We have been talking for a while, but now it's official;)

Participants, in the turn order, are:

1)Burlicconi: Hayana Capac (Inca) GMT + 1

2) Unkle: Tokugawa (Japan) GMT + 2

3)Shifty: Montezuma (Aztec) GMT - 5

4) Indovinelo: Mansa Musa (Mali) GMT -7

5) Slaze: Victoria (England) GMT - 8

6) Shogu: Justinian I (Byzanty) GMT + 1

Last relevant turn: 3360 to shogu

This will be PBEM game for 5-7 players, and we are searching for 1-3 players more. Settings are listed below, and some details are left for discussion.

* Version: BTS 3.13
* Difficulty Level: Noble
* Map: Fractal
* Size: Standard
* Climate: Temperate
* Sealevel: Medium
* Era: Ancient
* Speed: Normal
* Victory types permitted: All
* Game Turn Limit: 0
* City Elimination Limit: 0
* AIs: None


In- game preferences:

* Tech Trading: On
* Barbarians: ON
* Goody Huts: ON
* Vassal States: NO
* Random Events: YES



This game will last months, so if you don't have patience, please don't start. In order to make game as quick as we can, we'll try to make optional player's turn schedule. So, every player must write his time zone. If you don't know which time zone is yours, THIS (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/) will be very helpful.
This game is planed to play about one turn per day. Of course, if it can be quicker, it's great. The best way to do this is to play your turn immediately when you receive the save. If you can, of course. We all have our private life and it's quite reasonable that we sometimes will not be able to play our turns for hours, even days sometimes, but when we can, play it immediately ;)

If we all show good interest, maybe some multiplayer session will be organized, which will much increase the game speed.

*Like all good and honest players :D we will make some pre- game deals.
For example, you can not contact leader if you don't meet him in the game. This is to make things naturally.

*Also, if two civs are in war, they can not gift cities to any third party. This is to avoid the scenario when player A is very close to capture city from player B and then player B gift his city to player C who isn't in war.

*No war for first 20 turns!
And, after declaration of war and eventually peace, players which were in war can not trade tech between themselves for next X turns.

*If some player thinks that he can add some new deal, please feel free to share your thoughts with us ;)

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So, our leaders are:

Shifty: Montezuma (Aztec) GMT - 5

Burlicconi: Hayana Capac (Inca) GMT + 1

Atillathewin: Bismarck (Germany) GMT - 4

Unkle: Tokugawa (Japan) GMT + 2

Shogu: Justinian I (Byzanty) GMT + 1

Slaze: Victoria (England) GMT - 8

When game starts, I'll keep information about last relevant turn.

ok well i'm going to get all this started, here is my votes for this game.

Tech Trading: yes

Vassal States: no

Random Events: yes

OK, i started the game. I will send save file to Unkle now.
I send you ll PM with e-mail address of the next player.
BUT, it's much easier to send save file via game, but you you need to know your smtp server. I already filled all emails, you just need to go to [B]Your Deatils-> smtp server[\B] and put yours there. After done that, every turn can be send within the game.
Also, the first time you receive save file, you will be asked for password. I haven't put any password in it, so you choose whatever you want, but remember that chosen password will be until the end of the game (how smart I am ;p)

So, best luck for all of us and hope this will be great game!

P.S. Remember to play your turn immediately when you can ;)

All of you check if something is wrong. I checked, but if I missed something, is better if we spot it now
:D

looks like we got our first problem. looks to me like we have a patch conflict. Atillathewin if i wer you i would check that you have the newest patch. check my post on the other thread if you don't know how.

p.s. can we post on this thread when we send after our turn?

O course, you can post when you send save file, and if we make a small delay, I will update last relevant turn on the first page....

About patch conflict- It was said that version is 3.13. Atillathewin, you must update your version to 3.13. it's not a big deal at all, just in the game menu go to ADVANCE->CHECK FOR NEW VERSION

At the end, where our save is?

I think its still stuck at Unkle. did he update yet?

