Getting the game this weekend. Who should I play as first? I'm a warmonger who highly values science, so I'm looking for a civ suitable (but not necessarily optimized) for that kind of aggressive but enlightened strategy:mischief:. What do you thinK?

Dutch or Holy Roman.

Holy romans are practically invincible during the time they get landsknetchs, and the Dutch have a cool traits ( Though their UB isn't very useful )

Getting the game this weekend. Who should I play as first? I'm a warmonger who highly values science, so I'm looking for a civ suitable (but not necessarily optimized) for that kind of aggressive but enlightened strategy:mischief:. What do you thinK?

The Mighty Vikings (Rangar).

Edit: On a second thought he might not be new to BtS though.
I never had Warlords so he might be in that one.
Either way, play Rangar :)

;6803078']Dutch or Holy Roman.

Holy romans are practically invincible during the time they get landsknetchs, and the Dutch have a cool traits ( Though their UB isn't very useful )

I hope I can remember my Charlemagne: Let my armies be the rocks and the trees, and the birds in the sky, and the landsknetchs.

The Mighty Vikings (Rangar).

My very favorite civ to come out of Warlords ;).

Are you looking for a good civ or leader? if you are look for a good leader try Darius I he is fin/org

Financial = Lots of money

Organized = a lot more money and a large empire

If you really want a cool civ try unrestricted leaders and go for Darius I of the Holy Romans

You guys really know me - the Persians are my favorite Vanilla civ. But I want to get started with the new BtS Civs.

You guys really know me - the Persians are my favorite Vanilla civ. But I want to get started with the new BtS Civs.

You'll like the new music :)

Anyways, If you meet Pacal II who I haven't tried, Get him to annoyed or furious vs you.


His antics are hilarious.

;6803078']Dutch or Holy Roman.

Holy romans are practically invincible during the time they get landsknetchs, and the Dutch have a cool traits ( Though their UB isn't very useful )

It can actually be overpowering on a water map. :D

Try the Ethiopians-Zara Yaqob. Oromo Warriors (musketmen UU) are a great UU-plus they start with Drill 1 + Drill 2 promotions that remain when the unit is upgraded. Drafted Oromos :goodjob:

;6803078']Dutch or Holy Roman.

Holy romans are practically invincible during the time they get landsknetchs, and the Dutch have a cool traits ( Though their UB isn't very useful )

You are out of your mind ;) if you think the dutch UB isn't awesome, I'd even venture to say it is the best UB addition in BTS. The Dutch turn into an absolute production powerhouse late game even with sup-optimal cities.

I would agree with Darius beeing great to play, the early immortal rush is just so satisfying, but has to be very early, and then the cash just keep coming in. Even on Monarch if you are lucky, and really beeline rifles, you can have rifles up against longbows and maces and you don't even need to bother with reducing city defenses much as the odds are so good.

I barely play him anymore as its seems like cheating. Good to learn the new expansion with though

Sitting Bull. Love that guy.

Try the Ethiopians-Zara Yaqob. Oromo Warriors (musketmen UU) are a great UU-plus they start with Drill 1 + Drill 2 promotions that remain when the unit is upgraded. Drafted Oromos :goodjob:
Seconded.

Sitting Bull. Love that guy.
The best thing when you play Sitting Bull is that you won't face Sitting Bull. :p

The Mighty Vikings (Rangar).

Edit: On a second thought he might not be new to BtS though.
I never had Warlords so he might be in that one.
Either way, play Rangar :)

My 1st BTS game was with Ragnar -berzerkers are the epidemy of war mongers!!

Joao II is a real pain in the...

The carack is pretty awesome if you have the gold to expand.

;6803078']Dutch or Holy Roman.

Holy romans are practically invincible during the time they get landsknetchs, and the Dutch have a cool traits ( Though their UB isn't very useful )

The Dutch UB is extremely strong. Think a coastal city with rivers. You can cottage spam while keeping a very good production rate, in that case it is OP. The bad side is that it is rather situational.

Dutch on Archipelego... playing now just got Steam Power. Looking over how many water tiles I have makes me so happy. 2 F, 1 P, 3 C on each coastal tile is just amazing. Wish I still had the collosus.

My 1st BTS game was with Ragnar -berzerkers are the epidemy of war mongers!!

Joao II is a real pain in the...

Joao II has replaced Monty on my list of " Most annoying pathetic leaders "

Holy Romans(good traits, build up an empire early on, spam Rathauses and then go Landsneckt crazy), Byzantines( great UU, good for culture victories).

