Leaderheads
High Quality:
North Korea: Kim Yong-Il
Russia: Vladimir Putin
Iran: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Latin Socialists: Fidel Castro
Georgia: Mikheil Saakashvili
United States of America: Barack Obama
Venezuela: Hugo Chavez

Placeholders:
Pakistan: Pervez Musharraf (CivGold's Musharraf or Pinochet (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=272072))
Canada: Stephen Harper (FDR)
Israel: Ehud Olmert (bernie14's Trudeau (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257597))

No Art:
Mexico: Felipe Calderón
China: Wen Jiabao
India: Manmohan Singh
Colombia: Álvaro Uribe
Brazil: Lula da Silva
Argentina: Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
Myanmar: Than Shwe
Japan: Yasuo Fukuda
Australia: Kevin Rudd
Philippines: Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo
Indonesia: Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono
Saudi Arabia: Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz
Sudan: Omar Hassan al-Bashir
South Africa: Thabo Mbeki
European Union: José Manuel Barroso
Permanent Neutrality: Micheline Calmy-Rey
NATO: Jaap de Hoop Scheffer
Independent African States: Muammar al-Gaddafi
African Union: Jakaya Kikwete
Taiwan: Chen Shui-bian
South Korea: Lee Myung-bak
Nigeria: Umaru Yar'Adua
Kazakhstan: Nursultan Nazarbaev
Palestine: Mahmud Abbas
Egypt: Hosni Mubarak
Syria: Bashar al-Assad
Thailand: King Bhumibol Adulyadej
Vietnam: Nguyễn Minh Triết

For these, the following leaderheads may work as placeholders or even HQ leaders:
Adenauer (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=172&order=desc&page=2) by Refar
Mobutu Sese Soko (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=270853) by Ekmek
Michael Collins (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257378) by C Roland
Mackenzie King (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257149) by C Roland
Miguel Hidalgo (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257884) by C Roland
Lazaro Cardenas (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255827) by C Roland
Lech Walesa (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=259618) by bernie14
Tito (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=251642) by Garret
Ben Gurion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=264517) by Ekmek
Marine(s) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=273977) by bernie14

Buildings:
Corporations:
Exxon Mobil - No art
Wal-Mart Stores - Supermarket on repo
ING Group - No art
HSBC - Bank building on repo
Toyota Motor - No art
Gazprom - No art
State Grid - No art

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request: please find a home for the old ho chi minh LH

EDIT : psst.........use Civgold's Clark(New Zealand) LH for gloria macapagal arroyo

I think if we could put glasses on William Mackenzie King (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257149) it could make a decent Kevin Rudd placeholder.

King:
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9647/kingaq1.jpg

Rudd:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4748/kevinruddal4.jpg


If we could get rid of the hat... Michael Collins (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257378) for Nicolas Sarkozy, that is if we decide to use him as head of the EU.

Collins:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/276/collinswm6.jpg

Sarkozy:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1828/nicolassarkozytg0.jpg


I'm looking around now, I'll update this post if I can think of more. However as you can see I'm going to be terrible at this. NikNaks you may not want my advice here. :lol:

Alternately, if we are going to use José Manuel Barroso for the EU... Lech Walesa (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=259618) would work if we could darken his hair and get rid of his mustache.

Walesa:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5354/walesamqo1.jpg

Barroso:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/228/barrosotc8.jpg

For Canada we are probably going to have to be switching between Harper and Michael Ignatieff. Maybe Ekmek's Reagan?


Reagan:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2332/reaganws1.jpg


Ignatieff:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4871/ignatieffop5.jpg

On a side note, I think we have to replace Musharraf with Asif Ali Zardari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Ali_Zardari).

Too bad because there is already a Musharraf, and I can't even see a placeholder for Zardari.

Manmohan Singh:
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4642/389pxmanmohansingh04052nd1.jpg

Ekmek's Abu Bakr:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2250/abubakrbg7.jpg


That is a reach without real modifications.

This one is alright:

Ekmek's Robert E. Lee:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6650/leeqd3.jpg


as Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6273/llkw4.jpg


...and maybe:

C. Roland's Cardenas (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255827):
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/cardenas_KhY.jpg

as...

Bashar al-Assad:
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/934/syriabasharalassadaj3.jpg


Although, it would be ideal to have a custom Bashar al-Assad to fully represent the giraffe neck.


EDIT:

Would civ gold Ataturk be better for al-Assad?:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4440/atacz7.jpg

Actually that one is way off anyway.

We'll have to ask Ekmek and the other LH designers if they mind us using their work for this purpose.

I'll look around for more this weekend. Anyone else please feel free to post your ideas for placeholders!

These are great :) Just the kind of thing I need.

Actually, for Singh, I think we should take Churchill's head, and put him in another less corpulent body. Then add a new turban and facial hair and voila!

For Lula, I think we should take Mehmed, take away the turban, and maybe change the length of the beard. We should tan him up a bit, too (lots of sun in Brazil).

Wasn't Hu Jintao the leader of China, though?

That would be great for Singh.