If save is at Atilla, Unkle must already played his turn?
probably we will know tonight, but I'm sure that Atilla just needs to update to latest patch...

well this is going a little slower then a turn a day :) should go better after the first few rounds.

Yeah, Atilla nas some problems, but I'm sure when we solve it game will get pace ;)

yea, hopefully no one else has any problems. i already check my pach and all that after this hole thing started.

I had very long chat with Atilla last night, and he has some strange problems...
I don't know how to solve it, sometimes problem is in patch, sometimes in .dll files, and it's very annoying....
I hope Atilla would solve it soon, if not this game will not continue... '(

I had very long chat with Atilla last night, and he has some strange problems...
I don't know how to solve it, sometimes problem is in patch, sometimes in .dll files, and it's very annoying....
I hope Atilla would solve it soon, if not this game will not continue... '(

what? i mean i would like to see atilla play with us, but if he's having problems lets not just scrap the hole game!

Well, if Atilla can not play, we can always start a new game.
When Atilla fixes his patch or something, we will continue our game...
I would like from other users their opinions about this problem...
If we agree, I can start a new game soon, maybe even tonight?

Let's stat a new one. 5 players on a small fractal

yes, if 5 of us remain, that will be small map...

well hold one, Burlicconi is the only one that knows whats going on. what did he try already? did he try totaly uninstalling all of civ, rebooting. then reinstalling and then patching? i don't know exactly how civ runs, but this NORMALY will fix problems of this kind. but again i don't really know what the problem is, so it is kind of guess work.

if all that fails i have a really good reg cleaner (windows only) that might also help. the only problem is that i don't really see Atillathewin post to much or for very long so i don't know if we will go all this time helping him for him to just leave after 20 turns.

Atilla has some strange problem. It said that he already has patched to version 3.13, but in the game menu->about this build says he is 3.01 version. When he tries to load PBEM save, it says that versions don't match, and when he tries to load single- player- save that I sent to him, it calls for .DLL error. I googled for a while, but I can no find anything "revolutionary" , and I really don't know what's wrong. Maybe some stuff with his directX settings, but I'm not such confident as I was before.
We'll wait until tomorrow, to hear some news from Atilla, and finally make decision...

bummer! hate to leave him behind, but i would like to get this game started.

I'd be interested in filling in as a replacement.

riddling@juno.com

mountain time, btw

If Atilla agrees, then you can become replacement, but if not, we can start new game.
I think you are the GMT -7, so maybe you can step in as replacement..But, maybe the best will be to organize new game...

P.S. Wen will you be able to play your turns most often?

Sorry I cannot help on the technical issue we are facing.
Getting a new player is fine with me, but at this point we may as well restart.

uh yea it would deffinetly be restarting the game. its just that we will be able to stay with the same # of players.

Yes, I am at GMT -7. I'm a stay-at-home dad so I could play my turns at pretty much any time of day.

perfect, i think we are going to give him about another 12 hours. but if by then he still dosn't know whats going on we'll start a new one with you. by the way if it all goes down like that what leader do you want?

I'd just as soon play a random leader but if you'd rather I picked one I guess I'd go with Mansa Musa.

So, Mansa Musa?
I'll wait until tomorrow, and then i will start new game...
Indo, you must send me your mail...

my e-mail address: riddling@juno.com

ok, whats the new play order?

ok got the game, and made my first move. sent to Indovinello.

can i play or is it too late?

sorry it to late, we have already started.

sent to Slaze

wrong turn, please resend the right one

Sorry. Hate to be tech ignorant, but could someone please tell me how to find out what my SMTP Server is? I didn't know how to find it so I tried to pass along the game as an attachment through e-mail and apparently that didn't work.

Still didn't work. Not sure how to find SMTP. Sent you a reply email with enough info to properly send saves maunually. good luck

your outgoing mail server (or SMTP) can be found threw your Inter net service provider (or ISP) for instance my ISP is comcast, so by doing quick google search for "comcast smtp" i find that it is (for me) smtp.comcast.net what is your ISP? try doing a google search, and if that fails try calling them and asking. also if you have email threw your ISP (if the email address is the one you got when you sighned up with them) we could check your outlook or outlook express for your smtp.

one last thing on this matter, not all ISP's allow you to send email's that are unsecured. and Civ 4 send (threw the game) unsecured emails. in short you may not even be able to use the ingame send thing.

