"Your all useless!" Benito Mussolini yelled.
"Grand fascist council my ass! You couldn't counsel anything!"
"But I'm gonna make my own council, a council of doooooooooooooom!"
*scary dark violin music*
"But isn't that just stealing ideas from the old great Scottish master of war Kan' Sharuminar?" one of the members asked.
"Nonsense!" replied Mussolini, "Kan always used a council of doom, i will have a council of dooooooooooooooooooooooom!"
*scary violin music again*
"Where's that music coming from?" somebody asked.
"Oh I've rented the Rome violin quartet to play scary music every time i say council of dooooooooooooooom"
*scary violin music again"
"Fancy, i know. But your all just wasting good furniture sitting there on your fat pizza round asses, get out before i have you all thrown in front of a train, and you know damn well it will be on schedule too!".

Alright, so i stole the council of doom. If anybody needs it, its Italy. Weak tech team, weak old army, not that much of manpower and a weak industrial base. But anyhooo, all that will easily be fixed by the great Benito Mussolini!

First off, lets see what we have to deal with.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Volumvus/Italy/Italia1.jpg

The Italian boot, with our possessions in North Africa, Sardinia, and Rhodes.

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Italian East Africa. We are at war with Ethiopia, and we have 20 divisions ready for our offensive, shouldn't be much more then a parade to Addis Ababa really.

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Our diplomatic status. We make moves to become more hawkish. Yugoslavia has some of our rightful land! Which we hopefully one day will get back!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Volumvus/Italy/Italia4.jpg

Our army size, the army is still using equipment from the Great war, and needs to get new equipment sometime.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Volumvus/Italy/Italia6.jpg

Our airforce, while decent in size, it is horrible outdated with some planes dating back to the Great war.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Volumvus/Italy/italia5.jpg

The navy. Its not very big, and its also starting to age. If we intend to make the Mediterranean an Italian lake, it will need to be enlarged to have any hope of contending with the Royal Navy.

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This is our current research. And here you see one of Italy's largest problem. It only has four research slots and can only research four techs at a time, unlike the major powers who can research 5. Italy currently does not have the industrial capacity to have 5 research slots. And that will be the councils first discussion:

Italy currently has a base IC (Industrial capacity) of 64. In order to get 5 research slots we need 80. Italy could build factories to get that up to 80. But if we build factories we cant upgrade our army, reinforce it, or produce anything new.

Option 1:

Italy needs 5 research slots if it wants to keep up technologically, right now Italy has the capacity to produce 8 factories a year, if we produce nothing but factories for 2 years, then in January 1938 we would get our 5 reserach team, plus have a base ic of a little over 80, in case we should lose some of it. This will in the long run allow us to train more soldiers, build more airplanes and build more ships.

Option 2

The Italian army is understrength and outdated, the navy is small, and the airforce is small and outdated as well. What Italy needs is a larger, more modern army, airforce and navy! To wait until 1938 before starting to increase the army is to large a risk, by then it might already be to late! Italy needs to increase and modernize its army, and it needs to do it no!

And so the council of doooooooooooom *scary violin music* was forced to make a decision. There could be no compromise. Benito Mussolini only had one problem, he needed to find himself a council fast. Everyone was welcome, he needed ministers, generals, admirals and advisers And a pizza boy would be nice too.

Council members


Head of Government: Volum Mussolini
Chief of Army:Field Marshall Kan' Sharuminar
Chief of Navy:Admiral Nodikus
Chief of Airforce:Air marshal PrinceScamp
Chief of intelligence: Raisin Bran
Field Marshall D'Artagnan
Field Marshall Equuleus
Minister of silly walks SuperBeaverInc.
Coffeeboy Captain2
Adviser Davo
Ambassador e350tb

(Ironman)
(Berrie)
(ArneHD)
(Gaius Octavius)

Option 1.

Also, i dibs airforce.

Option 1.

And I call Ministry of Sicily Silly Walks

I knew I should have patented the phrase :p

I'll take Chief of the Army, and good luck.