I think you're right about Hu Jintao. Hu's the President. Wen's the Prime Minister. (Abbott and Costello jokes don't work with spelling and punctuation)

For Uribe:
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7175/uribedf0.jpg

we can use

Civ Gold's (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=217) Curtin:
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2408/curtinvv3.jpg


I had a hard time finding one for Mubarak.

Mubarak:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2851/mubarakzy2.jpg

the best I could do is

Civ Gold's Suharto:
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3603/suhartobw2.jpg

Calderon:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2774/calderonjs2.jpg

Another hard one.

maybe

Kekkonen from CivGold:
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3870/kekkonenxs1.jpg

Hu Jintao

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6218/hujintaodh5.jpg

Civ Gold's Botha
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/226/bothaxo2.jpg

or

Hirohito? Also from civ Gold.
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/7973/hirohitoif7.jpg

Unfortunately I have no experience modifying or creating leaderheads, so I don't know which features are easiest to change. If someone wants to point out which of the examples I've posted will work best/worst and why, that may help me make better selections.



Cristina Fernández de Kirchner:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3771/kirchnerkx2.jpg

One of these may work.

Mary Queen of Scots:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3294/maryal8.jpg

or

Margrete I:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2465/margrete1sx9.jpg

Both from civ Gold, clearly I'm pulling most of these from there right now, in addition to Ekmek's great work.

Than Shwe:
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1156/generalthanshwedr0.jpg

This is another hard one, that would be great for someone to pick up and do a total custom job.

Best I've found so far

Andranik from civgold:
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7924/andranikvw6.jpg

Japan's (updated) leader Taro Aso:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5245/taroasocroppedhy0.jpg

This one seems likely to change around also, so I wouldn't recommend anyone spend too much time on it.

Nelson Mandela from civgold?:
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7751/mandelaix2.jpg

As Kao'chai suggested, we can use civgold's Clark:

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/198/clarkpi1.jpg

for

Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1637/gloriamacapagalarroyodauc8.jpg

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono:
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3959/yudhoyonotd5.jpg

how about

Maghred Hassan II:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9402/hassancf6.jpg

or perhaps

Ajatashatru:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3334/yudmy6.jpg


Again both from the amazing civ gold (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=217) mod.

King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7261/kingabdullahoe2.jpg


How about Ekmek's Abdul Aziz Al Saud from petromod (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=277776):

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1530/azizdo3.jpg

Omar Hassan al-Bashir:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8375/bashirid6.jpg


Obasanjo:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9108/obbmq2.jpg

Jacob Zuma (updated South African leader):
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8657/zumanc6.jpg

This would be a cool one for someone to do some work on, Zuma will probably be leader for a while.

perhaps we could use

Eyadema from civ gold:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6336/daarlp3.jpg

If we're using Micheline Calmy-Rey as leader of Permanent Neutrality:
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/994/michelinecalmyrey2008ex3.png

Again maybe Civ Gold'sMary Queen of Scots:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3294/maryal8.jpg

As for NATO, I would agree with the suggestion made in another thread about using Gordon Brown. Does he have a leaderhead floating around somewhere? I can't find one.

NikNaks since you're in the UK I'll let you figure this one out on your own. :-)

Gaddafi:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8546/gaddafiid0.jpg

I have no idea. Anyone have a suggestion?

Jakaya Kikwete:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/754/jakayakikwetehkr3.jpg

perhaps

Eric Williams from civgold:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6720/jkzl5.jpg

Ma Ying-jeou (updated leader of Taiwan):
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4/maks6.jpg

Struggled with this one, best I could do:

civ gold's Bolivar:
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1221/bolivarjq0.jpg

Lee Myung-bak:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9871/leemyungbak2005kl6.jpg


Ekmek's Metternich?:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4575/metko4.jpg


I think it's the facial expression.

Umaru Yar'Adua:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9992/wefou3.jpg


could we get rid of the beard and clothes of civ gold's Alooma?:
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6453/wesfxz6.jpg

Nursultan Nazarbaev:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4338/nursultannazarbayev2709hu5.jpg

I can't decide which... but if we can alter their hair, I think either of these would work nicely:

Ben-Gurion:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3825/bgqq4.jpg

or

Hidalgo:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8718/47648550ga1.jpg


We could also use Walesa if we can get rid of the mustach (see first page)

(all from Civ gold)

Ismail Haniyeh (Palestine):
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5444/haniyehkv9.jpg


civ gold Ashurbanipal:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7893/asbn7.jpg

King Bhumibol Adulyadej:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7324/adulyadejbhumibolpb3.jpg

I really don't know what to use for him. Anyone?

Nothing stood out at all. The closest I can come up with is:

Nampoina from civ gold:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/703/kingyk8.jpg

Nguyễn Minh Triết:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3328/ngminhtrietlui3.jpg

Something tells me that with some modifications, we could make Ekmek's Constantine look like Nguyễn Minh Triết.

