To get an idea of what kind of participation we will be having, lets start having some nominations. You are allowed to self-nominate.

Please state the position and person(s) you wish to nominate.

There will be:

President
Domestic Advisor
Military Advisor
Foreign Advisor
Science Advisor

(In the future there will also be Governors.)

The Constitution (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26780)

If there is sufficent response I will make a nomination thread for each position.

If you are nominated please Accept or Decline to nomination.

To help things along, I would suggest that when you nominate someone you also PM/e-mail them to let them know. If anyone is Unconfirmed at the end of the nomination period, they will have been considered to have declined the nomination.

I will update this post with the nominees and their status (A,D,U).

President
Dell A
Duke of Marlbrough A

Domestic Advisor
Mordhiem A
bigfatron A

Kev D

Military Advisor
Ren A
Myartar A

Foreign Advisor
civ1-addict A
heliogabalus A

kmad U

Science Advisor
duke o' york A
germanos A

I would like to nominate Dell for president.
He has been in our previous game from the beginning until the end and has done a good job as a governor and therefore I think he will be a good president.

Go on then, I will accept but I hope everyone else makes plenty of threads, so that I know what to do.

My nominations:

Kev for Domestic advisor

Duke of York for Science Minister

Civ1 Addict for Foreign advisor (Does this role include the expansion ministers job?)

Ren for Military Advisor

I would have picked a wider range of people but I'm not sure who else is up for playing.

I accept the nomination (now I'll have to find out what I should do in this job....:lol: ).

Edit: found it in the constitution thread:
Article 3: Foreign Advisor: Makes decisions regarding Diplomatic relations such as war, peace, and treaties.

Thanks, I accept the nomination of me, and I second nomination of Dell19 for President :)

Yes, Dell for President!

My input is this, since I don't really "know" what people would like to do.... if you are interested in jobs, even in the future (but not in the first election), please feel free to simply self-nominate. Don't let the fact you are "new", a low "post count" person, can't "win" (or maybe never played) at Deity, etc. inhibit you.

IMHO, the hardest job is President, and people can take a look at the job of Kev and his fantastic writing skills in the last Demo game. He has really set the standard, and it take some "real time" to do that job well. In my opinion, you need to be willing to do a lot of writing and "neutral posting" to guide things, and know how to assimilate and use tons of info (e.g., input from "the people") when you play the turns.

That said, you need not be a Deity expert to be Pres.... writing, people, organization, and logic skills are "most" important :).

For all people (esp. those new to Demo), remember you can take a look at how prior office holders did their jobs. You can often learn whet they did best, and use that as a starting point. So don't be "afraid" of jumping right in just because you did not run for anything (or maybe not participate) in the last Demo game :).



Next: Don't be "afraid" of self-nomination, even if you think you might "lose" an election. Remember, while only one person can hold a given office at a time, there will be many more elections in the future. If you don't make your intentions known somehow (and I think this thread is a good way ;) ), how will others know what you're interested in?

If someone is afraid of self-nomination, ask one of your friends (or PM me, if you're kindof new) to nominate you. LOL, but if you wanna serve in a Democracy, you needn't be bashful about nominating yourself ;).


I don't plan to hold office, as long as enough of ya'll are available to serve. I plan to help as a general citizen, and I'm happy seeing you guys (and gals!) in office. But no matter what office you're in, you might see a long post from me giving my input to you (as John Q. Citizen), though LOL... then again, I've been known to go into the US Capital and tell Senators and Reps what I think about things (and their job), too..........



Anyway, good luck to all and to all a good night.

:)

PS, This is P3K, suitably, in my favorite form of Gov't!

From the Constitution for ease of reference by all:
Section I: Elections

Article 1: Elections will be held for the Presidency, each Council position and each Provincial Governor position.

Article 2: Terms last One month.

Article 3: There are no Term Limits.

Article 4: Only existing council members may run for the presidency. Other elections are open to all citizens. Runner-ups for department heads automatically become deputy advisors for that department. The runner up in the presidential election becomes the Vice President.

