View Full Version : FFH team: Amatheon, Sucellos, Govannon, Essus... Why did you pick them?
Deon Apr 22, 2008, 11:50 AM A question to the mighty developers of this fantastic modification.
I've recently found that Amatheon, Sucellos and Govannon were Casse gods (Casse was a british clan, I think it dwelled in Welsh) - of fertility (Amatheon), farming (Sucellos) and smithing/forge (Govannon); Essus was gallic god of fertility too.
Why did you pick these names? I think there could be some meaning besides "they sound cool". Do you have your own explanation?
Mewtarthio Apr 22, 2008, 12:15 PM Well, Amathaon is the Angel of Creation, so the fertility link is fairly obvious. Sucellus was the Angel of Nature before he died and came back with the Life sphere, so the farming connection is pretty clear there, too. Govannon's a bit trickier, and whatever explanations I could think of would probably fall under the whole "Everybody is Jesus in Purgatory" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory) banner. Remember Sandalphon was originally named "Morgoth," which is the same name as the Silmarillion equivalent to Satan (or Agares, if you prefer), so not every name has a particular meaning. As for Esus...
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Deon Apr 22, 2008, 01:02 PM Well, my main question was why did they want to pick the celtic/gallic names and is there a deep meaning in it.
xienwolf Apr 22, 2008, 01:13 PM Searching for info on Oghma, I stumbled on Kael's explanation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5301060&highlight=oghma#post5301060) long ago.
Kael Apr 22, 2008, 03:05 PM Nothing much to add beyond the post that Xienwolf linked. There are some made up names in the mythology. Those tend to be from the first campaign I ran which was heavily elemental focused (Bhall, Danalin, Tali, Kilmorph) and dealt with Trenton and the death of the Aifons.
After that I enlarged the mythology and started using different god names in different areas. Sucellus could be called the Green Father in one area, Osiris in another. When I went to write the first design doc for FfH one of my first questions was which set of god names to use. I picked my favorites for each and multiple names for the same god wouldn't work will in a Civ4 format.
As I said in the previous post I love the celtic names because not many people are familiar with them yet they sound consistent, they sound appropriate to our theme, and in truth much of the celtic mythology isnt known about anymore. The Celts werent big writers, trusting instead in epic stories that changed and were lost over time (or stamped out buy later influences like the romans). So going back to them touches on a new world that isnt as rehashed as the same norse, greek and egyptian themes we typically see in fantasy video games.
Milosrdenstvi Apr 22, 2008, 03:51 PM I wonder about all the Hebrew and Greek myself. Elohim is of course the word for 'god' in Hebrew; I presume the Balseraphs have something to do with Seraphim, and there are all the others ending in -im which I think are related. Then we have the Kuriotates -- greek for 'dominion' with Eurybatres, a character from the Odyssey - also Acheron, a river in Hades...
Kael Apr 22, 2008, 04:16 PM I wonder about all the Hebrew and Greek myself. Elohim is of course the word for 'god' in Hebrew; I presume the Balseraphs have something to do with Seraphim, and there are all the others ending in -im which I think are related. Then we have the Kuriotates -- greek for 'dominion' with Eurybatres, a character from the Odyssey - also Acheron, a river in Hades...
Most (Elohim, Malakim, Sheaim, Balseraphs, Mercurians, Grigori) are choirs of angels or demons from old christian/jewish demonology. Many falsely ascribe it to In Nomine which used similiar names but we both just borrowed from the same source. I liked having the tie between the tribes of men and the different sects of angels (back before a wiki search on these terms brought up pages of FfH hits).
And as you say there are plenty of obscure and not so obscure Greek (Erebus and Nyx), Norse (Luonnotar) and ancient chrisitan (Os-Gabella is based on Lilith) references.
civ_king Apr 24, 2008, 12:37 AM um what about Rathus Denmora? that was from um um um um the bartimaeus series? i think
Kael Apr 24, 2008, 07:47 AM um what about Rathus Denmora? that was from um um um um the bartimaeus series? i think
I thought it was a unique name but I picked it 15 years ago or so for the D&D game. Its possible I may have seen the name somewhere else and liked it.
Mewtarthio Apr 24, 2008, 10:49 AM Google doesn't find "Rathus Denmora" anywhere outside of FfH forums.
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