Option 1
I'll take Chief of the Navy.

Dibs on best general.

I call Coffee boy!

"Good evening gentlemen, please take your seats" Benito Mussolini pointed towards the chairs.
"First off, i would like to welcome you all to my council of dooooooooooooooooom"
*scary dark violin music*
"I think we should start over with a introduction round. This is PrinceScamp, famous pilot and now leader of the Regia Aeronautica. I trust he will help us dominate the skies"
"Here we have Admiral Nodikus, Chief of the Regia Marina. He will make us dominate the seas!"
"Over there we have the great Kan' Sharu-something, he will lead our glorious army. And by his side is Field Marshal D'Artagnan."
"We also have our own coffee boy, Captain2, he makes the best coffee in the known world, and will always help us the keep our energy up"
"And last, we have Superbeaver, minister of silly walks. His department will invent silly walks that will make our soldiers impossible to shoot! MUwHAHA!".

"Alright, we're gonna start with a general status report"

Construction of factories have started
Construction of a total of 16 factories over 2 years have started, with 8 made each year. In one year we will get 8 extra IC from the first round of factories, 5 of these will go into another factory actually making the total 17, while the 3 remaining will most likely go into supplies.

Italy has severe resource problems
Italy does not produce enough electricity, metal, rare materials or oil. Therefore we must produce extra supplies to trade to other countries for these resources. We have made a number of trades with our friends in Germany, and also small one with the Soviets. By late January Italy started to make a surplus in all resources.".

Launching of the Eugenio di Savoia
The Regia Marina has a new ship! The light cruiser Eugenio di Savoia was launched on the 17. of January, with admiral Nodikus personally bringing the ship out of port. She will be the last ship constructed for a long time.

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"Now our Chief of Army Kan' Sharuminar has prepared a special report from the war in Ethiopia:

"Thank you, i will just show you some slides and give a short info for your pleasure."

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"Here you see the initial plan drawn up by Field Marshall D'Artagnan. PrinceScamp would provide air support with a squadron of tactical bombers."

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"Here our units have made contact with a small Ethiopian army, as soon as the sun rose they where quickly brushed aside"

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"Early on the 19. of January our forces reached Dire Dawa, and quickly from there attacked Addis Ababa.The attack went without problems, and the terrain was more of a problem then their army.

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"And on 7 of February Addis Ababa was occupied, and the country surrendered and was annexed into the Italian empire."

"Thank your for that wonderful presentation Mr. Kan, now i believe we must look at some of the issues on todays agenda".

Discussion

1. What to do with Militia?

The Italian army currently has 10 Militia units. If the Italians want a large and feared army, Militia are not ideal as front line troops. What should we use them for, if at all?

Option 1: The Militia can be used to garrison Ethiopia, while there are no partisans in Ethiopia, the Militia could be used as a form of resistance should a war (presumably with Great Britain) break out.

Option 2: Ethiopia cannot be properly defended without a decent sized force, that in case of war with Britain (which is most likely) cannot be supplied anyway. Transport the Militia out of Ethiopia with the rest of the regular army, and use them as beach defenses in Africa/Italy/Rhodes.

Option 3: We have no use for the Militia. They use supplies which could be better used traded away for other resources from Germany

Should the vote in the council end in a tie, the Chief of Army gets the last say.

Discussion number 2:
The fate of Ethiopia

Ethiopia has few resources, little IC, and is almost impossible to defend in case of a war

Option 1:

Ethiopia is a part of the Italian empire, and shall remain under direct Italian rule.

Option 2:

It is better to release Ethiopia as a puppet, so it can produce divisions to defend itself, while we get any extra resources they may have.

Discussion number 3

The Regia Marina has a number of obsolete destroyers and submarines from the Great War, do we have any use for them?

Option 1: Yes, they can still kill cant they?

Option 2: No, they are nothing more then floating pieces of scrap metal that wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real engagement. Better to disband them for the manpower and supplies.

Should the vote end in a tie, the chief of the navy will get the last say.

