Poor Monty, every one thinks of him as a crazy warlord. Notice his traits are aggressive AND spiritual it’s true Monty likes war (if fact he really, really, really likes war :rolleyes:) but he would rather be know as a great religious leader. In this RPC Montezuma wants to show who he really is, he want to show the world he is a great religious leader!

Rules:

1. He will found one religion and that will be his state religion for the rest of the game. His state religion will not be a religion he did not found and he will not found more then one religion.

2. Before he can win he must raze at least three holy cities because he is not tolerant of other religions! Of course he must not raze his state religion’s holy city. Razing a multiple holy city counts as more then 1 city (i.e. a double holy city would count as two cities and a triple holy city would count for all three)

3. If the AP is not under his state religion he must raze the city that it was built in.

4. Sacrificial altars may only be built in cities with his state religion present he must not sacrifice to other gods!!!

5. Monty can not take vassals , vassals are left on only for the AIs

Victories:

Grade A: AP diplomatic
Grade B: UN diplomatic
Grade C: space race
Grade D: domination or time
Grade F: cultural or conquest victories are totally unacceptable!

Here are the settings:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0011.jpg

Here is the start:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0010.jpg

So we must try to get a diplomatic win with a lot of war. Sounds like fun!


I will be posting my reports as I play this game.

This is bts + 3.13 patch + bhruic's Unofficial 3.13 patch

4000BC - 2575BC

first the tech order mining > BW > wheel > agriculture > Polytheism

4000 BC I settled in place and name the city Matthew City and started to work on a worker.

3900 BC found my nerst niebor Pacal II

3825 BC YES!!!!!!!! a goody hut gave me AH :woohoo:

3775 BC said hi to the to the incan dude

3650 BC then found Sitting Bull

3525 BC :woohoo: the gods love monty! I got masonry from a goody hut!!!

3100 BC all axmen get a shock!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0012.jpg

2725 BC It's nice to know I'm the most advanced!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0014.jpg

2575 BC I settled Tenochtitlan here it is not a very good food spot but it has stone and copper!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0015.jpg




That is where I saved I need some advice.

One of the things I need to know is what religion should I found?

I would go for Taoism. You have stone, so I'd chop the Pyramids, later I would build the Great Library. The first Great Scientist I would burn into Philosophy.

I like this RPC, but I'd rethink the grades for victories, because they're kind of ridiculous with vassals on :).

Basically all you'd have to do is get close to domination, spread your religion minimally to enemies, and let your vassals vote you a win. The main constraint, therefore, between an A and a D is building the AP (or getting an AI with your religion to make it for you, then taking it). You have to take it if someone else builds it regardless though, since you have to win by founding a religion, and use that one (and the enemy AP must be razed). So, this is a rush to AP with some warmongering as I see it, though other ways are surely possible :p.

I'd strongly recommend either a prophet bulbing theology or even using the oracle on it (the prophet from the oracle could then make the shrine ASAP, a very strong wealth city given how you're likely to play this). This makes Christianity the preferred religion in this RPC, IMO.

Very interesting that courthouses can't go in cities without the religion, that makes intercontinental wars very interesting, and we have a continents game on our hands =P. Using caravels to shuttle missionaries over might be useful, although realistically unless your continent is founding all the religions (it happens when you get a tech whore, or hatty with gold), you'll probably have angry heathen civs over there. OR is going to be a favored civic in the event that the enemy founds religions over there to the extent that you HAVE to go over oceans just to get the required holy city razings. Take a city, spread religion, then quickly pump out missionaries there so you can afford cities at all :lol:. I guess you could just get huge on your own continent and raze people into capitulation too though.

I might pick this up after all my projects are in this week (like, thursday evening/friday morning :(). It looks interesting, though i'm trying to run emperor games too, I do so love these RPC's if I can win them :lol:.

I like this RPC, but I'd rethink the grades for victories, because they're kind of ridiculous with vassals on :).

Basically all you'd have to do is get close to domination, spread your religion minimally to enemies, and let your vassals vote you a win. The main constraint, therefore, between an A and a D is building the AP (or getting an AI with your religion to make it for you, then taking it). You have to take it if someone else builds it regardless though, since you have to win by founding a religion, and use that one (and the enemy AP must be razed). So, this is a rush to AP with some warmongering as I see it, though other ways are surely possible :p.

oh thanks, I totally forgot to add this rule:

5. Monty can not take vassals , vassals are left on only for the AIs

I'd strongly recommend either a prophet bulbing theology or even using the oracle on it (the prophet from the oracle could then make the shrine ASAP, a very strong wealth city given how you're likely to play this). This makes Christianity the preferred religion in this RPC, IMO.

I was thinking Christianity was a good choice but I can only found 1 religion so I have to wait for a AI to found confucianism before I can get COL and and get the Sacrificial altars running which may be hard.

I'm thinking I will found christianity then tech till I have one turn to get COL than wait for a AI to found confucianism before finishing COL.

