Land Units:
Modern Armor
AFV
New Class, default mechanized infantry, but now counts as armor, not gunpowder
Jet Fighter
Stealth Bomber
Marine
Anti-Tank
SAM
Paratrooper
Conscripted Soldiers

Air Units:
Gunship

Sea Units:
Carrier: Big and small maybe
Attack Sub:
Nuclear sub: Carries missiles
Destroyer: Air defence; can see subs
Frigates: Anti sub; could be merged with destroyer

Other Miscellaneous Units:

Air Units
5th Generation Jet Fighter:
- F-35 Lighting II\JCA (US\UK\Italy) (In low level production)
- F-22 Raptor (US) (Only 5th generation in service)

4.5th Generation Jet Fighter
- Eurofighter Typhoon (UK\Germany\Spain\Italy)
- F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (US)
- F-16 Block 50/52 and later models (US)
- Chengdu J-10 (PRC)

4th Generation Jet Fighter
- Panavia Tornado (UK\Germany\Italy)
- JF-17 Thunder (PRC\Pakistan)
- Sukhoi Su-27 (USSR)
- Mikoyan MiG-31 (USSR)
- Dassault Mirage 2000 (France)
- F-16 Fighting Falcon
- F/A-18 Hornet (US)

3rd Generation Jet Fighter
Most likely the most basic types to be seen in the game seen mainly in African countries, they should be non buildable starting units to reflect the fact none of the countries with the capability to build them no longer do so
- Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/bis 'Fishbed' (USSR)
- Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 'Flogger' (USSR)
- Sukhoi Su-17 'Fitter' (USSR)
- F4 Phantom II (US)
- Northrop F-5 (US)

Stealth Bomber
- B-2 Spirit (US) - ONLY Stealth Bomber in service and with no non US designs even in development, stealth bomber should be a US UU.

Strategic Bombers
- Tupolev Tu-22M (USSR)
- B-52 Stratofortress(US)
- Tupolev Tu-95\Tupolev Tu-142 (USSR)
- General Dynamics F-111 (US)
- Tupolev Tu-160 (USSR\Russian Federation)

Helicopter Gunship
- AH-64 Apache (US)
- Westland WAH-64 Apache (UK)
- Eurocopter Tiger (Germany\Austria\French\Spain)
- Kamov Ka-50 (USSR)
- AH-1 Cobra (US)
- Mil Mi-24 (USSR)
- Mil Mi-28 (USSR)

Air Transport Vessel
- Lockheed C-130 Hercules (US) (medium range & 2 unit airlift)
- Airbus A400M (EU) (medium range & 3 unit airlift)
- C-17 Globemaster III (US) (Medium Range & 3 Unit Airlift)
- Lockheed C-5 Galaxy (US) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)
- Antonov An-124 (USSR) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)

Key: Unit (country where built) (current users) - notes

Naval Units

SSN - Attack Submarine (Nuclear-Powered)
Some of the most modern ones can carry Cruise Missiles for land attack.
UK

Astute class submarine (UK) (UK) (first boat in commission 2009)
Trafalger Class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
Swifture class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unitUS
Virginia class submarine (US) (US)
Seawolf class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
Los Angeles class submarine (US) (US) -non buildable starting unitRussia
Graney class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) (in service 2010)
Sierra I&II class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
Victor III class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unitFrance
Barracuda class submarine (France) (France) (first boat in commision 2016)
Rubis class submarine (France) (France) - non buildable starting unitChina
Type 093 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
Type 091 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unitMultiple Civs
Akula class submarine (USSR) (Russia\India) - non buildable starting unitSSBN - Ballistic Missile Submarine (Nuclear-Powered)Carries 6 SLMBM's

UK
Vanguard class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unitUS
Ohio class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
Red October Class (USSR) (US) - non buildable starting unit :D :lol:Russia
Borei class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) - first commisioned 2008
Typhoon class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non building starting unit
Delta III & IV classes (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unitFrance
Le Triomphant class submarine (France) (France)China
Type 094 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
Type 092 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unitIndia
Advanced Technology Vessel (India) (India) - commisioned in 2012SS - Attack Submarine (Diesel-Electric Power)
Some of the most modern classes can carry cruise missiles for land attack

Europe
Germany
Type 212 submarine (Germany)
Italy
Sauro class submarine (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unit
The Netherlands
Walrus class submarine (Netherlands) (Netherlands) - non buildable starting unit
Norway
Ula class submarine (Germany) (Norway - non buildable starting unit)
Poland
Kobben class submarine (Germany) (Poland) - non buildable starting unit
Portugal
Daphné class submarine (France) (Albacora class Portugal) -Non buildable starting unit
Russia
Lada class submarine (Russia) (Russia)
Spain
S-80 class Submarine (Spain\UK) (Spain) -in service 2011-2014
Sweden
Gotland class submarine (Germany) (Sweden) - non buildable starting unit
Multiple Nations
Type 206 submarine (Germany\Italy) (Germany\Italy) Asia
Iran
Nahang class submarine (Iran) (Iran)
Yugo class submarine (Iran) (Iran) - non buildable starting unit
Israel
Dolphin class submarine (Germany) (Israel) - non buildable starting unit
Japan
Harushio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Oyashio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - last boat commisioned in 2008
Taiwan
Tench class submarine (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
Hai Lung\ Zwaardvis class submarine (Netherlands) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit Americas + Oceania