And so the council once again must make hard choices, of course the council was a little bit thin in ranks so anyone who wanted too could and should join the counsel, its your duty to Italy!


Sorry if the last parts seems a little rushed, i have to get to bed and have a history test tomorrow that will decide my grade for the year. List over the counsel (Kan style :p) comes tomorrow.

Advisor Davo reporting for duty!

The millitia I reccomend using to garrison Ethiopia for the time being. They cna always be replaced later on when our factories are built up! And keep Ethiopia as part of the empire, under direct control! All ships should be kept avialable...we never know when they may be needed for war!

1: Option 1

2: Option 1

3: Option 1

I call position as German Ambassador.

Options 2, 2, 1.

Also, my name DOES NOT have a space in it! It's one word!

Option 4: build nothing else but militia and artillery. Cost-quality it's the best option.

Option One on all counts.

The militia in Ethiopia would be ideal to deal with a possible war against Britain, who no doubt will only utilise regional militia in their colonies nearby. Victory would be assured if we send one or two regular infantry divisions there, but if it comes to war with Britain, then our main fight will be against Egypt.

Naturally, it would be ideal to have Ethiopia under our full control to maximise our military potential there. Their main armies couldn't cope with us in open warfare, what good will a rabble of rebels do?

The navy is not my department, so I have little interest in whether old ships are scrapped or continue to be utilised. The older vessels could protect our national waters around the mainland, while newer vessels patrol the Mediterranean.

Option 1: Just use them to free up regular forces and in case of partisans

Option 1: We went to the trouble of conquering it didn't we?

Option 1: Better to have the older ships if in case we need them for an emergency than to scrape them.

One on all options.

Option 1 for all

Option 1, Option 2 and Option 1

who ordered the Mocha?

You should be aware that releasing Ethiopia will likely cause a massive dissent hit from an event.

event = {
id = 15141
trigger = {
puppet = { country = ETH country = ITA }
}
random = no

country = ITA

name = "EVT_15100_NAME"
desc = "EVT_15100_DESC"
style = 0

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1936 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1963 }

action_a = {
name = "EVT_15100_ACTA"
command = { type = dissent value = 10 }
}
}

With the end of the Ethiopian war, things seemed to quiet down for a little while. Regular Italian army units started marching towards Massaua where they would be shipped back to Italy, while Militia units took up defensive positions. As by the council's orders the Militia where to stay behind and protect Ethiopia from any threat.

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Italian soldiers march by a monument of Volum Mussolini

On the home front, new technologies had been researched. Over a short period 4 projects where done.

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And they where replaced by these:

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PrinceScamp was particularly pleased with the research being done on the Reggiane Re 2000 Falco. Even if the Fiat CR32 had just finished its prototype testing, it was still a biplane. And while the Fiat CR32 indeed was one of the best biplanes ever built, PrinceScamp still believed that the age of the biplane was over. Existing squadrons may be given the Fiat CR32 as replacement for the older planes in the future, but all new squadrons created in the future will use the Re 2000 Falco, until new designs are put on the table of course.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/cr42.jpg
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/re2000_MM408b.jpg
Above: The Fiat CR32
Under: The Reggiane Re 2000 Falco

Apart from German reoccupation of the Rhineland, the crushing of a coup in Japan, and a peace treaty between the nationalists and communists in China not much was going on in the world. At least not that interested Italy, however, in the early morning on the 18 July there was some hectic activity in Rome, as council where gathering for an emergency meeting.

"Gentlemen, Franco has launched his coup in Spain"
*Wohoo, cheers from some of the members of the council*
"Unfortunately, it didn't go quite as planed, and now the Spanish are in a civil war"
"Are we gonna give support to Franco?" Adviser Davo asked.
"Ive already arranged for sending volunteers", Mussolini said, "coughandalloursuppliesandmoneycough".
"You what?" Kan' Sharuminar suddenly turned his head towards the head of the table where Volum Mussolini was sitting.
"What? Oh i, well...., ehm...., you see, sometimes, ehmmm, well, there might have been a little misunderstanding, but no big deal"
"You sent Franco all our supplies and money?"
"Its not like we had that much of it to begin with, no need to place blame here, come on, Kan just show us your map of Spain"