Hope that helped.

I've tried for a third time to send the game to Slaze. I think this time I might have done it correctly. Sorry, everyone -- this is my first pbem game.

4000 BC to shogu

Is it standard to also put a messsage here when you have completed your turn ? I did not do it, just checking what people expect...

no, but as long as some of us do it it helps keep track of where the turn is

No, it is not wanted always, but I expect to post some information when game enter some big delay...

When is save now? I think we have very decent speed for now...

I already played and send it to shifty.

yea i got it, just going to have to wait till i get off work before i will be able to take my turn. that will be in about 5 hours from now.

**edit**
got off work a little early, made my move.

3960 BC to Slaze

on to shogu

sent 3920 BC

ok today i got the 3920 save for the second day in a row. whats going on?

Shifty, I may very well have screwed up.
Let me check.

EDIT:
Looks like I sent you the correct 3880 file.
Name is: Burlicconi's_PBEM_Game_BC-3880_to_Shifty.CivBeyondSwordSave, email sent through Gmail at 1.34PM, GMT+2.

Is that not what you got ?

ok my bad Unkle, you did send it correctly. some how i was looking at the old one. sorry about that. will send after work today.

3880 to shogu

i think if there where ever a time to use the pitboss server it would be now. things are so slow in the start. i don't know about you guys but i could make any time this saturday work (day or night for me) can anyone else play for a little this saturday?

yes, early start can be very uninteresting or annoying. I'm always for some multiplayer sessions, but we have to make deals which will be good for all...

Would this really work for PBEM? We just sit around waiting for an email to come through every half hour? Sounds like getting five turns accomplished, unless there's anothr way

Would this really work for PBEM? We just sit around waiting for an email to come through every half hour? Sounds like getting five turns accomplished, unless there's anothr way

no, there is a much better way! you can load ANY save's in a pitboss server. that means we can all get on and play like it was a normal pitboss game for a while. when we are done, we save and keep playing PBEM.

I like, let's do :)

like i said this saturday would be the first "good time" for me. we just have to see how it will work out for everyone else.

very doubtful we'll manage to get everyone online at the same time. Saturday is usually a bad day for me (At least cannot be sure of being online at a given time during the day....).

Where is the save currently ? Haven't received it yet, still waiting. I understand first turns are frustrating, but you should play several PBEM in parallel. Or we could restart in a Advance start and/or Medieval if you want quicker action. I tend to not mind games being slow....

Let's keep playing even if we can discuss other game types/speed.

I'm also doubt about this saturday, since I'll probably be absent for a whole day....
How about sunday?
The last save is at SHogu, I updated the first post yesterday...
Shogu hasn't said anything about this delay...

I have sent Burlicconi's_PBEM_Game_BC-3880_to_burlicconi.CivBeyondSwordSave (90KB) about 3 days ago . Got it in my sentbox .

Edit. Ok i am the last so the last save i have recieved is 3920 BC . Slaze resend .

Sorry, 3880 to shogu sent.

Arranging a meeting time should be too hard since we're only in two general timezones; US and Europe. The range of possible times would be in my earliest time, about 30 minutes from now, GMT 14:00, to unkle's latest time, which if it was like, 9:00PM on Sunday would be GMT 19:00. I could do anywhere in there or later.

no i don't really mind a "slow start" i was just thinking we could get things really going. but no big deal, when it works it will all work out.

ok, few days now....is this game dead?

sent 3840BC

I think I can play session tonight, let say after, about 11h GMT...
Tomorrow will be the same situation, I think...

I can try to play tomorrow around 10PM GMT+2 time. If that's fine for all of us, please post how we'll proceed. I've never done any pitboss game so....