Australia
Collins class submarine (Australia) (Australia) - non buildable starting unit
Canada
Upholder\Victoria Class Submarine (UK) (Canada) - non buildable starting unit
Ecuador
Type 209: 1300 series (Germany) (Ecuador) Inter-continental
Kilo class submarine (USSR\Russia) (Russia\Algeria\PRC\India\Indonesia (arriving 09)\Iran\Poland\Romania) - non buildable starting unit
Romeo class submarine (USSR) (Russia\PRC\Bulgaria\China\Syria\Egypt\ Nrth Korea) - non buildable starting unit
Foxtrot Class (USSR) (India\Ukraine)
Type 214 submarine (Germany) (South Korea\Greece (due to commision soon)\Turkey)
Type 209 submarine (all sub classes produced by Germany)
1500 (Brazil\India\Portugal (in service 2009))
1400 (Brazil\Chile\South Africa\Turkey)
1200 (Colombia\Greece\Indonesia\South Korea\Peru\Turkey\Venezula)
1100 (Argentina\Peru\Greece)
Södermanland\Västergötland class submarine (Sweden\Singapore) - non buildable unit
Scorpène class submarine (France\Spain\under licence in India) (Chile\India\Malaysia)
Agosta 90B class submarine (France) (Spain\Pakistan) - non buildable starting unitCruisers

Peru
De Zeven Provinciën class cruiser (Netherlands) (Peru) - non buildable starting unitUS
Ticonderoga class Missile cruiser (US) (US) - non buildable starting unitFrance
Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) helicopter cruiser (France) (France) - non buildable starting unitRussia
Kirov class battlecruiser (USSR) (Russian Federation) - non buildable starting unitDestroyers

UK
Type 45 Destroyer (UK) (UK)Canada
Iroquois class destroyer (Canada) (Canada) - non buildable starting unitRussia
Udaloy class destroyer (USSR) (Russia)
Kara class cruiser (USSR) (Russia) - comparable to a DD in strength - non buildable starting unit
Kashin class destroyer (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
Sovremenny class destroyer (USSR\Russian Federation) (Russia\PRC)India
Kolkata class destroyer (India) (India) - first ship enters service 2010
Delhi class destroyer (India) (India) - non buildable starting unit
Rajput class destroyer (Russia) (India) - non buildable starting unitChina
Type 051C destroyer (PRC) (PRC)
Type 052C destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
Type 052B destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
Type 051B destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
Type 052 destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
Type 051 destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unitFrance + Italy

Horizon class frigate (France\Italy) (France\Italy) - comparable size and power to DD -non buildable starting unit
Tourville class frigate (France) (France) - comparable size and power to DD -non buildable starting unit
Durand de la Penne class destroyer (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unitMexico
Gearing class destroyer (US) (Mexico) - non buildable starting unit
Edsall-class destroyer escort (US) (Mexico) - non buildable starting unitJapan
Atago class destroyer (Japan) (Japan)
Takanami class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Murasame class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Kongō class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Asagiri class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Hatakaze class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Hatsuyuki class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
Shirane class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unitSouth Korea

Gwanggaeto the Great class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea) - non buildable starting unit
Chungmugong Yi Sun-sin class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea)
King Sejong the Great class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea) - first ship commisioned 2008US
Arleigh Burke class destroyer (US) (US)
Zumwalt class destroyer (US) (US) -first and only 2 units laid down in 2008Taiwan
- Kidd class destroyer (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unitMultiple Civs

Type 42 Destroyer (UK) (UK\Argentina) - non buildable starting unit
MEKO 360 (Germany) (Argentina\Nigeria) - non buildable starting unit

Just a thought, how about having normal foot soliders as well?

Sea Units, Carrier (BIg and small maybe), Attack Sub, Nuclear sub (carries missiles), Destroyer (air defence and see subs, but not a bonus against them) , Frigates (anti sub, could be merged with destroyer)

Transport Helicopters could be an option.

Also are you doing unquie units for certain civs, i got a list of equipment for the UK and some of the US's and Russia and bits of other nations (i am currently trying to make a cold war mod from 1945 to now so our mods clash a bit :))

I think the marines are the normal foot soldiers as it stands, but I have added your sea unit suggestions. As for unique info, we'd be very interested in it :)

As for unique info, we'd be very interested in it

I will try and get all the relevant stuff from my files, hopefully i will post it by tomorrow

also just checking but it's all the equipment in operation today or soon to be operational? :)

I think the marines are the normal foot soldiers as it stands,

I meant like consrcipted armies since they generally are much poorer than normal army trained personal (I should have been clearer)

Both today and future equipment would be great. It might be a bit tedious to have a mod that only spans a year in total ;)

As for conscripted soldiers, do you have an example?

P.S. A bit OT, but did you watch the match last night?

Both today and future equipment would be great. It might be a bit tedious to have a mod that only spans a year in total ;)


Would be a bit tedious!

As for conscripted soldiers, do you have an example?

Like Irsael can consricpt during war (not the best example, as their consrcipted arny is well trained) or Germany, who have 9 months mandorary consrciption (except if they go to university i think) and other third world countrys consrcipt to boost their armys. There is a decent list of countries who consrcipt in wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Summary_of_countries))

My thinking is that these soliders would not be effective as marines in combat and therefore shouldn't be given the same stats as Marines, who in most armies are often the most well trained troops (except special forces)
Of course from a modding point of view it might be a pain and not add much to the game.

P.S. A bit OT, but did you watch the match last night?

Yes, a bit harsh on Chelsea but you also kind of knew that Terry would miss, an English defender scoring the winning penalty, yeah like that was going to happen!

Oh I see, I understand now. Kinda like National Service. Added to the OP.

:lol: I know what you mean. Terry looked almost overconfident when he stepped up for that pen, too. Really unfortunate that he slipped, but that's the way it goes. To be honest, Chelsea should have won it before it even got to extra time.

Oh I see, I understand now. Kinda like National Service. Added to the OP.


Excatly like that! :) BTW I am in the process of making models of some modern units as well, so if you want some of them i would be happy to provide them to you. The only problem is is that i can't get them to be animated, they always appear odd when imported into the game with animations :sad:

:lol: I know what you mean. Terry looked almost overconfident when he stepped up for that pen, too. Really unfortunate that he slipped, but that's the way it goes. To be honest, Chelsea should have won it before it even got to extra time.