Very interesting that courthouses can't go in cities without the religion, that makes intercontinental wars very interesting, and we have a continents game on our hands =P. Using caravels to shuttle missionaries over might be useful, although realistically unless your continent is founding all the religions (it happens when you get a tech whore, or hatty with gold), you'll probably have angry heathen civs over there. OR is going to be a favored civic in the event that the enemy founds religions over there to the extent that you HAVE to go over oceans just to get the required holy city razings. Take a city, spread religion, then quickly pump out missionaries there so you can afford cities at all :lol:. I guess you could just get huge on your own continent and raze people into capitulation too though.

I will try to make sure I don't have to but I may have to break rule 4 or 5 because of the overseas cost.

I'm going to play the next segment letter today and post it here. Thanks for the comments and help keep them coming!!!

2575BC - 675BC

the tech order: finished Polytheism > priesthood > writing > monotheism > pottery > part of IW

2025 BC I finished priesthood and stated work on the oracle and start chopping trees down. I decided to next tech writing then monotheism and if I finished both techs by the time finished the oracle I would found Christianity if not I would found Confucianism

1825 BC Judaism was founded in a distant land. Not one religion so far has been founded on my continent. looks like I will have to go over seas to raze the three holy cities :undecide:

1600 BC the oracle done

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0018.jpg

and I founded the Confucianism! then I converted to Confucianism

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0020.jpg

It was 11 turns to monotheism so I did not want to risk losing the oracle trying to get Christianity. Now the plan is to get a prophet and bulb theology as soon as Christianity has been founded.

1575 BC Open Borders with HC

1475 BC Open Borders with pacal II and Toynbee's greatest work

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0021.jpg

1400 BC here is the next city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0022.jpg

Here is the first question. Does this look like a good GP farm or Should take Mutal and make it my GP farm? it looks like a good city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0023.jpg

1350 BC HC converts to Confucianism!!!

1325 BC I switch to OR

1150 BC Sitting Bull came to me with this and I accepted

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0025.jpg

1000 BC I got this :mad:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0026.jpg

675 BC I got my prophet.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0027.jpg

here is where I saved

so I got a few questions

1. I have 8 turns to IW and I must tech meditation before I can bulb theology. should I switch to meditation right away or finish IW first? remember I have to wait for Christianity to be founded before I can get theology

2. where should my GP farm be?

3. I'm thinking I am going to war with pacal II first. I have 7 axmen should I start the war now or wait?

Here is the power graph

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0028.jpg

Pacal can be a VERY annoying REXer. I vote for taking him out of the picture as quickly as possible!

Did you choose the other AI's? I mean all the american civs are there!

Pacal can be a VERY annoying REXer. I vote for taking him out of the picture as quickly as possible!

I think you are right he needs to die


Did you choose the other AI's? I mean all the american civs are there!
I did choose the american AI's. I used WB to change the starting Position so the american AI's are on my continent to make the game more interesting. This game is suppose to be fun so I really hope no one thinks this is cheating, I edited nothing else in WB.

so I really hope no one thinks this is cheating, I edited nothing else in WB.

I wasn't implying that.

Have fun with the game!

675BC - 130AD

This was a fun and eventful round! I have not played as Monty before but WOW the Sacrificial altars are great! IMO this could be the best UB in the game!

the tech order in this round: finished IW > Meditation > Mathematics > part of Monarchy

525 BC I signed a Open Borders treaty with Sitting Bull

485BC finished IW and found Iron!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0016.jpg

335BC I had started whipping axmen getting ready for a war with pacal and I didn't have to worry too much about :mad: because of the Sacrificial altars! I whipped enough I became to 2nd most powerful according to St. Augustine.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0017.jpg

320 BC Monty has been waiting for this moment! we get to see what pacal's head looks like on a pole!!! Here is the my army:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0029.jpg

10 axmen and 2 jaguars

290BC Uxmal razed :mwaha: I did not lose even 1 unit when taking this city. (I forgot the screen shot)

260BC I took Mutal and am going to keep this city. I also did not lose any units when taking Mutal!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0030.jpg

245BC I only had 1 axeman guarding Mutal so the next turn pacal took the city back

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0031.jpg

No worries same turn I took it again

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0032.jpg

185BC Christianity founded so I bulb the GProphet to get theology

170BC started work on the AP and started chopping like crazy.

95 BC A GG was born and Chichen Itza was BURNED TO THE GROUND!!! :evil:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0033.jpg

35BC Look at this super healing unit! Heals unit in same tile extra 40% per turn :eek:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0037.jpg

20BC Mayapan razed (again I forgot the screen shot)

55AD Calakmul razed!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0038.jpg

115AD Lakamha taken and I keep this city (again I forgot the screen shot :( )

The Maya civ destroyed!!! this makes Monty really, really, really happy :woohoo: the only thing that could make him happier is if he had the AP.

130AD After almost 300 years the AP is done!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0040.jpg

That is where I saved.

Relations:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0041.jpg

Power:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0039.jpg

Looks like I need to rebuild my military after that war.

I can't decided who to declare war on next.

War with HC

pros: his UU is out outdated and he is not protective

cons: he is pleased with me so I might be able to get him to vote for me and he is more powerful then Sitting Bull

War with Sitting Bull

pros: he is weaker then HC, he is cautious and does not have my religion

cons: he is protective and has the totem pole so he has super archers!!!

so after rebuild my military who do I declare war on next HC or Sitting Bull?