Article 5: If there are no runner-ups the new advisor can appoint a deputy. (Deputies are not a required position.)

Article 6: Five days before the end of the month nominations shall begin. Two days before the end of the month, the polls for all positions of nominated members shall be posted. On the last day of the month the winners shall be declared, and a new term shall begin on the first day of the new month.

Article 7: Self-Nomination is allowed and automatically constitutes a nomination and acceptance for the position.

Article 8: Citizens can run for a maximum of two positions but may only hold one department advisor position at a time. Citizens are allowed to serve as Advisor and Deputy Advisor in two different departments. Thus if they win 2 elections they must choose one and the runner-up of the unselected position will be declared the winner.

Article 9: Citizens can hold multiple Deputy Positions.


Note how the VP and Deputies are chosen.... they are the runner-ups in elections. Also note that you can run for more than one position.

With all the people signing up, I hope that we have 5 in primary positions, and 5 different people in the VP/deputy postions.

For Duke of Marbrough: there should be a Governor, too, right?

:)

Originally posted by starlifter
For Duke of Marbrough: there should be a Governor, too, right?

Look at the last four words of article 1. ;)

But, the domestic leader is the governor of the first province. New governors will be added as the empire expands.

the domestic leader is the governor of the first province. New governors will be added as the empire expands.

Ahh... I see. I hadn't realized there was not an elected governor at the very start. That answers my question about why you didn't list a Governor election at the top of the thread. :)

I should be the temporary president in the multi Civ 2 game for awhile so I should have some experience by the time this game starts.

I accept the nomination as Science Advisor and would like to invite you all to join me in my quest to have Dell crowned King of the Fanaticans by the end of his term as President! Polls to follow as soon as we have got the first turn screen. In fact, could we not have the game posted in a sticky but closed thread before we decide on all the positions? The Duke of Marlbrough could open the game and take a screenshot of the area around our settlers and tell us what the settings are but then close the thread without putting the .sav on. I assume that Smash will be giving us one of the thousands of self-made maps he has lying around, rather than building a brand new one. However, if he has put us on a one square island to start off with then interest in the game might decline. :)

And civ, I think that since we don't have a special position for exploration this game, then you will deal with the polls for which directions to send our troops and whether to pop huts etc. :goodjob:

Why am I Unconfirmed??

Give Duke a chance! Kev and I don't have the power to edit posts, and I doubt I'd go round messing with Duke's posts if I did. He'll get round to it! Although I notice that so far there is only a single nomination for each position. It's tempting to stir things up a bit and nominate more people but I have no idea who would like to do what. Come on, nominate yourselves if you really want a job! :) We'd get a democratic election!

I know, but his post was edited after I confirmed...

Originally posted by duke o' york
. Come on, nominate yourselves if you really want a job! :) We'd get a democratic election!
I'd love to nominate for a role but I have an unpredictable real-world job that takes me away for times at short notice - so I don't want to let anyone down.

I'd be most interested in a governorship as my first time out in one of these, but Science looks interesting too.

BFR

Well, it would seem that my post of a few days ago "didn't take".

In that post, I requested a one-term hiatus from government duty as I was a bit burned out. I would love to see someone new jump in and take up a position, and with this in mind, I'll make two nominations:

1. Mordhiem for the position of Domestic Advisor
2. bigfatron for the position of Domestic Advisor

Yes, it's true, two people for the same position. The DA's position in the beginning of the game is essentially that of the governor for our first few cities and also the regular domestic choices such as city placements, tax/sci/lux slider positioning, and any trade.

You should both get involved. The election will then produce the Domestic Advisor and the Deputy Domestic Advisor who would take over should the DA not be around (or on a business trip at short notice :))

Remember, you won't be responsible for making the decisions, per se, you'd be basically directing discussions on all of these matters. It should be no problems! Also, our constitution states that in order to be president, you must have held a position in the cabinet. A good stepping stone for those who might have higher aspirations.... :)

I'll PM the guide that you sent me about the Domestic Advisor's duties to the tow you have suggested as candidates. That'll give them a better idea of what they have to do. :goodjob:
I can see that city placement will be a point of much discussion though! :D

[edit]: Rats! I managed to delete the message! Er, sorry chaps but I can't send you Kev's guidelines at the moment. :( :blush:

I support all that have been named on top of the thread and that have accepted.

