Most common:

Isabella
Justinian I
Catherine
Hammurabi
Joao II

Strange, fanatical and aggressive...I find at least one of them in nearly all of my games.

Least common:

Mehmed II
Stalin
Peter
Washington

I have pretty much never gotten these people in a game where I did not specifically select them to be in.

Ragnar (Every Game!)
Mansa
Asoka
JoaII
Bismark

More then any other.

Least would be Joao II and the Incan dude (don't remember his name cause I never see him!)

Most common: Catherine, Sitting Bull, Ghengis Khan, Mao Zedong

Least common: Roosevelt, Sury, Qin Shi Huang, Peter

Almost never: Victoria

Someone explained in another thread that the game chooses the civs first, then the leaders. That's why every civ has an equal chance to be in your game, but if a civ has more than one leader, each individual leader of that civ has a smaller chance to be chosen. That's why we see Shaka and Montezuma so often, while Roosevelt or Washington are less common.

Of course a lot depends on how many games you play. Even 50 games are very few given the large number of leaders in BtS.

Least common : Catherine. Since BTS I've only seen her once, and that was because I specifically picked her to be in the game.

Most common : all the pesky ones I don't want to see.

I"d love to see one game of mine without Ragnar. Must be luck of the Draw I guess.

Someone explained in another thread that the game chooses the civs first, then the leaders. That's why every civ has an equal chance to be in your game, but if a civ has more than one leader, each individual leader of that civ has a smaller chance to be chosen. That's why we see Shaka and Montezuma so often, while Roosevelt or Washington are less common.

Of course a lot depends on how many games you play. Even 50 games are very few given the large number of leaders in BtS.

:goodjob: Izzy a lot, Washington seldom.

Interesting you mention that, bddp--I also almost never see Victoria in my games. Liz and Churchill fairly often, but Vicky? Almost never.

Joao, Suryavarman, Sitting Bull, Bismark, Saladin, and Hammurabi seem to show up in a lot of my games lately.

Five of those are the only leaders of their civilization.

I hardly ever see Pericles unless I choose him, which I do often since I don't like Alexander. Hannibal, Shaka and Mansa Musa seem the most common in my games. I seem to get Stalin the most of the Russian leaders.

Most Common: Zara, Ragnar, Wang Kon, Catherine, Sitting Bull, Hammurabi, Saladin (Almost every game), Gilgamesh

Almost never: Churchill, Stalin, Napoleon, Ramses

I've had Shaka, Ragnar and Bismarck show up most often. They usually start to outstrip me in tech trading and territory if I'm not on my toes and moving quickly to finish wonders and/or fence off key resources.

I've seldom seen Lincoln or Louis XIV as an AI civ, perhaps because I haven't played 50 games in a row yet. Perhaps after I get the new PC and can play Civilization IV with all eye candy enabled...

Is it just me, or is there a hidden modifier that comes into play when choosing AIs?

Ex: Charlemagne cannot be in game because Julius caesar is, and vice versa

Most : Isabella

Least : Charlemagne ( Thank god )

I almost never see Victoria or DeGaulle. In fact, I often forget they're even in the game.

Most Common: Roosevelt (Almost every game), Catherine, Isabella, Qin Shi Huang, Suliman, Montezuma.

Least Common: Gilgamesh, Stalin, Lincoln, Mao, Churchill, Wang Kon.

Louis XIV is in almost every game but never De Gaul or Nappy (I dont think Ive ever played against him post Warlords).
Also I always seem to get Kublai Kahn in every Archapelego game I get

Most: Shaka, Montezuma, Pacal, Joao, Zara, Gilgamesh

Least: Elizabeth, Victoria, Peter, Catherine

Probably my mind playing tricks, but I seem to get the BtS leaders much more often than the vanilla ones.

Most common - Huayna Capac, a few of the agressive guys.

Least common - Boudica, De Gaulle, Stalin, Lincoln, Washington

Most common

Hyuna Capac
Montezuma
Isabella
Ragnar
Alexander

Least Common

Khubli Khan
Mao zedong
Stalin
Percillies

Most Common

Mao Zedong
Tokugawa
Genghis Khan
Montezuma

Least Common

Mansa Musa
Alexander
Shaka
Caesar

Does anyone know if there is any correlation between the leader that the human player chooses and the leader that the various AI choose? If no one knows then perhaps by posting our favorite leaders along with the leaders that we see most and least commonly some pattern will become apparent.....

As for myself, I play as the Aztecs, Zulu, and Japanese alot.