Where are you techwise? do you have contruction? I if so, I'd start making loads of cats and swords to take over HC. The diff in power between the two is marginal and HC is closer...
But what would you win with a war? Is HC's land really better than Pacal's?

Looking at your victory grades, I'd say diplomacy is quite important (AP/Un being priority), so you might not want to annoy your neighbours too much right now.

My advise would be settling Pacal's land quickly (I'd have kept more of his cities) to get more population=more votes.

But what would you win with a war? Is HC's land really better than Pacal's?

Looking at your victory grades, I'd say diplomacy is quite important (AP/Un being priority), so you might not want to annoy your neighbours too much right now.


After thinking about it, your right, I think I need friends if I’m going to win by AP/UN. I Probably will not start another war until I have found the AIs with heathen religions on the other continents. also if I wait and decide to kill sitting bull latter his UB will be outdated!

lol as you can tell I play like a warlord and find diplomatic Victories hard so thanks for the help I need it.


My advise would be settling Pacal's land quickly (I'd have kept more of his cities) to get more population=more votes.
I think I should have kept more cities but I was worried about my economy, it's not doing good. I probably will be settling the land in the next segment.

I think it's time for some REXing in Pacal's lands. Afterwards, I would get ready to take out Huayna Capac. That way you'll have a massive empire :D

130AD - 1010AD

This round was interesting! I did a lot of REXing in this round and I stayed out of war in this round. For the next round the question is go to war or not go to war.

The tech in this round: finish monarchy > sailing >currency > MC > machinery > for next round civil service

130AD Monty voted himself into the AP!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0042.jpg

250AD switch to HR

265AD first on this turn Sitting Bull taught Monty his ABC’s :lol: and about archery for in exchange of the knowledge of COL

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0043.jpg

I asked HC nicely for fishing and he gave it to me!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0044.jpg

and here is our next city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0045.jpg

400AD got a prophet!

415AD Sitting Bull voted for me!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0048.jpg

and I built the Kong Miao which really helped my economy!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0049.jpg

475AD next city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0050.jpg

490AD another city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0051.jpg

565AD made a trade with Sitting Bull calendar and 20 gold for currency (forgot screen shot)

640AD and yet another city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0052.jpg

760AD and the last city of this round

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0054.jpg

130AD - 1010AD Continued

860AD I forgot the screen shot but HC really likes me because I had researched half of construction then asked for HC to give it to me and he accepted!!! :woohoo:
I asked Sitting Bull for wine and he gave it to me

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0055.jpg

950AD Hmm now this is where the game gets very interesting Sitting Bull stopped voting for me :mad: and this vote was close only 2 more vote I would have lost the AP to HC.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0056.jpg

970AD to make things more interesting Taoism was founded in poverty point the first religion to be founded on my continent :mischief:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0057.jpg

990AD HC declared war on Sitting Bull?!?!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0061.jpg

1010AD This is where I saved

The world:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0058.jpg

Techs:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0060.jpg

Sitting Bull does not have MC yet that’s good!

Power:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0059.jpg

I am weak at the monument but with the sacrificial altars I can change that quickly! BTW how accurate is the power graph? I have won numerous won with a lower power then my enemy according to the power graph.

Sitting Bull has the only holy city on my continent and Monty thinks it needs razed. I now have cats so killing Sitting Bull’s longbow men will be no problem.

So what does every one think should I join the war and declared war on Sitting Bull? should I war with HC? or should I remain natural and try to pass a AP vote to stop the war?

To war or not to war that is the question.

power graph isn't just your military, it does take into account other things. the reason why a low power civ can take on a high power civ is that the total power of your empire doesn't matter really, what matters is the power you bring to a point. If you outgun his defenders at every city, it doesn't matter that he has a thousand more cities than you do.

Looks like its time to dogpile on sitting bull, he's going to spread his own religion now anyway and monty can't have that!:lol:

1010AD - 1255AD

This is not a very long round I have been busy and I only could play a few turns yesterday and then a few turn today.

Techs: civil service > compass > part of optics

1040AD Sitting bull asked me to go to war with HC I told him I would not do that and now he is cautious.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0062.jpg

Just after this HC takes Poverty Point the Holy city of Taoism. I was thinking maybe I should have joined Sitting Bull in the war and raze that city.

1060AD I’m the Largest civilization!!! :woohoo:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0063.jpg

1130AD Sitting Bull takes Poverty Point Back from HC! Hmm I was going to war with HC because he had the Poverty Point but Sitting Bull was stupid enough to take the city back so now I plan to kill Sitting Bull. HC and Sitting Bull made peace just after Poverty Point was taken Back.

1180AD switch to Bureaucracy

1220AD I got his event so I spent the 64 gold to rebuild it

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0064.jpg

1240AD Monty just noticed we have this big stack on the edge of Sitting Bull’s land...

