hi guys, i'm starting my first PBEM (Play by Email) game. i'm looking for some people to join me. if you would like to play please reply to this post stating which leader you would like and your email address. Thank you very much.


Shifty: Montezuma (Aztec) GMT - 5

Burlicconi: Hayana Capac (Inca) GMT + 1

Atillathewin: Bismarck (Germany) GMT - 4

Unkle: Tokugawa (Japan) GMT + 2

Shogu: Justinian I (Byzanty) GMT + 1

Slaze: Victoria (England) GMT - 8

**Edit**

ok to clear things up a little these are the rules we have picked already (or are leaning to)

# players: i'm thinking we will go with a total of 8 (players or AI)
game speed: quick
map: fractal
barbs: on (normal)
Tech trading: ???
vassa lstates:??? (what do you guys think?)
Turns per day: we are shooting for at leaste 1 turn a day from all players.

Any details about a game ?

Max players ,Speed, Map, Rules ?

Any details about a game ?

Max players ,Speed, Map, Rules ?

Yeah, you must say something more directly about this details if you want to start good PBEM game...

ok, sorry about that i made that post very late at night.

it will be an 8 player game. with normal speed. the map will be Continents. as far as rules, when we get some players we can pick the rules. i don't want to be the only one that picks that. anyways if anyone is willing to join my game please reply with a leader and your email address.

Thanks.

You can count me in as Justinian I

email in PM

You can count me in as Justinian I

email in PM

i'm sorry i didn't say before, this will be a game of the Original and no Expanshon packs. i'm sorry i should have told you before this point.

bump bump bump

ok i'm bringging this one back, i now have both the expanshon pack and will be hosting a BTS PBEM game. i'm also changing my leader pick to the Aztecs Montezuma. if anyone would like to join please reply and give your email address in a PM.
Thanks

P.S. uh one last thing, i will be chaning the game speed to quick.

Eight players with epic speed will be about 2-3 years to complete...
Are you sure you will have enough patience for this?

will it really? ok lets switch it to quick speed anyways. we just need some people that want to join.

Speed, I mean number of turns per day is decisive here.
There are PBEM games which have 2 turns in a week, while some of them are much, much faster, about one turn per day. Bad think is when somebody can not play his turns for a while. thats stop whole system...
Also, very, very important matter is to make good players order. You must get all players timezones and make good plan. This can speed up game a lot...

I'm willing to start new MBEM game,but my problem is that I'll go on a trip in about a month, and it will be last for about 11-12 days... So, that will be big delay.
But, if we have 5-6 players it will be great. I mean players who will be able most of the time to play his turn immediately when they get it ....

i couldn't aggree more! i would like to see the game go about one round per day, if everyone can do that i think it will go fine. about you going away for 11 to 12 days, how do you feel about having someone sub for you? it would just be fore that time. or depending on what everyone else thinks, we can just go 12 days without playing. either way we can work something out. just need more players!

When I'm at home, I played my turns immediately. If I'm not, I play when I get home, which means almost the same day, at least. With this speed, it can be easily one turn per day, sometimes more.
All interested players must leave their time zone, in order to make good turn- schedule.
Maybe is good to start another topic, with every detail?
I can do that, if you agree, of course?

I would like to be the female leader of the celts... I can't think of her name right now.

I would like to be the female leader of the celts... I can't think of her name right now.

ok i got Shogu down for Justinian I , Atillathewin down for Boudica (Celtic), and I with Montezuma (Aztec). i think we said quick game speed.

Shogu, If you want to make a new channel go right ahead. i think we need to think of a name for the game too.

If still open, count me in with Tokugawa for example.
Playing from France, should be able to play nearly everyday.

perfect thats 4 now! one or two more and we can get this started. Unkle, you want Tokugawa (japan)?

please PM me with your email address.

after checking your profile i notice that you claim to only have the "original" civ 4. this game will be a game for BTS of civ 4. if you want you can check out my other channel i made for the original PBEM game that i'm also starting. http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationiv/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42667377&pid=919352

we will get that game started with fewer players since not as many people have only civ 4 now a days.