Most Common:
Zara Yaqob
Frederick
Mansa Musa
Ragnar

Least Common:
Chinese Leader....Qin...Shin?....Don't know his name....
Mehmed II
Lincoln
That Incan guy.....

I play mostly as Augustus Caesar of the Romans, Frederick of the Germans, Pericles & Alexander of the Greeks, Gandhi of the Indians and Lincoln of the Americans.

Most common:

Isabella
Justinian I
Catherine
Hammurabi
Joao II

Least common:

Mehmed II
Stalin
Peter
Washington

I've played about 10 - 20 games of civ IV BTS since I got it about 2 months ago (I usually always play to either victory or atleast the end of the tech tree). Who do I always see? Mothatruckin' Ragnar. Every S-I-N-G-L-E game I've played he was there. And he always demands . .. .. .. .! Of course I refuse, and I always war with him once or twice throughout history. ALWAYS.

There are some leaders who I don't even remember exist until I start looking through the leaders looking for someone new to play with. I'd tell you who they are, but I can't remember :lol:

Since about my fifth game i thought: Man there should be not only an option to choose exactly who you're playing against, but also choose who won't show up in the game(or who would show up less often). You'd think if I thought of this after my 5th game, the devs would have thought of it too. Alas.:king:

For me:

Most Common:

Catherine (pesky little witch)
Hannibal
Victoria
Tokugawa

Least:

Washington
Lincoln
Elizabeth
Ramses
Shaka (never seen him, I'm actually looking forward to it)

Does the selection of the Civ the player is using have anything to do with the opponents? Or is it just random?

I usualy see Stalin, as leader of GERMANY too! Though that was only a couple times

Its just selective memory Im sure but I seem to share a border with shaka in almost every game, that jerk has made me lose my last 2 games. One of them he won, the other he attacked me at the end which let tokugawa win a space race (wild I know) by only a few turns.

Most common: Hammurabi, Shaka, Montezuma, Justinian I

Least common: Lincoln, De Gaulle, Peter, Joao II



Anyway, from the responses in this thread, it seems that leaders of single leader civs get selected more than others due to the way to game selects what leaders are in a game. Apart from that, there doesn't seem to be any biases to certain civs.

Every game:

Isabella
Monty
Gandhi

Most games:

Saladin
Louis

Never:

Survy
Charlemagne
Mehmed
Bismarck

To this date, I have not yet played a game that has had Gandhi in it.

Most common - Huayna Capac.

Least common - Sitting Bull.


Does the difficulty level make a difference who you play against??

Um guys, as others have mentioned, for each AI slot the game picks a civ (all equally likely) among civs not used yet, then picks a leader (all equally likely) among leaders of that civ. So leaders of civs with only 1 possible leader are twice as likely as those of civs with 2 leaders and thrice as likely as those of civs with 3 leaders. That explains everything, and the rest is just good ol' conspiracy theories :).

Um guys, as others have mentioned, for each AI slot the game picks a civ (all equally likely) among civs not used yet, then picks a leader (all equally likely) among leaders of that civ. So leaders of civs with only 1 possible leader are twice as likely as those of civs with 2 leaders and thrice as likely as those of civs with 3 leaders. That explains everything, and the rest is just good ol' conspiracy theories :).

Thanks again for the info... I did read IronCrowns explanation. So you're saying it has nothing to do with difficulty whatsoever... I only question that 'cause sitting bull is the sole leader & i hardly ever see him. Probably only luck of the draw!!:undecide:

Most common:

Peter
Mehmed II
Pacal II
Sitting Bull
Asoka

Least common:

Victoria
Washington
De Gaulle


I have not seen Gandhi or Churchill in any of the games I've played.

Thanks again for the info... I did read IronCrowns explanation. So you're saying it has nothing to do with difficulty whatsoever... I only question that 'cause sitting bull is the sole leader & i hardly ever see him. Probably only luck of the draw!!:undecide:

I don't think difficulty level has anything to do with it. I confess I haven't checked the code myself, but that's what I've heard the folks who *do* know the code say.

Lol, I seem to get Sitting Bull all the time, even more than I'd expect from a 1-leader civ, so we probably cancel each other out :).

Since about my fifth game i thought: Man there should be not only an option to choose exactly who you're playing against, but also choose who won't show up in the game(or who would show up less often).
Agreed! I've probably said this to myself about 1000 times already. :)
This way you can still keep the line up random, but without the usual gang of idots.

Least would be Joao II and the Incan dude (don't remember his name cause I never see him!)

huh... that's who I get the most of in my games. Maybe it has to do with who I pick, I mostly pick European civs, does civ 4 follow civ 3 in that it mostly keeps geographical neighbors in RL close to each other?