I have never had any Vassals refuse my tribute since BTS. I can demand every resource they own and they will give it to me. Any of you see the same thing?

A vassal can refuse your demand for tribute, but if they do, they break free from it and your two civs go back into War with each other.

..... yes im very well aware of that. What I'm asking is has anybody ever seen a vassal refuse tribute before.

I rarely demand things of my vassals since I like to treat them well, but they have refused my tribute before once. I think it was Roosevelt (I don't know who I was, but I remember him oddly), and I'd just been in a long war with someone else, and had to go to peace because my military was taking a bad hit. Roosevelt obviously saw my weakened state as an opportunity to ignore tribute and go to war again

Good thing I only vassalized him to stop the AI from getting his last city anyway, so I sorted him out - but yes it does happen, and it was in a BTS game

only time vassals refuse tribute without declaring war is when demanding a technology.

only time vassals refuse tribute without declaring war is when demanding a technology.

A very frustrating mechanic, but it needed to be implemented to avoid unbalanced and overwhelming snowball warmongering.

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I see that I misunderstood the thread title. I thought you wanted to know if your vassal ever refused your offer of tribute to him, not the other way around.

I've had it happen at least twice, possibly three times. As an earlier poster suggested it is in relation to your relative strength. If your power ranking is relatively low compared to the vassal it is probably not a good time to make demands. If you are far stronger you can demand everything on the trade board and they will usually cough it up.

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..... yes im very well aware of that. What I'm asking is has anybody ever seen a vassal refuse tribute before.

:mischief: Obviously, yes.

Vassals are great for goods I had a feeling they could not refuse that kinda tribute and they don't seem to hate you when you do demand supplies. I usually beeline mining inc and steal all my vassals ore resources to create a powerhouse economy where every city can pump out units in a few turns.

Then its The same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world

(also I'm talking about resources here not techs)

never had a vassal deny my tribute, but it was always a resource.

I had civilized jewlers, and my vassal, the dutch, had gems. i demanded them, he complied, he then lost the mine do to whatever (random event i think), and a few turns later, i demanded them again, since he rebuilt the mine, and he complied again. :D good vassal

I've never had a refusal on tribute from vassals, but I'm usually in a really good relationship with my vassals after we get over capitulation and the war we just fought and start open borders and trade. Does relationship affect tribute refusal in any way (not considering the effect of military strengths)?

They can if you demand powerful resources (Oil, Uranium) or if you demand many resources like fish, crab, iron, copper, etc for corporations

the gems my vassal provided me was for my civilized jewelers, but i should point out that my vassal was 'friendly' due to MANY reasons. Maybe this contributed to the vassal meeting all my requests. If he was 'pleased' or 'cautious' (if a vassal can be cautious with you), he may have not gave me what i asked for.

the gems my vassal provided me was for my civilized jewelers, but i should point out that my vassal was 'friendly' due to MANY reasons. Maybe this contributed to the vassal meeting all my requests. If he was 'pleased' or 'cautious' (if a vassal can be cautious with you), he may have not gave me what i asked for.

Interestingly enough all voluntary vassals are friendly, not matter what and yet capitulated vassals can be of any attitude, depending on the normal attitude modifiers

Interestingly enough all voluntary vassals are friendly, not matter what and yet capitulated vassals can be of any attitude, depending on the normal attitude modifiers
I don't have :bts: yet, so I can't confirm it, but come to think of it, that would make some sense.

I have had vessils refuse my demands for gold. I thought that if a vassil refuesd to comply with a demand from a master the master had the option to DOW on the wayward vassil. I had no such option and ended up loosing the game by 3 turns to that weasel Gandi who gradded a cultural while my space ship was 3 turns from arriving. J Ceasar was the other who refused. It was like they knew I could do nothing about it and just flipped me off for making demands. They were cappitulated vassils. Is there a difference between cappitulated vassils and voluntary?

I have had vessils refuse my demands for gold. I thought that if a vassil refuesd to comply with a demand from a master the master had the option to DOW on the wayward vassil. I had no such option and ended up loosing the game by 3 turns to that weasel Gandi who gradded a cultural while my space ship was 3 turns from arriving. J Ceasar was the other who refused. It was like they knew I could do nothing about it and just flipped me off for making demands. They were cappitulated vassils. Is there a difference between cappitulated vassils and voluntary?

When you ask your vassal for a resource/luxury (horse, gems, bananas etc.) you have the option of saying "Time for your tribute. Refusal means WAR". At this point, the vassal either gives you your resource, or you declare war on them. There's no peaceful way for them to not give you it

With everything else however (gold, gold/turn, techs etc.) you have to ask normally. The vassal will treat this as a normal demand, and can refuse peacefully without consequence

Interestingly enough all voluntary vassals are friendly, not matter what and yet capitulated vassals can be of any attitude, depending on the normal attitude modifiers

That's because most of the time civs will offer themselves as vassals only if they're friendly towards you anyway. Though some will do it at pleased. It's in the reference sheet. Just like some civs will offer a DP at pleased while most will only do it at friendly.

There are exceptions though, and i've seen cautious or annoyed civs offer themselves as vassals when they're afraid of another powerful civ.