Demetrias, in the HNESII thread, brought up about how the game discluded the nations that founded the League of Nations. So, what is the point of Historical NESes? To provide a game with a historical foundation, or a detailed simulation of which we can play a part pre-made for us and re-enact what happened in the times before us?

I think that this would require a bit more acting talent, and a little more 'in-characterness' than a lot of the NESers have displayed. The Troquelet and myself seem to have been the only ones to try and make our historical counterparts fit suit in the game, pardon Julien after I gave him a merciless tongue lashing.

So what about this--if people really are interested in a 'simulation', I propose a Model UN Security Council for the NESers here on the forum. In a step towards a greater HNES game, if people are willing to commit to a half-hour or so of research, I will write up a country information sheet for them to fill out. Debates on resolutions and such, similar to a real-life Model UN meeting, should be fairly interesting to do, without such limitations of the stuffy procedure.

So, here we go--do we want to make the HNES a simulation, or a game? And who's willing to make the commitment to make it a simulation?

Toasty, I want to be realistic, but the truth is I don't know crap about the pre-WWII era.

So take a nation you know a lot about. That's why I took France in UKNES2 and it's working OK so far... although I've been a bit too treacherous even for Napoleon.

Ya you're right, Troq...but ohwell. I'm sure if I tried I could be realistic for Japan.

If it were a simulation the allies would be unprepared for the Axis attack when one of us goes bonkers.

I would rather have a game still.

It is quite difficult to have good balance between reality and game. I I need to have the same politic as USA during the 1930's, I won't do anything before any real threat for my country ... Like Toasty said, during the great depression USA closed her mouth diplomatically and stay on an isolationist position. If I need to do the same, I won't do anything but industrializing or saying "I'm not agree" but without any actions undertaked. But if it is a game, we should have a more liberty of actions. I think that the interest in NES is to play like we want in order to see what could be our world if such or such decisions would have been taken or not. But if it is a simulation we should better take an history book to see the whole end ---> So no interests at all ...

Toasty What i did required no effort on the players part. I offered iformation that we could us to better define our roles. You said earlier that you wanted us to play more to our characters. Will my character and the one das are playing believed whole heartedly that if they tried the League of Nations could work to solve their problems. So i asked in the thread for a vote and only one person spoke up. so i ask if any one knew the league of nations members so we could get those people to vote yay or nay. No one spoke up. So i went out and got the information myself. So now we can use it and have league of nations votes and people dropping out or joing. So we can have more options then i am going to shot you. it was there and it was part of the world we should be able to adapt it. Besides if we played to history. then none of us would rule the nations we do. every ones time is off and Roosevelt would still be dealing with the depression you would have to fix your numbers for money and a lot more then just having the League. If you played Cold War you would have to include the United Nations. We are playing WWII so there needs to be some form of the League of nations even if we just have it so we can destroy it.

Oh and to your question no. It would take way more then thirty minutes. It took me two hours to find a copy of the League of Nations charter with the Annex attached. It would take a while just to read the UN charter then researching stances would take just as long. Just faking it is better. Know generalalities about your country and the countries that can perticappate.