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0065.jpg

So Monty thinks about it. He has a big stack and he does not want Sitting Bull to spread his religion :hmm: .

big stack + holy city = WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0067.jpg

1255AD OUCH! As our stack walked to Poverty Point his horse archers inflicted a lot of damaged to our cats but it didn’t really matter we razed Poverty Point and stopped Taoism anyways!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0068.jpg

That’s 1 of 3 holy cities we need to raze! So far the game seems to be going good hopefully we can get the votes we need to win a AP/UN.

HC has a “-1 you declared war on our friend” I’m like “-1 If he is really your friend why did you declare war on him back in 990AD?” It’s not a big deal because he is sill friendly but it is annoying.

BTW I noticed there has not been very many comments but I really appreciate the comments and help that I have received so far! So please keep the comments coming!

I save here Like I said it was a short round.

1255AD - 1395AD

Montezuma looks out across the huge ocean, ever since he was a little boy he always wanted to know what was out there. Could there be other lands? Could there be other nations to conquer? Could there be a religious zealot that needs to die?

Ok we will get to that soon but first the Sitting Bull War.

1290AD so I have a lot of EPs on Sitting Bull so I support a city revolt, taking the city was so easy! I love espionage!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0072.jpg

At last we have researched optics

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0073.jpg

1330AD We take Mesa Verde and keep the city. I was going to go after Nacogdoches but Sitting Bull moved a huge stack in that city as I marched towards it.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0074.jpg

1340AD here is our ship before it departs to find new lands

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0076.jpg

and we get the classic literature quest…

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0075.jpg

1345AD next turn we complete the quest. Wow that was easy

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0077.jpg

1350AD HC asked for compass so we give it to him to make him happy.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0078.jpg

1360AD I support a city revolt then raze this city (I didn’t like the fact it was on top of the horses)

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0079.jpg

1370AD we meet Elizabeth who is a Jew and we sign a open borders. I made a trade with her for philosophy but I can’t remember what I gave her for it and I forgot the screenshot.

1375AD We find this religious zealot Monty wants to kill her!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0080.jpg

1385AD capture this city and keep it

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0081.jpg

I needed a break from the war so I made temporary peace

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0082.jpg

1255AD - 1395AD Continued

1395AD I meet Louis XIV, he is a Hindu. I have not played very many games with him. Is he peaceful? I hope so.

We signed a open borders with him then made this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0083.jpg

Next we found this city next to the ruins of Nacogdoches

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0084.jpg

That is where I saved

Cities:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0085.jpg

Victories:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0088.jpg

The world:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0087.jpg

And techs:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0086.jpg

So does it look like I can win the liberalism race and then get astronomy from it?

Isabella is Louis XIV vassal. So do I need to spread my religion to Isabella to win a AP or just to Louis XIV because he is her master?

I usually play on a Pangaea map so I don’t have much experience in over seas war so I would appreciate some tip because I have to do some wars over seas to raze my other 2 holy cities.

Is any one still interested in this RPC or should I discontinue it?

Finish the game. My experience is my early RPC games were not as followed that much but they grew more popular as time went on.

I respond infrequently by try to follow them, as you are aware posting a game takes a certian amount of time and I generally play a segment everyday.

Regarding your game.

1) AS I understand, All Ais need to have the state religion. Also my guess is ISabella is in theocracy, so you know what that means :trouble:
2) Take nationalism and build the Taj for the free GA, follow it up with another GA if you have a GP available.
3) Finish off SB. First things first.
4) Beeline astronomy/chemistry and send privateers to blockade Louis and Isabella
weakening them.
5) Tech towards rifling.
6) Spread your religion to Liz/Louis/Isabella, but only one city i fpossible. Gift a caravel with a missionary if needed.

Question: Are you planning to keep HC alive, or are you going to clear off the continent first? My guess is if you do you may come close to domination before burning the heathen lands.

Intercontinetal warfare
Can come two times as I see it here.

A) Drafted/whipped rifles and cavalry with heavy collateral support. Since you have the AP, I think you need to raze the Hindu and Judaist cities. If they are coastal and you have naval superiority then I suggest you bring ALOT of seige engines, attack from the galleons to damage the defender, and take and raze the cities from the ships. You may land the force IF there is a forrest nearby.

B) Tech through industrialism and bring ALOT of artillery or cannons and a good mic of marines and tanks. USe the marines for amphibious attacks after reducing the defenses with battleship barrages. Use you tanks as attack forces for internal cities if you need.

You are far ahead in tech, or will be after liberalism. Consolidate the main continent, then attack the other from a position of power.

Good Luck.

Finish it, I've been reading but not responding :)

Great! thanks I didn't think any one was following this RPC so I will definitely Finish it.

I had not thought of grabing nationalism but that is a very good idea!

as far as HC goes I have no plans on killing him, right now he is a hindrance, but if voting for himself was not a option I think he would vote for me. so if I do not think a AP is possible he would be a invaluable friend once the UN is built.

I think first thing next round is to get a map to see the size of Isabella, where the holy cities are ect.

I think I will try to play and post the next round latter today.

1395AD - 1510AD

techs: education > part of liberalism

1395AD Very good!!! I got a map!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0089.jpg

1400AD :hmm: Isabella only controls one city look like she will be easy to take out :trouble:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0090.jpg

Look at that! Madrid is a double holy City that means if I raze that I have razed all three holy cities and not only that but it is the only holy city on the coast.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0091.jpg

Here is Germany the AI we have not meet. Latter we find out the leader is Frederick

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0092.jpg

We make this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0093.jpg

And this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0094.jpg

And we get a prophet which we start a GA.