I would like to play, but some preferences must be defined now.
Tech trading off or on?
Also, barbs, with or without?
vassa lstates or not?
Size of map, standard, small or something else?

added Burlicconi as Hyana Capac (Inca)

I will update my profile. I do have all extensions. And would rather play a BtS game.
I'll take Tokugawa (most probably) but would like to know more about the settings. Depending on some of them (map type, size and speed mostly) I may adapt my choice :D

ok well this game we will all be picking those settings. the only one that we have in stone at this point is the game speed, and that will be set to quick. i think we are going to be going with barbs. i'm thinking maybe fractal for the map? and size is still up in the air. but here is the real question, do you guys want to have tech trading? this one we are all going to have to vote or something for it.

Tech trading needs much time for diplomacy. It can make game more fun, but can also spoil game if some players permanently ignore diplomacy...

Without tech trading, our options are more limited (and very much UU time-position dependant in the tech tree), because our best options are still military.
This is also #player dependant by the way. We have 4 players, how many AI do we want in ? On a standard map, 8 players seems reasonnable, that would be 4 AIs. Fractal is ok with me, should be less predictable. Anything else than Pangea would be better with tech trading on to me.

I'm interested in playing, but this is very disorganized. Please update your first post with ALL settings (leave some blank if you haven't decided yet). I'm still confused on what settings have been chosen.

One thing. Could we perhaps play Normal speed? Quick is just, well, quick!

ok AluminumKnight i updated my original post, i should have done that about 2 or 3 days ago. thank you for reminding me.

what do you guys think about vassa lstates? this is something Shogon asked about a while ago but we never did talk about it. i say lets turn them off for this game.

and about the speed, no i think we should keep it at quick speed for this game, but like everything else if the others want to speed it.....just let me know. majority rules.

I would like to change to Bismarck, if possible.

Thank you.

ok so far we have Shifty: Montezuma (Aztec), Atillathewin: Bismarck (Germany), Unkle: Tokugawa (Japan) and Burlicconi: Hayana Capac (Inca).

if i am missing anyone or if you need to update please let me know.

For now its 4 of us... Maybe one more or two and we can start.
I would like Atillathewin to confirm that he understands the principles of PBEM games, only because he is new on civfanatics (he has just joined), and if has any doubts, just ask ;)

he posted on another forum and i explained it as best i could, but yes. Atillathewin if you have any questions please just ask.

so i still want to hear what you guys think about vassa lstates!

vassal states: sounds a small issue to me. I'd say yes.
And I keep tokugawa :D

As you ,vassal states are not big deal, but sometimes can be exploits during the war....

Also, we must make some deals, for example if player A is in war with player B, he can't give his cities to player C, in order to save them...

burlicconi this could be cus i have never really played a PBEM game before, but shouldn't those kinds of rules be made "in game"? kind of like in the real world? i mean if me and you are waring and you give my city's to unkle....couldn't i just voice how screwed up that is, and if anyone aggreed with me they could (if they wanted) step and say something to you, or even better yet attack you to bring order back to the world?

thats kind of how i have always thought about PBEM games. you know the player base picks what they will allow and not allow, not on the forum but by there strength in the game.

That makes 5 of us, i think we can get this game started without any more people. how many AI's do you guys want?

Okay, it makes sense, maybe you should tell me how this goes since i'm a newbie.

i'll copy my reply to that same question that you asked on the gamespot forum.

well when you start the game if you go into "multiplayer" you will see a play by email option in there, so its all built into the game.

the way it works is when we get 5 or 6 players i'll start a game (and add everyone's civ & leader) then we all take turns taking turns. on your first turn you get to set a password (so that no one can move for you). there is an ingame SMTP (or outsoing mail) thingy where if you set your smtp server and it will send the game to the next player automaticly. these kinds of games normaly go on for mounths, so you don't have that kind of time then this isn't the kind of game you want to play.

in short, we all just take turns taking turns one by one, and emailing the game save to the next person in the game.