Constantine:
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5307/contjn3.jpg

I guess that leaves Pakistan,

Asif Ali Zardari:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7774/asifalizardariwp7.jpg

...either


C. Roland's Cardenas (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255827):
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads/cardenas_KhY.jpg

or

Ekmek's Franz Joseph:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4858/franzdn8.jpg

or

Civ gold's Riel:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4589/asifrg4.jpg

or

Civ gold's Songtsen Gampo:
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8093/sonqt6.jpg

maybe not

One of those should do the trick I hope.

That's everyone I think.

Unless we decide to include Ukraine and Belarus (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=301906). In that case, civ gold has an amazing Viktor Yushchenko, so you can chalk up Ukraine in the high quality category.

If we include Belarus we'll need

Alexander Lukashenko:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8320/lucsx5.jpg


I'll wait until I hear if they are going in before I look around for a placeholder for him.

BTW CivGold has a Yulia Tymoshenko leaderhead. Don't know what it looks like but in general I'd love to see Yulia instead of Viktor. :)
VY is head of the state but YT is head of the executive...

I made icons for ideologies. Here they are:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=202786&stc=1&d=1233935008

from left to right
African, Amerindian, Eastern, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Orthodox, Western

I first made icons for Cultural Ideologies since it's the ones we have a undisputed list of. If we decide to go for Political Ideologies and can agree on a list then I'll of course make icons for them instead. Although it's no secret that I think political ideologies are a difficult subject in a present day mod (after the capitalism walkover...).

But anyway, let me know what you think of those icons. At the moment I have no access to the SVN so maybe someone else can blend the icons in the right files. If needed I'll make smaller versions for the city bar including those with a star for "holy cities". And pedia buttons of course.

Beautiful work buddy!

I made icons for ideologies. Here they are:
Although it's no secret that I think political ideologies are a difficult subject in a present day mod (after the capitalism walkover...).


Regrettably, you are correct. The modern world is less ideologically-sensitive than the old, Cold War world, thanks to neoliberalism. People care less about being right and more about being rich.

However, as pretty as your buttons are, using cultures as ideologies is still a forced and inappropriate idea. A country can't convert to or adopt a different culture than the one it already has, and being nicer to people with the same culture is less in line with the modern world situation (where trade is the main factor in international relations), not more. I still stand by my old idea of most of the ideologies I wanted to add; the only difference is neoliberalism, because, as I've said, it is in many ways more of an anti-ideology than anything else, and Obama does not believe in it to the extent that Clinton and Bush did.

A country can't convert to or adopt a different culture than the one it already has

Of course not. The cultural ideology has to be present to "convert" to it. Being present in a city different Cultural Ideologies represent people of different ethnics who share different values and beliefs.
I'd say one of the recent "conversions" happened in Bolivia. This would be equal to a change of State Cultural Ideology from Western to Amerindian. Another one would be the end of the Apartheid in South Africa: State Cultural Ideology switched from Western to African.

and being nicer to people with the same culture is less in line with the modern world situation (where trade is the main factor in international relations)

No. For example the difficulties for Turkey to become member of the EU come from the problems the old EU states have with Turkey's different culture. And this is being frankly admitted.

This is exactly how the modern version of official racism works. It is justified not by biological means as it was the fact 50-100 years ago but by cultural means ("they don't share our values..."). And it does affect international relations as shown above. We must have means to simulate this.

We already have means to simulate
- trade related effects to relations ("...appreciate the years you supplied us with resources...")
- politically related effects to relations ("...you have wisely chosen your civics...") <--- that's why I don't see the necessity of adding another political relations factor with political ideologies

What's clearly missing are means to simulate the culture effects on diplo relations. This should be weighed much less than the trade and politically related effects but there has to be a penalty when a Western or Jewish civ is negotiating with a Muslim civ. And there has to be a bonus when two Latin American civs are negotiating with each other.

People care less about being right and more about being rich.



I'm on my way out the door and unfortunately can't really get involved in this discussion until tomorrow, but I must say, I couldn't agree with this statement less.

There is a huge, worldwide resistance to neo-liberalism and in favour of social justice. Primarily in the global south.

No poor country has ever voted for neo-liberalism.

That discussion will be continued in the ideologies thread. :)

Ian, I'll take those I icons and make the different versions myself. :goodjob: I can already use the original Firaxian Hindu, Islamic and Jewish icons.

Excellent!
But as you can see I changed the original Hindu, Islamic and Jewish icons a little to make it clearer that the Cultural Ideologies aren't identical to Civ's religions. So you probably should either use my icons to make all the different versions or change the colors of the Firaxian icons so they match.

I'll change the colors :goodjob:

I'll change the colors :goodjob:

You mean colours..? I thought you were from England.. :crazyeye:

I am, but this is a largely american-english forum, so you get into habits. When writing, I keep the u's ;)

We need leaderheads for:

Benjamin Netanyahu
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Benjamin_Netanyahu.jpg/225px-Benjamin_Netanyahu.jpg

No idea, really.

Jacob Zuma
http://frontlineclub.com/events/zuma.jpg

A mix between Churchill and Mansa Musa, perhaps. Whatever we choose, he needs a huge nose.