. Age of Empires IV: Age of Patriots
2. Freedom Force Future
3. Baldur's Gate III
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wrath of Khan
5. X-COM: Fighting Back

And there's going to be a KotOR III.

I hope they leave Baldur's Gate alone. The story has been told, there is nothing more to add.

1. Dungeon Keeper
2. Startopia
3. Incubation
4. Albion
5. Z
6. Subculture
7. Master of Magic

And just to counter Kan's XWing...

8. TIE-Fighter!

Master of Orion
Dungeon Keeper
Deus Ex
Freelancer
Alpha Centauri
System Shock (In space, not under water)
Baldurs Gate
Warcraft (RTS not MMO)

Regarding the last two games I think I'll be satisfied with Starcraft 2 and Dragon Agefor the ime being. Other games I'd like to see are probably already planned or under development (KotoR, Diablo).

Master of Magic

1) Colonization
2) Master of Orion
3) Hearts of Iron

I want a remake of "E.V.O: The search for Eden", but I gues Spore is going to kind of cover that wish.

Jagged Alliance 3 is in the works.

Never played them although that reminds me, I need to find a copy of JA2.

never heard of Steambot Chonilces, what is it like?

Yeah, JA3... Ever since JA2Gold was released there have been JA3 rumours. Hope they release for it a change. JA2 was great (JA1 and especially JA: Deadly Games were even better), get it. That's mandatory if you like the first X-COMs.

Also, I was really dissatisfied with Jaws Unleashed, as a Jaws fan since childhood, I demand they make a better game, but in the real world, that will probably never happen. :(

Right now I'm going to ignore the rule and rip off of some lists.

IGN's Top 10 Games that Deserve a Sequel, April 2006
1. NiGHTS into Dreams... (SEGA)
2. StarCraft (Blizzard)
3. Grim Fandango (LucasArts)
4. ICO (Sony)

I'll finish later.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wrath of Khan

And there's going to be a KotOR III.

The Wrath of Khan? What the heck is that?

and are you sure about it? the Kotoor III?

Yes there is a koToR 3 in the works.

that's good........VERY GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Baldur's Gate and Alpha Centauri.


4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wrath of Khan

:rotfl:

Klonoa
Sly Cooper
Warcraft IV
Chrono Trigger/Cross
Jet Force Gemini
Neverwinter Nights

I'll add more when I think of them.

Minesweeper

No, the movie (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138) was enough... ;)

A proper Sim City 5, would be nice.

Gimme an Impossible Creatures II please. With better marketing this time!

Skies of Arcadia. For the love of god.

Which makes me think that a modern Crimson Skies would be great too.

And just to counter Kan's XWing...

8. TIE-Fighter!

I meant some sort of sequel to the series as a whole. TIE Fighter was my favourite, and would love it if they made a direct sequel to it too :D

Skies of Arcadia. For the love of god.

Can't believe I never thought of that one. This report (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163790) gives a little hope, but I think a Skies of Arcadia sequel has been rumoured for years.

Somebody earlier mentioned Deus Ex; that game has received a few sequels and I believe one is in the works.

More from me:

The Legend of Ganondorf
Toad's Adventure
Stubbs the Zombie in Heaven without a Pulse
Rome: Resident Evil
Rome: Grand Theft Auto
Donkey Kong Country 4
Rayman 4

And there was one which I forgot.

Rayman 4Please note that it should be a game that isn't popular enough for game developers to make or something of that sort. (Which means no Halo, GTA, or Resident Evil sequels) And of course, no already announced sequels.
Murphy even said "See you in Rayman 4" in Rayman 3. :p

Yeah, but they instead made Rayman Raving Rabbids and Rayman Raving Rabbids 2.

So far, Rayman's best game has been on the Dreamcast.:sad:

Ooooh, a true Ico sequel, and a true Valkyrie Profile sequel would be nice. A second Valkyrie would rock my socks off.

This report (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163790) gives a little hope, but I think a Skies of Arcadia sequel has been rumoured for years.
Skies of Arcadia is a rare example of a game that really could use a sequel. Haven't played it in forever, but the concept was pretty cool, and there's definitely room to add on to the world.

Personally, I would love to see a new Ogre Battle game. I think the OB saga started at episode 7 or so, and there's only been one true sequel, plus a couple spin-offs. The only danger is that it may end up another Tactics Ogre, which I feel is inferior to the original's game system.

Pokemon G/S/C. Not really a sequel but a remake without only better graphics and barely anything changed.

Minesweeper

They just came out with one in 2007. IMHO it's no better for it.

Hmm, I'm not a big fan of sequels - in my experience they usually are worse than the original. I probably would like sequels to:

*Age of Empires. AoE II is still fine, but the original is showing its age (pun not intended). There's many improvements that could be made, and not just graphical.

*Sim Copter. Again it could use both graphical and other improvements (with stability by far coming first in this case).

I'm sure there's a whole bunch of other really old games that would make for swell sequel material.

Games that I've been dissatisfied with sequels:

*Civilization III. It's very difficult to improve on near-perfection, and CivIV didn't even come close.

(yes I know this may be opening a can of worms)

*Railroad Tycoon II. It had so much content by the end that the newer versions entirely pale in comparison.

Games where I've been satisfied with the sequels overall but have found them lacking something awesome from the previous game:

*Age of Empires II. The third version lacks the totally awesome single-player historical campaigns. The fictional ones have 0.019% of the awesomeness. I guess the second expansion of AoE3 has historical campaigns but that's too far in...the first one has to has some. I don't care if they add more later, but don't exclude them from the first release.

*Battlefield 1942. Its successors don't have single-player campaigns.

Even BF1942's "single player campaigns" are poor campaigns as they are exactly the same as multiplayer except with bots.