1405AD Monty was happy to see this!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0095.jpg

1430AD LOL!!! A demand from a one city civ?? Monty really wants to kill her!
We told her to go away.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0096.jpg

1440AD we discovered that the world was round.

1445AD we meet Frederick.

1450AD unfortunately our GA is over. We signed a Open Borders with Fred and spread Confucianism to Liz

1455AD we built the University of Sankore the first wonder we built that uses stone.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0097.jpg

We spread Confucianism to Fred

1495AD Islam founded in Orleans and We spread Confucianism to Louis.

1505AD Louis declared war on Liz

1510AD This is where I saved. First thing next turn we start the war with SB again. Here is the stack we are going to go after SB with

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0098.jpg

Religion:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0099.jpg

well all civs have my except Isabella but that's no problem because Monty will not be happy until she is gone.

We have to go to war with Louis because all the holy cities besides our holy city is in France so we will take out Isabella when we do that.

I think, after we raze Madrid and destroy Isabella, if I can get HC to switch to FR a AP will be easy because he will than only be a voting member. I will have to think about this.

:D Can't wait until the next war!

Here's a few recommendations I have for you:


War with Sitting Bull, but don't take forever. If you can't take out Sitting Bull ASAP, it's probably better to vassal him so he can vote for you and you can focus on razing Madrid.
Unlike what you mentioned, Louis XIV is quite aggressive and the fact that he's a creative AI means he will expand much faster, and research quicker, and so on. He also tends to have a large army -- thus my suggestion to not take too long warring against Sitting Bull (who with his totem-enhanced archers is a REAL pain to take on).
Spread Confucianism to every AI, but only minimally, which I think you're doing, so that's good.
Lastly, good luck! :D

:D Can't wait until the next war!

Here's a few recommendations I have for you:


War with Sitting Bull, but don't take forever. If you can't take out Sitting Bull ASAP, it's probably better to vassal him so he can vote for you and you can focus on razing Madrid.
Unlike what you mentioned, Louis XIV is quite aggressive and the fact that he's a creative AI means he will expand much faster, and research quicker, and so on. He also tends to have a large army -- thus my suggestion to not take too long warring against Sitting Bull (who with his totem-enhanced archers is a REAL pain to take on).
Spread Confucianism to every AI, but only minimally, which I think you're doing, so that's good.
Lastly, good luck! :D



Thanks for the tips! I think I will try to keep the SB war as short a possible but I can not take him as a vassal because that is against the rules to take vassals. SB only has 5-6 cities so it will be easy to keep it short.

I think Louis has a big army so I will try to keep the war with him short, just long enough to raze madrid and take Isabella's only city.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the vassal rule. :)

1510AD - 1590AD

I was hoping the SB war was going to be quick and I would get to finish off SB but the war didn’t go as hoped.

Techs: liberalism > part of gunpowder

1510AD WAR!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0100.jpg

1515AD this is the city screen just after we start the war. We have a lot of :mad: Monty knows how to stop unhappy citizens :whipped:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0102.jpg

Louis asked us to go to war and we said no

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0101.jpg

1520Ad Isabella asked us to go to war and said no

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0103.jpg

1525AD we take Chaco Canyon and keep the city.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0104.jpg

1530AD Liz ask me to go to war I thought about saying no but I will have to make Louis mad sooner or latter, So why not war with Louis and then make peace again as soon as I can just to make Liz happy. We say yes and declare war on Louis

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0105.jpg

1535AD This is where the war with SB stated to go bad. He takes Mesa Verda :mad:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0106.jpg

1550AD a few turns latter we take the city back but my power has dropped (I hate his archers!!!)

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0107.jpg

1555AD We make this trade. Drama really helps with the happiness!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0113.jpg

1560AD SWEET!!! I got this great event! I take the merchant.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0108.jpg

1565AD we make peace

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0109.jpg

1570AD we win the Liberalism race! I thought about it for a few seconds thinking should I take nationalism or astronomy. I decided to take nationalism and try to get the Taj Mahal.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0110.jpg

We make this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0112.jpg

1580AD we take Etowah

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0114.jpg

1590AD I didn’t want to do this but I had to.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0115.jpg

He would have taken Chaco Canyon if I did not make peace. My military is very weak so I need to rebuild in the ten turns of peace then I will declare war again. As I said the war didn’t go as planed but we came out 2 cities ahead anyways.

1595AD - 1738AD

tech: gunpowder > printing press > replaceable parts (Finished in a trade) > Part of rifling

1595AD first in this round Fred asks for theology and I give it to him

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0116.jpg

1600AD we get a GE!!!

