At this moment I'm seething in cold fury.

I went to war against Spain, my very close neighbour, and captured their capital. I then entered into a 10 turn peace treaty because I wanted to concentrate on building The Great Library and Parthenon, which I did. I then amassed forces to take two more of Isabella's cities, because the captured capital was being choked to death by culture. However, I became surprised when my chariot refused to enter Spanish territory to destroy their only iron mine as a declaration of war.

I speak to Isabella personally and find no option to declare war, so I see what trade arrangements we have, and discover we have a 10 turn peace treaty! Hmmm, I think to myself - I distinctly remember our ORIGINAL treaty expiring. Just to be sure, I load an auto save some 24 turns earlier, when I was in the middle of building the wonders, and I can declare war at that point.

So here I am, watching archers filling a city I want to take, just knowing that soon they will be longbow because Isabella just has to be on the cusp of Feudalism, and there isn't a God damn thing I can do.

Now that I think about it, in past games I've noticed mystery peace treaties with foreign powers elapsing. I don't remember entering into the treaties.

Please, for the love of all that is sane, how the hell can I enter into a treaty not only without my knowledge, but against my will?

When you give or take something to a civ (tech, gold, tribute, whatever), it triggers a 10 turns peace treaty. You probably made an agreement with her.

Did you have any other trades (or demands) with Izzy in the last 10 turns? Any exchange of resources or other trade will automatically institute a 10 turn peace treaty.

I'm flabbergasted! I played through again from an autosave, and discovered what I think happened.

Isabella asks me for aesthetics. In the repeat play through I refuse, amass my army, and all is good. So I can only conclude the first time I inexplicably pressed the wrong option and gave them the tech! I certainly wouldn't have done it on purpose!

This is what you get for playing Civ at 1am obviously...

nothing a world builder auto-declare can't fix :p

Serves you right for trying to destroy poor Izzy. :queen: Better just be glad i wasn't in that game or you would have had even more problems. :mischief:

It's not fair though that the AI can cancel a 10 turn at any time, but the Player must abide by it. It's just one of a few annoying little things that happen in this game. As much as I love this game to death there are times it make me want to pull my hair out. I feel your pain.

It's not fair though that the AI can cancel a 10 turn at any time, but the Player must abide by it. It's just one of a few annoying little things that happen in this game. As much as I love this game to death there are times it make me want to pull my hair out. I feel your pain.

If it really bothers you, you could probably mod in an ability for the human to do the same - and the penalty would be -2 relations with every leader or something.

Serves you right for trying to destroy poor Izzy. :queen: Better just be glad i wasn't in that game or you would have had even more problems. :mischief:

I feel bad, because Izzy was kind enough to send a Buddhist missionary when I was without religion, and she stationed a warrior in my northern borders which protected me from barbarians, but what can I say? The AI programmers have turned me from a peaceful builder into a bloodthirsty paranoid warmonger. What goes around comes around Izzy my dear!

Hmmm about the title change of this thread. I would never use a word like heck.

It's not fair though that the AI can cancel a 10 turn at any time, but the Player must abide by it.

Are you sure about that? I thought it could only happen under unusual circumstances, such as the AP forcing them to declare war?

Yup, it can happen..... How many times I got a AI DOWing me , lose their stack and instantly becoming receptive to a peace agreement :lol: .....

the AI cant' cancel a peace treaty anytime. It's just that the apostolic palace takes precedence over peace treaties.

I extorted all of Huayana Capac's gold out of him with the intention of then attacking him (hey, what's good enough for Cortez with Atuallpa...) then found I couldn't, for ten turns. Didn't realize.

Expletives good, on occasion!

the AI cant' cancel a peace treaty anytime. It's just that the apostolic palace takes precedence over peace treaties.

Or the AI is a vassal state of someone else who DOW on you. You also don't get a 10 Turn Peace Treaty with some trades (i.e. you gift the AI a technology when they didn't ask for it).