I think it was actually an even match Man U could have been 3 up by half time and Chelsea could have been 4-1 up by the end of normal time so penalties was probably the fairest outcome for the match,

it was funny watching ITV because for once were not trying to be biased! :lol:

What about mercenaries? Are they going to be a part of this? (go World in Flames!)

Right here some of the info for the UK :) (got quite a lot of information to look through :sad:)


UK
Land Vehicles

MBT Challenger 2 Current numbers 386 Fastest tank off road. Doesn't have as good as fire power as the Amercian M1 Abrams and the Leopard 2 due to a slightly inferior gun, however some Challenger 2's are being upgraded with the same guns as the two tanks mentioned.

IFV: Warrior

Carries 7 soldiers Current numbers 789

Destroyers
Type 42 Destroyers 9 in service (Exeter, Southampton, Liverpool, Nottingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, York and Gloucester)

Primary use is to protect Aircraft Carriers from air attack (Falklands war being the prime example of this use)

Type 45 Destroyers: One in service (HMS Daring, seven more planned to replace the ageing Type 42's

Same roles as the type 42's just much better, they are designed to be stealthy (but they are ugly ships!)

Frigates

Type 22 4 in service in RN (Cumberland, Cornwall, Campbeltown and Chatham)

Desgined to be Anti sub, however have been upgraded to be general purpose

Type 23 13 in service in RN (Norfolk, Lancaster, Argyll, Marlborough, Iron Duke, Monmouth, Montrose, Westminister, Northumberland, Richmond, Somerset, Grafton, Sutherland, Kent, Portlands and St Albans)

Again designed to hunt Soviet Subs, but upgraded to all forms of sea combat

Attack Subs

Trafalgar Class 7 active (Trafalgar, Turbulent, Tireless, Tobay, Trenchant, Talent and Triumph)

Current attack subs of the Royal navy, were built intended to hunt Soviet Subs

Astute Class (Being built, first in 2009)

(Swifture Class has two ships left but not really worth a mention as they will soon be retired)

Replacement of the Trafalgar Class

Nuclear Missile carrier Subs ( for lack of a better name)

Vanguard Class 4 active (Vanguard, Victorious, Vigilant and Vengeance)

Carries Trident missiles, up to 128 warheads.

Aircraft Carriers

Invincible Class 2 active, (Illustrious and Ark Royal)

Designed orginally with the Soviets in mind and Carried more ASW Helicopters, however after the Falklands war typically 9 Sea Harriers and 9 other aircraft can be on board.

It can carry up to 20 aircraft of any kind (due to the Sea Harriers short run way requirement)

Queen Elizabeth Class 2 planned Carries 50 aircraft of any kind (most likely the new American F35B)


Will get more done later today :)

what about transport helicopters, transport planes, and we should add alot more units

I think that several types of cruise missiles should be included(nowadays the greatest threat for warships are surface skimming supersonic cruise missiles with either conventional or nuclear warheads, for example russian Sunburn missiles fly at speed of Mach 2 giving ship only 20-30 seconds to respond) as long as some several stages of their development(like undersonic and supersonic)



Also, I can provide any needed information on Russian/Soviet and Post-Soviet States weaponry and suggest probable units...

I guess I am a minority here but I don't see the sense in having too many slightly different unit types. It makes the game complicated and is no fun for me. That's just something for military masturbators... ;)
Concerning cruise missiles I guess two types would be enough. One basic, very cheap, which could also be used by Barbarians. (Is it possible to produce 2 units per turn in a city? Because I see these basic missiles as so cheap that it would waste a lot of hammers in an advanced city if it can only produce one per turn) And one advanced with larger range. Large enough for North Korea to hit Alaska...

I've just read the Armies thread and i realized that there was one unit i missed in BTS very much it was mobile tactical nuke land carrier. These units should be very costly cause they are more deadly than silo nukes( nobody knows from where they can strike)

Hi, hope you don't mind a newby posting some stuff...

You really have awsome ideas!!!

unfortunately I have only little time, otherwise I would've liked to join your team.

Reason I'm responding here:
1) Missiles:
I like the Idea of Barbarians having low-cost Missiles, but I would not call them cruise-Missile, since I know no Terrorist-group or third world Country that has managed to build a "REAL" Cruise Missile. Think it's better to just call this group "missiles"
that's how I'd like to do it in my mod, Maybe you like the Idea:
-Man launched Missiles: no movement, can only be carried by soldiers, cheap
-Sea Target Missiles, fast, direkt flying, bonus against ships.
-(unguided) Missiles: wider air range, powerful, but high chance of being intercepted, low combat limit, collateral damage
-Cruise Missiles: like we know them, but also wider air range
Promotions for Missiles (can be given from Science Lab or similar in the Missile constructing City)
-accuracy (lower combat and collateral demag limit ,or a new xml tag "accuracy" chance of hiting a square beside the target, but that would probably be a big hack in the SDK)
-advanced range
-improved warhead (cause collateral damage)
(because of better rocket power it is eather able to fly wider or carry more load)
-evasion Probability +15 (by default not set at 100% normal: 65, cruise: 85)
(I think the building should give XP to the rocket, so that it can have ONE promotion, don't know yet how to make this possible)

2) Today's Soldiers
Are you going to change the Infantery System?
I Think it should be adapted to our times!
Since Camouflage is widely used and improved consantly (new invisible class). Or Drones are no future Imagination , they are in use and getting more and more important(either Promotion like the "fireball" in FFH Age of Ice or the "eye", OR creating Drone Units which can be carried by soldiers, or both combined).
And the different Future Infantery Programs become more advanced and already show theire Power in Field-testings or are even partially in use.