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"This is a few hours old, but the Republicans have already retaken Valladolid, and this was before someone gave away all our money and supplies" Kan gave a glance towards Mussolini.
"Alright Kan i get it, your mad, but we all make mistakes. I seem to remember a certain party congress around Christmas 1934.
"Look, i don't think this quite...." Kan started
"Yes Kan I'm sure she said she was 16, just tell us what you think about Spain"
*Long uncomfortable silence*

"To be honest, i don't think Franco will win this without serious outside help, the Republicans control almost all the important areas, and have a larger army. Even with our troops, and the German condor legion i don't think its enough"
"Honestly, i don't see how Franco can win this without a more direct form of intervention. And while we are pretty much without supplies and money right now, a friendly government that close to Gibraltar, would be extremely beneficiary for us".

Discussion

While its still early in the war, it looks unlikely that the nationalists will win without more direct Italian help. However Italy has no (0,zero) supplies, and actually have a little debt when it comes to money after giving it all in support of Franco.

Option 1: The Italian industry is currently very hard pressed and the supplies for a direct intervention cant be produced without delaying production for some of our factories. This will lead to us getting a 5 research slot later, we will be more behind when it comes to technology. Increasing the army will have to wait, so will the airforce and navy, something that has already been postponed with 2 years. The war has just begun, its not even certain Franco has lost yet, and we don't even know if we will let us join the war. Not to mention we will also bring the British, French and Americans eyes on us. Italy cannot afford a war right now.

Option 2: Italy should try to get in an alliance with Franco and the Nationalists and intervene directly in the Spanish Civil war. This would lead to a friendly government close to Gibraltar, and allow us to have troops stationed nearby that can seal of the Mediterranean Sea from the West soon after a war is declared. If more supplies cant be produced for the army without delaying other projects, some of the factories we are making are simply just going to have to wait.


Note: The Spanish civil war event emptied our supply stockpile, and cash. In case you hadn't noticed, Italy doesn't have much of anything:mischief:

Hmmmm tough choice. Whilst I lean towards option 1, I wish to see what the rest of the council has to say.

I support option 2, Gibraltar is too important to pass up

Sign me up as brilliant Field Marshal.

I lean towards option 2, if there is a war having a friendly Spain is much better than a hostile Spain.

Sign me up as brilliant Field Marshal.

I lean towards option 2, if there is a war having a friendly Spain is much better than a hostile Spain.

Sorry, but Italy dosnt really have any brilliantField Marshal's, you're gonna have to settle with decent. But welcome anyway :p

1: Option 1

2: Option 1

3: Option 1

I call position as German Ambassador.

You mean Italian ambassador to Germany right? Just need to be sure

Option 1. Inteveine as much as we can but avoid a war.

Nothing, nothing at all.

10-1 says the Nationalists win.

Based on my recent experience (admittedly I'm new at playing Italy in this game :p) I would suggest saying the heck with Spanish Nationalists; once the war is over in Spain, declare war on the winning side and annex it! :evil:

@Equuleus: That is how we get our friendly Spain. :D

Is there any dissent hit for not sending aid? I wouldn't bother with sending it to the Nationalists, unless you're wanting to role-play it a bit.

And dammit, she said she was at least 16. It's things like this that make me demand Identity Cards for all citizens!

Is there any dissent hit for not sending aid? I wouldn't bother with sending it to the Nationalists, unless you're wanting to role-play it a bit.

And dammit, she said she was at least 16. It's things like this that make me demand Identity Cards for all citizens!


1. I wanted to save and exit before the game, but i couldnt without choosing an option in the event (Should have saved&exit earlier and asked before)
2. There is a dissent hit for saying no, i think its about 5% or something, and it would have taken ages to gotten rid of it. Its not the first time ive sent all my supplies and money to Nat.Spain in an Italy game :mischief:
3. Sure she did :rolleyes:

I have autosave on for every month, so it's not too big a deal if I have to go back for an event :)

So do i but i figured it would be more fun this way :p

I endorse Octavius' idea to attack whoever wins.