*Civilization III. It's very difficult to improve on near-perfection, and CivIV didn't even come close.
Yeah right. :lol: :rotfl:

The gamerankings average for Civ3 is 89%. That doesn't sound like near-perfection to me. Even Age of Empires II has a higher average (actually, a higher average than all the Civ games except Civ4. Same with World of Warcraft, Shadow of the Colossus, Super Mario Sunshine, Rome: Total War, Call of Duty, Alpha Centauri, etc.)

They just came out with one in 2007. IMHO it's no better for it.
WHERE?! What is it like?

Rock Band FTW!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Rock_band_cover.jpg

Kid Icarus needs a sequel badly.

Rome: Grand Theft Auto

lol.....that would be so cool.....

Thief III: The Crystal Age
Warcraft: Magic Evolved
Half-Life All-Stars
Metroid Paradise
Super Mario Galaxy 2: Toad Quest
Pikmin 3

Alpha Centauri
Master of Magic

*Civilization III. It's very difficult to improve on near-perfection, and CivIV didn't even come close.

We call it Civ2 ;)

*Battlefield 1942. Its successors don't have single-player campaigns.

Battlefield was never meant to be experienced as a single-player game, and even BF1942 shows that. What I would love however, is a new Second World War based game with the quality of BF2 (particularly the squad and talk system) with the '42 maps.

Kan, we all know very well that WWII shooters are overdone.

Here are some I forgot.

Maniac Mansion: Under Siege
Empire Earth IV
Company of Heroes II
World of StarCraft
World of Diablo
World of Pokemon
Grand Theft Auto V: Online Havoc
World of Mario
World of Resident Evil
World of Deus Ex
World of MechWarrior
Guild Wars II
Modern: Total War
World of Burnout
World of Crimson Skies
World of Jet Set Radio
Sid Meier's Dinosaurs!
Sid Meier's Pirates!: Online
Virtua Fighter 6: Destruction
Madden NFL 2009
FIFA 2009
Final Fantasy XIII
Europa Universalis: The Modern World
Civilization: Tribes

Kan, we all know very well that WWII shooters are overdone.

Like how the WW2 strategy game was overdone, then Company of Heroes came along?

Don't get me wrong, WW2 games in general are over-saturated, and it takes a rare game to break that. But Battlefield 1942 was brilliant, and I still play it just to fight those maps, and Battlefield 2 is brilliant, because it forced players together and focused them on achieving goals under an actual player commander with a decent ability to communicate with each other, it just lacked decent maps beyond Karkand and Jalalabad.

Combine them and you have a perfect Battlefield experience :)

Swein, a lot of the games you list have sequels in the works. : /

Like how the WW2 strategy game was overdone, then Company of Heroes came along?

Company of Heroes is the only WWII strategy game I know of; what others are there?

Well, aliens invading the Earth has kinda been overdone (like in X-COM: UFO Defense and Half-Life 2). And so has rescuing princesses (Super Mario Galaxy and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and ICO). And so have wartime shooters in general (Battlefield 2 and Call of Duty 4, among countless others).

Just to ask anybody who played it, what was the story in Shadow of the Colossus? And in God of War?

Company of Heroes is the only WWII strategy game I know of; what others are there?

Close Combat series, Codename: Panzers, Hearts of Iron II.

Swein, a lot of the games you list have sequels in the works. : /

Does that include Maniac Mansion? Does that include Metroid? Does that include The Legend of Zelda? I don't know any more planned games for those franchises (at least). I only know about a Final Fantasy sequel because one of my classmates at school keeps talking about it to me.

I can garuantee you that, at some point, another Zelda game and Metroid game will be made. They're premier franchises for Nintendo. There's at least 6-7 games in the last list you posted that are being made.

Tell me, please tell me!

@CivFan333: Yeah, I can just imagine stealing somebody's chariot, robbing the Senate, and escaping from town. Or maybe finding some crewmates and forming a "Roman mafia". Hmmm..., that reminds me of something.

Mafia II: The City of Heavenly Silver
Sonic the Fighters II
Master of Orion IV
Alpha Centauri II
NiGHTS: The Great Adventure

yeah lol......that would be so cool.......and alpha centauri II would be good...

Tell me, please tell me!

Bolded ones are in the works (unless comment states otherwise).


Here are some I forgot.

Maniac Mansion: Under Siege
Empire Earth IV
Company of Heroes II
World of StarCraft
World of Diablo
World of Pokemon
Grand Theft Auto V: Online Havoc [I dunno if you mean you want an online GTA, but you can bet there will be a 5th.]
World of Mario
World of Resident Evil
World of Deus Ex
World of MechWarrior
Guild Wars II
Modern: Total War
World of Burnout [Well, the last Burnout was open world...]
World of Crimson Skies
World of Jet Set Radio
Sid Meier's Dinosaurs!
Sid Meier's Pirates!: Online
Virtua Fighter 6: Destruction [Not announced but all but garuanteed.]
Madden NFL 2009
FIFA 2009
Final Fantasy XIII
Europa Universalis: The Modern World
Civilization: Tribes

I dunno what you mean by all the "world" titles, unless you mean MMO's of them.

That's exactly what all the "World" titles mean. Here are some more.

Conker's Ultimate Playground
Deus Ex: Land of the Fatals
Herzog Zwei 2
Tekken 6
Soul Calibur VI
Prince of Persia: Gangs of Destruction
Diablo III
System Shock 3

Streets of SimCity with better graphics and physics
Age of Empires closer in design to AoE II
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
Rise of Nations
Heroes of Might and Magic closer to Heroes 3

CONQUEST OF THE NEW WORLD DELUXE

Rome: Grand Theft Autolol.....that would be so cool.....Something like this..?

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/6/63/GTA-VC-cover.jpg

That's exactly what all the "World" titles mean. Here are some more.