Got a system worked out, but not in english, but will translate it anyway since I want to look for help here.

Land Units:
Modern Armor
AFV
New Class, default mechanized infantry, but now counts as armor, not gunpowder
Jet Fighter
Stealth Bomber
Marine
Anti-Tank
SAM
Paratrooper
Conscripted Soldiers

Air Units:
Gunship

Sea Units:
Carrier: Big and small maybe
Attack Sub:
Nuclear sub: Carries missiles
Destroyer: Air defence; can see subs
Frigates: Anti sub; could be merged with destroyer

Other Miscellaneous Units:

Whoa Jet Fighter as a land unit :confused:?

any unique units?

Shall we create a different thread for unique units or shall we post it here?

there is massive variance in the standard of infantry and there capabilities aswell as cost.

it is more expensive\time consuming to train a soldier in the British Army compared to say the Afgan National Army.
Perhaps we can represent this by longer build times\stronger combat odds for a well equipped infantry soldier vs short build times and weak combat odds for troops from 2nd n 3rd world militaries (8 turns vs 3 turns or the like as base rate)?

This will relfect accurately the high expense of training and maintaining a modern and technologically advanced western style military in comparison to the relative inexpensive of poorly trained, mediocrely (is that a word?) equiped armies of many armed forces around the world.

Lots of ideas are here but are all over the place so what do we have so far? I also unique units for America: Abrams Tank

yes the Abrams tank would be a very good choice i think.

Israel's UU should be the Merkava (Desert Warfair Tank) and anouther unit: APC

Unique Unites eh?
UK:
Army
Challenger II MBT
FV510 Warrior AFV
AS-90 155-mm self-propelled howitzer
L118 Light Gun
Rapier FSC SAM
FV101 Scorpion light tank


RAF\Fleet Air Arm\Army Air Corps
Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4
Tornado GR4
BAE Harrier GR9A
Westland WAH-64 Apache
Westland Lynx

Royal Navy\Royal Fleet Auxillary
Type 45 DD
Astute Class SSN
Invincible Class CV upgraded to Queen Elisabeth Class CV in 2014
Trafalgar class SSN
Vanguard Class SSBN
Type 42 DD
Type 23 FF
Albion Class Landins Ship Dock
Ocean Class Landing Ship Helicopter


EU

EU Ground Forces
Leopard II

EU Naval Forces:
Charles De Gaulle Class Nuclear CV supplemented by PA2 (Future French aircraft carrier) possibly
Horizon class Destroyer (although officialy called frigates)
Type 212 submarine
Mistral class amphibious assault ship
Le Triomphant class SSN

EU Airfcraft:
Rafael (Naval Version)
Eurofighter Typhoon

just a start, if the armed forces are going to be of a similiar detail level of those in world 2004

Can we make a spy unit that fights when it gets caught? Like a Ghost Unit.

Can we make a spy unit that fights when it gets caught? Like a Ghost Unit.



how about make it so that if the spy mission fails theres a 50% it will commit suicide to avoid capture, if it suceeds the country you attacked doesnt know who it was and no diplomatic -points?

I was thinking that when a Ghost lands on an enemy tile there would be a 30% chance of getting caught, if it does get caught then it would attack the unit like regular combat.

will the enemy know whos spy unit it is when the battle commences?

50% chance.

sounds like a fair chance.

Air Units

Joint Strike Fighter (this is the generic term for next-gen fighters, not specifically American)
Stealth Bomber
Jet Bomber
Jet Fighter
Helicopter Gunship
Air Transport Vessel - can airlift 4 units

Naval Units

Submarine
Destroyer
Frigate
Aircraft Carrier
Cruiser
Amphibious Assault Vessel (Landing Craft)

Missiles

Missiles should have the ability to sink ships, not damage them. Submarines tend to pose the greatest threat to modern-day navies, due to the prevalence of shallow-water naval operations (and the greater stealth capabilities of modern subs). Missiles can wreak havoc on carrier groups if the submarine is not detected early enough. Thus, Submarines should have the ability to carry Missiles, and use them.

All good ideas :goodjob:

Nukes
How about the Nuclear Arsenal (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=274271) mod?

Air Units

Joint Strike Fighter (this is the generic term for next-gen fighters, not specifically American)
Stealth Bomber
Jet Bomber
Jet Fighter
Helicopter Gunship
Air Transport Vessel - can airlift 4 units

Naval Units

Submarine
Destroyer
Frigate
Aircraft Carrier
Cruiser
Amphibious Assault Vessel (Landing Craft)

Missiles

Missiles should have the ability to sink ships, not damage them. Submarines tend to pose the greatest threat to modern-day navies, due to the prevalence of shallow-water naval operations (and the greater stealth capabilities of modern subs). Missiles can wreak havoc on carrier groups if the submarine is not detected early enough. Thus, Submarines should have the ability to carry Missiles, and use them.


bear in mind there will have to a huuuge variation in the quailty of the various units available. Irans two baic 1970's frigates would be eaten alive by any western naval vessel.

True. I'm just thrwoing those out there as basic unit platforms from which to make Unique Units.

Yes, and for that it seems to work well. Perhaps we could do with a few extra classes, though.