The problem with that, is that when one Spain annexes the other it inherits the other's troops. While still not the same size as Italy's army, its still large enough to cause troubles. And, a republican win (that happens in 9/10 in my games, and also most likely this one) would give the Soviets a blueprint (and we hate them filthy commies).

Also for roleplaying reasons, i want any intervention to take place during the civil war, just seems more realistic to me.

Well then, we certainly don't want a Republican victory. Send the resources, we can handle it in the short term. How are the other European powers reacting?

You get republican victories alot, that's strange...

You get republican victories alot, that's strange...

I do too. The Republicans always manage to hold off the Nationalists, even when the Nationalists seem to have gained the upper hand. I saw them once come back to win when they were down to 3 provinces.

Well then, we certainly don't want a Republican victory. Send the resources, we can handle it in the short term. How are the other European powers reacting?

The recources are already sent, i don't have any resources left to send now really :p

The question is: Do we attempt to ally Franco and decleare war on republican Spain, at the expense of some of our factories getting postponed by maybe a few months? (In addition to the supplies and "volunteers" we already sent

I'd recomend attacking the Republicans and then the Nationalists, then release Nationalist Spain as a puppet, that way they won't have a choice besides following Italy

*goes back to handing out coffee*

You mean Italian ambassador to Germany right? Just need to be sure

Yes, call me back from Berlin if yer need me!

Woah, I just escaped from being held captive by the communists.
Undorcover missions are not performed well with a big italian accent. MAMA MIA that is a big rocket you are building, now where are the pasta!

I am now reporting back and assingn me to whatever position you wish.

I say direct intervention, besides pulling pranks on the pope it's getting boring here in Rome.

From the book "The Spanish Civil War in pictures"
Written by I.P Freely
Published by Skull Island publishing company

After the start of the civil war in Spain the Italian council of doom had heavy discussions about getting involved in the Spanish Civil War. After leader Volum Mussolini had sent all of the states supplies and money to the nationalists. After this a resource crisis was feared but the Italian ambassador to Germany e350tb made several trips to Germany and managed to arrange several successful trades. For the first time there where no clear majority in the council, but a small majority voted for involvement in the war, after it in early November became clear that the nationalists in Spain would not win the war on their own. The Italian entry into the war had a surprising and rather good surprise for the council as it turned out many Italians supported the war, meaning it was not necessary to produce as much consumer goods to keep the people happy.


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Before the Italian involvement in the Spanish Civil War, the Italian military was looking into ways of updating the cavalry arm's equipment.

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The front in Spain, October 1936.

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The signing of the alliance between Italy and Nationalist Spain. Bonus question! Find something wrong with this picture

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General Equuleus(former Field Marshall, but was demoted after the famous "drunken brawl" with chief of army Kan' Sharuminar during a study trip to Germany summer 1936) lands with the first Italian forces, 5 elite divisions 7 November 1936

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The Regia Marina scores its first victory during the war. Admiral Nodikus's fleet supported by a few ships of the nationalist navy sinks the Republican battleship ARE Jaime, the killing blow being given by the Italian battleship Andrea Doria.

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After two days of preparations General Equuleus launches his first attack, aimed at the area of Guadalajara. The Republican militia in the area are easily brushed aside

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Due to the well known Italian efficiency 8 factories are finished over 1 month before schedule.

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General Equuleus with his elite divisions are on their way to Badajoz. While Italian forces are attacking Albacete, with support from newly arrived Field Marshall D'Artagnan with veterans from the Ethiopia campaign.

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The Italian Army worked together with the Italian intelligence service on developing the newer Encryption Devices. Inspired in part by the arrival of the new chief of intelligence Raisin Bran who had just returned from captivity after a failed mission in the Soviet Union.

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Field Marshall D'Artagnan captures Madrid. In a surprise offensive in early December D'Artagnan crosses the Manzanares and with support from General Equuleus from Badajoz brushes aside the defenders of the city and occupies it in an early Christmas present to the council of doom.

