Vive la France ! Unit Pack


Part I

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Part II

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Woohoo another wonderful and useful addition. Thank you for making these wonderful packs. I am adding them to my Pirates scenario.

Nice units. I see powdered wigs were a fashion for French soldiers from 1750 to 1780 :).

Thanks for making these units Sandris...

Sandris, good sir, you are a force of nature! Another excellent contribution!

Amazing! :D

Cool units! I can see several scenarios and mods that can use these.

Absolutly fantastic as always!

A precision : The "French guard" are in fact "garde française", that is one regiment of the Royal Guard, not all the guard.

However, they are an important part, especially during the revolution, as they sided with the revolutionnaries (countrary to the Swiss Guard who were killed defending the king).

Hurray! :D Amazing!

I'm using the Fusiliers for the Archer path and the Grenadiers for the Swordsman path, what should I use for the Spearman path, or will suitable units for that be made later? :)

Edit: I'll change the fusiliers to the spearman slot as they represented Line Infantry in the French army, and put Voltigeurs for the Archer slot! :D

Great! Great! Great! :goodjob:

An excellent unit pack Sandris! Love to see your work bear its fruits, because the result is always nothing short of spectacular! The French Grenadier, 1750 and the French Imperial Grenadier, 1812 are my favorites, they look stunning to say the least. :goodjob:

Wow! What a pack! I :love: the 1780 Fusilier and Guard Fusilier's hats!

This may seem like a very underappreciating thing to say, but is there any chance of the grenadiers having a grenade throwing animation? I don't mean to sound like i'm ungrateful, i'm ecstatic you've made these! It's just that a grenade action would make them even better!

wow .... great

:eek::woohoo::clap::worship:

(OK, so I'm occasionally caught speechless :D )

Thank You,

Oz

Wow Sandris you are a unit making machine! :goodjob:

I have to sit down. Oh, wait, I am sitting down. Man, I can`t feel my butt, thats how great these units are :lol:

one word: superb!

Wow, that is awesome. I love the bayonet stabbing action. It's not every day that I'm so overwhelmed with awesome units that I probably won't be able to use them all!

One word? Spectacular!
Can I oblige you to make their English(and scotch), Russian, Prussian, Italian and Ottoman counterparts after you're done?
There is a scenario that could use all of them.

English and Russian are already done, for Prussian see Gen.Rommel preview thread.

:banana:

kona koffee & coast to coast could only carry me so far, but before I went to bed I just had to see what you were up to while I made some pictures.

The set reminded me immediately of two of my favorite films - "Barry Lyndon" & "The Duellists" - you show the same superb attention to authentic detail.

you show the same superb attention to authentic detail.
I wonder where he got all the reference pictures. Having good ones probably helps a lot :mischief:

One word: That'sashedloadoffrenchunits!
Good job :thumbsup:

Ahaa! Great work Sandris! As usual I put all the possible units on my Mod!;)

English and Russian are already done, for Prussian see Gen.Rommel preview thread.


I don't remember them. Sandris did them?

Being lazy?

It took me at least 10s to find them in the Download database

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8351

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8210

It was easier to click on my signature and to enter my unit library. :)

Sandris 18th-20th century packs and units:
Russian Pack (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6417244&postcount=1)
Indian Pack (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6386985&postcount=1)
British Pack (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6386985&postcount=1)
American Indian Pack (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6555765&postcount=1)
Serbian Rifleman (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6468146&postcount=1)
Japanese Rifleman (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6475412&postcount=1)

We could use some Chinese, Arab-Turkish and black African riflemen and musketmen....
Also, Sandris your signature link, takes people to the wrong page.

Ils sont magnifiques, ces soldats francais!

Ils sont magnifiques, ces soldats francais!
Vraiment !!!!

Nice work, Sandris, nice work :)

I can't wait for someone to make an updated Napoleonic scenario, so that your British units can side with your Russian units against the Napoleonic threat of your French units :cool:

I'm waiting for Gen.Rommel Prussian, and then for the Austrians, Swedes, Spanish, Italians, etc.

And then for Sandris to make proper cavalry and artillery.

When I have all that, promise, I'll do a new scenario. I already have some ideas.

Another great set of units there. They look magnificent. I don't know how you manage to make so many so quickly!

Another great set of units there. They look magnificent. I don't know how you manage to make so many so quickly!
I suspect Sandris is not a single person, but at least twins.