Link to the other forum http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civilizationiv/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-42667377&pid=919352

Guys, it's not complicated, it's very easy...
First, Shifty, is this vanilla or BTS game?
I will play in both cases, but if it's vanilla, I will change my leader to Qin Shi Huang then...
Second thing- seems to me that you never played PBEM before- it's Ok, once must be the first time. In that case,I can arrange game.
All we need is all players emails and probably smtp servers. SMTP can easily be found on the site of domestic provider.
You will receive save file via mail, and they you just play your turn. After clicking "end of turn" you will be asked if you want to send file to next player. If you want, you can do that, or you can manually compose email with attached save file.
All players also need to pick password, to be protected from other players....

I suggest that we all read THIS RULES (http://theoob.googlepages.com/pitbossrules.html) and then discus if someone disagree with some rule. Of cours, double moves and missed turns and similar things are not important here, since every player has predefined turn order.

Also, most important thing can be players schedule. It;s not problem if someone sleeps 8 hours per day and works 8 hours per day. He just can say "I probably can finish my turns in remaining 8 hours" or so... It's fair to other players and it will increase game speed.
You can check your time zone here TIME ZONES (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/)
Then you just have to check when you will be able to play your turns.
For example, my city is Belgrade, so it's GMT+1, and I'll be able to play my turns from 11 AM to 12 PM (this is GMT time).
Of course, sometimes we have our real life (oh, yeah) and we can make small delay, but this is just to calculate optimum.

if you have some other questions, just ask....

Also, AIs are not wanted in multiplayer games, because they can make huge unbalance. We can play wit hAi, but I strongly recommend to play without.

This will be a BTS game.

Burlicconi i was woundering when you where going to offer to start this game. :) yes this is my first real PBEM game, so if you would like to start it all off i'm more then fine with that, i will just send you an email with everyone's email address that i got so far.

as for the rules you linked to, they are talking alot about having problems connecting, and needing the host to reboot the game (server). we don't have to worrie about any of that cus we are PBEM not pitboss. really the only parts that i think have anything to do with this game is the no rush before 3500BC, and the vacation thing. i have no problem with either of those rules.

P.S. my time zone is GMT -5 (Eastern Time, US & Canada)
P.P.S. ......Florida :)

PBEM principle "solves" many problems and that's the good thing.
I will start game, that's minor problem, we arranged many issues here.
I will start new thread, and let this thread stay for questions and deals about game preferences. When games starts, we will close this thread.
I call other players to give their times zones, in fact, their time when they will be able to make their turns most probably. We already picked civs, just wait for 1-3 players.
Size of map will depend of number of players, but we can agree- small with 5, small or standard with 6 and standard with 7. I think that is the best solution.
So, hope for a good game and best fishes for all ;)

Thanks for taking care of the organizing of the game. i'm shore your experience in this issue will help smoth many things over.

Ok count me in since its bts

I would prefer normal game speed but quick would do as well .
GTM + 1 and i do my turn mostly beetwen 9 AM 13 AM

Ok count me in since its bts

I would prefer normal game speed but quick would do as well .
GTM + 1 and i do my turn mostly beetwen 9 AM 13 AM

OK, just pick up your leader...

All of you read THIS (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6772951#post6772951) and say if you have some complains about italic or underlined settings...
We'll start soon. We have 5 players, and if someone jumps in OK, if not, we'll start anyway...

last i talked with Shogu, he wanted to pick Justinian I. is this still the case Shogu?

OK, i'll edit the first post in our "official" topic....

Yes Justinian I

We still need that Unkle and Atillathewin say when they can play theirs turn most often and we can start the game.

Unkle playing from Paris, usually aroung 11PM-12PM (GMT+2 currently).
And still up for Tokugawa.