1615AD we use the GE to rush the Taj

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0117.jpg

1620AD we make this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0118.jpg

1655AD we are the 3rd most powerful

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0119.jpg

1660AD It’s time to finish the SB war

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0120.jpg

Just after I started the war I thought my economy was looking bad but…

1665AD next turn my GA is over :cry:

1680AD we take SB capital city!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0121.jpg

1690AD Liz ask nicely for help so I give it to her

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0122.jpg

Isabella did not ask nicely so I told her to go away

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0123.jpg

1704AD we take this city and raze it

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0124.jpg

1706AD we do this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0125.jpg

1708AD :mad: a Incan revolt in Etowah so we start building cultural in that city

1714AD I took another city and kept it (I forgot the screen shot)

1716AD HC asked me to cancel deals with Fred. I didn’t want to but I need to keep HC happy so I accepted

1724AD we raze this city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0126.jpg

1734AD I was very unhappy to see that we lose the AP!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0127.jpg

1738AD Here is where I saved. We take Mound City

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0128.jpg

City screen:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0129.jpg

Wow that is a lot of unhappiness.

So here is the big question:

Do I break a rule and vassal sitting bull?

SB only has one city left but it may take 5-10 turns before I can get my stack over there to take it.
My economy hanging by a thread, I’m at 10% science and I think if I let the war go on much longer I’m going to be hurting myself. The whole point of the no vassal rule was to stop a poor mans domination by UN/AP but I don’t think his one city is going to make that much difference.

If he has only a city left it's not worth breaking a rule. Finish him. Otherwise you may feel like you've cheated at the end of the game, and that would spoil your victory.

Getting rid of the "We yearn to join our motherland" unhappiness alone is worth it. And you don't want the diplo hit from having a vassal I guess. :)

What's the deal with increments of 5% in your research slider?

If he has only a city left it's not worth breaking a rule. Finish him. Otherwise you may feel like you've cheated at the end of the game, and that would spoil your victory.

Getting rid of the "We yearn to join our motherland" unhappiness alone is worth it. And you don't want the diplo hit from having a vassal I guess. :)

good point! I had forgot about the diplo hit so I don't think it is worth it for a 1 city vassal.

What's the deal with increments of 5% in your research slider?

I mod the game so I have 5% increments. I forgot to turn it back to 10% when doing to online game.

Good game but your research rate in beakers per turn is atrocious for 1738AD. And your cities are tiny in size; your holy city is size 4 :eek:.. you must have whipped too much. I think you should beeline communism and adopt state property while cottaging as soon as your cities grow a bit.. Maybe when your army comes back to your territory, you'll be bleeding less gold. Your city maintenance must be high too.

Anyways, could you post the tech advisor, financial advisor and the power graph?!?

Communism should indeed be a priority. Killing the distance maintenance cost can be huge with a large empire. Finish Bull (he's a non-factor by now anyway), then look for a way to bring Louis down.

What is exactly the diplomatic situation right now? Is there a possibility of bribing someone into war against Louis and cause a dogpile?

State property is a must! I also think I’m going to need police state seeing that Louis has the SOZ.

I agree with around 110-130 beakers per turn in 1738AD is horrible! Hopefully I can regain a good economy after the SB war.

Here are the advisor screens:

Power:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0132.jpg

Diplomatic:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0134.jpg

Tech:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0135.jpg

Financial:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0136.jpg

Thanks for the help! I will probably play and post the next segment latter today.

1738AD - 1784AD

In this round my economy got so bad I was losing money at 0% science but I was able to save my economy and now things are doing good.

Tech: rifling > Communism

1738AD I got a GG

1740AD Gold was discovered near Matthew City!!!

1742AD HC declares war on Liz

1744AD we make this trade for a needed tech

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0137.jpg

1750AD We make peace with SB :lol: we take his last city and now SB is no more.
Notice at this point I’m at 0% science and losing 23 gold per turn :eek: true I have 20% in culture but there is so much :mad: but I lose more money by putting nothing into culture.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0139.jpg

Fred declares war on Louis

1752AD we adopt free market.

things are looking better!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0140.jpg

We get HC to make peace, sure it’s a high price but I didn’t want the diplo hits from not joining the war upon them asking me to.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0141.jpg

I noticed HC was pleased so I gave him a gift of 125 gold to make him friendly.

We give Liz bananas for pork

1754AD there was no way I was going to join the war

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0144.jpg

We then give Fred wine for sugar

1760AD I thought about telling him to go away but I gave in to him

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0146.jpg

I forgot the screen shot but we gave HC for rifling for SM and 110 gold I could have gotten a better from Louis but I didn’t want to give him rifling.

1766AD Liz went to war with Fred

I got a DP with HC

1768AD a GA was born!!!

1770AD I was afraid this city was going to flip to HC so I had my GA do a great work in the city to prevent it from flipping.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0147.jpg

1780AD strange things start to happen. First Isabella broke free from Louis. Then Fred capitulated to Louis.

1782AD we are the largest civilization!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0148.jpg

Isabella became a vassal of Liz :confused:

1784AD this is where I save.

My economy has improved a lot! This turn I finished Communism and adopted state property.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0150.jpg

Financial:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0151.jpg

Diplo:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0152.jpg

So where do I go from here? Should I try to get sushi? Any advice?

i'm following it but i am a noob so i don't have much expierence

1784AD - 1834AD

Tech: chemistry > steel > corporation > steam power > Part of assembly line

1790AD we sign a Open Borders with Louis

1796AD I’m back in the AP!!!