An edited listy with some example classes, the countries are those who researched\originally produced them and may differ from current users:

Air Units
5th Generation Jet Fighter:
- F-35 Lighting II\JCA (US\UK\Italy) (In low level production)
- F-22 Raptor (US) (Only 5th generation in service)

4.5th Generation Jet Fighter
- Eurofighter Typhoon (UK\Germany\Spain\Italy)
- F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (US)
- F-16 Block 50/52 and later models (US)
- Chengdu J-10 (PRC)

4th Generation Jet Fighter
- Panavia Tornado (UK\Germany\Italy)
- JF-17 Thunder (PRC\Pakistan)
- Sukhoi Su-27 (USSR)
- Mikoyan MiG-31 (USSR)
- Dassault Mirage 2000 (France)
- F-16 Fighting Falcon
- F/A-18 Hornet (US)

3rd Generation Jet Fighter (Most likely the most basic types to be seen in the game seen mainly in African countries, they should be non buildable starting units to reflect the fact none of the countries with the capability to build them no longer do so)
- Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/bis 'Fishbed' (USSR)
- Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 'Flogger' (USSR)
- Sukhoi Su-17 'Fitter' (USSR)
- F4 Phantom II (US)
- Northrop F-5 (US)

Stealth Bomber
- B-2 Spirit (US) - ONLY Stealth Bomber in service and with no non US designs even in development, stealth bomber should be a US UU.

Strategic Bombers
- Tupolev Tu-22M (USSR)
- B-52 Stratofortress(US)
- Tupolev Tu-95\Tupolev Tu-142 (USSR)
- General Dynamics F-111 (US)
- Tupolev Tu-160 (USSR\Russian Federation)

Helicopter Gunship

- AH-64 Apache (US) - Westland WAH-64 Apache (UK)
- Eurocopter Tiger (Germany\Austria\French\Spain)
- Kamov Ka-50 (USSR)
- AH-1 Cobra (US)
- Mil Mi-24 (USSR)
- Mil Mi-28 (USSR)

Air Transport Vessel
- Lockheed C-130 Hercules (US) (medium range & 2 unit airlift)
- Airbus A400M (EU) (medium range & 3 unit airlift)
- C-17 Globemaster III (US) (Medium Range & 3 Unit Airlift)
- Lockheed C-5 Galaxy (US) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)
- Antonov An-124 (USSR) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)

i think that the swedish (hope you don't think i'm too patriotic XD ) SAAB JAS 39 Gripen (JAS would be = Jakt (Fighter), Attack, Spaning (Recognizing).

i think that the swedish (hope you don't think i'm too patriotic XD ) SAAB JAS 39 Gripen (JAS would be = Jakt (Fighter), Attack, Spaning (Recognizing).

not being too patriotic, I have left out plenty of aircraft as there are just so many. As I recall sweden is doing a nice little export trade off'f the back of that paticular aircraft.

I think in future I will do the list so it includes manufacturer & current users.

Right, from now on its going to be thus:

Unit (country where built) (current users) - notes


Naval Units

SSN: Attack Submarine (Nuclear-Powered) - some of the most modern ones can carry Cruise Missiles for land attack
- Astute class submarine (UK) (UK) (first boat in commission 2009)
- Trafalger Class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
- Swifture class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
- Virginia class submarine (US) (US)
- Seawolf class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
- Los Angeles class submarine (US) (US) -non buildable starting unit
- Graney class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) (in service 2010)
- Akula class submarine (USSR) (Russia\India) - non buildable starting unit
- Sierra I&II class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
- Victor III class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
- Barracuda class submarine (France) (France) (first boat in commision 2016)
- Rubis class submarine (France) (France) - non buildable starting unit
- Type 093 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
- Type 091 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit

SSBN: Ballistic Missile Submarine (Nuclear-Powered) - Carries 6 SLMBM's
- Vanguard class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
- Ohio class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
- Borei class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) - first commisioned 2008
- Red October Class (USSR) (US) - non buildable starting unit :D :lol:
- Typhoon class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non building starting unit
- Delta III & IV classes (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
- Le Triomphant class submarine (France) (France)
- Type 094 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
- Type 092 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
- Advanced Technology Vessel (India) (India) - commisioned in 2012

SS: Attack Submarine (Diesel-Electric Power) - some of the most modern classes can carry cruise missiles for land attack
- Lada class submarine (Russia) (Russia)
- Kilo class submarine (USSR\Russia) (Russia\Algeria\PRC\India\Indonesia (arriving 09)\Iran\Poland\Romania) - non buildable starting unit
- Romeo class submarine (USSR) (Russia\PRC\Bulgaria\China\Syria\Egypt\ Nrth Korea) - non buildable starting unit
- Foxtrot Class (USSR) (India\
- Type 214 submarine (Germany) (South Korea\Greece (due to commision soon)\Turkey)
- Type 212 submarine (Germany)
- Dolphin class submarine (Germany) (Israel) - non buildable starting unit
Ula class submarine (Germany) (Norway - non buildable starting unit
- Type 209 submarine (all sub classes produced by Germany)
-1500 (Brazil\India\Portugal (in service 2009))
-1400 (Brazil\Chile\South Africa\Turkey)
-1300 (Ecuador)
-1200 (Colombia\Greece\Indonesia\South Korea\Peru\Turkey\Venezula)
-1100 (Argentina\Peru\Greece)
- Type 206 submarine (Germany\Italy) (Germany\Italy)
- Södermanland\Västergötland class submarine (Sweden\Singapore) - non buildable unit
Gotland class submarine (Germany) (Sweden) - non buildable starting unit
- Kobben class submarine (Germany) (Poland) - non buildable starting unit
- Collins class submarine (Australia) (Australia) - non buildable starting unit
- Upholder\Victoria Class Submarine (UK) (Canada) - non buildable starting unit
- Scorpène class submarine (France\Spain\under licence in India) (Chile\India\Malaysia)
- Daphné class submarine (France) (Albacora class Portugal) -Non buildable starting unit
- Agosta 90B class submarine (France) (Spain\Pakistan) - non buildable starting unit
- Tench class submarine (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
- Nahang class submarine (Iran) (Iran)
- Yugo class submarine (Iran) (Iran) - non buildable starting unit
- Sauro class submarine (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unit
- Harushio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Oyashio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - last boat commisioned in 2008
- Walrus class submarine (Netherlands) (Netherlands) - non buildable starting unit
- Hai Lung\ Zwaardvis class submarine (Netherlands) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
- S-80 class Submarine (Spain\UK) (Spain) -in service 2011-2014

bloody hell that took me 2 hours! :eek:

there is an alternative to non buildable thing, for more recent units the player can decide to build more of them however the first unit built of that paticular class will take 5 times the build time what any following unit of the same class would take, this will acurately reflect the real problems and expense of setting up an entire production line\machining parts\r+r & training.

although for all units pre 1990 I feel that they should not be buildable at all, it would be illogical to build 18+ designs if newer ones are available

- Red October Class (USSR) (US) - non buildable starting unit"I am a russhian sshea captain" :lol:

Ah, classic.