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Republican poster trying to gather support against the "Italian invasion"

Ooh, forming an actual alliance and getting directly involved? This is interesting :D

Would the answer to the bonus question be that there's no Mussolini in the government?

Thats not strange considering thats the gouverment of Nationalist Spain :p

However, who would you expect to see there that isnt there?

Thats not strange considering thats the gouverment of Nationalist Spain :p

However, who would you expect to see there that isnt there?

:wallbash: Silly me! Not paying attention.

Anyway, Franco I presume? I don't think I've seen him as leader during the war, I think it's only after victory he becomes Head of State.

That's Spain actually, your ic seems odd though.


(delayed post)

:wallbash: Silly me! Not paying attention.

Anyway, Franco I presume? I don't think I've seen him as leader during the war, I think it's only after victory he becomes Head of State.

Really, ive never noticed that :confused:

I think I first noticed it in Written by the Victors during the civil war, and wondered where the devil Franco was when I wanted to write about him. Pretty sure he'll show up afterwards though.

I think there's an event related to Franco where nationalist spain chooses a leader.

In the last HOI2 game I played with the germans the nationalists lost the war. I was stuck with Republican spain and the never wanted to ally with me even with +200 relations.

I have to give the counsil one tip. My information channels told me that the Brits seem to give Gibraltar a lot of importance.
Kepp your friends close and your enemies even closer, I say wey keep some troops not too far from Gibraltar In close striking distance after the civil war ends.
Just in prevention of what could happen.

Discussion time

Not as much discussion, as a "choice" of paths.

Navy

Should the Regia Marina concentrate on Carriers, or Battleships?

Battleships

Pros:
- A battleship escorted by escort/light carriers will almost always quickly close the range with enemy naval forces, and gives better positioning.
- Battleships can give out tremendous amounts of damage, and in a battle will sink more ships then carriers.
- At night, or if it rains. The battleship can destroy carrier groups with ease.
- Good at shore bombardment.
- Italy's doctrine, current research and leaders are better suited for a battleship force.

Cons:
- Expensive
- In a battleship vs. battleship "slugfest" it can take large amounts of damage that will take a lot of recourses to repair.
- Slow compared to other ships.
- In a battleship vs battleship engagement, with both sides having modern ships and decent leaders, you'l usually need numerical advantages, and you can still take a lot of damage
- Vulnerable to aircrafts.

Carriers

Pros:

- Keeps out of range from enemy guns, and can avoid damage.
- Can easier get away from superior forces
- Cheaper then battleships
- Can strike at enemy ships while their in port
- In good conditions can decimate enemy battleship fleets many times their size.

Cons:

- Very ineffective in bad weather, needs perfect weather conditions to function properly.
- Italian tech teams are crap, and not good at researching carrier techs.
- Italy's naval doctrine is "Fleet in Being" which favorites Battleships. Shifting doctrine to Base Strike is not an option.
- Can easy be sunk if battleships closes the range.
- Italy's doctrine gives them bad positioning, and we have few good carrier leaders. This puts us at a disadvantage against other navies with better leaders and doctrines.

Airforce

Close Air Support bombers (CAS) or Tactical Bombers (TACs) ?

CAS

Pros:

- More killing power. A few CAS can destroy a moving enemy divisions in hours, or destroy their morale making ground fights easy.
- Pretty cheap, cheap compared to TACs.
- Better at naval attacks.
- More killing power. (I know i wrote it two times, but i did it to point out the awesome killing power a few squadron of CAS has) :p

Cons:

- Low range, needs airports close to the front. (A basic CAS has a range of 250km, while a basic TAC has a range 600, and the difference just gets bigger)

TAC

Pros:

- Good range
- Good allrounder, can be used at all kinds of missions.
- Can be escorted, means less damage taken from enemy interceptors.
- Can do all the things a CAS can, just not as much killing power or as good a naval attack.
- We already have a few squadron of TACs that we could uppgrade.