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0154.jpg

1802AD we make this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0155.jpg

Just after that we switch to representation

1808AD Louis declared war on Liz

1810AD Fred wants me to go to war with Liz and I tell him no

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0156.jpg

1816AD HC canceled our DP because he declared war on Liz then asked for chemistry so I gave it to him/

1818AD we make this trade

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0157.jpg

1824AD I stopped the war between HC and Liz via AP

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0158.jpg

1826AD This is where the game gets interesting Isabella breaks free and is now a free state. You Know what that means :trouble:

1832AD Isabella makes a foolish demand.

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0159.jpg

Liz becomes a vassal of Louis

1834AD My ships where close to Isabella’s border so I thought it was now or never. So we declare war on Isabella

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0160.jpg

Same turn we take and raze her only city

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0161.jpg

Here is the victory screen:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0162.jpg

And the diplo screen:

http://www.swirlheaddude.com/Civ4ScreenShot0163.jpg

I have enough near Madrid to take a raze the city but as you can see I will have to declare war on Liz, Fred, and Louis. I have to raze that city but if I war with all three of them I will have a very, very small chance of getting a diplo win. I can wait in hope one of his vassals will break free but I don’t think that will happen either. So what should I do??? Should I just raze Madrid now and try for a space race? Or do you think a diplo is still possible?

Wow! Louis is a powerhouse. I think he might be trying for domination so I'd build up a defensive army and fleet and go for space. If he attacks Huayna, you've gotta protect him; you don't want Huayna becoming his vassal too and Louis ferrying his army over to your continent. Could you post the power graph and the tech status?

Liz hates Louis but doesn't have a chance to break free, and Freddy probably won't. Even if he does, he'll still be friendly towards Louis and you'll have the diplo hit for declaring war on Louis when you will. Huayna Capac is friendly towards Louis and only pleased towards you, so a diplo victory seems out of reach.

I'd advise to finish Assembly Line, research Democracy because the lack of Emancipation begins to cripple you, and then aim for a space victory. I wouldn't declare war on Louis right now to avoid being hated by everyone, but it's up to you. All the holy cities are French so you'll have to attack Louis sooner or later, but I'd wait until my spaceship is launched and then raze Madrid. It's coastal so you'll be able to raze it whatever Louis does.

You're falling backwards in techs too, so I think you should develop your empire back home before starting a war. Give a go at the Internet and beeline all the space ship techs, forget the dead-end ones like Military tradition or Flight for now.

Your power is half Huayna Capac's one, I'd watch him if I were you. He's Louis' friend, not yours. I'd watch carefully which techs I trade with him.

I don't know how far Louis already is on the tech tree, but you might be in trouble if Louis gets to Mass Media, builds the UN, and votes himself to a diplo victory. Huayna is friendly with him so will vote for Louis, and IIRC vassals have to vote along with the master.

Space might be possible if you beeline straight towards the Internet and backfill techs from Huayna/Louis with it. While beelining straight to Computers, you need to prepare for war against Louis - if you don't declare, I think he'll likely declare war himself. The beeline towards Computers is not a problem for handling war preparations: Industrialism and Combustion are on the way so you can build forces to bring the war to his lands if need be - or to bring his population down, if he is likely to win a diplo victory.

Since Louis' forces are stronger than yours, you'll likely be wiped out in a land war. An amphibious tactic might be better suited for this - build a large stack of marines with support ships (transports, destroyers, battleships), artillery if need be and raze every coastal city he has. If that isn't enough, you can even raze the cities of his vassals. That way he can't win by diplo and his economy will hopefully be wrecked enough to prevent him from winning the space race.

Whichever way you want to win, you need to prepare for war for Louis.

1834AD - 1891AD

To start with I was afraid that if Louis built the UN and HC and all his vassals voted for Louis he would win so in this round I was able the hurt HC relation with Louis. Even if I don’t win via diplo I don’t want to lose a diplo to Louis.

I took the advice not to war and take Madrid immediately and it was a good thing as you will read latter on.

Tech: assembly line > biology > physics > railroad > artillery > rocketry > electricity > part of industrialism

1834AD we make this trade with Liz

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0164-1.jpg

soon after this trade I switch to emancipation

1846AD My chances of winning a AP dose not look good I’m the only one who voted for me.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0165.jpg

1859AD I got a GS and used him for a academy in Teotihuacán

1861AD I’m the wealthiest civilization in the world

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0167.jpg

1862AD I accepted this demand just to keep peace

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0168.jpg

1868AD we make this trade

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0170.jpg

1875AD Louis and all his vassals declares war on me :mad: he first attacked Mound City but his attack was repelled

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0172.jpg

1876AD because Louis declared war on me I took the opportunity to raze Madrid! I now have razed all 3 holy cities!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0173.jpg

I made this trade to hopefully hurt his relations with Louis

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0174.jpg

1883AD I got a GM!

1884AD HC asked for rocketry. I didn’t want to give it to him and I thought about say no but I gave the tech to him which vastly improved our relations. (I forgot the screen shot)

1885AD I used the GM for a trade mission in Machu Picchu and got 3150 :gold:!!!