Conker's Ultimate Playground
Deus Ex: Land of the Fatals
Herzog Zwei 2
Tekken 6
Soul Calibur VI
Prince of Persia: Gangs of Destruction
Diablo III
System Shock 3

Should be coming out this year, Tekken being one of several games in the next 2-12 months that will convince me to pick up a PS3.

I hope Soul Calibur VI is coming out this year. Soul Calibur IV isn't even out yet.

In SCIV, aren't they putting in Yoda or Something?

The elder scrolls needs the fifth one already.

Swein, those lists look like more of the same spam you've been pulling from sites like IGN.

No, I've come up with them myself.

Yeah, Soul Caliber IV has a release date, it's either June 24 or 28, can't quite remember off the top of my head.

Well I highly doubt you've played most of the games you list "sequels"for, and MMO versions is hardly a sequel. Especially since some of those games would NOT work as an MMO. IE Europa Universailles ,which already has multiplayer. Why not just list sequels that you want rather than sequels and crap MMO versions to everything you can think of?

An MMO is more like a spinoff than a sequel, but we don't need ten MMOs.

In SCIV, aren't they putting in Yoda or Something?
Yeah, Yoda and Darth Vader are going to be in it.:)

Heroes of Might and Magic closer to Heroes 3
Yeah, I completely forgot about that. Although if Heroes 6 improves on 5 it will be fine.

But they had to screw it up by putting one on XBox, other on PS3.

D'Artagnan59 is not pleased. I can understand Heihachi/Link/Spawn separated from 2, but not Vader/Yoda. They come from the same friggin' universe, so they both should be on both.

damn...if they put them in the same, that'd be the coolest....

But they had to screw it up by putting one on XBox, other on PS3.

D'Artagnan59 is not pleased. I can understand Heihachi/Link/Spawn separated from 2, but not Vader/Yoda. They come from the same friggin' universe, so they both should be on both.
It's the same principle as in SC2, each version has a unique character. Still, it would be awesome to have Vader fight Yoda.

I don't really get how thats an incentive to go buy the game, that just more frustrates me and reminds me that im not some flowing cash tree with stocks of cash so vivid I can purchase anything at whim.

Well.....

Europa Universalis - Total War
(Stratigic Map like EU, battle map like TW)

Civilization Universalis
(Lead your chosen nation through history!)

Civilization Beyond
(beyond Intergrated Defence, that is)

Alpha Centauri II
('nuff said - can't they just stuff it onto a C3C or C4 engine?)

Red Alert III - The Great War
(have visions of cavalry and Vickers Tanks)

Impossible Creatures - Populous the Beginning
(SO. DARN. AWESOME!)

The Curse of Monkey Island 4
Vampire the Masquerade
Little Big Adventure 2
Settlers 2 (ok its got sequels they just never compared *sigh*)


Those are just off the top of my head, and I bet some of those will provoke "Oh YEAHHHH" or "WTF is that?" :(

For starters...

1. Alpha Centauri 2
2. Colonization 2
3. Imperialism 3
4. MVP 20nn Baseball, Hardball n (where have all the PC action baseball games gone? :cry:)

I've been trying to get imperialism 2 to work, it's on Home of the Underdogs, but it seems to download badly :(

I've been trying to get imperialism 2 to work, it's on Home of the Underdogs, but it seems to download badly :(
There is some French website dedicated to Imperialism I and II and Trade Empires. They had working downloads of the game, but sadly I forgot the name of the site. Maybe you can do a google search for .fr sites?

There is some French website dedicated to Imperialism I and II and Trade Empires. They had working downloads of the game, but sadly I forgot the name of the site. Maybe you can do a google search for .fr sites?

Unfortunately that won't help me unless they have an english version. But thanks, I'll try anyways.

This is a good site for Imperialism information & downloads: http://dailyimperialist.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/

I've been playing both I & II lately. They are really underrated games and highly addictive. I'm just wondering if there is a current game similar to them. Victoria Revolutions looks close but there's no demo. :(

And this looks promising: http://www.ageod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2566

Something like this..?

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/6/63/GTA-VC-cover.jpg

Errr, I was thinking of "Ancient" Rome. So let's steal someone's chariot and hide it in a secret cave!

Kid Icarus 3D
Ice Climber 2

Man, I'm genuinely surprised by lack of any mention of Ice Climber and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

well......in SSBM, the ice climbers were FAR from the best, but in SSBB, they're actually ok....

A Deus:Ex sequel that is not dumbed-down
Alpha Centauri
An X-COM sequel that plays like the original
Sword of the Samurai
Dungeon Keeper 2
Colonization

Man, I'm genuinely surprised by lack of any mention of Ice Climber and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

Ice Climber is a bad game, that's why.

well......in SSBM, the ice climbers were FAR from the best, but in SSBB, they're actually ok....

They're currently my favorite character!

@GoodEnoughForMe: Yeah, but Conker's Bad Fur Day wasn't that bad.

IGN gave it a 9.9/10. Yes, I agree that it is so unreasonable, but the current Gamerankings average is an 89%, so it should be a fine game. It even won IGN's praise in 2003 when it put CBFD as the 46th best video game ever.

They're currently my favorite character!

@GoodEnoughForMe: Yeah, but Conker's Bad Fur Day wasn't that bad.

IGN gave it a 9.9/10. Yes, I agree that it is so unreasonable, but the current Gamerankings average is an 89%, so it should be a fine game. It even won IGN's praise in 2003 when it put CBFD as the 46th best video game ever.

For the last bloody time, we don't care what some reviewer gives it. It doesn't nesecarely mean anything.

EDIT: Time to use the ignore feature :)

The gamerankings average for Civ3 is 89%. That doesn't sound like near-perfection to me. Even Age of Empires II has a higher average (actually, a higher average than all the Civ games except Civ4. Same with World of Warcraft, Shadow of the Colossus, Super Mario Sunshine, Rome: Total War, Call of Duty, Alpha Centauri, etc.)