I am fully for the democracy, but currently we do have a slight Despotism at our hands. This will last for a millenium or so.

I ask of the Science Advisor to make sure ALL research will be focused on Monarchy, and emediately thereafter to Republic. This will assure the democratic princples of our nation.
The appointed Science Advisor will have to support this goal offcourse.

The first true elections can be held under the reign of a enlightend Monarch.

I now hereby nominate germanos for Science Advisor. :)

Go ahead and accept, germanos. The worst case - even if you don't win - is that you'll be Deputy Science Minister and can work alongside duke to ensure the proper governmental techs are studied...

Or he can work as YOUR Deputy!!

And a note to everyone: If you would like a position NOMINATE YOURSELF. There should be no hesitation if you think you'd be good at a postion, we all may not know each other from the boards and not realize where your talents lie. We should then start a campaigning thread where each candidate explains his views and goals.

Another reason why you should "throw your hats into the ring" - even if you THINK you may not win - is that we need deputies as people are prone to vacations and work trips and the like. Having served as Deputy also puts you in good stead for future cabinet spots and governorships!!

And heck, it's just plain more fun to have more candidates and actually have elections. :goodjob:

Well, I was planning to wait out the first turn and see how things go before commiting yada yada yada, but what the hell! :D

Now, all I need is a campaign slogan...

--EDIT--

Oh yeah, now I remember why I didn't self-nominate. I'm on my hols (to sunny Costa Brava :)) from the 26th through 8th, so would miss the first week or so (i.e. the most important week).

That's the spirit, Mordiem!!!

How about "you'll get more with mordhiem"
Or "We'll grow in no time with mordhiem"
Or "Don't be afraid of what my name means in German, I'm a good guy"

yes Yes YES .... I have been nominated!

(Hmmm....I hope I will have enough time on my hands....maybe e few PBEM's should be put on hold.....they all seem to die slowly anyway....)

Okiedokie:how about this:
"Get your own Republic with Germanos!"

"Germanos: the torch of Knowledge burns his hands (ouch!)"

or using my favorite Einstein quote:
"I have no special talents. I'm just passionately curious"

i nominate kmad

Mordhiem appears on the an Fanatica TV Domestic Advisor Election Special

*Mordhiem enters stage right*
.
*Applause and cheering*
.
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*Someone does that annoying "whoop!" thing*
.
.
.
*Applause and chhering ceases*

*Mordhiem speaks*

"Vote for Mordhiem, we've all done something stupid."

"Vote for Mordhiem, it's easier than thinking."

*some cheers, mostly boos*

*Mordhiem exit stage left (avoiding the tomatoes)*

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ mordheim :goodjob:

Guys! It's good that you nominate persons but also say for what position you nominate them please! :)

I will nominate myself for domestic advisor and Military Advisor. Both in the hopes to only be the deputy for them.

Ren: I had edited the post only after getting a PM from civ1-addict about him accepting his position, and because it was a 'quick' update, I didn't have time to read any of the other posts. Don't worry.... I still want you in the game. ;)

eh...I guess I'll let you off, this time... http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/icons/icon27.gif

I'd like to nominate myself for Military Advisor, seems like a good place to start here! :)

Originally posted by Kev
Well, it would seem that my post of a few days ago "didn't take".

In that post, I requested a one-term hiatus from government duty as I was a bit burned out. I would love to see someone new jump in and take up a position, and with this in mind, I'll make two nominations:

1. Mordhiem for the position of Domestic Advisor
2. bigfatron for the position of Domestic Advisor


:egypt:
Ahem.

