If you get CTP2 and patch it and mod it then it is a great game.

Since this is a Civilization website brothers and sisters, let us not bash any civ type game!

But seriously, every person has their own opinions. CtP may not be for everyone, but I am one civaddict who loves all civ games in all of their forms. :D

The game really suxs. I like some of the concepts, but the gameplay is horrible.

Originally posted by archer_007
The game really suxs. I like some of the concepts, but the gameplay is horrible.

Spoken from true experience clearly. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by archer_007
The game really suxs. I like some of the concepts, but the gameplay is horrible.

Have you tried playing it modded? CtP2 out of the box isn't that great, but once you mod it the game rox! Give it a try before you make such a comment. Then again I suspect I won't see you here again. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Moff Jerjerrod


Have you tried playing it modded? CtP2 out of the box isn't that great, but once you mod it the game rox! Give it a try before you make such a comment. Then again I suspect I won't see you here again. :rolleyes:
I've tried it with MedMod2. It's better, but still doesn't quite make it...

MedMod2 is alot easier than Cradle. MedMod has more overall depth and cradle concentrates on the ancient era, but cradle is a real challenge, as is Super Apolyton Pack.

Originally posted by archer_007
The game really suxs. I like some of the concepts, but the gameplay is horrible.


That explians everything anyone needs to know abot the game

Yeah and he said it in such an eloquent and educated fashion :rolleyes:

You nor he have even played the game with any of the newer Mods lately, thats pretty clear. If you dont like it, its your PREFERENCE, its not because its inherently bad.

Perfection is a misconception. ;)

Maquiladora, you are totally correct. I personally dislike the game, but I have a friend who absolutely loves it. Some people like specific games, with our find unbearable. I haven't tried it modded, so maybe get some of those mods and give it a second try.

All right you have a point there but it still doesn't call for the dissmissal of my state of perfection

CTP2 is a great game when modded. It's better than civ3 in many respects: no. of civs, techs, govts, etc; the editor is fantastic compared with civ3 and it is much more atmospheric. Some of the music on CTP2 is wonderful.
But, no matter what difficulty level it is played, the AI is far too predictable and the diplomacy is inadequate.
If they fixed these elements, I'd never play civ3 again...and I certainly wouldn't fork out for the PTW XP, which only makes civ3 how it should have been in the first place....

Definately agreed calgacus. If diplo and the ai was tweaked a little CtP2 would easily best Civ3. I love the fact that the game (CtP2) lasts longer and has a more complicated tech tree. You can also play into the future with underwater cities and such. Too bad they removed the space element though.

Well i do agree that the diplomacy needs to be better , despite already the efforts of the modders.

But if you play Cradle 1.32 on deity with raging horde barbs, and you think its predictable, you wont last long. IMO Deity on cradle is about equal to emperor on Civ3, but only for the simple reason that on deity Civ3, the AI expands like a maniac, ending only with the whole planet colonised by 1000BC, thats easily fixed with increased settler cost though.

I myself dont like the future units/advances etc but its easy to take them out.

As you said if things changed in CtP2 it would easily beat Civ3, and i would say if culture and combat were "tweaked" it would certainly half the time i played CtP2, but culture and combat are perfect/fine for some people in the civ3 camp already. So its basically preference as always.

Good day to you :D

Oh and they didnt take out the space element, they just didnt have time to implement it. Just like the throne room, more advanced diplomacy, better ai movement and all the other goodies left unfinished. :(

Nah, I think they deliberately dropped the space layer.

Advanced AI and Diplomacy is in the works. There's a fine balance in getting an AI that can attack, but knows when not to.

What about the throne room? Theres alot of old stuff hangin around in there. Although yeah they wouldnt have dropped something as important as the space layer to save time, they made a firm decision beforehand most likely.

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Advanced AI and Diplomacy is in the works. There's a fine balance in getting an AI that can attack, but knows when not to.

Does that mean there could be a CtP3? :yeah: :beer:

Now that would rule if they did a good job!

no official CtP3. Only the product of a couple of years modding. Check out the Apolyton CtP2 modding forum. Its a bit busier than this one :)

Originally posted by Moff Jerjerrod


Does that mean there could be a CtP3? :yeah: :beer:

Now that would rule if they did a good job!

Unfortunatly not an official one. :(

But you can go to http://apolyton.net check out the CTP2 forum there and of course try GoodMod. BTW 'Poly is much better then CivFanatics, it is a real Civ side, because hit covers CTP1 and CTP2 and it is much more Netscape friendly, I just see this little reply window in Netscape 6.2.

-Martin

Immortal Wombat and Martin Guehmann (sorry I don't know how to make the umlaut),

I love the CtP forum at Apolyton, in fact my user name there is Haupt. Dietrich. I'm sure you've seen me over there. How are you guys! :D

Well if there is never going to be a CtP3 then I salute all who continue to mod and improve this wonderful game. :beer:

Originally posted by Moff Jerjerrod
Immortal Wombat and Martin Guehmann (sorry I don't know how to make the umlaut),

Well you used the official work around. :D If you really want to use the umlaut then I would mark the umlaut first and use the copy and paste keys. Of course you can can mark first my whole name and copy and paste it.