Do you have your own opinion?

And, on topic, I'll second Rock Band. Although they'll make one, I'm going to gurantee it.

How about "Hunt the Wumpus?" Now there's a game that demands a sequel. :p

I guess there's Andrew Plotkin's "Hunter, In Darkness," but that's more of a re-interpretation.

On a side note, Swein never ceases to amaze me with his insistence on referring to critical reviews, usually in the absense of his own opinion. He kind of reminds me of the Oracle, from Mark Twain's The Innocents Abroad. In any case, we need to incorporate this into some kind of CFC Drinking Game.

EDIT: Time to use the ignore feature :)
I've been thinking about this, but I'll give him one last chance to stop posting lists.

C'mon guys, I said that I totally disagree. I mean, seriously, you should see how they gave a 9.9/10 to JADE EMPIRE (which also sounds stupid).

C'mon guys, I said that I totally disagree. I mean, seriously, you should see how they gave a 9.9/10 to JADE EMPIRE (which also sounds stupid).
It has to do with you running to IGN or Gamerankings to decide weather a game is good. There are cases where it might be important to bring up a review, but most of the time you bring up such sites it's not important. Form your own opinion and if you haven't played a game, just don't talk about it instead of running to IGN.

C'mon guys, I said that I totally disagree. I mean, seriously, you should see how they gave a 9.9/10 to JADE EMPIRE (which also sounds stupid).
Generally, though, there's no reason to bring them up at all. I'd only bring up an article or game review if it's particularly insightful or somehow unique, and that doesn't happen very often.

It has to do with you running to IGN or Gamerankings to decide weather a game is good. There are cases where it might be important to bring up a review, but most of the time you bring up such sites it's not important. Form your own opinion and if you haven't played a game, just don't talk about it instead of running to IGN.

Can't spell ignorant without IGN.

Also, Jade Empire sounds like a nice title, I like jade. Havn't played nor seen the game it'self though.

I think it's an RPG......

Yeah, it's an Xbox RPG made by the KotOR guys.

Also, Jade Empire sounds like a nice title, I like jade. Havn't played nor seen the game it'self though.

Don't play that game man, 'Computer Games Magazine' rated it with just a 6.0! And I haven't seen or played it too.

Can't spell ignorant without IGN.

Also, Jade Empire sounds like a nice title, I like jade. Havn't played nor seen the game it'self though.

To be specific, it's an RPG available only on the original Xbox. It's created by BioWare (the company that made amazing games like Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights, and Knights of the Old Republic, and most recently Mass Effect). And it takes place in Imperial China.

Can't spell ignorant without IGN.

Also, Jade Empire sounds like a nice title, I like jade. Havn't played nor seen the game it'self though.

Seemed like a decent blast when I had a chance to play it, but possibly a bit repetitive. Would only get it on budget.

Wait, wait, I'm doing it wrong. PC Gamer gave it 89%. End opinion.

To be specific, it's an RPG available only on the original Xbox. It's created by BioWare (the company that made amazing games like Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights, and Knights of the Old Republic, and most recently Mass Effect). And it takes place in Imperial China.

It's on the PC as well. If you are going to rely on internet sites to tell you what ot tnink then do it properly.

Seemed like a decent blast when I had a chance to play it, but possibly a bit repetitive. Would only get it on budget.

Wait, wait, I'm doing it wrong. PC Gamer gave it 89%. End opinion.

Same here, just didn't seem like it had any kind of long lasting appeal, but I thought they were making a sequel to it?


Also, another expansion for COH would be nice, I havnt played the opposing fronts one yet, but it didn't look to exciting. They need to add Russia and that would revive that game for me.

I was disappointed in Jade Empire's combat system. Originally I thought they were going to make it be a tournament-fighter within an RPG, sorta like Oni. Instead it was just pushing the attack button a lot.

there should be a sequel to age of mythology, i played that game exclusivley fpr about a year until i got bored with it.

Even BF1942's "single player campaigns" are poor campaigns as they are exactly the same as multiplayer except with bots.

I don't consider that a bad thing though. If there's a swell singleplayer map, I'll want to play it in multiplayer, and vice versa. It's certainly better than Battlefield Vietnam, where there's no campaign and just individual maps.

The gamerankings average for Civ3 is 89%. That doesn't sound like near-perfection to me. Even Age of Empires II has a higher average (actually, a higher average than all the Civ games except Civ4. Same with World of Warcraft, Shadow of the Colossus, Super Mario Sunshine, Rome: Total War, Call of Duty, Alpha Centauri, etc.)

:rolleyes: If someone played Civ3 and wasn't a fan of it, that's fine, but judging a game purely by some review is no indication of whether you'll like it or Perfection will like it or even if most people will like it. It's like movies; Citizen Kane gets great critical reviews but how many people consider it one of their favorite movies?

WHERE?! What is it like?

It's in Windows Vista. New graphics and it makes a big "boom" sound when you click on a mine. Here's a picture courtesy of Google Images:

http://www.4neurons.com/other/Vista/Minesweeper.png

I'm sure you could try it at any computer store. Kind of costly to buy though, I doubt you'll be able to find it for less than $80.

Battlefield was never meant to be experienced as a single-player game, and even BF1942 shows that. What I would love however, is a new Second World War based game with the quality of BF2 (particularly the squad and talk system) with the '42 maps.

Eh, back when I got Battlefield I didn't have regular Internet access, so single player was all there was. It certainly isn't brilliant single-player, but the way the maps are the advance/retreat dynamics work well (better than BF2 where you'll have random attacks on any old place), and you could have tons of bots (up to 64, compared to BF2's 16), so there were certainly bright spots.

And I've never played Civ2, perhaps it is the next step up from Civ3. It looks like I might get a chance to this summer though, maybe then I'll be a Civ2 Fanatic.