"Sandris" is plural- it's triplets with the surname "Sandri" so they registerd as the Sandris :D

If someone :mischief: could send me referrences to Dutch, Swedish, Italian and Spanish 1650-1920 unit lines, it would be useful. :)

Let's hope that someone can find something for you, but I'm afraid it may take some time.

Being lazy?

It took me at least 10s to find them in the Download database

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8351

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8210

Ah those...
Yes, I have those, sorry to make you list them.

But all in all, if I was told Sandris made them I'd search them myself.
A lot of people made similar units, including your conversions. I thought you meant your conversions(you said "thse are made" which can have multiple interpretations, as in: "someone else made them", "they are made but not posted yet", "made by someone else and posted", etc.

Don't confuse laziness with not knowing what to search for.

I'm waiting for Gen.Rommel Prussian, and then for the Austrians, Swedes, Spanish, Italians, etc.

I suspect I'll be taking care of the Austrian units as well (just a heads up Sandris, so we don't create the same units double ;)).

Anyway Sandris, don't you already have your hands full with Turkish and Asian units before you really need more refeence?

Wow. *updating mod now*

Anyway Sandris, don't you already have your hands full with Turkish and Asian units before you really need more refeence?

Steph, it`s not needed "right now", but it would be useful to have them already. I have some of the source images, but you have a lot more possibilities with your military library and knowledge.

I'll try to do something, but I doubt I'll be able to do that before the week end.

I suspect I'll be taking care of the Austrian units as well (just a heads up Sandris, so we don't create the same units double ;)).

Yes, Yes, Yes! :D
I have a truckload of reference images for the Austrians... just a FYI. ;)

Ils sont magnifiques, ces soldats francais!Here you go talking French again :eek: I have to agree with you on these, mate :D Just wonderful. You've justified your title "la maison du Roi" now :) You could use one of them as your avatar.

C'est le guerre!
Very impressive Mr. Sandris.
But, being that these are Frenchmen, don't you think their chests are a little too manly?
Or, perhaps it is that they are all puffed up with their own self-importance.


(My apologies to all the Frenchies out there, but I couldn't resist poking a little fun. Please feel free to return the favor regarding us Yanks.);)

Yes, Yes, Yes! :D
I have a truckload of reference images for the Austrians... just a FYI. ;)
There's a good possibility Gen.Rommel and Sandris already received a truckload of Austrian reference pictures. :mischief:

Sandris, maybe you can add an attackb with sword to your units like French Fusilier 1700, Russian Musketeer and British Musketeer 1700? The others units (who have the bayonet) have all an attackb so I think it would be great and complete the units. I know it is more work for you but...

It would be difficult to do as the AttackB is supposed to continue from A, and linking both would be hard I think

Two things:

1) Some of the pedia icons have a too long file name. You will have to cut down some names in order to make C3 able to read them.

For example, I had to rename

FrenchImperialGrenadier1812Large.pcx (32 chars + extension)

to FrenchGrenadier1812Large.pcx,

because the game crashed. The simple reason was that Civ read something like (filename).p or (filename).pc instead of pcx - it was just too long.
In order to avoid this AND have descriptive filenames, you could go and put LG and SM instead of Large and Small.

FrenchImperialGrenadier1812LG.pcx (29 chars, seems to work)

2) I noticed that the Rifleman pcx are on the pink side again. I felt free to make a brighter version, hope you don't mind.

Ares thank you, you are free to do all you want with my units :lol:.

Schon eingeheimst ;) *Klau*

If someone :mischief: could send me referrences to Dutch, Swedish, Italian and Spanish 1650-1920 unit lines, it would be useful. :)

Here's a site with decent articles about many events from the late 1700's-1815: http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/c_battles.html

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Mix of many from the 1600-1700:
Here's a site with tons of miniatures, many with era uniforms. I'm not sure how historically accurate they are, but they are worth a look.
http://bajoran.upnaway.com/~obees/soldiers/index.html

http://www.anselm.edu/academic/history/hdubrulle/WarandRevolution/text/generalinfo/gallery/militaryrevolution.htm

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Swedish Infantry 1813-1814 (all of them):
Verbal Description:
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/organization/c_swedes.html

Black and White Picture:
http://www.napoleon-series.org/images/military/battles/Norway1814/cavalrypursuit.jpg

Color Pics (Norwegians too):
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/c_viciouswar1808.html

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Spain:
Spanish Arquebusier (not sure about spelling): Pic towards the bottom
www.answers.com/topic/arquebus-1

This site has some pics on it further down:
http://www.geocities.com/ao1617/weapon.html

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That's about all I can come up with using hardcore Googling. Hope some of it helps. Didn't have a whole lot of time, and for some reason the "Insert Link" thing went and deleted all the Dutch site links I had when I posted this.