Only Atillathewin and we can start...
maybe is not bad if Shifty goes on another forum and asks Atilla...
I will send him PM also....

i'll post on the other forum and ask him.

by the way like i saind i'm GMT -5, but most of the time i will make my turns from 6 - 8 pm (sorry my time i don't know how to convert it....damn american schools)

that's 11 PM- 1 AM GMT. We all are about the same time, so I suppose Atillathewin will be right after or before you. We play our turns, go to bead and then you are in action :p

thats perfect! i normaly stay up till 1 - 2 am and i don't like feeling like i have to rush. this way i know i got all day to make my turn.

I'll play,

GMT -8 (currently gmt -7 due to DS)

Victoria

(and you mind editing the first post with who's all in it and who they are)

OK, but that will open new question- do we want to play with small or standard map? I think small will be just small, while standard will be a little bit bigger. I will choose standard....
You?

@Slaze: You can find all about this PBEM in THIS (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=273427) thread

I just got PM from Atillathewin, he is EST, and I think it is GMT-4.
So, He will be before Shifty in turn order, and I think that we'll have good schedule...

OK, turn order will be following:

I overlooked that Shogu said that his "best moments" are from 9AM- 13Am GMT +1, so I suppose that in this case the best schedule will be if put Shogu after Slaze. So, the best schedule, by my opinion is:

[1) Burlicconi GMT +1
2) Unkle GMT +2
3) Atillathewin - 4
4) Shifty - 5
5) Slaze -8[/I]
6) Shogu + 1

updated original post

All sounds good to me :D
Kudos to burliconni and Shifty189 for making this happen.

And let's have fun !!

i try to load the save game file and i get

load error cannot load version 301 expected version 300 or lower

i try to load the save game file and i get

load error cannot load version 301 expected version 300 or lower


ok two things it can be.

1) you don't have BTS installed on the PC you are trying to open the save file on. or......

2) you don't have the newest patch.

if you don't have the patch you can download it from the game itself. from the main menu go to "advanced" then "check for updates". it will then check to see if you have the newest patch, and if you don't it will ask if you want to download it.

there is always...

3) You or Burlicconi have some mod on that we didn't know about.


Also everyone please post when you send the game so we know if the email gets blocked (or spammed)

You must update your version to 3.13.
Just go into game menu->options->check for updates and you will be updated...

OR, you can download manually patch from HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7412) and just install like any other patch... It's about 121 MB, so it's not such a problem....

Okay, I tried to install the patch and this is what it said...


The setup has detected that version 3.13.000 of civ4 - bts is already installed.

This setup updates civ4 - bts to the same version that is already installed, therefore this update is not needed.

Do you want to install the update anyways.

i don't think i understand what your saying? is it asking you if you want to update anyways? if so, say yes. update and lets get going.

or are you trying to say that the patch is telling you that you already have the most up to date patch?

I think its telling me I already have it.

I download this game off a website, maybe thats it?

try doing it ingame threw the advanced menu. see what it tells you that way.

Atilla, I sent you PM. read it and answer, maybe problem is there ;)

Atilla, go to options in game menu and check about the version. probably you are patched, but version is still 3.00, and that's the problem, but we can solve that then...

Well, he was on this morning, but didn't reply in the other thread. Maybe he hasn't seen our discussion as all his posts as a CFC member has been limited to this thread. 7 would make a better number than 6 for a standard map if we can get everybody together. Although we have no idea if his problem can be fixed.

Atillathewin, tell us what's up. We're looking to start the game without you.

I started a new game. If atilla fixes his problem, I am sure we will continue our old game.
But, from my experience problems with .dll files are annoying. I was talking with him 2 nights before and i really don't know how to fix it.

edit:
DLL file is this: BOOST_PYTHON-VC71-MT-1_32.DLL
and this is about his build:
civ version - 301
save version - 300
build version 3.0.3.1 (77541)

From this I think he hasn't installed 3.13, but when he starts installation, it says that3.13 is already installed....

I send him some my saves for single game, and then it calls for .dll error...

If someone might know what's wrong, please help :)

p.S. I sent him my .dll file, and after that he hasn't respond...