You're doing an excellent job. It's really appreciated. :goodjob: I'll update the OPs and add some better formatting to make them easily legible.

There we go. Done. There's just one error I found:

- Foxtrot Class (USSR) (India\

Was the slash meant to be a close bracket or did you not finish the entry?

EDIT: Does anyone want to volunteer to amalgamate sheep's data with Joe's, overnight or tomorrow (i.e. adding the number of units in service)? If not, I'll do it on Thursday.

Naval Units Contd.

Cruisers:
- De Zeven Provinciën class cruiser (Netherlands) (Peru) - non buildable starting unit
- Ticonderoga class Missile cruiser (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
- Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) helicopter cruiser (France) (France) - non buildable starting unit
- Kirov class battlecruiser (USSR) (Russian Federation) - non buildable starting unit

Destroyers:
- Tyep 45 Destroyer (UK) (UK)
- Type 42 Destroyer (UK) (UK\Argentina) - non buildable starting unit
- MEKO 360 (Germany) (Argentina\Nigeria) - non buildable starting unit
- Iroquois class destroyer (Canada) (Canada) - non buildable starting unit
- Udaloy class destroyer (USSR) (Russia)
- Kara class cruiser (USSR) (Russia) - comparable to a DD in strength - non buildable starting unit
- Kashin class destroyer (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
- Sovremenny class destroyer (USSR\Russian Federation) (Russia\PRC)
- Kolkata class destroyer (India) (India) - first ship enters service 2010
- Delhi class destroyer (India) (India) - non buildable starting unit
- Rajput class destroyer (Russia) (India) - non buildable starting unit
- Type 051C destroyer (PRC) (PRC)
- Type 052C destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
- Type 052B destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
- Type 051B destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
- Type 052 destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
- Type 051 destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
- Horizon class frigate (France\Italy) (France\Italy) - comparable size and power to DD -non buildable starting unit
- Tourville class frigate (France) (France) - comparable size and power to DD -non buildable starting unit
- Durand de la Penne class destroyer (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unit
- Gearing class destroyer (US) (Mexico) - non buildable starting unit
- Edsall-class destroyer escort (US) (Mexico) - non buildable starting unit
- Atago class destroyer (Japan) (Japan)
- Takanami class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Murasame class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Kongō class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Asagiri class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Hatakaze class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Hatsuyuki class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Shirane class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
- Gwanggaeto the Great class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea) - non buildable starting unit
- Chungmugong Yi Sun-sin class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea)
- King Sejong the Great class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea) - first ship commisioned 2008
- Arleigh Burke class destroyer (US) (US)
- Zumwalt class destroyer (US) (US) -first and only 2 units laid down in 2008
- Kidd class destroyer (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit

There we go. Done. There's just one error I found:

- Foxtrot Class (USSR) (India\

Was the slash meant to be a close bracket or did you not finish the entry?

EDIT: Does anyone want to volunteer to amalgamate sheep's data with Joe's, overnight or tomorrow (i.e. adding the number of units in service)? If not, I'll do it on Thursday.


yes its meant to be a closed bracket

oops, there is also one in Ukranian service.

so it should read:
-foxtrot class (USSR) (India\Ukraine)

Ah, thanks. Say, do you want to amalgamate the data?

With what? or do you mean into one list?

Well, if you see the first page, he's listed some of the classes with the number of units in operation. Can you merge those into your list? I don't have time to merge them myself right now.

yeah sure, but i dont have the ability to post it on the front page


thanks for tidying up my lists and making them look pretty

btw, added you on msn as jabber isnt working for me, hope you dont mind.

That's absolutely fine. Oh, I think my MSN has changed. Replace the "93" with "_home" and that's my current one.