Nice, so very, very nice. :king: :clap:

O yes, I've been waiting for these to com out ever since your british troops came out. Fantastic stuf.

I beleve I did notice a mistake with your 1890 rifleman though. First you have the jacket comming almost strait down from the belt to form a 90 degree angle. The jacket should start to gently curve back to its lowest point behind the calf. This basic jacket was used by the french from the 1850s all the way to the battle of france in 1941, and probably after that in north africa, my refrence books don't say one way or the other. There was also a jacket of similer cut to the one you used but it had a lot of white and red decerating the uniform. It's kind of fard to tell at thit timeperiod as uniforms still tened to vary some within the same army of some nations. If this jacket was used at this time I would love to see it, if it is in a book I would love to know the title and author.

But they are all fantastic units, and I know that I am going to be replacing BAP's and Nemesis Rex's french units with your 1812 and 1890 units.

Thanks

A thousand thanks for this new unit pack, Sandris - ils sont vraiment fantastique! :king: Can't wait for more *slobber*
If I only had the time, I would love to do (or paticipate with) an "Era of gunpowder 1590 - 1890" scenario...

Check out Age of Colonization, Will.

Holy shiite muslims! This calls for a Cossacks mod.

Hey Sandris, any chance of releasing any of these guys in civ color? I was thinking the 1812 fusilier..

Hey Sandris, any chance of releasing any of these guys in civ color? I was thinking the 1812 fusilier..

It always depends on what parts of the unit are needed to be civ-colored.

Any plan to expand this pack a bit?

There are two reserved posts on the first page which are feeling all sad, they believe their daddy has abandonned them!

Oh come one Steph, give the man a break, he said he plans to make EVERYTHING.. :)

It was just a subtile (well, not so subtile), to see if he was working on the remaining reference pictures I sent him :mischief:

It always depends on what parts of the unit are needed to be civ-colored.

:lol: This is as close as I've seen to a Civ koan. I would say, "Whatever parts are large enough so the color is obvious yet don't detract from the unit's esthetics." :)

Best,

Oz

I'd say the coat in this case, because European powers seem to have liked colorful clothing. Kind of like pedophiles. Maybe change the cuff-sleeves to black.
Would you be re-rendering the soldier completely or just do some magic on the pallette?

I'd say the coat in this case, because European powers seem to have liked colorful clothing. Kind of like pedophiles.

:confused: :eek: :run:

I see I'm not the only one to react like that to his most unwelcome jusxtaposition...
If I were Sandris, I guess Bungus would wait a very long time for his civ coloured unit.

Beside, the European units of the time used "funny" colours only on some parts: cuffs, collars, lapels, to distinguish between the various regiment.

The coat itself was "civ coloured", but with Blue, Green, White or Red moslty.

No Cyan, Magenta, Yellow.

I'd say the coat in this case, because European powers seem to have liked colorful clothing. Kind of like pedophiles.

:dubious:

Indeed one of the strangest comparisons I've heard in my life.

Any plan to expand this pack a bit?

There are two reserved posts on the first page which are feeling all sad, they believe their daddy has abandonned them!

I should say that I`m working on French expansion, but I had technical difficulties with some of the units.
Anyway, British expansion will be released before the French one.

I should say that I`m working on French expansion, but I had technical difficulties with some of the units.
Anyway, British expansion will be released before the French one.
This is great news. Will this expansion include cavalry?

This is great news. Will this expansion include cavalry?

Actually, I`m working on cavalry units too, but the animations for cavalry units are new for me (have not been made before), that`s why I`m spending a lot of time on them. So I have to choose - or to post infantry expansion very soon, or to wait some time and to release both infantry and cavalry units in one expansion pack.


Also, I`ve already made the French Musketeer, 1650, but I`m not sure about the colors. Are they OK ?

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4136/frenchmusketeermainkq1.jpg

I know nothing about colours, but to my untutored eye they look great!