I am delighted - no, honoured - to accept your nomination as Domestic Advisor to this glorious 10,000 strong empire. I will strive for the betterment of my fellow fanatics in all things and, should you choose to repose this trust in my humble self, will devote my days to the wealth and wheal of this mighty commonwealth of citizens.

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou.....
:D

Note:
Donations in money, services, favours, share tips or otherwise, including arranged liasons with showgirls, lap-dancers, B-list actresses and other women of elastic morality should all be referred to my election agent. Receipts will not be issued.;)

Unless Duke wants to do it, I'll volunteer for election official. In fact, maybe starlifter could do it as he doesn't seem to have volunteered for a position and has said he'd prefer a backseat role for the first term of government.
If you'd like to starlifter then just post here!
If I do the elections then I shall take the candidates we have at midday on Friday (GMT) and make the appropriate polls, to be closed after the weekend. We have three people for the posts of domestic and military advisors and two for the science advisor, but at the moment only one person has cast their hat into the ring for President and foreign advisor. I'd have thought that the office of exploration and hut-popping would be more popular, but apparently not so far. Maybe we'll get a late rush on this one. :D
There are two of us going for science, but we both seem to have the idea of monarchy asap, although afterwards our paths may wander. For example, I'd be very tempted to go for mapmaking quite soon in this game as I've got the feeling Smash will put us in an isolated place to start off with, especially as we've specified islands and continents for the map. I've got a feeling we'll have an island to ourselves. Still, only the efforts of the foreign ministry will confirm this for us. :)

Originally posted by kmad
i nominate kmad

Hmmm....

I'll nominate kmad for the position of Foreign Advisor - which in the early stages will be more along the lines of exploration manager. If there was something else you wanted to run for, kmad, feel free to do so (you may even decide NOT to accept this nomination and go for something else entirely)

I'd love to nominate Starlifer for something as well, but if he's looking to take it easy the first term (such as poor, tired Kev who has now taken to referring to himself in the third person for some reason) I'll respect that.

I am so glad that there are so many people looking to be involved!

I'm going to start a "Campaigning Thread" so all nominees can give their speeches and espouse their views on the postion for which they are running. Check it out, but don't post there unless you are a nominee!

duke: Thanks for taking over the election duties - or thanks to starlifter if he decides to take it up!

The elections need to be handled by one of us Mods. It is one of the few elements that we need to be certain is a controlled situation.

Well, since we now have two people for the Domestic Advisor and Military Advisor positions, I'm going to now decline my previous self-nominations and self-nominate myeslf for President and Foreign Advisor. Again, both in hopes to be the deputy of the positions.

Isn't it wonderful how quickly things change in politics? ;)

Going for pres, eh? Oh your not...So if someone specifically says they want to be a deputy does that mean that we don't have a poll since it would be a waste of time. Btw Kev has started a thread for campain talk.

Unless Duke wants to do it, I'll volunteer for election official. In fact, maybe starlifter could do it as he doesn't seem to have volunteered for a position and has said he'd prefer a backseat role for the first term of government.
If you'd like to starlifter then just post here!

No, I'm not going to run for a position. I'll play the role of John Q. Citizen (just allocate me my two grains of food per turn!!).

Basically, I'll help and plan to post prolifically at times, depending on my real life schedule. And probably some screenies, too. Plus, I don't want any postion, as long as there is any person, even a newbie, that might be willing to jump in. Sometimes, it can be "repressive" to a game (from a newcomer's point of view) if well known players seem to have the offices.... which can discourage participation by newer players, too. So I'm going to remain a cheerleader-at-large ;).

Also, one of my main goals is to see people have a good time and learn more about Civ 2, and also help people become better players.... particularly the people who are shy about trying tough levels like Diety.

About the Elections, Duke o York has the bull by the horns there :), so he should go with it. Nice job, Duke o York/

Good luck to all nominees, and remember that there will be many elections in the future, even if you don't get a position in the first term.