Eh, back when I got Battlefield I didn't have regular Internet access, so single player was all there was. It certainly isn't brilliant single-player, but the way the maps are the advance/retreat dynamics work well (better than BF2 where you'll have random attacks on any old place), and you could have tons of bots (up to 64, compared to BF2's 16), so there were certainly bright spots.

Oh certainly, and I did the same. I always wondered why they never took steps to improve the single-player experience in future instalments, even if only to allow you some off-line practice against a decent opponent. I remember playing the original Unreal Tournament a lot offline, and loving the bots.

I think battlefield 1942 needs a sequel, I know theres the others, but I mean another world war II one with all the systems that later installments added.

Ascendancy
SMAX
Diablo 3 non-mmo
Mechcommander 3!!!!!!!!

I think battlefield 1942 needs a sequel, I know theres the others, but I mean another world war II one with all the systems that later installments added.

Yeah, like we need to have another WWII shooter.:p

AoM should have a sequel with Persians! And Aztecs! And Indians! And Japanese! And............................................... ....!

Yeah, like we need to have another WWII shooter.:p

AoM should have a sequel with Persians! And Aztecs! And Indians! And Japanese! And............................................... ....!

Is it the fact that they're set in World war II that makes them bad? Is there something inherently wrong with world war II that makes it deserving of negative ca notation? No? There isn't?Crazy.

There are sooooooooo many WWII shooters out there that it isn't funny.

I do agree that there are too many, but so far Red orchestra has been my favourite (Call of Duty 1 was a lot of fun too). Red orchestra could use a physics upgrade though.

There are sooooooooo many WWII shooters out there that it isn't funny.

Again, what does the setting of world war II have to do with the quality of the game? Thats like saying that girl cant be good because there are already to many blonds, its the game play that counts. Your one of those annoying twelve year olds who watches G4 knock the world war II setting all the time and then things they've latched on to some trend.

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.

Are you just trying to look dumb now?

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.

:eek:
You're being sarcastic, right?

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.

The "best" game is just a matter of opinion. In my opinion Civ3 was better than those games simply because I enjoyed it a lot more. Of course it wasn't without flaws but stating that we should stop playing Civilization because Gamerankings says they aren't the best games is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.
:dubious:You're kidding right?

OK, yes I was dumb (just tell me which parts you thought were REALLY wrong). If we want to play Civ, we can play Civ. I actually like Civ, just that my computer can go bonkers. My point, though, was that Civ4 put the series "on the map" (meaning "on the Top 100 at Gamerankings"), but yes, it is a little different from the previous Civ games. So much, actually, that people (like you) hate it because it doesn't feel like Civ. Which is why (Cleric, Princescamp, please come here!) game series like Mario and Zelda and Metroid and Pokemon get milked like that; because they don't want to lose that FEEL.

Anyways, has anybody here played Conker's Bad Fur Day (I haven't, I just heard it was a great platformer)? If so, did you like it? Do you think it should have a sequel (please note that the Xbox game was just a remake)?

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.

Why the bloody hell is there a view post option for people on your ignore list?

Swein, I'm sorry but, you're thick headed, pig brained and more of a moron than Bush.

Sheez, I just took back that post!

Sheez, I just took back that post!

My post still stands. We have explained over and over again that you need ot think for yourself and that these lists are NOT FACT. merely ONE (maybe a few) people's opinion, who are payed to make them. As well it is hard to compare games across genres when ranking them.

Civilization was on the map before CIV IV, as Gamerankings top 100 is not "the map" by any means.

Conker's Bad Fur Day was a huge, gorgeous looking game that was funny but did suffer from questionable controls.

Why the bloody hell is there a view post option for people on your ignore list?

Swein, I'm sorry but, you're thick headed, pig brained and more of a moron than Bush.
Quoted for Truth, I'm putting Swein on the ignore list.

You guys are doing it wrong, just put him at 101+ on your important people list, then he wont be "on the map".

@Quintilius: Why don't we just STOP playing Civilization games entirely? They're not even remotely the best.

Seriously, until the release of Civ4, games like World of Warcraft, Age of Empires II, Super Mario Sunshine, Advance Wars, Rome: Total War, Alpha Centauri, and Call of Duty had a higher Gamerankings average than all Civ games.

Swein.........I don't consider bashing Civ games a very smart move since this IS a civilization fanatics center....:rolleyes:

He thinks he knows more than me about me on Impossible Creatures since he read an article on IGN.com. :rolleyes:

You know what? I'll put him an ignore too.

Okay Swein, listen up.

If I bought my games according to your philosophy (skip everything with a <90% rating on IGN, Gamerankings or Iamastatisticsnerd) I would never ever have bought Steambot Chronicles. Your precious IGN rated it with a 73 and it's nowhere near the top-100 at Gamerankings. But you know what? That game gave me the greatest, happiest single-player experience on my PS2. And I own several of the must-haves (God of War, GTA:SA, GTA:VC, GT4, ICO) and if I have to, I can easily part with them, just let me keep Steambot.
Other examples are: Theme Hospital, GTA2, Gabriel Knight 3 and Moonchild (I'm not ashamed of that last title). And where the f*ck is Dwarf Fortress on Gamerankings? That's almost the best game I've encountered ever!
The opposite can also be true. I do not like Half-Life, Halo, Baldur's Gate, Crysis. And I don't care other people are nuts about them. Am I an outcast for not liking Halo? Am I a pretensious c*nt for disliking Half-Life? Am I a pathetic nonconformist by not playing Baldur's Gate? Really, I couldn't care less and I would never call fans of Crysis air-headed graphic-whores (no, really ;))

I don't give a damn about what other people think of games and how they rate them. Because I can think for myself. I only listen to other peoples advice if I know they have the same taste in games as me. (Actually, I think people should give up on rating games. Just write the damn review without using numbers, statistics are just pretentious lies ;))

I also ridicule those stupid lists you've been copy-pasting. Really, I don't give a crap if Zelda:OoT gets a higher ranking than Tetris or if Pong is being omitted or if Elite is dangling at the bottom or whatever. You can't compare them and they're all great. There is no universal truth about which game is the best and every debate about is a waste of time, energy, air and braincells.