Originally posted by Moff Jerjerrod
I love the CtP forum at Apolyton, in fact my user name there is Haupt. Dietrich. I'm sure you've seen me over there. How are you guys! :D

Yes I already have seen you there. Just a thought usually people registers with the same username. Yeah the 'Poly forums are great espeacily the more traffic on the CTP2 forums and its Mozilla/Netscape 6 compartibility. I just modifying my mod, I improved the speed of its slic scrips and now I am replaying the tourny game.

Originally posted by Moff Jerjerrod
Well if there is never going to be a CtP3 then I salute all who continue to mod and improve this wonderful game. :beer:

Yeah CTP2 gets better and better.

-Martin

Thanks Martin for the tips, especially the umlaut work around. I am from the USA and use the North American keyboard. There is an ASCI code for the umlaut but I can't find it. Your method will work just fine. :goodjob:

Yes you're right about registering with the same name on different sites. I know now that if I register somewhere else I'd probably use my Apolyton username to make it easier for people to recognize me. I spend more time at Apolyton anyway. But I love CFC as well and when I registered I wanted to be "different". I guess I could ask to have my name changed.

Hopefully I'll see you at Locutus's MP tournement. I will be out of town the weekend that he has chosen but definately want to participate. Perhaps another time. I wish great success to the tournement! :D

Originally posted by Moff Jerjerrod
I love the CtP forum at Apolyton, in fact my user name there is Haupt. Dietrich.

:enlighten *clouds of confusion drift away* :enlighten

:D

dastardly people using multi-screen names :D

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
dastardly people using multi-screen names :D

:lol:

Yeah but it isn't as bad as a DL is it? :)

worse. DLs are amusing

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
worse. DLs are amusing

:lol:

-Martin

Originally posted by calgacus
CTP2 is a great game when modded. It's better than civ3 in many respects: no. of civs, techs, govts, etc; the editor is fantastic compared with civ3 and it is much more atmospheric. ...
But, no matter what difficulty level it is played, the AI is far too predictable and the diplomacy is inadequate.
If they fixed these elements, I'd never play civ3 again...and I certainly wouldn't fork out for the PTW XP, which only makes civ3 how it should have been in the first place....

I second that motion, though I do love civ3. Having gotten lonely playing offline against the Vulcan computer players in Civ2, I gave CtP2 a try. All those governments, and two ages beyond the all-too-well-known modern age! But, in the end, it just became a matter of outnumbering your enemies units, not out-smarting them.
You know, one more thing to improve, though I guess this falls under general improved AI, is the lack of personality the AI players have, and their lack of hate for players with hostile gov't, like a democratic nation being buddies with fascists, etc. And some of those treaties don't really seem to do a darn thing. Science treaties, for instance, and the AI player seems no more likely to trade (or fork over) techs than before. Jerkies!
Haven't had the chance to play a full game against other ppl, though. I imagine if you play against several humans and several AI players, the computer players will hold their own enough to keep things intersting. Otherwise, gotta go with Civ3 (HEAVILY modded, of course; I mean, really, upgrading spearmen to mech. infantry for a measly 160 gold??) ;)
What are some great mods for CtP2, that would make one feel the AI players are more intelligent?

Actually it isnt uncommon is World history for a nation to ally or have a peace treaty with a nation with a radically different government, especially if its in the bigger nation's interests.

Multiplayer has always been a big plus point for CtP2, seeing as the unmodded AI was pathetic to say the least. I play on and off and havent had any unknown problems with it.

All major mods make the AI smarter and fix alot of bugs, like the useless science treaty you mentioned. Take a trip over to Apolyton if you're interested in mods for CtP2, youll be surprised.

Originally posted by Maquiladora
All major mods make the AI smarter and fix alot of bugs, like the useless science treaty you mentioned. Take a trip over to Apolyton if you're interested in mods for CtP2, youll be surprised.

Will do! Thanks! :)

I enjoyed CTP1, and loved CTP2 with the medieval mod. I have a few questions though:

Have the mods solved the following problems yet:
- AI not using nukes
-Trade routes disappearing
-AI stacking 12 units and then unable to move that stack through its own cities
-AI not building commerce improvements (like malls and outposts) which in MedMod always left the AI paralyzed in the industrial age.
- AI not using non-con units to the full extent (like they did in CTP1)
- Underwater cities using the pictures for land cities

If so, I'll be reinstalling with those mods.

Never agreed to CTP-bashing. It's an enjoyable game and really has got some advantages on CivIII. Just love expanding city-radius.

I missed the space-layer in CTP2, too. Finding/breeding an alien is better than eco-saving the world.

Maybe I should give the mods you are talking of a try.