:)

Can we *please* run the elections longer than just the weekend? I don't generally check in here over the weekend as I do all my surfing on the T1 line at work :D Actually, if in general ALL polls would include at least one work day it would make me happier (for whatever that's worth :rolleyes: :lol: )

When will the actual elections be? These are only the nominations...

Originally posted by Leowind
Can we *please* run the elections longer than just the weekend? I don't generally check in here over the weekend as I do all my surfing on the T1 line at work :D Actually, if in general ALL polls would include at least one work day it would make me happier (for whatever that's worth :rolleyes: :lol: )

I'm similar to you, Leowind. Although I can go online from home, I'm usually out and about on the weekends. I think that duke o' york is pretty much a weekday guy as well. I've always been a proponent of including weekdays. This is why I suggested starting the elections on Friday and finishing them at the end of Monday. You'd have all day Friday and Monday (depending on time differences and the like) to cast your vote.

Then, on Tuesday, our new leadership can start posting things for us to deal with. Fun, fun, fun.

Originally posted by Dell19
Going for pres, eh? Oh your not...So if someone specifically says they want to be a deputy does that mean that we don't have a poll since it would be a waste of time. Btw Kev has started a thread for campain talk.

Yes, a poll is still needed. Anytime there is more than one person running for a position a poll will be held for the election.

Just becasue I would only want to be deputy, doesn't mean everyone has to agree. They still get the choice to vote for who they want to handle each position.

Damn now I have some competition...Vote for me...vote for me...vote for me... It still seems a bit strange to run a poll when one person is running to be the deputy. So are the election threads being started on Friday?

Yes - as soon as I can get round to it on Friday morning. Should be about 9am GMT (do your own sums people round the world :)) and hopefully they will be done on Monday evening.
I proposed to Duke that I do the elections, apart from the one I'm standing in. I haven't actually got the power to edit polls like the mods have, but I don't want to seem to be unfairly influencing the result. Well, apart from voting for germanos. :)

You can do them all. There's no way you can change the results of the polls. ;) Plus, it will avoid any confusion as to why that one election would be different from all the rest.

I would still hope others will nominate/accept for positions. I want the first term to be full, that's why I'm running for the positions that only have one person. If anyone else was to run for them, I'd be more than happy to pull out. ;)

Can you hold two positions in the cabinet at once?

You can hold two cabinet positions at once if indeed necessary, but it is not desirable. I would suggest that later in the game it will be fine to play as both a cabinet minister and a provincial governor but for the time being then one person for each position would be best. You may find yourself with two roles if you are serving as the deputy for another minister as well as your ministry and they are absent for one reason or another but this shouldn't happen too often.

On that note, can I just ask that if people are going away on holiday or something then please give the rest of us fair warning so that the game isn't held up by waiting for a department's report when the minister is away. Send your deputy a PM and ask them to take control of the ministry in question while you will be away. :D

FWIW, all the details are in the Constitution. I took a look at the Civ 3 Democracy game, and noticed they often have one person doing 2 jobs (in past terms), typically a Minister job and Deputy Minister in another dept.

However, I'm really hopeful that with all the interest and citizens that have signed up, that we'll have a diverse group of elected officials :) :)..




The Full Civ 2 Democracy Constitution. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26780)

I nominate heliogabalus for the foreign minister as he has shown an interest in the position.

Hello all.

As I am the horseman waiting to join your civilization in my comfy hut to the east, I nominate myself for a position in the exploration department. That would be the post of "foreign advisor", I s'pose. I'd be happy with the deputyship. But should the people choose me for the big one, I would take the challenge...

heliogabalus

I suppose my self-nomination shows that I also Accept dell's nominating me.

I also nominate heliogabalus for the foreign minister (albeit delayed, LOL ;) ).

Good luck to all nominees, and have at it in the Campaign Thread :D.

Nominations are now closed.

The standings listed in the first post will be used for the election polls.

Only those who have Accepted a position will be listed as candidates in the polls.

Election Threads:

President (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27460)

Domestic Advisor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27461)

Military Advisor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27462)

Foreign Advisor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27464)

Science Advisor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27465)