Swein, taste is a very personal matter, so grow a brain and sort things out for yourself. If you want to follow the masses, by all means do so. Just don't report here. We already know what the mainstream likes and me in particular doesn't care about it. If you want to discuss certain games, by all means, do so as well. Just stop that "But IGN said" and "It's not in the top 100 at GameRankings" bullsh*t!

Now go make yourself useful and find us a never found before indie-jewel and enlight us. That would be interesting.


To get back on topic... Please, make a sequel to Steambot, I'm craving steam!

STTNG: Birth of the Federation. Best Star Trek computer game ever. The strategy is simplistic and game play admittedly rather repetitive, but there is nonetheless something endearing about this strangely stilted, Masters of Orion mutation from Microprose. I think there is supposed to be a fan-made sequel floating around in demo form somewhere, but, alas, anything substantial, let alone official, is yet to emerge.

Space Rangers 2:

-Add a criminal underworld that you can interact with. You could be a ranger/mobster, even have your own goons.
-More text adventures, especially ones inspired by Futurama and OST.
-Ways to customize the appearance of your voxeled ship, including what you equip.
-Replace the RTS mode with deeper planetary battle models, including things that happen in normal game space.
-Do not have the overall plot involve invading machines or aliens. That universe seemed perfect for some crazy arse civilization-on-civilization conflict.

DK2:

I am not even going to pretend to know what they should do for this sequel. Be yourselves guys.

I'm sorry, it's just that I used to play games that most people regarded as "pathetic" but I didn't care. But others did, and they said stuff like "that game's boring". So I wanted to show them that I COULD play the greatest games. Also, with my GameCube, I probably ended up having like 25+ games, but it was never anything like Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, SF Adventures, Viewtiful Joe, Paper Mario, etc. Wind Waker and Paper Mario especially (and Pikmin 2), as they are rated E for Everyone, but I wasn't even remotely interested in Zelda games then and I just kept making do with crappy Sonic ones. And I played Paper Mario in a store and liked it, but then we just kept bringing the crap games. Same with my GBA; I never had anything like Fire Emblem or Golden Sun or Mario 3 or WarioWare or Advance Wars. And I know I would have loved FE, GS, and AW (I like Turn-Based Games).

Now, with my Wii, I own 6 games, and that number isn't likely to increase by much. With my DS, I have 3 games (1 crap Tony Hawk game, one average Super Mario 64, and one being the legendary Mario Kart).

As far as my PC, if I hadn't run to those websites, than I would have probably bought Empire Earth III for Christmas and then opened the box and found a handful of bugs.

You would have gotten a hell of a lot more than just bugs.

Like what?

And some people don't even need critics; they just hear about the features and make up their minds. One of my friends is a huge SimCity fan, but he immediately took a pass on Societies because he thought that "taking zoning away pretty much kills the game".

As far as my PC, if I hadn't run to those websites, than I would have probably bought Empire Earth III for Christmas and then opened the box and found a handful of bugs.
I don't think anyone is saying don't look at review sites, that would be silly. However, a review isn't the final word on a game. The important thing would be to read the review, not just look at score.

Can't be arsed to mention the b****in' that's going on.

I suspect that the Civs rank lower on list's cause they are not so much a pick-up/put down game that some of the others that have been mentioned.

Come on, nobody's gonna say that 25 turns of an early game (let's say 30 mins) is fun, when all that happened was you discovered a couple of tech, you built a city or two, and with your warrior you discovered tile after tile of empty desert. Oh, and you saw a barb warrior, but it went away. Not the most riveting of games. In say, a TW game that's a couple of battles, and on a generic WWII shoot-a-German/Japanese you've allready single-handedly won a major battle :rolleyes: . (Is there a game played from the Axis point of view? If there is, please tell me!)

A civ game is often about really long-term planning - even TW's don't need that. By the end, I've often used loads of paper, making notes and working out stuff, like upgrade costs etc. That can really put off a fair amount of casual players. My nephew, who's gotten into civ this year, only plays the limited scens (like the WWII and the Zombies one) because he finds said planning off-putting.

I allways remember that a reviewer is just a person. Either a person who is doing it for their salt, who will be jaded and will be forced to pretend to have reactions to things they don't care for. Or they are a normal person, who usally will be writing a review about a game they either love to bits or want to shoot the designers. Or they are plants from the game companies.

When it comes to buying new games, I just take a look at sites like this. Places like this are built by people who give their own energy - and for me, nothing says 'I love this game!' than a well-run site, with enthusiastic posters and a healthy modding area. Even older games have this - I cite No Mutants Allowed (for the Fallout series) even though they've hardly had much new official game info to talkabout for years (until recently, that is)

I've never made a hedious mistake working on this method...yet. Using old-style reviews, I have.

You use paper to plan Civ O_o?

You may like Red Orchestra as it is on the Eastern Front between Germany and Russia. The singleplayer is a Practice mode which is the same as multi but with bots (that have AI levels between beyond brainless that can't get out of the spawn to ones that have okay path finding and then ones that can pick you off across the map with a pistol)

Come on, nobody's gonna say that 25 turns of an early game (let's say 30 mins) is fun, when all that happened was you discovered a couple of tech, you built a city or two, and with your warrior you discovered tile after tile of empty desert. Oh, and you saw a barb warrior, but it went away. Not the most riveting of games. In say, a TW game that's a couple of battles, and on a generic WWII shoot-a-German/Japanese you've allready single-handedly won a major battle :rolleyes: . (Is there a game played from the Axis point of view? If there is, please tell me!)