Naval Forces Contd.
Key: - Class (Country of construction) (current operators) - in service as of 2008- notes
Frigates:
- Espora class frigate (Germany) (Argentina) - 6 - non buildable starting unit
- Adelaide class frigate (US) (Aust) - 4 - non buildable starting unit
- ANZAC class frigate (Aust\NZ) (Aust\NZ) - 8\2 - non buildable starting unit
-Type 053 frigate (PRC) (PRC\Bangladesh\Thailand\Egypt) - 32\1\4\2 -non buildable starting unit
- Type 053H3 frigate (PRC) (PRC) - 14 - non buildable starting unit
- Type 054 frigate (PRC) (PRC) - 6 - non buildable starting unit
- Type 23 frigate (UK) (UK\Chile) - 13\3 - non buildable start unit
- Type 22 frigate (UK) (UK\Brazil\Chile\Romania) - 4\4\1\2 non buildable start unit
- Type 41 frigate (UK) (Bangladesh) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Type 61 Frigate (UK) (Bangladesh) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Leander class frigate (UK\India under licence) (Ecuador\Pakistan\India) - 2\2\3 - non buildable start unit
- DW 2000H Class Frigate (South Korea) (Bangladesh) - 1 - non buildable start unit
- Wielingen class frigate (Belgium) (Bulgaria) - 3 -non buildable starting unit
- Niteroi class frigate (UK) (Brazil) - 7 - non buildable starting unit
- Garcia class frigate (US) (Brazil) - 4 - non buildable starting unit
- Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate (US & under licence in Spain\Taiwan) (US\Turkey\Spain\Taiwan\Poland\Egypt\Bahrain) - 30\8+2 hulks\6\8\2\4\1 - non buildable start unit
- Koni class frigate (USSR) (Algeria\Bulgaria Egypt) - 3\1\2 - non buildable start unit
- Halifax class frigate (Canada) (Canada) - 12 - non buildable start unit
- Karel Doorman class frigate (Netherlands) (Belgium\Chile\Netherlands\Portugal) - 2\2\2\2 - non buildable start unit
- Jacob van Heemskerck class frigate (Netherlands) (Chile) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Almirante Padilla class frigate (Germany) (Thailand) - 4 - non buildable start unit
- Thetis class ocean patrol vessel (Denmark) (Denmark) - 4 - non buildable start unit
- Knox class frigate (US) (Turkey\Mexico\Thailand\Egypt\Taiwan - 12\4\2\2\8 - non buildable start unit
- Floréal class frigate (France) (France\Morroco) - 6\2 - non buildable start unit
- La Fayette class frigate (France\licence built in singapore) (France\Taiwan\Singapore\Saudi Arabia) - 5\6\6\3 -
- Commandant Rivière class frigate (France) (Uruguay) - 3 - non buildable start unit
- Georges Leygues class frigate (France) (France) - 7 - non buildable start unit
- Cassard class frigate (France) (France) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Bremen class frigate (Germany) (Germany) - 8 - non buildable start unit
- Brandenburg class frigate (Germany) (Germany) - 4 - non buildable start unit
- Sachsen class frigate (Germany) (Germany) - 3 -
- Kortenaer class frigate (Netherlands) (Greece\UAE) - 10\2 - non buildable start unit
- Shivalik class frigate (India) (India) - 3 - first commisioned 2008
- Talwar class frigate (Russia) (India) - 3 - 3 more ordered
- Brahmaputra class frigate (India) (India) - 3 - non buildable start unit
- Godavari class frigate (India) (India) - 3 - non buildable start unit
- Tribal class frigate (UK) (Indonesia) - 3 - non buildable start unit
- Van Speijk class frigate (Netherlands) (Indonesia) - 6 - non buildable start unit
- Alvand class frigate (UK) (Iran) - 3 - non buildable start unit
- Moudge class frigate (Iran) (Iran) - 4 - of which 1 is still building
- Lupo class frigate (Italy) (Peru\Venezula\Italy) - 8\6\4 - non buildable start unit
- Maestrale class frigate (Italy) (Italy) - 8 - non buildable starting unit
- Yubari class destroyer escort (Japan) (Japan) - 2 - non buildable starting unit
- Abukuma class destroyer escort (Japan) (Japan) - 6 - non buildable starting unit
- Lekiu class frigate (UK) (Malaysia) - 2 - non buildable starting unit
- Kasturi class frigate (Germany) (Malaysia) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Bronstein class frigate (US) (Mexico) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Descubierta class frigate (Spain) (Spain\Egypt\Morroco) - 5\2\1 - non buildable unit
- De Zeven Provinciën class frigate (Netherlands) (Netherlands) - 4 - non buildable start unit
- Fridtjof Nansen class frigate (Spain) (Norway) - 5 - full complement by 2010
- Soho class frigate (North Korea) (North Korea) - 1 - possiby experimental
- Najin class frigate (North Korea) (North Korea) - 2 - non buildable start unit
- Type 21 frigate (UK) (Pakistan) - 6 - non buildable start unit
- Cannon class destroyer escort (US) (Philippines) - 1 - non buildable start unit
- Vasco da Gama class frigate (Germany) (Portugal) - 3 - non buildable start unit
- Marasesti class frigate (Romania) (Romania) - 1 - non buildable start unit
- Rear-Admiral Eustaţiu Sebastian class frigate (Romania) (Romania) - 2 - classed by NATO as corvettes - non buildable start unit
- Admiral Petre Bărbuneanu class frigate (Romania) (Romania) - 2 - classed by NATO as corvettes - non buildable start unit
- Riga class frigate (USSR) (Bulgaria) - 3 - non buildable start units
- Petya class frigate (USSR) (Vietname\Syria) - 6\2 - non buildable start unit
- Krivak class frigate (USSR) (Russia\Ukraine) - 16\1 - non buildable start unit
- Neustrashimy class frigate (USSR\Russia) (Russia) - 2 - lates Russian Frigate
- Ulsan class frigate (South Korea) (South Korea) - 9 - non buildable start unit
- Álvaro de Bazán class frigate (Spain) (Spain) - 4 - 2 more building
- Tartarstan/Gepard class frigate (Russia) (Russia\Vietnam) - 1\4 - Vietnamese ships on order

. .. .. .. . me im done for the night!

Royal Australian Air Force:
Bomber F-111
Electronic warfare Boeing 737 AEW&C
Fighter F/A-18 Hornet
Patrol AP-3C Orion
Reconnaissance RF-111
Trainer PC-9, Hawk 127, B300
Transport C-130 Hercules, DHC-Caribou, C-17 Globemaster III, Boeing 737, Challenger 600

Royal Australian Navy
Anzac class Frigate- Anti-submarine and anti-aircraft with 1 SH-60 Seahawk

Adelaide class Frigate- Anti-submarine and anti-aircraft frigate with 2 S-70B-2 Seahawk helicopters

Armidale class Patrol boat- Coastal defence and fishery protection

Collins class Submarine- Diesel-electric powered patrol submarines for deep ocean patrols

Kanimbla class LP- troop & helicoper transport (Westland Sea King and UH-60 Black Hawk)

Australian Army
When the reorganisation is complete it is planned that the Army will be able to form battlegroups based around the following formations:

* 1st Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Light infantry Battalion
* 2nd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Light infantry Battalion
* 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Light infantry Battalion
* 5th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Mechanised Infantry Battalion
* 6th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Motorised infantry Battalion
* 7th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Mechanised Infantry Battalion
* 8th/9th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, Motorised Infantry Battalion
* 1st Armoured Regiment, Armoured Regiment
* 2nd Cavalry Regiment, Formation Reconnaissance Regiment
* 2nd/14th Light Horse Regiment, Formation Reconnaissance Regiment
* 1st Aviation Regiment, Attack helicopter Regiment

By the end of this process in approximately 2015, 1 Brigade will be the army's major mechanised formation. In addition, 1st Division/DJHQ will be reduced to three brigades, with 11 Brigade, a wholly Army Reserve formation, being transferred to the 2nd Division. The armoured units of the Army Reserve in 2nd Division will be restructured, with four becoming pure light cavalry and the fifth being utilised in the armoured lift role.

Battle Tank- M1A1 Abrams A.I.M.

NAVAL FORCES Contd.

Key: Ship Class (Builders) (current operators) - No. in service as of 200 - notes

CVN: Multi-purpose Aircraft Carrier (Nuclear-Propulsion) (12 Fighter sized Aircraft +4 helo + 2AWACS)
- Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier (US) (US) - - 1 building, 3 planned, first in service 2015
- Nimitz class aircraft carrier (US) (US) - 9 - 1 more currently building (in service 2009)
- Enterprise Class Aircraft Carrier (US) (US) - 1 - non buildable starting unit
- Charles de Gaulle Class Class Aircraft Carrier (France) (France) - 1 - 6 Fighter+2Helo+AWAC non buildable start unit

CV: Multi-purpose Aircraft Carrier
- Kitty Hawk class aircraft carrier (US) (US) - 1 - 12 Fighter+4Helo+2AWAC non buildable start unit
- Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carrier (UK) (UK) - - 6fighter+2helo+1AWAC 2 ordered, in commision by 2014
- Invincible class aircraft carrier (UK) (UK) - 2 - 4Fighter+2Helo one more of class in mothballs non buildable start unit
Centaur class aircraft carrier (UK) (India) - 1 - 4Fighter+2Helo
- Vikrant class aircraft carrier (India) (India) - - 6Fighter+2Helo first of two due to enter service 2012
- Clemenceau class Aircraft Carrier (France) (Brazil) - 1 - 6Fighter+4Helo non buildable start unit
- Kiev class aircraft carrier (USSR) (India) - - 4Fighter+2Helo (due in service 2012 after heavy rebuild)
- - Cavour Class Aircraft Carrier (Italy) (Italy) - 1 - 4Fighter+2Helo due in service 2008
- Giuseppe Garibaldi Class Aircraft Carrier (Italy) (Italy) - 1 - 2 Fighter+2Helo non buildable start unit
- Admiral Kuznetsov class aircraft carrier (USSR) (Russia) - 1 - 4Fighter+4Helo non buildable start unit
- Príncipe de Asturias class Aircraft Carrier (Spain) (Spain) - 1 - 4Fighter+2Helo non buildable start unit
- Chakri Naruebet class aircraft Carrier (Spain) (Thailand) - 1 - 2Fighter+1Helo worlds smallest CV non buildable start unit
- Hyūga class helicopter destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - 0 - 6Helo first entering service in 2009

carriers done:D

edit: Have not included Future French Carrier as its been suspended and looks like it may well be cancelled by the current goverment

NAVAL FORCES Cont.d
Key:- Ship Class (Builders) (current operators) - No. in service as of 200 -
- Equipment - Cargo Space - notes
Amphibious assault ships:

- Mistral class amphibious assault ship (France) (France) - 2 -
-- 6 Helo+4Landing Craft - 8 Units
- Dokdo class amphibious assault ship (Sth Korea) (Sth Korea) - 1 -
-- 4 Helo+2Landing Craft - 6 Units - 2 more planned.
- Juan Carlos Class amphibious assault ship (Spain) (Spain) - 1 -
-- CV Mode: 4Fighter+2Helo
-- AAS Mode: 4 Helo+4Landing Craft - 8 Units
- Ocean Class amphibious assault ship (UK) (UK) - 1 -
-- 6Helo+4Landing Craft - 8 Units - Infantry only & non buildable start unit
-Wasp class amphibious assault ship (US) (US) - 7 -
-- Upto 8 Air Units+3Landing Craft - 16 Units - 1 more in class due in 2009
- Tarawa class amphibious assault ship (US) (US) - 3 -
-- 8 Helo+ 3 Landing Craft - 16 Units - non buildable start unit


next to come are Amhibious transport docks.

Key:- Ship Class (Builders) (current operators) - No. in service as of 2008 -
- Equipment - Cargo Space - notes

Amphibious transport dock A.K.A- landing platform dock\LPD:

- Type 071 amphibious transport dock (PRC) (PRC) - 1 -
-- 2 Helo+4LandingCraft - 6 Units -
- Foudre class landing platform dock (France) (France) - 2 -
-- 2Helo+4LandingCraft - 8 Units - non buildable starting unit
- Austin class amphibious transport dock (US) (US\India) - 6\1 -
-- 2 Helo+4Landing Craft - 8 Units - non buildable starting unit
- San Giorgio class amphibious transport dock (Italy) (Italy) - 3 -
-- 2Helo+4Landing Craft - 8 Units - non buildable starting unit
- Ōsumi class LST (Japan) (Japan) - 3 -
-- 2 Helo+2Landing Craft - 4 Units - non buildable starting unit
- Rotterdam class amphibious transport dock (Netherlands\Spain) (Netherlands\Spain) - 1\2 -
-- 3 Helo+3LandingCraft - 4 units - non buildable starting unit



to be continued...