Cons:

- Not as much killing power as the CAS
- More expensive then the CAS
- Higher fuel and supply consumption.


If they want to, Chief of Navy Nodikus and Chief of Airforce PrinceScamp can "veto" any discussion and just chose what they believe are best for their branch.

For the Navy I vote to construct at least 1 battleship and focus other production of carriers. Carriers seem to be the future but it would be wise to have at least 1 battleship at our disposable to fight the British navy in the meddertarian should the time arise.

For the airforce I suggest we focus on CAS. I hear they were used well by the Germans in Poland, softening up enemy land forces before the Tanks rolled in.

For the Navy I vote to construct at least 1 battleship and focus other production of carriers. Carriers seem to be the future but it would be wise to have at least 1 battleship at our disposable to fight the British navy in the meddertarian should the time arise.

For the airforce I suggest we focus on CAS. I hear they were used well by the Germans in Poland, softening up enemy land forces before the Tanks rolled in.

Really? The Germans haven't fought in Poland since sometime around 1914-1915. However i have heard they're being used by the Germans with great success in Spain right now ;)

Really? The Germans haven't fought in Poland since sometime around 1914-1915. However i have heard they're being used by the Germans with great success in Spain right now ;)
Errr yeah that's what I meant:blush:.

I of course mean that my intelligence sources tell me that they plan on using them in Poland in the future, and that Spain is currently being used as a testing ground for this!:mischief:

Battleship and TAC

TAC is far better suited for us. The CAS range is too limited and the fact that TAC are good all rounders will prove helpful in the long run. Our IC aint that great, so the more we do with less is good. Escorted will also prove helpful. So I say we go for interceptors and TAC.
Interdiction and Ground attacs. Runway cratering will all be performed by the same planes. Easier to research doctrines afterwards.

Battleships. I just love big ships.... they look nice.
No seriously, carriers are the future, at least the allies think it is.
But, do we have enough to change our naval doctrines to suit a carrier force? I think not.
We should stick with what we know on naval fronts.

Besides, While I was on a undercover mission in England I was able to steal some documents of the Royal Navy. These are the basis of constructing a Surface to Surface fleet.
There is also a few ways to set up a navy according to the Brits!
Document RN-107.34 (http://www.paradoxian.org/hoi2wiki/index.php/Naval_Primer#Surface_action_group_.28SAG.29) ------ click to see document.

I'd say focus on battleships with light carriers for support.
TAC sounds lioke it would be far more useful overall.

Franco should currently be a Field Marshal, in my games he starts in the pocket that sorrounds Gibralter.

I find it interesting that you get Rep. Spain victories alot, today I got the first ever Rep. victory that I can remember and thats only because I actually sent 24 divisions.

I've been busy all weekend with work and family stuff, but tomorrow is a holliday so il try to get an uppdate then. In the mean time feel free to keep discussing or say someting clever.

I don't really see battleships providing much help unless we intend to launch large-scale naval operations against the British - carriers and medium warships would probably work better in the Mediterranean. What are our plans on naval bombers?

It dawns on me that starting this right before the exams period might not have been a smart decision.

On naval bombers: I don't want to build a large airforce of naval bombers cause i feel their to overpowered. But we start with 3 squadrons, and il probably build 1 more to get 4.

I also have another problem, Nat Spain refuses to supply my troops, this is why you dont rely on an allies supply chain overseas :lol:

I don't really see battleships providing much help unless we intend to launch large-scale naval operations against the British - carriers and medium warships would probably work better in the Mediterranean. What are our plans on naval bombers?

What are the implications of switching naval force to a carrier force?

I mean I did it with the germans in another game I had to wait 2 years before getting some keels wet. I just imagine with the limited production of the italians.

you guys are giving me the tought of starting my own AAR with a stupid country.
The sounds of the bongs, a Jamaican AAR

You'd have to give it independence first.

Actually you would have to create them first, as they aren't an available nation in HoI2.

they are in Armageddon :p

they are in Armageddon :p

They don't have ministers though; or leaders, and only three tech teams. You had better make some (PS: their tag is U89).