A civ game is often about really long-term planning - even TW's don't need that. By the end, I've often used loads of paper, making notes and working out stuff, like upgrade costs etc. That can really put off a fair amount of casual players. My nephew, who's gotten into civ this year, only plays the limited scens (like the WWII and the Zombies one) because he finds said planning off-putting.

Then, in the Modern Era, you've pretty much won the game, but there is a tremendous slowdown. Bah.

@Tomme: Make that <80%.

Almost every strategy game get's easy/boring/you start ignoring stuff because you have too many cities/etc near the later game because you often have more than enough territory and resoruces and production to mop the floor with any enemy (which is often most everyone around you).

well, gaming websites are fine........as long as you DON'T say a game sucks just because people reviewed it that way.......

And sometimes the websites can have their own opinions. Gamespot thinks that Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn sucks (6/10) while IGN thinks it's average (8/10) while Gamespy thinks it rocks (4th best Wii game of 2007).

Wait if 6 sucks and isn't average what does that make games that get 3? Not quite the worst game in the universe?

Almost every strategy game get's easy/boring/you start ignoring stuff because you have too many cities/etc near the later game because you often have more than enough territory and resoruces and production to mop the floor with any enemy (which is often most everyone around you).

That is when games like EUII start throwing random events at you, often ones you chose to get so ahead earlier in the game. But I do agree too many strategy games have already reached climax by the 50-70% mark.


They really need to remake the original Suikoden.

This is a thread to discuss which games you would really like sequels to.

Please note that it should be a game that isn't popular enough for game developers to make or something of that sort. (Which means no Halo, GTA, or Resident Evil sequels) And of course, no already announced sequels.


Here are the five I would really like sequels to:

1. Stubbs the Zombie

2. Simcity 5

3. Psychonauts

4. World in Conflict (Expansion)

5. Company of Heroes (Expand the series)

Just to tell you, WiC is going to receive a mini-expansion pack soon.

Im telling you guys! If CoH would add a russian expansion the whole game would make another killing.

I think every one who's played CoH has wanted an Ostfront expansion since day one. :p

WiC is going to have an add-on pack that takes the fight to Russia!

Seems like I've already played World in Conflict back in 2000 when it was called Red Alert 2.

While I'm thinking of it, I want a proper sequel to Snowboard Kids 2. Or at least port the game to DS or something. I loved that game as a kid.

I've never heard of it............sadly, my comp can't handle WiC......

I want more adventures with Guybrush Threepwood, please.

@Tomme: Make that <80%.


Still stupid! Just the fact that you would skip games if it's below a certain ranking sounds so damn stupid to me. I don't care if that number is 90, 80, 75 or 3,14. It's the underlying idea.

Now, back on topic. Steambot Chronicles really deserves a sequel.

Sorry for the late reply, doctor's orders to avoid computers as much as possible.

Yes, I use paper sometimes. Quite often it is making estimations of how much resorces/pop I'll gain from a qonquest, notes on my military preparations and
potentual gains from throwing myself into the Industrial Revolution, etc. Most often, they are timetables on when to move my units and where in a war. You may think this is exessive, but when this war involves around 7 different fronts and you move everything in manual, some planning is required.

I often play massive maps, and I don't let up on the ol' micromanagement just because I 40-odd cities - some 90% of the time there is at least 1 AI who is right on my heels, and it is usally a nation like the Zulus or Mongols (Nearly every game I play seems to turn into a bloodbath). Consistantly dominating the world in the Modern Age seemed to me to be a sign to up the difficulty. Although I do admit I do enjoy seeing 1940 fighting 1840 from time to time.

Thanks, I'll look into Red Orchestra. I was looking more for a game with more of a solo story mode though.

I do the paper thing sometimes, mostly for CoH, I usually do a really basic write up of the map on a paper and then do really scribbly basic plans on that. They have a mega-map in the game, but I cant draw stuff on it quickly, and it over informs me of the battle field, i just want the basics.

I'd actually like Earl Weaver Baseball to have a sequel (or, next in the series, rather). It's an old game from the late 80s (never played EWB II, but I heard it was worse). I have yet to play a baseball game that's even as good as EWB. Out of the Park comes close, but doesn't have an actual in-game simulation (it only uses a static background). It was probably the first game that even allowed you to really customize a stadium (one of the first to use polygons, and animated stands I think). That was a game that was ahead of its' time with all of the features it had. So far, every baseball game I've played either has bad play control, limited features, etc.

Sim Life and Sim Earth are getting their sequel - SPORE. :)

Master of Magic -> hands down

Darklands --> the first open ended game that I know of

Arcanum --> wonderful combination of magick and technology in an adventure

After playing a few rounds of Stronghold:Crusader today I would really like a sequel to it. (Stronghold 2 doesn't count. That game was a disgrace.)

I crave a Glover sequel, the N64 classic. For wii, of course. With glove controller.

Diablo 3 (http://www.diablofans.com/) lol (http://blizzard.com/us/jobopp/)

Looks like it's coming.

After playing a few rounds of Stronghold:Crusader today I would really like a sequel to it. (Stronghold 2 doesn't count. That game was a disgrace.)Ditto.

What made Stronghold 2 bad? Wikipedia doesn't tell me squat.

Einhander

It was a rather obscure side scrolling game that had some "3D" aspects.

After playing a few rounds of Stronghold:Crusader today I would really like a sequel to it. (Stronghold 2 doesn't count. That game was a disgrace.)

Yeah, Stronhold 2 has nice terrain, the buildings aren't as nice and the unit graphics are HORRIBLE. As well it was released telling you to download the patch... and there's still some bugs and problems although it has a couple of nice new features (like estates).

Stronghold is still the best of the series, Crusader seemed more like Age of Empires and lacked sieges.