So using unkle's time, everyone would be

unkle 2200

burliconni, shogu 2100

shifty 1500

indovinello 1300

me 1200

I don't know if we can get everyone to agree on such short notice

unkle, about proceeding, I believe someone would host the game, and in "multiplayer" under "dircet ip connection" you would enter the host's ip address and a password and log on. I have never done this with a PBEM save so there may be something I'm missing, but it's not much harder than that.

I can make the time.

Agreed on the timing. Can also be one hour later, unless we expect to play for more than 1h30 hour. Need to wake up at five on Monday for a buisness trip so... Should be in bed before 1AM I guess :D

EDIT : And I agree that getting everyone in such a short notice will be tough. Can be done next week-end, either saturday or sunday.

3840 sent.

i won't be able to play tomarrow, sorry its mother's day. mom wants us all to go to the beach. 1:00 just won't work for me. sorry guys. maybe next weekend. i should be able to play saturday or sunday anytime.

sent 3840 BC

3840 to shogu

got it and send

Got into some delay... Played and sent.

happy to see this game still lives! got and sent.

Raba hasn't been on this site from 4.may, so we must wait for him....
If he ever returns...

Raba hasn't been on this site from 4.may, so we must wait for him....
If he ever returns...

Wrong thread, but i understand

Anyway, 3800 to shogu.

I got a save with no... i'm not sure what to call it - interface maybe? All the charts and stuff were taken away. Even when i went into my city screen I get nothing, no ability to click on a button to change production or see what progress my city growth is at. Does anybody know how to change this? Hopefully the next save won't have this problem, but there must be some shortcut key to fix it. Hopefully the same settings won't be in place for shogu.

Yes, wrong thread, sorry for that...
I think i also got such a save once, but just restarted civ and everything was fine...

3760 to shogu

3720 to shogu

nice turn around everyone :)

we are playing quite fast (to pbem standards), which is great !
Nice team of players to be in for sure. Of course, we'll play for more than a year I guess, so we'd better keep going ;)

yeah that is quite fast , sent 3680 BC

got game, founded buddhism, sent on. :-)

yeah, this is excellent pace, last two days :)
With this speed, we can make about 2-3 turns per day...

3680 to shogu

sorry for holding up the game half a day, was away. but made my turn now and sent on.

3640 to shogu

I sent it to Unckle now...

3520 to shogu

I'll be absent for about 10-11 days, and i will not be able to take my turns...
After that, I will continue t o play regular...
Sorry for delay...

3480 to shogu

I played my turn... Sorry for delay, but now I'm back...

Glad to get everybody back ! Let's resume our pace...
Sent to shifty.

3400 to shogu

nice, i started to miss playing this game :) back just in time.

I played my turn....

3360 to shogu

Shogu, are you there?

yeah the last turn i got is 3320 and sent 3280

i receive your save right after my previous post on this thread and I played forward...
So, we're waiting for someone else to play...

Last save I received from you was June 7 (3280).

Played and sent right now...

3240 to shogu

maybe we can speed up? We had great pace at the beginning, and I don't know what happened?

3200 to slaze

3200 to shogu

3160 to shogu

Could you re-send the file i have some problem opening it

probably the new patch issue.
i can not open any 3.17 save, or even start civ 3.17...

Yeah I patched up, which is probablly the problem. I'm hoping not to have to do a dual install, as most of my other games are patching.

I also patched, but I don't know can we continue game if just one of us upgrade to 3.17?

Are you guys all patching ?
I was not planning to patch soon, since I do play some SGOTM (and also other PBEM that are not patching). But if we need to (meaning if a majority of the players are patching) I might try dual setup. Do not really want to, but I'd rather do that than stop the game...

By the way, I am currently moving my family (Paris->Montpellier), which means end of June - beginning of July will not be an easy period. So if we could settle this quickly, that'll be good :)

I'm patched...
Good luck with your new home :)

I guess there is no way we can play in a mix of patched vs non-patched, right ?

ok seems like I need to dual install :(
That's not good, and I cannot spend the time to do it before this week-end...

Sorry for the delay. Finally patched, dual setup was not fully working...
Back to the game now :)

Glad to hear that :D

Have we lost interest here ?
Just checking if we are still playing ;)

What's going on with this game?