But please, I beg of you, let your French musketeer pull out that rapier and do some fencing for attack B or C!!!!!! Just like D'Artagnan and his Three Musketeers: Athos! Porthos! Aramis!

Just look at the bottom of page 3 of my French Uniform reference (the one I sent you) to get the picture of Louis XIII's musketeer.

You roughly got it right. Use a red strip instead of a yellow one for the over cloth, and a blue shirt instead of yellow/greenish

That looks great. I am sure several people will find conflicting color schemes though. It seems to me what was worn under the outer garment varied.
http://www.sirclisto.com/cavalier/musketeers.jpg

Actually, I`m working on cavalry units too, but the animations for cavalry units are new for me.

If you need reference pictures, send me an email with your priority request.

I can`t say about the colours, but the modeling is amazing! Great job Sandris!

Holy Crap, I just counted.. you already made a 100 units!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Swordfighting? Fencing? Musketeer using his Rapier? Please?

Swordfighting? Fencing? Musketeer using his Rapier? Please?
I think that would be excellent as a unit. Perhaps give him a pistol to fire then have fencing attack follow it.

Actually, there are lots of books, referrences and images with different interpretations on musketeer`s uniform.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9581/render1ly6.jpg

What about the fencing animation, what should we do with the musket and the wooden rest during the animation ? :)

Hmm... He could just hide them under is over cloth, let say there is a extra dimensional pocket hidden there.

Well Sandris, you're really the man - compared to you, Santa Claus is a scrooge (he cames only once a year...) :crazyeye: Can't wait for the expansion...miam...

a little idea about 1650 musketeer's animation, but I don't know it it's possible to do:
I read in wikipedia, that as the muskets got less massive and didn't need to be braced on the stick (the "fork spear" thing, what ever this is called...), the musketeer began to use their "fork spears" to construct defense systems against cavalry. Musketeer troops also carried timber (these balks were about 4 meters long) and in the timber were a lot of holes. The musketeers put their "fork spears" in these holes and that way, kind of "cheval de frise" was constructed.

It's a pitty that the *.INI-files do not allow to split the fighting animations into attack and defense - cause in this case, the example above would be a highly historical accurate animation for defense, but it could also be an interesting alternate attack animation (while musketeer is fencing)

My manic proposal: Right after shooting, the musketeer could either put his musket on his back or let it drop (meanwhile, kind of timber balk appears softly on the edge), musketeer moves and put his "fork spear" into the timber, then pulls his rapier and go back to the middle position for fencing...
(and for holy sake, the same sh*t should be done again in reverse to fit the VICTORY/DEAD animations, right?) It was perhaps just a crazy idea, or could you imagine to try this... :rolleyes:

What about the fencing animation, what should we do with the musket and the wooden rest during the animation ? :)Ack! Good question. What do Steph's Cossack Conversions do with theirs, I wonder? I could go check...

What would real musketeers have done (that fork thing sounds cool, but...difficult)? Stick a plug bayonet into the old blunderbuss and neglected the rapier?

What if they had their muskets on a sling? They could shoulder the thing, and then go about swordplay. (Somehow I imagine that real musketeers didn't have shoulder straps for their muskets...)

Drat!!!

Abandon the fork, have him hold the musket in his left hand while he draws his rapier with the right. Don't have him let go the musket while he slashes, or the death will be a jump (musket will appear in death animation, or dissappear, any way you do it)

So about that civ color 1812 French Fusilier...

I like the animation proposed by Bungus. Let him hold it in his left hand and do the fencing with his right.

yet another opinion...

I'd prefer to have him drop everything...go all out with the fencing and avoid any clumsiness he can.

In the RFRE mod the Legio unit can build forts & roads as well as fight. Why not give him a separate animation, like the one Willi_Tell describes, to build a fortification. Then whoever uses the unit in their mod would have the option to give it that ability. And whoever doesn't could just use the rapier / musket attack.

Actually, there are lots of books, referrences and images with different interpretations on musketeer`s uniform.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9581/render1ly6.jpg

What about the fencing animation, what should we do with the musket and the wooden rest during the animation ? :)

I think you can add to these units an attackb by sword/rapier.
Second I would prefer others colors for the sword. I dont'like very much the blu and yellow colors. ;)

yet another opinion...

I'd prefer to have him drop everything...go all out with the fencing and avoid any clumsiness he can.
Then the death won't look quite right, as the musket will appear back in his hand. But it would be easier to animate.