X-Com (real time and gravity kickedbutt)
Masters of Orion
Galactic Civilizations
Blitzkrieg
IL-2
X-Wing/TIE Fighter
Freespace
Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale
Transport Tycoon

X-Com
Masters of Orion
Galactic Civilizations
Freespace

There is already a Freespace 2. All of these games have sequels.

Starcraft 2
Fallout 3


oh wait...

and Warcraft IV (Not world of warcraft)


also I want a sequel to solitaire!

isn't that....................SPIDER SOLITAIRE!!??!? lol

I do believe there is a Fallout 3 - go to http://www.nma-fallout.com/ and see for yourself. It's no way gonna be like the old Fallout though - from the screenies I've seen I'd say it's more 1st-person perspective. That, and there are no groin shots (!) I'm also betting there will be no children at all - at least the last ones were badly painted over that a patch could set them free. It could be all some new vapourware - I just don't know. I also suspect it will be beyond the capabilites of my current PC.

Yeah I was wondering how Fallout could be on a console.

I do believe there is a Fallout 3 - go to http://www.nma-fallout.com/ and see for yourself. It's no way gonna be like the old Fallout though - from the screenies I've seen I'd say it's more 1st-person perspective. That, and there are no groin shots (!) I'm also betting there will be no children at all - at least the last ones were badly painted over that a patch could set them free. It could be all some new vapourware - I just don't know. I also suspect it will be beyond the capabilites of my current PC.
Groin shots? Badly painted over children? What are you talking about?

I red the whole thread.

All of you are writing loads of crap....... BUT one thing I wanna see a sequel to is Kid Icarus!

I don't that's a sequel that's ever coming out...

There's a bunch of rumors that Factor 5 is working on a Kid Icarus game for the Wii.

I red the whole thread.

All of you are writing loads of crap....... BUT one thing I wanna see a sequel to is Kid Icarus!

While we're dreaming, I want Alex Kidd back :(

While we're dreaming, I want Alex Kidd back :(

I say again, Glover Wii, with glove controller.

Unless I'm living in a totally different world where Fallout is a entirely different game this will make sense...

1) The original Fallout had children in it. The company at the last minuite had them removed (I believe that some nations have laws against killing children, because that is why games like GTA do not have them at all) However, their way of removing them was to badly patch over the code just before shipping. Therefore, it proved very easy to bring back the children with a small patch. It's worse for Fallout 2 - the kids there were also removed, but their 'floating text' and their missions were still there. Simply put, they were still there, but you could not see them or talk to them.

2) You were able to take aimed shots with weapons. You could aim at Head, Torso, all 4 Limbs and Groin (or equivilant) This could come in handy if you want to cripple a man's arm when he is using a minigun (so he can't use it) or to blind someone so they can't shoot straight. You can cause extra pain by shooting 'down there' and so kill them quicker.

Wouldn't mind a new Kidd...

No groin shots, but apparently you'll be able to aim. Not sure how this works with real-time. I guess it will be like in Bioware RPGs and you'll be able to pause between "turns" and give nistructions.
http://fallout.bethsoft.com/images/art/fallout3screens/screen05B.jpg.

On topic: A kind of sequel to Vampire: The Masquerade would be nice, but it won't happen.

I want a new crash bandicoot game.

http://www.anim8or.com/gallery/gallery16/crash_bandicoot.jpg

While we're dreaming, I want Alex Kidd back :(

interesting ...... linky here bee-otch

kid icarus sequel???????? (http://www.pinkgodzillagames.com/pink_godzilla_news/rumor_alert_kid_icarus_sequel.php)

hmmmmmmmmm more signs point to yes than no, and I'd get it if it was really made...

hi ,

hmmmm , a new Dungeon Siege would be nice , ..... :cool:

Have a nice day :)

They are making a sequel to Dungeon siege called Space Siege.

Dungeon Keeper 3

and please expand the CoH series. Either another WWII expansion, or another era (Napoleonic, Civil War, Modern, etc.)

I don't think Company of Heroes would work well in any era before World War 2. The way the game works with the idea of combined arms and tactics is kind of lost in the Napoleonic wars and the American Civil war (which is the war I assume you are refering to.)

X-COM4 is being made by 2k

A TBS version of StarCraft should come out for the DS sometime (just like Age of Empires II, though it would have a little less value since StarCraft still sells).

Though if anything, it would've been a better idea to make Age of Kings and SC on the PSP anyway.

I believe there's a good chance that Stardock (makes of GalCiv) will be doing a MoM style remake.

Conker's Bad Fur Day

I mentioned that game earlier, so no you don't win there!

And Mario should star in a strategy game, maybe make Super Mario Galaxy 2 a Pikmin-style game.

Hold on a minute, SMG was originally shown in 2000 at the GAMECUBE'S first demonstration. Okay, it was called Super Mario 128, and the mini-Marios there evolved into the pioneers of console RTSs following in James Bond's footsteps for Console FPSs.

What GoldenEye 007 did for the FPS genre, Pikmin 2 did for the RTS.

And there should be a Pikmin 3. And maybe F-Zero on the Wii as well. The only references to F-Zero on the Wii so far have been in Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii.

What hell was I supposed to win? Yeah that's why I posted, gotta win. Gotta win.

Kid Icarus, Doom 4, Alan Wake, and HL Ep.3 Confirmed for E3

http://news.filefront.com/kid-icarus-doom-4-alan-wake-and-half-life-episode-3-confirmed-for-e3/

Okay, Grim Fandango needs a sequel.

And I can really be sure that FPS fans are still betting on the Duke (I'm talking about Duke Nukem Forever, the public has apparently known about that since before Half-Life (THE ORIGINAL) (:lol:) was released).

I want Rayman 5 to be released. (I count RaymanRavingRabbids, RRR2 and RRR3 as R4)

Exclusively for PS3, with a WiiMote alike controller.