1886AD it was a high price but we make peace with Louis

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0177.jpg

1889AD This improved our relations with HC

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0178.jpg

I sign a DP with HC

1891AD I give HC sheep for hit musicals. And here is where I saved.

Here is the relations as you can see HC is no longer best friends with Louis which gives us a better chance on winning

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0180.jpg

And here is the tech right now I am behind in tech

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0181.jpg

I looks like we are close to the end of the game hopefully I can get a space race. I’m not sure if I can win but what ever happens this has been a fun Game!

You seem to be on your way to Computers, I'd avise beelining to it and get the Internet to fill the gaps. Try to get a defensive pact with HC and cruise your way to a Space Race victory. :)

HC is now more friendly to you than to Louis, so the threat of a French diplo victory is gone. Keep it that way if you can.

You seem to be on your way to Computers, I'd avise beelining to it and get the Internet to fill the gaps. Try to get a defensive pact with HC and cruise your way to a Space Race victory. :)

HC is now more friendly to you than to Louis, so the threat of a French diplo victory is gone. Keep it that way if you can.


I already have defensive pact with HC so if Louis declares war again I'm sure he will be friends with me instead of Louis. First thing next round I'm going to try to get the internet. Things are looking good and I think I have a good chance at winning this game.

1891AD - Jan, 1965AD

This is the final Round!

Tech: Industrialism > combustion > plastics > radio > computers > medicine > superconductors > genetics > composites > ecology > mass media > fiber optics > fusion > stealth > future tech 1 & 2

1900AD we get this event and get 2894 :science: towards medicine

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0183.jpg

1901AD we complete the Apollo program!!!

1906AD I got a GE and I settle him in Matthew City

1908AD open borders with Liz

1922AD I really didn’t have any thing else to build so I built the Cristo Redentor

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0188.jpg

1928AD I accepted this demand

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0189.jpg

I was building the Eiffel Tower but HC got it 1 turn before I did but I got 1780 :gold:

1930AD got a GM and settled him in Tenochtitlan

1935AD Liz finished the Apollo program

1936AD I finished the internet!!! I got fascism, flight and military science from the internet

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0190.jpg

Now that the internet is done I make this trade

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0191.jpg

1938AD YES! we get this event which we pay to make better friends

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0192.jpg

1939AD HC finish the Apollo program

July, 1941AD finally all the time and effort in making HC our friend pays off! We make a PA!!!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0193.jpg

Jan, 1942AD HC gives me hit singles!!!

Jan, 1944AD Fred finished the Apollo Program

Jan, 1951AD HC finished the UN

July, 1952AD here are the votes

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0196.jpg

July, 1953AD HC gives me Hit Movies

July, 1957AD our spaceship is finished! We launch it!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0199.jpg

1891AD - Jan, 1965AD continued

July, 1960AD well I tried for a UN diplo. It was close but there was not enough votes.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0200.jpg

July, 1964AD here are some screen shot 1 turn before victory

Victory screen:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0201.jpg

Financial:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0202.jpg

And most importantly the religion advisor.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0214.jpg

Jan, 1965AD at last we see Alpha Centauri!

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0207.jpg

Here is the score

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0213.jpg

Monty may not have won a AP or a UN but I think he proved he is a great religious leader! Over half of the world is Confucianism and the Taoism, Judaism and Buddhism holy cities have been razed! Thought out most of the game he was in the AP!

But wait!!!

He did win a diplomatic Victory!!! As soon as the spaceship landed on Alpha Centauri he held a vote of who should be the religious leader and everyone on Alpha Centauri voted for him!!!!!! :woohoo:

Montezuma is the religious leader of Alpha Centauri !!! :D

There are addition screen shots in the spoiler


http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0215.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0208.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0209.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0210.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0211.jpg

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm276/matthewthegreat/Civ4ScreenShot0212.jpg

Recap:
1. The number one reason we won was the fact we were able to get HC to dislike Louis and become our best friend. Giving HC rocketry was hard to do but that is part of the reason we won.
2. Timing was very important in this game! The time I destroyed Isabella was the perfect time to do so. Also when I razed Madrid was good too because I didn’t have to declare that war and get the “you declared war on a friend” diplo hit
3. I think Confucianism was the best religion to found. It was good to get the Sacrificial altars running early. I didn’t think to start with the rule that he may only found one religion we going to be much of a challenge but I could have gotten the AP a long time before I did if it wasn’t for that rule
4. I think the biggest mistake was not to get the Pyramids, police state would have been very nice!
5. The main reason we didn’t win a diplomatic was the fact Louis was too big and had too many votes.
Another reason we didn’t get a diplo is that only one holy city was on my continent and declaring war on the other continent is not the best way to make friends

About future RPCs

I will most likely have more RPCs but not very often maybe one every few months. Although I have a idea for my next RPC so I will post that in a few days.

I hope everyone enjoyed this RPC as much as I did!

Congrats on teh win, nicely played!!!!

Agreed, nicely played!

BTW, I just installed :bts: today, so I'll have to check out that Permanent Alliance thing should the opportunity arise.