Hard to say which is best because everyone has there own tastes warmonger or not. I suggest to fire up a few small land mass/few Ai games and test the new ones out for yourself.

My Favorite Leaders Over all are:
Suryavarman of Khmer
Ragnar of Vikings
Sitting Bull of Native Americans
Willem van Oranje of the Dutch
and Charlemagne of HRE.

Of all of the Civ's that are good, and there is a lot of those, there are a few stinkers out there especially for warmongering IMO. Stay away from Gilgamesh of Sumerian, as his UU's are horrible. I also don't care for Pacall II of Maya for the same reason(although it's neat that all of his pre modern troops have a different look to them).

Those are all personal opinions so don't judge based on my experiences. Hopefully you'll find a few you really enjoy playing.

Double post, please delete.

Any aggressive or impirialisted civ works for me. But try Ceasar first, I think my first win in BTS was with Caesar, he has an overpowered UU, which if properly promoted is useful all the way to riflemen.

The Mighty Vikings (Rangar).

Edit: On a second thought he might not be new to BtS though.
I never had Warlords so he might be in that one.
Either way, play Rangar :)

Indeed. Or play his evil twin Ragnar. He's good too. :crazyeye:

Byzantines are great for religious wars and general warmongering along with their Cataphracts, the knights' equivalent to praetorians (12:strength:) are murder for enemy units

I love the Dutch. The only problem is they are quite situational. Extremely powerful when they have lots of coast, while on land maps their UU and UB are pointless.
My first BTS game was Dutch on archipelago. I got wheat, 2 seafood, Iron (or possibly copper) in my BFC with ~12 water tiles, and a river through most of the land ones at my capitol. Maoi and Dike created one heck of a city.

Portuguese are pretty good on archipelago, too. You get first dibs on any unpopulated continents and with a financial leader and a feitoria, their coastal cities can be quite rich (if only the feitoria was available during early overseas expansion). The Carrack is also a great UU on a terra map.

But, yeah it really depends on how you play. I prefer archipelago and island maps and like to be an early builder and late game warmonger, so those are great civs for me.

If you've played this long, and posted here 1700 times, I doubt we can offer anything you can't figure out for yourself. ;)

If you've played this long, and posted here 1700 times, I doubt we can offer anything you can't figure out for yourself. ;)

Oh, you'd be surprised how slow a learner I am. But the point is that I don't have BtS yet (waiting for a copy to reach me in Korea) and I was curious which Civs I should play first. I have a real job now (unlike in 2004-2006 when I posted 1,650 times) so I don't have time to play them all through.

well for BTS the best new civ to try would be the dutch. With a good leader, good traits and well they are pretty good

for new leaders, i would play as Charles de Gaulle. His traits are Charismatic and industrious. You cant get much better than that.

Wow, it's not every day you see Churchill commending du Gaulle!

Boudecia, as India. Powerhouse, you rock at peace and at war.

as for me, Sumeria is best for warmongering. Their UB allows to conquer a vast empire very early in the game, so further develop and domination will be easier.

Boudica's traits seem pretty good for warmongering. I think the Celts start with Mysticism too, so depending on your difficulty-setting, and your starting position, you might be able to snag an early religion, giving your economy a boost (or just conquer a holy city).

Wow, it's not every day you see Churchill commending du Gaulle!

yeah its rare i know

Boudica of Rome ? :D lol

Hannibal/Carthage. Financial for the science, Charismatic for the military.

I would play Maya or Sitting Buill (native american sounds idiotic for a civilization name). They are two of the strongest civs in the game together with the Inca empire; provided, of course, you play as a very aggressive early warmonger.

;6804631']Joao II has replaced Monty on my list of " Most annoying pathetic leaders "
No, I welcome Joao as a neighbor because he builds cities for me, and ensures that they are right up against my borders - less settlers for me to build the better. Sitting bull however, that guy.. ugh... :nuke:

No, I welcome Joao as a neighbor because he builds cities for me, and ensures that they are right up against my borders - less settlers for me to build the better. Sitting bull however, that guy.. ugh... :nuke:

Joao II demands every tech you get, making you get -1 every time. Which makes him annoying.

;6821899']Joao II demands every tech you get, making you get -1 every time. Which makes him dead.
:scan: 10 char and stuff like that, y'know what I mean...

That doesn't metter when you are about to wipe him out, though :)
Never had him as a neighbour (that lasted long enough for me to care), but when left alone, Joao (and Sury) seem to do fairly well.

Dog soldiers are pretty good Sitting bull is not bad.